Symptom relief

Since we were just listing our many symptoms, and some of mine
have become worse recently, it got me thinking.

A lot of our symptoms, like heart palpitations, etc. are similar/same
as if we were in a panic situation.
(Okay, so our body already knows it is, lol.)

So what part of the nervous system works with that, at least some
of these symptoms seem to originate with the amygdala.

Since we know the brain is inflamed or overcharged from the emf, I looked to see if there are studies showing microwave effect on the brain.
Well, we know it is affecting the whole body, but anyway...

I think someone else posted this Turkish study recently?
http://willthomasonline.net/turkish%20cell%20phone%20study%20confirms%20brain%20impacts.htm

"Repeated elevated levels of "feel good" dopamine in the mood-regulating amygdala means habitual cell phone users need a fix as often as cigarette smokers. But after many calls, lesions and shrinkage in the amygdala makes heavy "users" more anxious, depressed, dumber, forgetful – and aggressive.z"

Lesions, isn't that nice, since CFS/ME/fibro already causes those.

http://www.whale.to/b/mcmurtrey.html  There's a few bits in amongst this page too. I wonder how they know a rat is hallucinating, or just freaking out? lol.

Anyway, I think even though it is not a fix, if we find which supplements damp down the amygdala, it would at least give some more symptom relief, which would be a nice thing.

GABA being one, but I don't know if all the ones we've found previously are all applicable here or not. Other than becoming a bunch of alcoholics; http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/effect/a/blscr040304.htm

There may be others, if someone wants to hunt around for that more?

It does have the NMDA receptors that have been looked at before, though I never checked what all parts of the brain they were in, but I think there has to be something else in this section that could have the transmissions damped down.

~ Snoshoe

 

I would add:

 

The thyroid when under chronic stress (which radiation does effect the
thyroid gland) can and does

cause major anxiety symptoms, of which heart palpitations are one of these
symptoms. The thyroid

regulates the heart rate.

 

And it should be stated, that the thyroid, and the adrenals are major
players in the body's immune system.

Both the thyroid AND the adrenal glands work together. When one of these
glands is under stress, the other

one jumps in to help.

 

When both these glands are left un supported, the following symptoms are
common:

anxiety/ brain fog/ in ability to concentrate/ depression/ low energy/
insomnia/ low blood sugar/ head aches/

 

weight gain (thyroid) weight loss (adrenals) high blood pressure (thyroid)
low blood pressure (adrenals)

hearing problems, vision problems, digestive issues, constipation, dry skin,
puffy skin under eyes, bruises under eyes,

 

exercise fatigues you, and many others. These are all at the beginning of
the spectrum. The end more severe results

are: heart problems, diabetes, fibromaygia, arthritus and almost all
conditons caused from Inflammation,

any neurological conditions (als, ms, ect), leukemia, cancers,

There are studies done on Chernobyl, that showed the rise in Thyroid cancers
due to the nuclear fall out.  The symptoms

for radiation poisoning are eerily similiar, whether its from nuclear fall
out or wireless micro wave radiation.

 

The difference

is: dose/ proximity and duration.

 

Lizzie

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      Since we were just listing our many symptoms, and some of mine

have become worse recently, it got me thinking.



A lot of our symptoms, like heart palpitations, etc. are similar/same

as if we were in a panic situation.

(Okay, so our body already knows it is, lol.)



So what part of the nervous system works with that, at least some

of these symptoms seem to originate with the amygdala.



Since we know the brain is inflamed or overcharged from the emf, I looked to see if there are studies showing microwave effect on the brain.

Well, we know it is affecting the whole body, but anyway...



I think someone else posted this Turkish study recently?

http://willthomasonline.net/turkish%20cell%20phone%20study%20confirms%20brain%20impacts.htm



"Repeated elevated levels of "feel good" dopamine in the mood-regulating amygdala means habitual cell phone users need a fix as often as cigarette smokers. But after many calls, lesions and shrinkage in the amygdala makes heavy "users" more anxious, depressed, dumber, forgetful – and aggressive.z"



Lesions, isn't that nice, since CFS/ME/fibro already causes those.



http://www.whale.to/b/mcmurtrey.html  There's a few bits in amongst this page too. I wonder how they know a rat is hallucinating, or just freaking out? lol.



