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I have been experiencing the exact same phenomenon recently with my
whole bed/sleeping saga. first i switched off the electricity at night and slept really deeply for about a week with no pain in my spine, then started to get the fluttery tummy so... earthed my mattress, and again felt much better for a few nights before the fluttery tummy came back, so.... got a foam mattress...swiftly followed by removing metal from the base, and slept like a baby for about 5 nights in a row...then the night before last and last night sleeping badly again, fluttery tummy has gone, instead just this impenetrable alertness and waking after a couple of hours sleep or just feeling that i haven't slept deeply. If i don't sleep right through for at least 6 hours, my day is a complete right off until at least 1pm. --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote: > > > Quaixemen, how long did you feel that you were sleeping deeper > > and longer from having the filters installed? And do you have any > > theory about why this effect didn't last for you? Also, have others > > on the list had a similar experience--that the subjective benefit > > goes away after some time? > > I've had this happen to me on several occasions... when trying out > something new, I may find a large improvement initially, but > after a while it's back to the same old problems. Whenever > this happens, I just realize that this new thing *was* helpful, > but not a complete solution. It may turn out to be part of a > complete solution, though... > > My own personal theory about why this happens has to do with > the liver and detoxification rates. Basically, I think > chronically ill people are detoxifying at about a fast a rate > they can, which is below the rate of a normal person. If > you can find something which enables you to detoxifying > at a higher rate, then you initially feel great, because > your body is still detoxing at the lower rate. After awhile, > your body starts detoxing at your liver's new (higher) > capacity, so you start feeling bad again. > > But again, this is my own personal theory... :-) > > Marc > |
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Hi Marc,
It seems that your enzymatic conversion of the main Omega-3/Omega-6 EFA's to the super unsaturated EPA/DHA/GLA derivatives are somehow compromised. This could be because of a lack of certain vitamin/mineral co-factors necessary for the conversion. Another modern factor is trans fatty acids, they also block the conversion steps. I personally believe that heavy exposure to ELF/EMFs could also play a part in blocking the EFA conversion...Just make sure you get both the main EFA's and the derivatives. Cheers, ~ Ole --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > I'm wondering if anyone here had a drop in ES symptoms from > taking omega-3 fatty acids? Years ago I was taking a lot > of flax oil, but didn't really notice any improvement in > ES symptoms from it. But lately, I've been experimenting > with Krill Oil and Cod Liver Oil, and have noticed a reduced > need for EMF protection devices. I don't know if this > is due to omega-3 fatty acids, or some other aspect > of these supplements... > > I know that the omega-6 fatty acid GLA has been helpful > (evening primrose oil, borage oil), but I think this > is the first time I've seriously looked at the omega-3 > fatty acids DHA and EPA (in the Krill and Cod oils). > > (note that Krill should not be used by people allergic > to shrimp) > > Marc > |
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> It seems that your enzymatic conversion of the main Omega-3/Omega-6
> EFA's to the super unsaturated EPA/DHA/GLA derivatives are somehow > compromised. Yes, I think this is true. What baffles me is why it took me 5 years to figure this out! When I think about all the money I've wasted on flax seed oil, when it could have better been spent on fish oil/cod liver oil/krill oil/DHA from algae, etc... (sigh) Also, I think the lecithin/choline/inosital/phosphatidylcholine/egg yolks experimentation is looking promising as well. This could be two breakthrough areas (for me) found almost at the same time! My impression is that this is "erasing" the rings under my eyes -- rings that I've had for decades! Marc |
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OK, sounds promising! The EPA/DHA deficiency never came up in all of
the testing you did with various practitioners? I daily use a personalized combination of either Udo's Choice/Borage oil capsules or Barleans Omega Twin as well as highest grade lecithin granules and of course fish oil to get a full spectrum of all EFA nutrients. Ole |
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> OK, sounds promising! The EPA/DHA deficiency never came up in all of
> the testing you did with various practitioners? Via EAV testing, essential fatty acid deficiency has shown up repeatedly, but usually my meridians balance out with either evening primrose oil or flax oil. But no, I can't recall any practioner testing me on fish oil (!) The idea that I was not properly converting these fatty acids to DHA/EPA is something that I wondered about a month or two ago, and as a result I purchased a bottle of "Super-EFF" from Standard Process, which is a supplement specifically designed for people having problems doing this conversion. When I took it in for EAV testing, I of course tested positive for it. :-) In my experimentation so far, I've noted a wide range of reactions to the various omega-3 supplements I've tried: flax oil (ALA): virtually no reaction, although with longterm use I seemed to have fewer allergies chia seeds (ALS): huge reaction to even tiny amounts -- ES symptoms reduced, but also hyperactive. Had to to stop due to agitation/anxiety/panic attacks. Super-EFF (?): EAV tested well, although I didn't notice any impact on ES symptoms. cod liver oil (EPA/DHA): need to limit to tiny doses due to a feeling of anxiety. Does seem to improve energy levels at tiny doses. krill oil (EPA/DHA): have to cut back my Springlife Polarizers when using this, otherwise a feeling of anxiety. Definitely help energy levels and ES symptoms. However, causes a feeling of lack of oxygen, which I have successfully countered with oxygen supplements (Cellfood) DHA extracted from algae (DHA): too soon to tell... have only just tried this today! Since most of these supplements are pretty new to me, it's going to take a while to reach any conclusions. Note that prior to my obsession with omega-3 fatty acids, I was taking a daily dose of coconut oil. This had a terrible side effect for me -- it made my legs so week that walking was becoming a problem. Stopping the coconut oil and switching to Super-EFF brought my leg strength back to normal. Marc |
