Stetzer filters

Hi folks,

Installed the Stetzer filters in our place on Friday and continued
to tweak things through yesterday afternoon. Have 20 filters total
installed. We also have 2 Quantum Powerstrips and a Quantum
Pro plugged in the home office, where all our computer
equipment lives. (The Quantum products were installed before
the Stetzer filters.)

My first impression of the Stetzer filters is good. I've been feeling
noticeably better since before the filters came (ever since I
stopped frying myself on an ungrounded computer) but in the
past two days I feel like I've had more energy than usual. Small
things that have seemed exhausting or overwhelming for over a
year (making the bed, doing the dishes), have felt surprisingly
manageable. Today I even tackled bigger chores, like moving
boxes full of books (on stairs!), and rearranging furniture. (Small
tables, but still...)

As some of you know, my husband is very ES and has been
doing poorly for a long time. His reaction to the Stetzer filters was
not the same as mine (no dramatic bursts of activity) but he
tentatively observed that the filters seem to have a "cooling" effect
on our electrical environment. I should explain that my husband
has long felt that our general neighborhood has a very hot
ambient energy, and that our building is particularly "hot." He ran
some errands today and when he returned home he said our
apartment now feels cooler (energy wise) than the outside.

We are intrigued by what we're experiencing with the filters so far
and plan to order and install more meters, especially in the
home office. Right now we're seeing readings of about 25 on the
Stetzer microsurge meter, which is apparently "good" but my
husband wants to get the readings lower yet. I'm curious about
whether he'll feel greater benefit with more filters installed, or
whether the benefit stops at a certain point/number of filters.
Does anyone here know?

Incidentally, we live in a smallish place -- just under 1000 square
feet -- and we needed every one of the 20 filters we ordered to
achieve the recommended readings.

~ Cara

> We are intrigued by what we're experiencing with the filters so far
> and plan to order and install more meters, especially in the
> home office. Right now we're seeing readings of about 25 on the
> Stetzer microsurge meter

Thanks for that report Cara!

What kind of readings were you getting before installing the
filters?

from what I've read, it seems like most of the benefit is
in getting the readings below 40. I'm not sure how much
additional benefit there would be in getting readings
below 25.

Marc

Hi all,

I'm wondering if anyone here had a drop in ES symptoms from
taking omega-3 fatty acids? Years ago I was taking a lot
of flax oil, but didn't really notice any improvement in
ES symptoms from it. But lately, I've been experimenting
with Krill Oil and Cod Liver Oil, and have noticed a reduced
need for EMF protection devices. I don't know if this
is due to omega-3 fatty acids, or some other aspect
of these supplements...

I know that the omega-6 fatty acid GLA has been helpful
(evening primrose oil, borage oil), but I think this
is the first time I've seriously looked at the omega-3
fatty acids DHA and EPA (in the Krill and Cod oils).

(note that Krill should not be used by people allergic
to shrimp)

Marc

Hi Marc,

Here's a sampling of the readings we got before installing the
filters: 250 in the bedroom, 338 in the home office, 140 in the
living room, 285 in the kitchen, 181 in the bathroom. I have no
idea whether these numbers are typical or not. What sort of
readings have other list members taken?

And, of course, the readings seem to vary somewhat from day to
day and over the course of a single day. My husband also
noticed a difference when I turned off the Quantum Pro a day
after installing the filters -- he said it felt like the filters weren't
working as well. The environment felt "hotter" to him. I turned the  
Quantum Pro back on.

For the record turning the Quantum Pro on or off, or calibrating it
differently, didn't affect the Stetzer meter readings.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:

> What kind of readings were you getting before installing the
> filters?

I have stacked the fliters on a Quantum Powerstrip to not overload the
stetzer filter with good results.
I think you will need to discover what level is right for you. Under 10
is good for me.
good luck.
Andrew

On Oct 16, 2005, at 11:42 PM, Cara wrote:

These are high readings. No wonder you guys felt hot.
Andrew
On Oct 17, 2005, at 2:08 AM, Cara wrote:

As I always say: *I am learning everyday!*

I learned another lesson.
Last week I had to investigate a house.
My Stetzerizer meter went over the 1, that means more than 2000 GS units.
(A filter brought it back to 121)
I was too late to find that out.