Anyway, I think even though it is not a fix, if we find which supplements damp down the amygdala, it would at least give some more symptom relief, which would be a nice thing.



GABA being one, but I don't know if all the ones we've found previously are all applicable here or not. Other than becoming a bunch of alcoholics; http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/effect/a/blscr040304.htm



There may be others, if someone wants to hunt around for that more?



It does have the NMDA receptors that have been looked at before, though I never checked what all parts of the brain they were in, but I think there has to be something else in this section that could have the transmissions damped down.



~ Snoshoe





   
     

   
   






       

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On a quick search, I did find something new:

"Antihistamines
A wide range of antihistamines are used to treat dizziness, nausea and vomiting, including dimenhydrinate, meclizine and promethazine. Histamine is a naturally occurring chemical secreted by the immune system's mast cells and basophils in response to "foreign invaders." A histamine release can give rise to an allergic response as well as anxiety, according to a review published in the July 2005 issue of "Drug Development research." Antihistamines are drugs that block the effects of histamine. Dimenhydrinate, meclizine and promethazine competitively block the H1 histamine receptor and has some affinity for the dopamine receptors. By binding to histamine receptors in the vestibular system of the brain, antihistamines can relieve symptoms of motion sickness. As antihistamines have a sedative effect, they are occasionally used to treat insomnia and anxiety."
http://www.livestrong.com/article/220385-medications-that-help-dizziness-caused-by-anxiety/

This says to me, that we could use histidine, yucca, turmeric possibly. I use them as antihistamines, and they are antiinflammatory, I didn't think about trying them for use against
these symptoms specifically.

If you give it a go, post, so we know the effects, on the symptoms.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:

Forgot this part - glycine, same link-
If we have sufficient quantities of serotonin and glycine available in our brain, the shut down is rapid and complete. If we do not have enough, the shut down is slow and partial. In this case, the continual sensations we receive from the outside world are never completely inhibited, and we are left in a perpetual state of low level "fight or flight".

--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:

Yes, you're absolutely correct. :)

--- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote:

Hi Snoeshoe

I experienced what you have written about here for the first time in the 5 years that I have known about being ES - a panic attack/racing heart combo in the middle of the night where I was awake for a good couple of hours in the middle of the night, unable to get back to sleep and aware of being subject to a frequency that was affecting my  body that I could feel and could also hear and also aware of the racing heart and panicy feeling that I objectively knew there was no cause for internal to me - it was the scariest night i have ever had and has left me feeling beyond exhausted. What you say about the amygdala is interesting - a couple of years ago I started to look into a little bit Ashok Gupta's stuff on "amygdala retraining" for ME/CFS - but didn't go much further with it because I didn't know whether it was just another form of "CBT" that Gupta was packaging up with yoga and meditatiion in order to make money. But I defintely believe the amygdala
 has a role to play in all of this sickness. 

Steph


________________________________
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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, 10 September 2012, 1:12
Subject: [eSens] Symptom relief
 

 
Since we were just listing our many symptoms, and some of mine
have become worse recently, it got me thinking.

A lot of our symptoms, like heart palpitations, etc. are similar/same
as if we were in a panic situation.
(Okay, so our body already knows it is, lol.)

So what part of the nervous system works with that, at least some
of these symptoms seem to originate with the amygdala.

Since we know the brain is inflamed or overcharged from the emf, I looked to see if there are studies showing microwave effect on the brain.
Well, we know it is affecting the whole body, but anyway...

I think someone else posted this Turkish study recently?
http://willthomasonline.net/turkish%20cell%20phone%20study%20confirms%20brain%20impacts.htm

"Repeated elevated levels of "feel good" dopamine in the mood-regulating amygdala means habitual cell phone users need a fix as often as cigarette smokers. But after many calls, lesions and shrinkage in the amygdala makes heavy "users" more anxious, depressed, dumber, forgetful – and aggressive.z"

Lesions, isn't that nice, since CFS/ME/fibro already causes those.

http://www.whale.to/b/mcmurtrey.html There's a few bits in amongst this page too. I wonder how they know a rat is hallucinating, or just freaking out? lol.

Anyway, I think even though it is not a fix, if we find which supplements damp down the amygdala, it would at least give some more symptom relief, which would be a nice thing.

GABA being one, but I don't know if all the ones we've found previously are all applicable here or not. Other than becoming a bunch of alcoholics; http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/effect/a/blscr040304.htm

There may be others, if someone wants to hunt around for that more?