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> flax oil (ALA): virtually no reaction, although with longterm
> use I seemed to have fewer allergies > > chia seeds (ALS): huge reaction to even tiny amounts -- ES > symptoms reduced, but also hyperactive. Had to > to stop due to agitation/anxiety/panic attacks. Oh! Sorry for the typo -- chia seeds is supposed to have ALA (not ALS) as well. Supposedly in studies with chickens where they were trying to produce eggs high in omega-3, chia seeds worked much better than flax. So people aren't the only ones who have difficulty converting flax... :-) I did indeed like the effects on ES that chia seeds had, but I couldn't take the side effects. Marc |
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Hi,
Got a just in time delivery in from Canada, with all kind of good stuff. Was a bit of a close call, there.. The Himalayan salt rocks take the cake. Since I have been losing my tachyon tools pretty much one after the next (what's up with that??) They offer protection against the "psychic attack" or reaction to certain people (depending on my strenght it appears like one or the other) I have been experiencing lately. Damage to chakra's seems to be restored/balanced rather quickly. Using it behind and in my ears really pulls out this energy i have been pulling out// Goldenseal came in handy again as well and for the other products it is a little soon to know.. Love, Ellen Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: > flax oil (ALA): virtually no reaction, although with longterm > use I seemed to have fewer allergies > > chia seeds (ALS): huge reaction to even tiny amounts -- ES > symptoms reduced, but also hyperactive. Had to > to stop due to agitation/anxiety/panic attacks. Oh! Sorry for the typo -- chia seeds is supposed to have ALA (not ALS) as well. Supposedly in studies with chickens where they were trying to produce eggs high in omega-3, chia seeds worked much better than flax. So people aren't the only ones who have difficulty converting flax... :-) I did indeed like the effects on ES that chia seeds had, but I couldn't take the side effects. Marc SPONSORED LINKS Health and wellness Health wellness product Health and wellness program Health promotion and wellness Health and wellness promotion Business health wellness --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Marc, please keep us posted on your results with Super-EFF. I'm
interested. We recently started on cod liver oil too and I was struck by your observation about anxiety side effects. Both my husband and I have experienced higher-than-average anxiety levels in the past few evenings (not necessarily at the same time), but I hadn't thought to look for a possible connection to the cod liver oil. I'll play around with dosage and see what happens. I was just on the verge of starting us on coconut oil too, so your comment about leg weakness is appreciated too. With everything going on it's not always easy to spot the correlations. This reminds me to watch for odd reactions. Cara --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote: > > The idea that I was not properly converting these fatty acids > to DHA/EPA is something that I wondered about a month or two > ago, and as a result I purchased a bottle of "Super-EFF" from > Standard Process, which is a supplement specifically designed > for people having problems doing this conversion. > Super-EFF (?): EAV tested well, although I didn't notice > any impact on ES symptoms. > > cod liver oil (EPA/DHA): need to limit to tiny doses > due to a feeling of anxiety. Does seem to improve > energy levels at tiny doses. > > krill oil (EPA/DHA): have to cut back my Springlife Polarizers > when using this, otherwise a feeling of anxiety. > Definitely help energy levels and ES symptoms. > causes a feeling of lack of oxygen, which I have > successfully countered with oxygen supplements (Cellfood) > |
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> Marc, please keep us posted on your results with Super-EFF. I'm
> interested. My feeling so far is that the Super-EFF is good for the leg weakness, but not so good for ES. But everything at this point is preliminary (other than adverse reactions, that is!) I can judge how effective each supplement is for my ES by determining how well I'm doing about 5 hours into work. Usually I have to adjust my devices at that point. If I don't, then I know that the supplements are helping. That said, do you know what my latest experimentation has shown to be the most effective for my work ES symptoms? Raw egg yolk from organic eggs! I was originally doing this as a food form of lecithin, but this seems to work well for my ES symptoms. Of course, I think these have essentially fatty acids in them as well (and protein, which is also helpful). I'm finding also that some of these new things turn my face red (egg, dha, krill oil). I don't know if this is a temporary problem or not. Marc |
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Gave up trying to find the msg. about the circles under the eyes.