Several of my other meters went awol.
Even my water ppm meter gave the impression, that the batteries were
insufficient, but the other day, they were perfect in order.
My ionen meter looked, like he was totally out of order, and needed repair.
The other day, he was fine again.
Only my meter for measuring Radon gas refused to accept input as well as
output.
I had the send it to the manufacturer for repairs.

So, one can imagine, that when those high frequencies (in the VLF region)
can manipulate my meters, real persons can be damaged also.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Andrew McAfee" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, October 17, 2005 14:40
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Stetzer filters

> Here's a sampling of the readings we got before installing the
> filters: 250 in the bedroom, 338 in the home office, 140 in the
> living room, 285 in the kitchen, 181 in the bathroom. I have no
> idea whether these numbers are typical or not. What sort of
> readings have other list members taken?

Those numbers are higher than at my house. If I have the TV,
computer, stereo, etc. turned off, I can get readings of about
50. Turning these things on brings it up to 150+. Although
I've had isolated occurances where I've noted 300+ readings,
the source must have been temporary and outside of my house,
as it was back down the next day.

Marc

Hi Andrew,

How many filters did you need and in what size space to achieve
readings under 10? And, may I ask whether you experienced
gradations of benefit --e.g. did you feel some benefit at 25, then
more benefit as the numbers got lower yet? Or, did you simply
keep adding filters until you felt them working, and the magic
number for you turned out to be 10?

Just curious.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee
<amcafeerr@n...> wrote:
>
> I have stacked the fliters on a Quantum Powerstrip to not
overload the
> stetzer filter with good results.
> I think you will need to discover what level is right for you.
Under 10
> is good for me.
> good luck.
> Andrew
>
> On Oct 16, 2005, at 11:42 PM, Cara wrote:
>
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > Installed the Stetzer filters in our place on Friday and
continued
> > to tweak things through yesterday afternoon. Have 20 filters
total
> > installed. We also have 2 Quantum Powerstrips and a
Quantum
> > Pro plugged in the home office, where all our computer
> > equipment lives. (The Quantum products were installed
before
> > the Stetzer filters.)
> >
> > My first impression of the Stetzer filters is good. I've been
feeling
> > noticeably better since before the filters came (ever since I
> > stopped frying myself on an ungrounded computer) but in the
> > past two days I feel like I've had more energy than usual.
Small
> > things that have seemed exhausting or overwhelming for
over a
> > year (making the bed, doing the dishes), have felt
surprisingly
> > manageable. Today I even tackled bigger chores, like moving
> > boxes full of books (on stairs!), and rearranging furniture.
(Small
> > tables, but still...)
> >
> > As some of you know, my husband is very ES and has been
> > doing poorly for a long time. His reaction to the Stetzer filters
was
> > not the same as mine (no dramatic bursts of activity) but he
> > tentatively observed that the filters seem to have a "cooling"
effect
> > on our electrical environment. I should explain that my
husband
> > has long felt that our general neighborhood has a very hot
> > ambient energy, and that our building is particularly "hot." He
ran
> > some errands today and when he returned home he said our
> > apartment now feels cooler (energy wise) than the outside.
> >
> > We are intrigued by what we're experiencing with the filters
so far
> > and plan to order and install more meters, especially in the
> > home office. Right now we're seeing readings of about 25 on
the
> > Stetzer microsurge meter, which is apparently "good" but my
> > husband wants to get the readings lower yet. I'm curious
about
> > whether he'll feel greater benefit with more filters installed, or
> > whether the benefit stops at a certain point/number of filters.
> > Does anyone here know?
> >
> > Incidentally, we live in a smallish place -- just under 1000
square
> > feet -- and we needed every one of the 20 filters we ordered
to

> Those numbers are higher than at my house.

Also note that in the office building I work at, which
has florescent lights, computers, wireless Internet,
etc., the Stetzer meter reads 100-150.