It does have the NMDA receptors that have been looked at before, though I never checked what all parts of the brain they were in, but I think there has to be something else in this section that could have the transmissions damped down.

~ Snoshoe


 

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I tried turmeric Snoeshoe - for inflammation - but it seemed to mess up the metals in my body - sort of trying to take them out but didn't get them far enough and the reaction was deeply unpleasant - wonder how I'd get on with yucca??


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Subject: [eSens] Re: Symptom relief
 

 
Forgot this part - glycine, same link-
If we have sufficient quantities of serotonin and glycine available in our brain, the shut down is rapid and complete. If we do not have enough, the shut down is slow and partial. In this case, the continual sensations we receive from the outside world are never completely inhibited, and we are left in a perpetual state of low level "fight or flight".

--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote:

 

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I would also agree - think that was what was happening to me last night - my thyroid is under unbelievable strain and yet each time the doc does a test the results come up with a resounding "normal" - odd that !!! unless their view of normal and my experience of what they consider to be satisfactory and normal are worlds apart!!!!


________________________________
 From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, 10 September 2012, 5:11
Subject: [eSens] Re: Symptom relief
 

 
Yes, you're absolutely correct. :)

--- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote:

 

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On September 14, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I tried turmeric Snoeshoe - for inflammation - but it seemed to mess up
> the metals in my body

Yes, that sort of thing happens with all sorts of things that
are supposed to be good for you -- tumeric, garlic, maca,
spirulina, chlorella, cilantro, probiotics, iodine, etc.  For someone
who is seriously heavy-metal poisoned, consuming more of
these may make you worse than you were before!

Marc

 

Here are my thoughts on
this:

 

It is possible that it may
not be the supplements,

but some mechanism within
the body that is not working right.

 

If one is able to take in
the vital nutrients thru other means,

such as Kelp or Dulse for
Iodine, or other sources of sulfur,

such as: Garlic, Brocolli,
ect....then the body would be getting

the needed
minerals/nutrients it needs.

 

This is important because
for example:

Sulfur in necessary for

tissue repair, and Sulfur
enables the transport of oxygen

across cell
membranes, and oxygen is necessary

for healthy cellular
regeneration.

 

Iodine is another very important and vital mineral.
The thyroid’s job is to make thyroid hormone, which is secreted into the blood
and then carried to every tissue in the body.

That hormone is called thyroxine and
it contains 4 iodine atoms. Without iodine, your body will not function
properly, period.

Thyroid hormone is essential to help each cell in each
tissue and organ to work right. For example, thyroid hormone helps the body use
energy, stay warm, and keep the brain, heart, muscles, and other organs working
as they should.

it helps to regulate moods, preventing cancer (especially in
breasts, ovaries, uterus, prostate and thyroid gland), preventing and treating
fibrocystic breasts in women, helping to regulate blood pressure, helping to
regulate blood sugar and prevent and treat diabetes, and helping to prevent abnormal
cardiac rhythms. [http://content.nejm.org/cgi/content/abstract/332/9/562]

 

From the World Health Organization:

Iodine Deficiency is the world’s most prevalent – yet easily
preventable – cause of brain damage.

 

And from:

iodine.imva.info/index.php/iodine-facts/iodine-and-detoxification/Cached

The toxicity of modern life is impacting iodine levels. It
is well known that the toxic halides, fluoride and bromide, having structure
similar to iodine, can competitively inhibit iodine absorption and binding in
the bodyIodine has the highest atomic weight of all the common halogens
(126.9).

 

Iodine is
the only option when it comes to removing these
toxic haloids from the thyroid and even the pineal gland where fluoride
concentrates, especially when there is a deficiency in iodine in the body.

 

In an age of increasing radioactivity
and toxic poisoning specifically with fluoride[3],
chlorine and bromide, and even mercury, iodine is a necessary mineral to
protect us from harm for immediately these toxic substances will increasingly
flow out of the body in the urine.

 

So in reading the above, you can see how
important it IS to ensure the body is getting the essential and vital minerals
and nutrients it needs, to do its job!

There are many supplements that look
good on the label, that may contain toxic ingredients. So this may be a factor
in the body not tolerating a supplement.