That is caused by one or more things; not enough sleep, head injury ;), food allergy, particularly dairy, wheat also, and B vitamin deficiency. Choline and inositol are B vitamins. Uncooked yolks would have more of that in them, as heat and light destroy B vitamins. I get circles from dairy consumption, and it doesn't take much, but takes a full month for them to go away once they're there. ~Snoshoe |
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Hi, Marc,
In Dr J Mercola's book, "The No-Grain Diet", he states that people with insulin resistance are unable to convert ALA to more beneficial fatty acids and for that reason flax oil is not a good choice. He also states that need for omega 3s is very individualistic and therefore amounts can only be judged by the person taking them. In my own case, I cannot convert ALA at all and it makes me ill to take it. I also react quite badly to Primrose Oil, tho it works great for controlling hand tremors that I have. (Remember tho that I am not a person with ES, but the opposite--I seem to have unusual current in my body.) Mia Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: flax oil (ALA): virtually no reaction, although with longterm use I seemed to have fewer allergies --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi all,
For those keeping track, I should note that DHA extracted from algae (Neuromins 200 mg) gave me red blotchy cheeks, and didn't appear to help my ES. My wife also tried a capsule and then complained that she felt like she was going to throw up and felt very cold. I'm trying another Krill Oil capsule again today -- this still leaves me oxygen deprived, and another symptom I forgot to mention before is that it causes muscle stiffness in my neck and jaw, along with some agitation. The funny thing is though with the Krill oil is that I already noted that it does help with the ES symptoms, and it makes my skin look much healthier (moister, better color) than usual. So perhaps if I only take 1/2 a gelcap... :-) Really makes one wonder if omega-3 fatty acids are actually good for people? :-) I guess I should just stick with the raw eggs... Marc |
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Hi Marc,
i just wondered if you've tried eating oily fish (eg, smoked mackerel) as, like me, it would seem that possibly you respond better to foodstuffs than supplements. I loathed the idea of eating oily fish, and am still not wild about it, but i think its probably better than taking supplements. Plus my cat goes wild for the skins, i think he benefits the omega 3s too!!!I did the oily fish thing because nutritionists recommended i do so. The nutritionists i saw also suggested i eat red meat. I was apalled as i had not eaten any for 20 years!! But eventually, through desperation, I forced myself to cook a tiny cube of steak, and now continue to do so at varying intervals, mainly in winter. I know when i need it because i start craving protein and nothing seems to fill the gap. I know then that it is time to have some read meat. What i have found is that immediately after eating the meat i feel amazing. I can feel the energy radiating out of my tummy, i can FEEL the chemicals from the meat going clunk-click, and setting off reactions that have obvioulsy been waiting to be put into motion for months. I feel relaxed and completely zonked, like after a really good massage. But then comes the bad bit. My digestive system REALLY struggles to digest the meat, and i have to take digestive enzymes to help it along. Evenso it gives me a really hard time and my tummy hurts for about 24 hours. But despite the sore tummy i felt more energy, more robust and happier afterwards. I think the benefit i get is from the juices, and the problems are caused by the flesh. As i/m new to this forum i don't know whether you are vegetarian or not, or what you have tried in these areas i have just described. best wishes jane --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > For those keeping track, I should note that DHA extracted > from algae (Neuromins 200 mg) gave me red blotchy cheeks, > and didn't appear to help my ES. My wife also tried a > capsule and then complained that she felt like she was > going to throw up and felt very cold. > > I'm trying another Krill Oil capsule again today -- this > still leaves me oxygen deprived, and another symptom > I forgot to mention before is that it causes muscle > stiffness in my neck and jaw, along with some agitation. > The funny thing is though with the Krill oil is that > I already noted that it does help with the ES symptoms, > and it makes my skin look much healthier (moister, better > color) than usual. So perhaps if I only take 1/2 a > gelcap... :-) > > Really makes one wonder if omega-3 fatty acids are > actually good for people? :-) > > I guess I should just stick with the raw eggs... > > Marc > |
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> As i/m new to this forum i don't know whether you are vegetarian or
> not, or what you have tried in these areas i have just described. Hi Jane, Yes, I've been a vegetarian for a several years now, although admittedly many of my supplements have been derived from animal organs, etc., so I'm not especially strict. Also note that I came down with all of my problems prior to becoming a vegetarian, and only became a vegetarian because that's what seemed like I was best able to digest. I've noted that there are raw-foods advocates that claim that eating raw animal products (including raw meat, unpasteurised milk, etc.) does wonders for chronic health problems, although I have not tried this myself. Although eating raw eggs could be viewed as a first step towards that! Marc |