Marc

Sorry if I've missed a previous post in which you answered this
question, Marc. I'm wondering if you've felt any benefit from using
the Stetzer filters either at home or at work? How many filters did
you use, and at what reading did you seem to feel a benefit?

from what we can tell, I am feeling more benefit from 20 filters
than my husband, whose ES is much more severe than mine.
My husband thinks more filters may give him more relief, so
we're going to try that. What I am now considering is how many
additional filters to invest in (the price does add up) to get the
readings even lower, and how low we might aim for. So I'm
curious about the range of tolerance/benefit among the ES
group. Andrew just mentioned that he likes to keep his readings
at about 10.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...>
wrote:
>
> > Those numbers are higher than at my house.
>
> Also note that in the office building I work at, which
> has florescent lights, computers, wireless Internet,
> etc., the Stetzer meter reads 100-150.
>
> Marc
>

> Sorry if I've missed a previous post in which you answered this
> question, Marc. I'm wondering if you've felt any benefit from using
> the Stetzer filters either at home or at work? How many filters did
> you use, and at what reading did you seem to feel a benefit?

My experience with the Stetzer stuff is this -- I purchased a meter
and ONE filter. I measured the house to see what the readings were,
and found that plugging the one filter in reduced the reading. However,
I also got a sharp pain in my head almost immediately, which matched
my experience with other capacitor-based EMI shunt filters that I
had tried in the past. So I figured if one filter was going to
cause me such problems, that I was not going to spend $500 on a
set of twenty.

Also, by the time I tried the Stetzer filters, I felt that I already
had an acceptable solutions with what I was already doing, so
I didn't have sufficient motivation to pursue what seemed to
be an expensive and not-very-portable solution.

> From what we can tell, I am feeling more benefit from 20 filters
> than my husband, whose ES is much more severe than mine.
> My husband thinks more filters may give him more relief, so
> we're going to try that. What I am now considering is how many
> additional filters to invest in (the price does add up) to get the
> readings even lower, and how low we might aim for.

In my opinion, if you've already got the readings down to 25,
then you've already got a home environment that is better than
average (at least in terms of the frequencies that the Stetzer
filters deal with), and you might be better off trying something
else altogether than "more of the same". I find that doing
a little of various things is far more effective than doing
a lot of one thing.

Marc

> In my opinion, if you've already got the readings down to 25,
> then you've already got a home environment that is better than
> average (at least in terms of the frequencies that the Stetzer
> filters deal with), and you might be better off trying something
> else altogether than "more of the same". I find that doing
> a little of various things is far more effective than doing
> a lot of one thing.

Note also that in addition to adding more Stetzer filters, you
could also try a stronger item from Quantum Products. For
example, the Quantum Super Pro is 5 times stronger than the
Quantum Pro, plus uses an antenna to broadcast coherence
throughout the air:

http://advancedliving.com/item531026.ctlg

However, this is NOT the route that I would personally take.
I would instead focus on that dental infection, plus
diet and supplements (with an emphasis of healthy fats
to help rebuild the nervous system), and possible some
other less expensive (and portable) EMF protection option.

Marc

Thanks Marc. I agree about doing lots of things--the dental
infection/amalgam issue is definitely part of the plan.
Appointments have been made with the right dentist -- but these
guys book up far in advance.

I did listen to your earlier suggestion and have stocked up on
guacamole and avocados; we'll be scarfing them at every
opportunity. Also olive oil and cod liver oil (capsules). I'll let you
know what we think of the cod liver oil after we've been on it a
while.

We are keeping our Quantum Pro at a low setting now so we
probably don't need to upgrade to a more powerful device. We
remain uncertain about the Springlife Polarizer; thought we saw
slight benefit early on, but not conclusively. I think it's time to test
it again.

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...>
wrote:
>
> > In my opinion, if you've already got the readings down to 25,
> > then you've already got a home environment that is better
than

> I did listen to your earlier suggestion and have stocked up on
> guacamole and avocados; we'll be scarfing them at every
> opportunity. Also olive oil and cod liver oil (capsules). I'll let you
> know what we think of the cod liver oil after we've been on it a
> while.

I'm also using the capsules for cod liver oil. The label
says that it has been "molecularly distilled" to remove
any mercury... I imagine cod liver oil contaminated with
mercury would do more harm than good. Also, I was surprised
to note that my first capsule of Krill Oil provoked a mercury
chelation reaction, which is something I've never observed
before with advocados, olive oil, flax oil, etc. This has
now subsided, although there does seem to be a negative
side effect from the bioflavenoids in the Krill Oil that
I'm countering with Cellfood (for some reason bioflavenoids
make me oxygen-starved)

> We remain uncertain about the Springlife Polarizer; thought we saw
> slight benefit early on, but not conclusively. I think it's
> time to test it again.