There are four main factors that I
commonly see, that play a role in one’s ability to absorb nutrients.

1.    
Thyroid
is not functioning at par. Thyroid does play  a big role in metabolism, This doesn’t just
mean weight, it also means how the body’s digestion system is working.

 

2.    
Reverse
Polarity- The cells are spinning the wrong way. Nutrients cannot get into the
cells, and toxins cannot get out.

 

3.    
Mercury
Toxicity- Mercury is well known to block the sulfur pathways, and the detox
pathways. This is another big reason why Iodine supplementation is often quite
helpful.

 

4.    
Many
who are sensitive find it much better to take very TINY doses of supplements
and gradually, very slowly increase the doses.

Last thought: It is not wise to just not
take a supplement/mineral and assume your body doesn’t like it, without finding
out the cause and addressing it. Either it’s the supplement form itself, or it’s
the body’s inability to absorb the nutrient. IT pays to find out which one this
is!

In many cases, people find they can
tolerate different forms of the same mineral. For example, my daughter can
tolerate raw garlic, but not the organic sulfur crystals. She can also eat
clean tuna and salmon, but does not do well with the omega 3 salmon capsules.
She is still getting her vital nutrients, we just had to experiment some.

 

Blessings,

Lizzie





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> I tried turmeric Snoeshoe - for inflammation - but it seemed to mess up

> the metals in my body



Yes, that sort of thing happens with all sorts of things that

are supposed to be good for you -- tumeric, garlic, maca,

spirulina, chlorella, cilantro, probiotics, iodine, etc.  For someone

who is seriously heavy-metal poisoned, consuming more of

these may make you worse than you were before!



Marc



   
     

   
   






       

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Well, one has to weigh the good (getting sufficient iodine
and sulfur) versus the bad (heavy metal mobilization
causing more damage).

And if you want better tissue repair and oxygen
transport, you can accomplish this with other
means that taking sulfur.  And if you need
thyroid hormone, you can accomplish this
with other means than taking iodine.

One may need to wait until their heavy metal
problem is no longer an issue before adding
large amounts of iodine or sulfur.

Marc

As stated, I did mention other forms of Iodine, (dulse/ Kelp...also brown seaweed, all as long as they are from clean sources).There are also natural thyroid supplements that do contain Iodine as well.  Obviously, that there are receptor sites all over the body for Iodine, then the body needs Iodine. Particularly in this day and age, with both wireless radiation and fukushima fall out/ nuclear radiation inour environment. And it is no longer found in many soils, which means our foods are lacking in this vital mineral. And as previously stated, the thyroid needs Iodine to manufactor the thyroid hormones.  I also mentioned other forms of sulfur (garlic, brocolli, MS, there are others) My focus is to help the body heal itself. IF the body is missing vital nutrients, this needs to be addressed. I also mentioned very LOW doses.  Lizzie
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      Well, one has to weigh the good (getting sufficient iodine

and sulfur) versus the bad (heavy metal mobilization

causing more damage).



And if you want better tissue repair and oxygen

transport, you can accomplish this with other

means that taking sulfur.  And if you need

thyroid hormone, you can accomplish this

with other means than taking iodine.



One may need to wait until their heavy metal

problem is no longer an issue before adding

large amounts of iodine or sulfur.



Marc



   
     

   
   






       

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Hi Steph
I did order the Gupta Programme. I know that I was happier when I practised it and did the stop stop stop.  unfortunately I didn't stick to it religiously but I hear when ppl do, they see great progress.
 
I can't speak from the standpoint of experience tho.  I know it is money back guarantee but I heard him say also that if it doesn't work in 6 months, then do it for another 6 months.  I'm pretty sure the guarantee is for 6 months tho.  
 
 Maybe someone else on the board can give a more thorough evaluation.  I am not for or against as I am not qualified but having said that, I am not sorry that I ordered and have kept the tapes.
 
Aimee

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From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Symptom relief
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Friday, September 14, 2012, 8:51 AM


Hi Snoeshoe

I experienced what you have written about here for the first time in the 5 years that I have known about being ES - a panic attack/racing heart combo in the middle of the night where I was awake for a good couple of hours in the middle of the night, unable to get back to sleep and aware of being subject to a frequency that was affecting my  body that I could feel and could also hear and also aware of the racing heart and panicy feeling that I objectively knew there was no cause for internal to me - it was the scariest night i have ever had and has left me feeling beyond exhausted. What you say about the amygdala is interesting - a couple of years ago I started to look into a little bit Ashok Gupta's stuff on "amygdala retraining" for ME/CFS - but didn't go much further with it because I didn't know whether it was just another form of "CBT" that Gupta was packaging up with yoga and meditatiion in order to make money. But I defintely believe the amygdala
has a role to play in all of this sickness. 

