Stetzer/ Quantum

> By the way, Drasko, before asking about their claims, you may
> want to read this page, which lists several claims:
>
> http://advancedliving.com/QSciTest.ivnu

Oh wait, I now see that on the new website (natural-stress-reduction.com),
the claim list is more detailed:

http://www.natural-stress-reduction.com/summary-of-research.html

And there are other statistics here:

http://www.natural-stress-reduction.com/scientific-revolution.html

I remember that just a few months ago, this website had a page
devoted to electrical sensitivity. For some reason, that page
is now gone... :-(

Marc

Marc,
Thank you for the info, I was not aware of all the aspects regarding
Quantum... You know, I thought it was one of the miracoulous devices that
has no physical correlations, but this one is a kind of similar to Stetzer,
it does have some meaurable physical effects...

But I was suprised to find out it emitts something so as to enable effects!
So it is not passive like most of other devices! I understood you were
reluctant to use active devices?

Drasko


----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, August 24, 2005 7:19 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Stetzer/ Quantum

> But I was suprised to find out it emitts something so as to enable
> effects! So it is not passive like most of other devices! I ]
> understood you were reluctant to use active devices?

I'm not reluctant to use active devices. I know that some people
don't like to use devices which emit an EMF field, because they
feel that all EMF fields are bad. I don't believe that, however,
and focus merely on what works for me.

That said, the devices from Quantum Products which work the best
for me are the ones which don't have a transmitter built into
them. That is, the Quantum Powerstrip and the Quantum MiniMax
don't have any transmitter -- they are just regular Fiskars/
Power Sentry power outlets which have received the material
treatment process. They seem to affect about a 7' radius
around them, which is good enough for problem areas like
where the computer is and where the TV is. Also, the seem
to affect the entire house, so I assume the effect spreads
backwards to the fusebox.

Marc

I was searching and coming up with the audio video products and the
prices were very different than the one you were quoting. I notice
that the symphony pro, etc. by that company do put a frequency in the
air to modify or cancel or harmonize products in a 50 or so foot
radius. I would not be interested in their products for the reason
that I'm only wanting to modify, harmonize, etc. the wiring in the
walls. I do still have a clarus negative ion generator that I have
for several years and I think it does a good job and creates a good
effect. And I have found that the pocket version of their clocks when
placed between thick layers of velostat has a good effect as well.
But then again, I have to be careful not to get too much of it.


--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:

> I was searching and coming up with the audio video products and the
> prices were very different than the one you were quoting. I notice
> that the symphony pro, etc. by that company do put a frequency in the
> air to modify or cancel or harmonize products in a 50 or so foot
> radius. I would not be interested in their products for the reason
> that I'm only wanting to modify, harmonize, etc. the wiring in the
> walls.

You may want to check with the folks who make the Quantum Pro,
because I believe that the Quantum Pro works in the same way
as the Symphony, Clarus Clocks, etc. That is, I believe
it transmits a coherent field which alters EMF in the air
and in the wires.

Marc

I'm reading about the product and I don't see any mention whatsoever
of it emitting any kind of frequencies into the environment. All I
read is that it goes to work on the wiring within the walls and they
speak of their power strips as filters. If what you say is true then
I can see why you would prefer the power strips or the home unit and
not the quantum pro device. Just in case you are right I will be sure
to not damage the box and not throw it away. I will return it if it
puts more electricity into the air like a clarus clock. Thanks.

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> > I was searching and coming up with the audio video products and
the
> > prices were very different than the one you were quoting. I
notice
> > that the symphony pro, etc. by that company do put a frequency in
the
> > air to modify or cancel or harmonize products in a 50 or so foot
> > radius. I would not be interested in their products for the
reason

> I'm reading about the product and I don't see any mention whatsoever
> of it emitting any kind of frequencies into the environment.

It's my understanding that the audio/video products on QuantumQRT.com
are derived from the same technology as the Quantum Pro. So if the
description on QuantumQRT.com says it broadcasts coherent waves,
then I would think that the Quantum Pro does as well. I certainly
could be wrong about this, though -- for example, on AdvancedLiving.com,
they talk about an extra antenna that could be added to the
Quantum Pro, so perhaps the standard Quantum Pro has no antenna.

By the way, I've owned a Quantum Pro for 4 years, and have used it at
work. I'd say its overkill for a house, though.

Marc

Anybody has the feeling that homeopathic remedies don't work with esens
people?
Is there a sort of "resistance" at the energetic medicine?

Daniele






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Hello Daniele,

homeopathic remedies do work with esens people.

The catch is however, that in HF radiation areas, the working of homeopathic
remedies is very small.
And that goes for all people, esens or not.

