Stetzer/ Quantum

Hi all,

With all this talk about Stetzer filters, I decided to ask the folks
at Quantum Products if there would be any advantage to using
Stetzer filters if I already owned Quantum Products devices.
Their reply is below (note that the Mark that is referred
to in this email is the inventor of the Quantum Products,
not me!)

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Hi Marc,

Thanks for your question :)

Other people have asked us the same thing. If the "Stetzerizer filter"
works by blocking or cutting off the higher frequencies then it will
not be necessary if you have a Quantum environmental unit.

There is no real advantage to cutting off the higher frequencies. That
'solution' arises due lack of knowledge about how to increase the
integrity of the signal.

The logic behind cutting off the higher frequencies is that the higher
frequencies are more fragile and more vulnerable to breaking down into
noise. It is the noise that triggers the stress response in living
systems, so it makes sense to cut off the frequencies that are most
likely to break down and turn into noise IF you do not know how to
strengthen the signal so that it does not break down so easily.

Quantum Products use a technology that strengthens the underlying
coherence of electric currents so they do not collapse into noise.
Cutting off the higher frequencies does nothing to neutralize the noise
of the lower frequencies.

Until the technology governing Quantum Products was discovered there
was no way to raise the signal-to-noise ratio of electronic signals.
We have tested Quantum Products and they have been shown to increase
the signal-to-noise ratio significantly (by as much as 108% so far).

Mark is constantly upgrading the products and now has discovered that
the increase in signal-to-noise ratio has very practical applications
in many areas. An increase in signal-to-noise ratio, when applied to
the wireless industry, for example, increases coverage. We have
measured at least a 50% increase in wireless coverage so far.

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Marc

Marc, is there a way for me to contact him directly and ask him for some
proof it really has physically measurable effects as he claims?

Drasko

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Tuesday, August 23, 2005 5:10 PM
Subject: [eSens] Stetzer/ Quantum

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@u...> wrote:
> Hi all,
>
>Would you be so kind as to give me a web address where I can find
this environmental unit by quantum. I've looked in google and I
don't think I have found it. Much appreciated.



With all this talk about Stetzer filters, I decided to ask the folks
> at Quantum Products if there would be any advantage to using
> Stetzer filters if I already owned Quantum Products devices.
> Their reply is below (note that the Mark that is referred
> to in this email is the inventor of the Quantum Products,
> not me!)
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> Hi Marc,
>
> Thanks for your question :)
>
> Other people have asked us the same thing. If the "Stetzerizer
filter"
> works by blocking or cutting off the higher frequencies then it will
> not be necessary if you have a Quantum environmental unit.
>
> There is no real advantage to cutting off the higher frequencies.
That
> 'solution' arises due lack of knowledge about how to increase the
> integrity of the signal.
>
> The logic behind cutting off the higher frequencies is that the
higher
> frequencies are more fragile and more vulnerable to breaking down
into
> noise. It is the noise that triggers the stress response in living
> systems, so it makes sense to cut off the frequencies that are most
> likely to break down and turn into noise IF you do not know how to
> strengthen the signal so that it does not break down so easily.
>
> Quantum Products use a technology that strengthens the underlying
> coherence of electric currents so they do not collapse into noise.
> Cutting off the higher frequencies does nothing to neutralize the
noise
> of the lower frequencies.
>
> Until the technology governing Quantum Products was discovered there
> was no way to raise the signal-to-noise ratio of electronic signals.
> We have tested Quantum Products and they have been shown to increase
> the signal-to-noise ratio significantly (by as much as 108% so far).
>
> Mark is constantly upgrading the products and now has discovered
that
> the increase in signal-to-noise ratio has very practical
applications
> in many areas. An increase in signal-to-noise ratio, when applied to
> the wireless industry, for example, increases coverage. We have
> measured at least a 50% increase in wireless coverage so far.
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
--
>
> Marc

> Marc, is there a way for me to contact him directly and ask him for some
> proof it really has physically measurable effects as he claims?