Steph


________________________________
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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, 10 September 2012, 1:12
Subject: [eSens] Symptom relief


 
Since we were just listing our many symptoms, and some of mine
have become worse recently, it got me thinking.

A lot of our symptoms, like heart palpitations, etc. are similar/same
as if we were in a panic situation.
(Okay, so our body already knows it is, lol.)

So what part of the nervous system works with that, at least some
of these symptoms seem to originate with the amygdala.

Since we know the brain is inflamed or overcharged from the emf, I looked to see if there are studies showing microwave effect on the brain.
Well, we know it is affecting the whole body, but anyway...

I think someone else posted this Turkish study recently?
http://willthomasonline.net/turkish%20cell%20phone%20study%20confirms%20brain%20impacts.htm

"Repeated elevated levels of "feel good" dopamine in the mood-regulating amygdala means habitual cell phone users need a fix as often as cigarette smokers. But after many calls, lesions and shrinkage in the amygdala makes heavy "users" more anxious, depressed, dumber, forgetful – and aggressive.z"

Lesions, isn't that nice, since CFS/ME/fibro already causes those.

http://www.whale.to/b/mcmurtrey.html There's a few bits in amongst this page too. I wonder how they know a rat is hallucinating, or just freaking out? lol.

Anyway, I think even though it is not a fix, if we find which supplements damp down the amygdala, it would at least give some more symptom relief, which would be a nice thing.

GABA being one, but I don't know if all the ones we've found previously are all applicable here or not. Other than becoming a bunch of alcoholics; http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/effect/a/blscr040304.htm

There may be others, if someone wants to hunt around for that more?

It does have the NMDA receptors that have been looked at before, though I never checked what all parts of the brain they were in, but I think there has to be something else in this section that could have the transmissions damped down.

~ Snoshoe




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Well, they both work a little differently. The turmeric helps the body's cortizone receptors to work better, but the yucca provides a natural cortizone the body can use, so it might work better for you.

When I've used it for hayfever, I take 3 1,000mg caps, usually a couple times a day, more if necessary.  Since it's a staple food, I doubt you'd have to worry about any overdose effects.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:
>
> I tried turmeric Snoeshoe - for inflammation - but it seemed to mess up the metals in my body - sort of trying to take them out but didn't get them far enough and the reaction was deeply unpleasant - wonder how I'd get on with yucca??
>
>

Well, they both work a little differently. The turmeric helps the body's cortizone receptors to work better, but the yucca provides a natural cortizone the body can use, so it might work better for you.

When I've used it for hayfever, I take 3 1,000mg caps, usually a couple times a day, more if necessary.  Since it's a staple food, I doubt you'd have to worry about any overdose effects.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:
>
> I tried turmeric Snoeshoe - for inflammation - but it seemed to mess up the metals in my body - sort of trying to take them out but didn't get them far enough and the reaction was deeply unpleasant - wonder how I'd get on with yucca??
>
>

World's apart. "Normal" on medical tests in this country are far lower than Britian I think it is, which is lower than a lot of other places, and low thyroid is also a result of fluoride intake.

I had a physician friend from England, who said the way medicine is practiced here in the US scares her spitless. With good reason I think. :)

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:
>
> I would also agree - think that was what was happening to me last night - my thyroid is under unbelievable strain and yet each time the doc does a test the results come up with a resounding "normal" - odd that !!! unless their view of normal and my experience of what they consider to be satisfactory and normal are worlds apart!!!!
>
>
>

Sorry you had to experience that. It went for 10 days for me, with little break, then has been less, but a surge went through last night again, not nearly as strong though.

Here's a weird thing about it though, twice, that I recall, it was like there was some sort of waffleweave grid that was over or under me, that was the pattern of the vibration, or something like that. I don't quite know what to make of it, except it was related to whatever it was.