And that goes for all remedies.
If you do have cancer, all remedies are hinderd in their work as long as the
patient remains in a HF radiated area.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Dudos" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, August 25, 2005 11:47
Subject: [eSens] homeopathic remedy and esens


> Anybody has the feeling that homeopathic remedies don't work with esens
> people?
> Is there a sort of "resistance" at the energetic medicine?
>
> Daniele
>

My first real relief came from Homeopathic Radiation drops. Sulfur also
helped greatly. There were a few others along the way that gave some
relief.
I think homeopathics are one part that can be very useful.
Andrew
On Aug 25, 2005, at 5:47 AM, Dudos wrote:

Hello,
I have voluntarily exposed homeopathic high potencies to the radiation of a
mobile phone. It is destroyed within seconds. Even at a distance of 40 cm it
will loose 25% of its value within 30 seconds. Even a normal tranformer for
halogen illumination of 12 Volts 70 Watt will have a similiar effect, 20% loss in
1 hour at a distance of 1 meter. This happens only, if you have no eletrosmog
neutralizer on the mobile or the fuse box.

Dietrich Gruen

There are ways, to avoid this. They have to start in the companies producing
homeopthic remedies.


[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

> If what you say is true then
> I can see why you would prefer the power strips or the home unit and
> not the quantum pro device. Just in case you are right I will be sure
> to not damage the box and not throw it away. I will return it if it
> puts more electricity into the air like a clarus clock.

Well, I for one will be very interested to hear the results of your
experimentation -- it sounds like you have hundreds of dollars
worth of stuff from Clarus, Stetzer, and Quantum, and it will
be interesting to hear what works best.

Marc

I had some homeopathy radiation tablets given to me once that helped a
lot with the sunburn from pc monitors. Haven't located any that
worked like that again though. No name or anything on the ones I was
given either.

The mention of sulfur reminded me, that my chiro. had suggested
120mcg.of molybdenum, 3x/day to start with, for my chemical
sensitivities, which it really helps, but I notice it does seem to
lessen the sensitivity to emf's as well, so just thought I'd mention
it.

And has anyone tried the epsom salt/baking soda baths, or the bleach
baths for excessive radiation to help relieve just the daily amounts
we get exposed to? I've done foot baths with epsom and dead sea salts,
and it does seem somehow beneficial. I've actually aborted a few
migraines with the dead sea salts. Just learned that by coincidence.

~Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote:
> My first real relief came from Homeopathic Radiation drops. Sulfur
also
> helped greatly. There were a few others along the way that gave
some
> relief.
> I think homeopathics are one part that can be very useful.
> Andrew
> On Aug 25, 2005, at 5:47 AM, Dudos wrote:
>
> > Anybody has the feeling that homeopathic remedies don't work with
esens
> > people?
> > Is there a sort of "resistance" at the energetic medicine?
> >
> > Daniele

My quantum pro arrived yesterday morning. I got to use it for the
first time last night when I got home. I know that my Q-Link clocks
would max out my trifield meter on the electromagnetic scales. I
barely get a reading (around 1) with the quantum pro. And that could
be from just the unit itself and not something that it is emitting
into the air. And I have to put the trifield up pretty close to it
before getting a reading. I put it on its highest setting to see how
it would make me feel. Unless i develop some side effects in the
future it seems like a keeper. At that price I hope it lasts for a
long time and doesn't break in a year or two. Yes, I'm sure, like
many people in this group I've tried all kinds of stuff. I think
those stetzer filters are fantastic and will surely be buying more.
And I really like what I'm feeling with those polarizers. Two devices
I've got from this group. I still use the Q-Link ally. I have a hat
that has a zipper in it near the top. It has thick layers of velostat
in the top and also in a layer that touches the head. Placing the
ally in between the layers produces a good effect. But I can't leave
it on for all that long. Velostat also has a good effect. It shields
from microwaves. I wear hats with them in it and also have a pair of
boxer underwear that is lined with it. It covers my tailbone. My
head and my tailbone seem to be very sensitive to electrosmog.


--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:
> > If what you say is true then
> > I can see why you would prefer the power strips or the home unit
and
> > not the quantum pro device. Just in case you are right I will be
sure
> > to not damage the box and not throw it away. I will return it if
it
> > puts more electricity into the air like a clarus clock.
>
> Well, I for one will be very interested to hear the results of your
> experimentation -- it sounds like you have hundreds of dollars
> worth of stuff from Clarus, Stetzer, and Quantum, and it will
> be interesting to hear what works best.
>
> Marc

> My quantum pro arrived yesterday morning. I put it on its highest
> setting to see how it would make me feel.

The highest setting? Yikes! I find that I really have to be careful
to not overdo it with these devices -- having too much is just as
bad as having too little. Fortunately with the Quantum Products,
there is quite a range in variability in strength among all the
various products (although I think the Companion is too weak
to be of much use)

Marc

Yep, its on the highest setting. And I feel good too. Less noise in
the walls = less noise in the head. The stetzer filters don't do
anything to the lower frequencies. I had a hunch the quantum pro
would work IF it did what it claimed to do in the way that it claimed
it does. Cleaning up the lower frequencies appears to be necessary as
well. My breaker box is located in the bedroom of the house, being a
trailer, and not on the far wall of the garage. The highest setting
appears to be necessary. A 400 dollar quantum pro is a lot cheaper
than moving. By the way, I don't see any kind of hook up on it for
an antennae. Maybe the newer devices are different than the ones sold
4 years ago. Take care.