The email address I use to contact the folks at Quantum Products is:

[hidden email]

Emails sent here always seem to be replied to by Margi Wilson.

They also have a website at: http://www.natural-stress-reduction.com/
They used to have one at quantumproducts.com, but that site has
been "closed for repairs" for a while now.

Several years ago, I bought some Quantum Products from a distributor
who sent along some photocopied articles, testimonials, etc. that
were pretty interesting. They even hooked up a device to part
of the Los Angeles power grid in the early 90's and measured
a subsequen reduction in air pollution. I believe that the inventor
is an electrical engineer that was initially concerned with
improving signal-to-noise ratio, but also found that this
technology helped people with electrical sensitivities (the
inventor is sensitive himself, and is also blind).

Also, this technology has been used for high-priced stereo equipment,
and I've read various reviews from audio magazines that agree
that it improves the sound fidelity. One of the first things
I noticed when I first started experimenting with these was
that the picture on my television looked better and the sound
coming out of my speakers sounded better. I was never sure
if that was because the devices were impacting the electronics,
or if they were impacting my eyesight/hearing (or both!).

The website for the company which markets this stuff specifically
for the audio/video use is: http://quantumqrt.com/ . I believe
that this is actually a company while stole the technology
from the first company, and is run by an ex-employee/distributor.
You could also email them separately and ask the same questions,
since they are a different company using more or less the
same technology.

Marc

> Would you be so kind as to give me a web address where I can find
> this environmental unit by quantum. I've looked in google and I
> don't think I have found it. Much appreciated.

The website to use right now is:

http://www.natural-stress-reduction.com/

The unit they recommend for use in the home is the "Quantum Home".
However, I have had good luck with the much less expensive
power strip. And I've found that the effects of the power
strips are additive, so if one is not enough, then two may
work better. But I've seen no need for twenty!

Note that Quantum Products do not impact the readings in the
Stetzer filter, so they do not remove the high frequencies
in the line. They just seem to make those frequencies less
harmful to people.

Marc

> The website to use right now is:
>
> http://www.natural-stress-reduction.com/

Oh, another distributer for Quantum Products is:

http://advancedliving.com/

They've got some of the older marketing materials on
that website. Note that the clock they sell is not
officially part of the Quantum Products product line,
but is based on the same technology.

Marc

> Marc, is there a way for me to contact him directly and ask him for some
> proof it really has physically measurable effects as he claims?

By the way, Drasko, before asking about their claims, you may
want to read this page, which lists several claims:

http://advancedliving.com/QSciTest.ivnu

Although I don't know how one can ever ascertain "proof" of
anything, unless you've done the experiment yourself...

Marc

> Although I don't know how one can ever ascertain "proof" of
> anything, unless you've done the experiment yourself...

Also, note that the QuantumQRT website has many positive
reviews from audio/video standpoint:

http://quantumqrt.com/reviews.htm

I also see that they carry a 220v version of their power
strip, which is something that the other Quantum Products
does not. They also have a better explanation of how
the technology works:

http://quantumqrt.com/explanation.htm

But they do NOT focus on the health aspects at all, even
though it seems to be the same type of technology
(just a different implementation)

Marc

> Also, note that the QuantumQRT website has many positive
> reviews from audio/video standpoint:
>
> http://quantumqrt.com/reviews.htm

Also, I found this line in one of the video reviews
interesting:

"LCDs are notoriously noisy, and also are plagued
with cheap power supplies. The Symphony Pro pulled
out all background noise, and reduced the hum from
the WEGA’s power supply."

from my own experience, I find that the (other)
Quantum Products devices the best thing available
to make LCD monitors tolerable.