An acquaintence's husband was having trouble sleeping and nightmares during this same time also, though he is not ES.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Snoeshoe
>
> I experienced what you have written about here for the first time in the 5 years that I have known about being ES - a panic attack/racing heart combo in the middle of the night where I was awake for a good couple of hours in the middle of the night, unable to get back to sleep and aware of being subject to a frequency that was affecting my  body that I could feel and could also hear and also aware of the racing heart and panicy feeling that I objectively knew there was no cause for internal to me - it was the scariest night i have ever had and has left me feeling beyond exhausted. What you say about the amygdala is interesting - a couple of years ago I started to look into a little bit Ashok Gupta's stuff on "amygdala retraining" for ME/CFS - but didn't go much further with it because I didn't know whether it was just another form of "CBT" that Gupta was packaging up with yoga and meditatiion in order to make money. But I defintely believe the amygdala
>  has a role to play in all of this sickness. 
>
> Steph
>
>

Oh yeah, and on the amygdala. I can't believe I hadn't looked this up before, that I can remember anyway, but there are NMDA receptors in 50% of the brain at least, so there is a lot of room for turning this stuff down, though I don't consider it a fix, but a relief.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote:
>
> Hi Snoeshoe
>
> I experienced what you have written about here for the first time in the 5 years that I have known about being ES - a panic attack/racing heart combo in the middle of the night where I was awake for a good couple of hours in the middle of the night, unable to get back to sleep and aware of being subject to a frequency that was affecting my  body that I could feel and could also hear and also aware of the racing heart and panicy feeling that I objectively knew there was no cause for internal to me - it was the scariest night i have ever had and has left me feeling beyond exhausted. What you say about the amygdala is interesting - a couple of years ago I started to look into a little bit Ashok Gupta's stuff on "amygdala retraining" for ME/CFS - but didn't go much further with it because I didn't know whether it was just another form of "CBT" that Gupta was packaging up with yoga and meditatiion in order to make money. But I defintely believe the amygdala
>  has a role to play in all of this sickness. 
>
> Steph
>
>

I get the same most nights approx 3am - I try to change bed location or  
orientation which sometimes helps. Just depends wether its your turn to get  a
dose of satellite radiation... of course that's just a conspiracy  theory.
 
 
In a message dated 15/09/2012 02:18:40 GMT Daylight Time,  
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Sorry you had to experience that. It went for 10 days for me, with little  
break, then has been less, but a surge went through last night again, not  
nearly as strong though.

Here's a weird thing about it though, twice,  that I recall, it was like
there was some sort of waffleweave grid that was  over or under me, that was
the pattern of the vibration, or something like  that. I don't quite know
what to make of it, except it was related to whatever  it was.

An acquaintence's husband was having trouble sleeping and  nightmares
during this same time also, though he is not ES.

~  Snoshoe

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , Stephanie  
Smith <reader41@...> wrote:
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> Hi Snoeshoe
>
>  I experienced what you have written about here for the first time in the
5  years that I have known about being ES - a panic attack/racing heart
combo in  the middle of the night where I was awake for a good couple of hours
in the  middle of the night, unable to get back to sleep and aware of being
subject to  a frequency that was affecting my  body that I could feel and
could also  hear and also aware of the racing heart and panicy feeling that I
objectively  knew there was no cause for internal to me - it was the
scariest night i have  ever had and has left me feeling beyond exhausted. What you
say about the  amygdala is interesting - a couple of years ago I started to
look into a  little bit Ashok Gupta's stuff on "amygdala retraining" for
ME/CFS - but  didn't go much further with it because I didn't know whether it
was just  another form of "CBT" that Gupta was packaging up with yoga and
meditatiion in  order to make money. But I defintely believe the amygdala
> has a role  to play in all of this sickness.Â
>
> Steph
>  
>






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3am huh. That's been going on for some months for me too now, like something gets turned on and it wakes me up, which didn't use to happen at that time.

A friend's mom, ?other state, also now gets woken up at 3am, but to her it feels like something gets turned off, wherever she is.

Only logging meters will be able to tell us what is what I think, and you need about a hundred to catch it in all it's various modes.G

Glad it's not just me anyway, though it never is. :)

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>
> I get the same most nights approx 3am - I try to change bed location or  
> orientation which sometimes helps. Just depends wether its your turn to get  a
> dose of satellite radiation... of course that's just a conspiracy  theory.
>  
>