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Hi Mia,
This is the first time ever I have heard of a relationship between insulin resistance and enzymatic conversion of EFAs. Is this based on peer reviewed research or some clinical research of Dr Mercola himself? Does the book go into detail about this? Any detailed info on this available online? Thanks, Ole --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote: > > Hi, Marc, > > In Dr J Mercola's book, "The No-Grain Diet", he states that people with insulin resistance are unable to convert ALA to more beneficial fatty acids and for that reason flax oil is not a good choice. He also states that need for omega 3s is very individualistic and therefore amounts can only be judged by the person taking them. In my own case, I cannot convert ALA at all and it makes me ill to take it. I also react quite badly to Primrose Oil, tho it works great for controlling hand tremors that I have. (Remember tho that I am not a person with ES, but the opposite--I seem to have unusual current in my body.) > > Mia |
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Hi Marc,
You may be allergic to something other than the pure EPA/DHA; The DHA algae oil is mixed with other things for stability. It may also be some compounds in the oil itself which is still there. Same goes for the Krill oil, there may be compounds in it which have not been removed by the filtering process. It could also be contamination from other substances in the manufacturing process. The capsules may contain some allergic substance. I would try to get a natural as possible LIQUID fish oil without any additives. Will see if I can locate some choices for you. Ole --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: > > Hi all, > > For those keeping track, I should note that DHA extracted > from algae (Neuromins 200 mg) gave me red blotchy cheeks, > and didn't appear to help my ES. My wife also tried a > capsule and then complained that she felt like she was > going to throw up and felt very cold. > > I'm trying another Krill Oil capsule again today -- this > still leaves me oxygen deprived, and another symptom > I forgot to mention before is that it causes muscle > stiffness in my neck and jaw, along with some agitation. > The funny thing is though with the Krill oil is that > I already noted that it does help with the ES symptoms, > and it makes my skin look much healthier (moister, better > color) than usual. So perhaps if I only take 1/2 a > gelcap... :-) > > Really makes one wonder if omega-3 fatty acids are > actually good for people? :-) > > I guess I should just stick with the raw eggs... > > Marc > |
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Hi,
Not sure if we have been over this, but just printed out some instructions on my himalayan salt rocks and read the following: At Full Moon the body's absorption is at it's peak, at New Moon the body's capacity for detoxification is at its highest. They go on to recommend salt baths at both moon phases. Full moon the most minerals will be absorbed. Weak points are harmonized and the body's own energy flow is activated/ At new moon the bath would be similar to a three day fast, weight adjustment and decontaminationof the body are supported. This info can of course be more broadly applied, and I will try to keep an I on it (lunatic huh??) Full moon feed body, new moon detox.. Love Ellen --------------------------------- YAHOO! GROUPS LINKS Visit your group "eSens" on the web. To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to the Yahoo! Terms of Service. --------------------------------- --------------------------------- Yahoo! FareChase - Search multiple travel sites in one click. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Jane,
Your experience with meat is very common and is explained very nicely by Ayurvedic nutritional medicine. Meat is very grounding to body and mind but difficult to digest and create different side effects. Look into what is called dosha descriptions. Meat is calming to the vata dosha ie. air element in the body. Vata dosha increases in winter. It is cold and dry. You can achive the same results with vata calming vegetarian foods and avoid the side effects by adjusting your diet according to dosha principles for your personal constitution. Ole --- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@t...