My experience has been that if something helps, it's usually
pretty obvious within 24 hours. Of course, its also my
experience that when you make a change (like adding those
Stetzer filters), something that didn't work previously
may start working (or something that did work previously
is now too much)

Marc

"My experience has been that if something helps, it's usually
pretty obvious within 24 hours"

That's my theory too!!

J




--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
>
> > I did listen to your earlier suggestion and have stocked up on
> > guacamole and avocados; we'll be scarfing them at every
> > opportunity. Also olive oil and cod liver oil (capsules). I'll
let you saw

I've been taking fish oil capsules for the last couple of years with
310mg EPA and 210mg DHA. I was severely deficient in a number of
things when i first took them so did notice an initial improvement in
brain functioning, but i've found that - as with all supplements - i
can only take small/infrequent doses otherwise i get sore
guts/symptoms of overdose (folic acid is the worst for me, and i
found out in a blood test that my folate is very high anyway). I can
only manage 1 capsule every other day or so. I keep taking it so as
not to become deficient, rather than because it has an amazing affect
on my ES symptoms!

There's a guy on a psoriasis forum i'm a member of who swears that
the EPA in fish oil is the key thing for him and the more you can get
of it the better. He gets something called MorEPA.

yet another thing to play around with!! :)

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:

--- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@t...> wrote:

It took about a week after installing my stetzer filters before I
began to notice that I was sleeping much deeper and longer.  
Unfortunately, the effect didn't last all that long. Also, put the
quantum pro onto a circuit that has most of your electrical stuff on
it as well. Always put a stetzer filter into every power strip. I
was getting readings on my power strips up to 2000 before putting a
filter on them. Other things that I have done that have helped. I
put all my receivers (I have 6 satellite dishes) into a bedroom that
I do not use much. I built a faraday cage around the receivers and
hooked up remote extenders. I have also had good success with
metallic fabric around 51 percent metallic. They work good if you
ground them to a ground rod. I have these two faraday cages and
metallic fabric hanging from the wall on the other side of the room
with the faraday cage as well as the fabric covering the wall with
the electrical box. These things all pull electricity out of the
house. Installing more filters may not necessarily reduce the number
even further. I seem to have gotten the number down as low as I can
get it. Installing more filters didn't help. You just have to keep
observing with that meter the effect of putting in more filters. I
have one outlet very close to the electric box that has one of those
trees that you can plug three filters into at once. This only
lowered the readings on other outlets on that circuit by one or two
points. But to me that is worth it. Installing more filters into
outlets may actually cause the number to rise a point or two in other
outlets on the same circuit. If this happens you don't want to put a
filter into that outlet.
a

Quaixemen, how long did you feel that you were sleeping deeper
and longer from having the filters installed? And do you have any
theory about why this effect didn't last for you? Also, have others
on the list had a similar experience--that the subjective benefit
goes away after some time?

Cara

--- In [hidden email], "quaixemen" <straitguy@s...>
wrote:

>
> It took about a week after installing my stetzer filters before I
> began to notice that I was sleeping much deeper and longer.  
> Unfortunately, the effect didn't last all that long.  

> Quaixemen, how long did you feel that you were sleeping deeper
> and longer from having the filters installed? And do you have any
> theory about why this effect didn't last for you? Also, have others
> on the list had a similar experience--that the subjective benefit
> goes away after some time?

I've had this happen to me on several occasions... when trying out
something new, I may find a large improvement initially, but
after a while it's back to the same old problems. Whenever
this happens, I just realize that this new thing *was* helpful,
but not a complete solution. It may turn out to be part of a
complete solution, though...

My own personal theory about why this happens has to do with
the liver and detoxification rates. Basically, I think
chronically ill people are detoxifying at about a fast a rate
they can, which is below the rate of a normal person. If
you can find something which enables you to detoxifying
at a higher rate, then you initially feel great, because
your body is still detoxing at the lower rate. After awhile,
your body starts detoxing at your liver's new (higher)
capacity, so you start feeling bad again.

But again, this is my own personal theory... :-)

Marc