Marc

I do thank you for that information. They gave me a free power strip
with my purchace of a quantum pro. Hopefully I won't be listen to
noise anymore. I was already thinking of running some dedicated lines
using armored cable under my house to install an outlet or two to
places where I have lots of stuff plugged in so I could turn off more
breakers in the breaker box. I get an awful feeling whenever I turn
on the breaker to the lights in the kitchen. Maybe this will clean it
up so I can use those circuits. By the way, I received my springlife
pendant yesterday. I put it in the top of my pyramid when at home.
It has a good effect so far. I am glad because it doesn't use any
pwer and doesn't put anymore electricity into the air. I'm finding
that I'm even starting to get sensitive to the Q-Link clocks now and
turn them off. I'm hoping that the quantum pro will solve the problem
because it doesn't put any new frequencies or electricity into the air
but just cleans up the lines like the stetzer filters.

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:

Hello all. My name is Sharon and I'm new here. I ran across this group when looking for info on how cell phones affect our bodies. Within the past few months, I've noticed that if I use my cell phone or cordless phone alot, I get dizzy and foggy brained. I have also started feeling this way if I sit at my computer too much. I haven't found too much info on this so I thought a group with other people would be the best way to go. I'm looking forward to any information I can obtain. Thanks so much...


**Sharon
In God's Hands




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> I'm finding
> that I'm even starting to get sensitive to the Q-Link clocks now and
> turn them off. I'm hoping that the quantum pro will solve the problem
> because it doesn't put any new frequencies or electricity into the air
> but just cleans up the lines like the stetzer filters.

I don't think the Quantum Pro cleans up the lines "just like" the
Stetzer filters. It does its own unique thing, and it certainly
possible that you could have a bad reaction to the Quantum Pro,
which is a very strong unit that I would use in an office building,
not a house. For a house, I would use the Quantum Home or
put a couple power strips in the bad areas (one in the computer
room, one in the big TV room, etc).

For a lot of these technologies, sensitive people have to
be aware of not only doing too little, but also of doing
too much.

Fortunately, if you have a bad reaction to the Quantum Pro,
you can return it and get your money back.

Marc

> I'm finding
> that I'm even starting to get sensitive to the Q-Link clocks now and
> turn them off.

Did you ever have a good reaction to the Clarus Clocks? If so,
you'd be the first person I've heard from that has...

Marc

Welcome Sharon,

I think we've all experienced the symptoms you are reporting. You
might want to browse the message archives (they are all collected
in groups of 500 messages at a time in the "Files" area).

Also, for the computer, you might want to try downloading the
free 15-day trial version of the Quantum Byte software and
see if it makes any difference:

http://www.quantumproducts.com/quantumbyteinfo/

I would also consider replacing your cordless phone with
a corded phone, if that is at all possible. Also, if
you have any energy efficient light bulbs (florescent),
I'd suggest replacing them with the old fashioned
incandescent lighting.

Marc

By the way Sharon, if you're looking for an explanation
for what is causing your reaction to cellphones and
computers, it seems that there are all sorts of
contradictory theories. And I suppose that different
people are reacting for different reasons. In my
own case, I subscribe to the theory that exposure
to the EMF fields opens
up your "blood-brain barrier", which allows toxins
(like mercury, etc.) entry into your brain and
central nervous system. So a longterm solution
would be to "Detoxify", but I can assure you
that this is easier said than done, and will take
a long time, and require a lot of money (e.g,
getting all of your silver dental fillings
removed is one typical step along the way). Short
term solutions involve avoidance of the EMF
fields, or transforming them into something
less harmful with devices, or building up your
resistance to them with diet, better nutrition,
excercise, etc.