> wrote: > > Hi Marc, > > i just wondered if you've tried eating oily fish (eg, smoked > mackerel) as, like me, it would seem that possibly you respond better > to foodstuffs than supplements. I loathed the idea of eating oily > fish, and am still not wild about it, but i think its probably better > than taking supplements. Plus my cat goes wild for the skins, i > think he benefits the omega 3s too!!!I did the oily fish thing > because nutritionists recommended i do so. > > The nutritionists i saw also suggested i eat red meat. I was apalled > as i had not eaten any for 20 years!! But eventually, through > desperation, I forced myself to cook a tiny cube of steak, and now > continue to do so at varying intervals, mainly in winter. I know > when i need it because i start craving protein and nothing seems to > fill the gap. I know then that it is time to have some read meat. > > What i have found is that immediately after eating the meat i feel > amazing. I can feel the energy radiating out of my tummy, i can FEEL > the chemicals from the meat going clunk-click, and setting off > reactions that have obvioulsy been waiting to be put into motion for > months. I feel relaxed and completely zonked, like after a really > good massage. > > But then comes the bad bit. My digestive system REALLY struggles to > digest the meat, and i have to take digestive enzymes to help it > along. Evenso it gives me a really hard time and my tummy hurts for > about 24 hours. But despite the sore tummy i felt more energy, more > robust and happier afterwards. > > I think the benefit i get is from the juices, and the problems are > caused by the flesh. > > As i/m new to this forum i don't know whether you are vegetarian or > not, or what you have tried in these areas i have just described. > > best wishes > jane |
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Be careful with raw animal foods! Raw eggs contain avidin which will
create biotin deficiences. And then there is the salmonella... Raw milk can be very healing if you find the right source. Raw meat is much too heavy for the digestive system, most people cannot digest raw meat, unless they have very fierce digestions, but in the long run it will create so many problems even for those people. The beneficial effects of steady long term consumption of raw meat is a raw food myth. Raw fish like sushi is different of course and much easier to digest, also can be a good source of EPA/DHA, now how about that? That is if you like Sushi ;-) Ole --- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote: > > > As i/m new to this forum i don't know whether you are vegetarian or > > not, or what you have tried in these areas i have just described. > > Hi Jane, > > Yes, I've been a vegetarian for a several years now, although admittedly > many of my supplements have been derived from animal organs, etc., > so I'm not especially strict. Also note that I came down with > all of my problems prior to becoming a vegetarian, and only > became a vegetarian because that's what seemed like I was best > able to digest. > > I've noted that there are raw-foods advocates that claim that > eating raw animal products (including raw meat, unpasteurised > milk, etc.) does wonders for chronic health problems, although > I have not tried this myself. Although eating raw eggs could > be viewed as a first step towards that! > > Marc > |
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Apparently EFAs are good for nerve damage such as can be implicated in
es. --- In [hidden email], "alstrup" <alstrup@y...> wrote: > > Hi Jane, > > Your experience with meat is very common and is explained very > nicely by Ayurvedic nutritional medicine. Meat is very grounding to > body and mind but difficult to digest and create different side > effects. Look into what is called dosha descriptions. Meat is > calming to the vata dosha ie. air element in the body. Vata dosha > increases in winter. It is cold and dry. You can achive the same > results with vata calming vegetarian foods and avoid the side > effects by adjusting your diet according to dosha principles for > your personal constitution. > > Ole > > --- In [hidden email], "canaryyuk" <canary65@t...> wrote: > > > > Hi Marc, > > > > i just wondered if you've tried eating oily fish (eg, smoked > > mackerel) as, like me, it would seem that possibly you respond > better > > to foodstuffs than supplements. I loathed the idea of eating oily > > fish, and am still not wild about it, but i think its probably > better > > than taking supplements. Plus my cat goes wild for the skins, i > > think he benefits the omega 3s too!!!I did the oily fish thing > > because nutritionists recommended i do so. > > > > The nutritionists i saw also suggested i eat red meat. I was > apalled > > as i had not eaten any for 20 years!! But eventually, through > > desperation, I forced myself to cook a tiny cube of steak, and now > > continue to do so at varying intervals, mainly in winter. I know > > when i need it because i start craving protein and nothing seems > to > > fill the gap. I know then that it is time to have some read meat. > > > > What i have found is that immediately after eating the meat i feel > > amazing. I can feel the energy radiating out of my tummy, i can > FEEL > > the chemicals from the meat going clunk-click, and setting off > > reactions that have obvioulsy been waiting to be put into motion > for > > months. I feel relaxed and completely zonked, like after a really > > good massage. > > > > But then comes the bad bit. My digestive system REALLY struggles > to > > digest the meat, and i have to take digestive enzymes to help it > > along. Evenso it gives me a really hard time and my tummy hurts > for > > about 24 hours. But despite the sore tummy i felt more energy, > more > > robust and happier afterwards. > > > > I think the benefit i get is from the juices, and the problems are > > caused by the flesh. > > > > As i/m new to this forum i don't know whether you are vegetarian > or > > not, or what you have tried in these areas i have just described. > > > > best wishes > > jane > |
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