Marc

Boy are you in for a surprise with this list. We have got a bunch of
recovery electrical sensitives that have been around the block, make
that the world a couple of times with detoxing, filters, diets, etc
also professional electrician types,. You name it, you can find it
here.
So, what would you like to know, other than you are not crazy. You are
experiencing a very real phenomenon. I recommend getting rid of your
cordless phone and get a regular old fashion land line, limit your cell
phone use as much as possible and keep the power turned off unless you
are using it. When you do use it, never put it against your head (use
the speaker phone).
Sit back as far from the computer as possible. There are thousands of
things you can do with your computer, electricity, shielding etc.
We'll get into that a little at a time so we don't bombard you all at
once.
Welcome to the list! I am not the moderator by the way, Marc is.
Happy you are here.
Andrew

On Aug 23, 2005, at 3:21 PM, sharonx9 wrote:

I'm answering two posts at once. The first point you made was that
the quantum pro did not clean up the lines the same way that the stete
filters do. I understand this from reading the post you wrote earlier
that it leaves the high frequencies in and does something quite
different to the electricity. The point was that it does not, as far
as I understand, put any new currents into the air but works on the
electricity in the lines. If the stetzer filters do nothing to the
low frequency noise and the quantum products do then I need them as
well. I will have to play with it a bit to see what is best. But I'm
gessing I will be plugging stetzer filters in to remove high
frequencies still. I know from experimenting with a frequency
generator that the higher frequencies can be the most damaging if
exposed to them too much. Although I also know if not overexposed to
them they can be very good for removing brain fog. And so I will
experiment with both the quantum pro and the stetzer filters to try to
create an energy within my home that works best, maybe using only a
few of the stetzers or using many of them.

Now to your second question, did I find anything good in the clarus
clocks. I am able to get some quick energy by sitting under my
pyramid that has a clarus clock attached to it. I know some people in
the group may understand this. But I found a way to stop "Psychic
attacks" by sitting under this pyramid. But I have since found a
better way using a material called velostat. But I know I am also
becoming sensitive to the frequency that it puts out. I'm not throwing
them away. Once the sensitivity subsides I may find a temporary use
for them again some time in the future.

Again, thanks for the info about the quantum products. I couldn't
find anything on google searches like what you were talking about.




--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> > I'm finding
> > that I'm even starting to get sensitive to the Q-Link clocks now
and
> > turn them off.
>
> Did you ever have a good reaction to the Clarus Clocks? If so,
> you'd be the first person I've heard from that has...
>
> Marc

> Again, thanks for the info about the quantum products. I couldn't
> find anything on google searches like what you were talking about.

Yeah, the company that makes the Quantum Products has not been
very good at marketing. I think the other company that took
their technology and targetted the audio/video industry is
doing a better job at marketing.

Also, I see that there yet another company that makes somewhat
similar products, although much more expensive and probably
only for the rich audio/videophiles:

http://www.bybeeconnection.com/ourtech.asp

Marc

Hi all,

Doing some more searching on "all things Quantum", I found an
interesting
interview with the guy in charge of the audio/video Quantum Products.

http://archive.avsforum.com/avs-vb/history/topic/169767-1.html

Here is a passage which I found interesting:

"We have done electromagnetic conducted emissions testing
of our Symphony products with interesting results. The
standard for conducted emissions covers the range from
.450 MHz to 30 MHz. A laptop computer was tested for em
emissions to get a reference reading. The Symphony was
then installed on the 110VAC power line and the resultant
amplitude was recorded.

In the range of 1.1 MHz to 3.4 MHz, the peak amplitude
measurements (dB micro volt) decreased by 30 - 40 %!

This is a very significant decrease in RF noise on
the AC line."

So, if this Quantum technology is reducing the RF noise
in the 1-4 Mhz range, I guess it wouldn't show up on
the Stetzerizer meter, which only goes up to 100 khz.

Note that this interview mentions the other company
which sells this technology for health concerns, but
it claims that this company went out of business in
1997! (odd, since it still seems to exist today)

Marc

In a message dated 8/23/2005 12:41:36 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:
Did you ever have a good reaction to the Clarus Clocks? If so,
you'd be the first person I've heard from that has...
I have one (ironically, I had it before developing e.s. and it does
absolutely nothing that I can notice). In fairness, one I have was purchased 10 years
ago. Stephanie


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