--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:

> By the way, I don't see any kind of hook up on it for
> an antennae. Maybe the newer devices are different than the ones sold
> 4 years ago.

Mine doesn't have a hookup for an antenna either -- it seems
that there is a variation of the Quantum Pro that has an
antenna jack. I see a couple variations of the Quantum
Pro being offered for sale at AdvancedLiving.com

And since the folks at Quantum Products are claiming that
they are constantly improving their devices, it wouldn't
surprise me if yours is different than my 4-year-old model.

Marc

(To Dietrich) What form were the homeopathic remedies in? Solid,
liquid, or both?

(To all)
from discussions I've been a part of with a group of homeopathy
teachers and students, it has been our experience that some remedies
were still viable after being irradiated for several seconds in
airport X-ray scanners. I only say 'some' because there wasn't a
coordinated experiment before the discussion and only some of the
remedies were tried soon after X-ray exposure, like the person's
current personal remedy. If it turned out later that another remedy
didn't work we couldn't be sure if it was due to erasure at the
airport, erasure at a different time, or not being the appropriate
remedy. Also, it turned out that those remedies which were in granule
surface deposition form weathered the X-ray exposure best. Remedy
energies being held in liquid it appeared were more likely to be
erased. (Post-exposure potency wasn't measured exactly either -- the
remedy either reportedly worked or it didn't.)

This collection of rough data made sense to me since most commercially
available remedy energies are first caught in a polar liquid, like
water or alcohol, especially the EM radiation remedies like
Electricitas or X-ray. Those remedy energies being held in crystal
form on granule surfaces would (at first guess) be harder to erase
since the remedy energy structure is held in a solid instead of a
liquid.

On the topic of radiation effecting remedy activity, it is stated in
homeopathic literature that direct exposure to sunlight erases
homeopathic remedies. You can easily verify sunlight's erasing
effect. How fast for each remedy, and how it depends on potency or
carrier type, I haven't come across. But an individual who takes a
homeopathic remedy can usually handle a previously known healthy
time-exposure to the sun, for that individual, without any curtailing
of remedy action.

(On HF radiation areas and homeopathic energies)
HF frequencies are commonly stated as being in a band from around 3 to
30 MHz. Microwave frequencies are roughly from around 1 GHz to 300
GHz. (1 GHz = 1000 MHz) Cell phones and wireless networks operate in
a low frequency microwave band (approximately 850 MHz through 5 GHz,
though the upper range keeps being extended for newer wireless
transmissions). UV rays and X-rays are of much higher frequency than
this. Though, the energy per photon for UV rays and X-rays is
thousands (for UV) to millions (for X-rays) of times higher than for
microwaves, microwaves have the property of resonating with polar
liquids (like water), or molecules with dipole moments in liquids
(such as some organic molecules in water).

As the human body is composed mainly of water, the basic action of a
homeopathic remedy on the physical level is thought by some to be
similar to how the remedy energy is captured in the first place; i.e.,
through transference and propagation of its energy signature by
impression on the water in the human body via the water's polar
properties. [See "Homeopathy: Science or Myth?" by Dr. Bill Gray for
some info on this. Dr. Gray is a physician and graduate of the
Stanford Medical school who became a homeopath after seeing first-hand
the inadequacies of allopathic medicine. Also, the energy signature
acquiring properties of water can be graphically seen in "The Hidden
Messages in Water" by Dr. Masaru Emoto.]

Since microwave emissions strongly interact with the human body via
water's polar mechanism, too, this could explain the stronger
interference effect microwaves have on homeopathic remedy treatment as
compared with X-rays and sunlight. This mode of microwave/water
interaction also highlights the danger wireless transmissions have on
the body in general.

-Beau

--- In [hidden email], Gruendg@a... wrote:
> Hello,
> I have voluntarily exposed homeopathic high potencies to the
radiation of a
> mobile phone. It is destroyed within seconds. Even at a distance of
40 cm it
> will loose 25% of its value within 30 seconds. Even a normal
tranformer for
> halogen illumination of 12 Volts 70 Watt will have a similiar
effect, 20% loss in
> 1 hour at a distance of 1 meter. This happens only, if you have no
eletrosmog
> neutralizer on the mobile or the fuse box.
>
> Dietrich Gruen
>
> There are ways, to avoid this. They have to start in the companies
producing
> homeopthic remedies.
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Hi all, I too, am new here.
Since I see many of you mention Mercury as a possible culprit, I
just wanted to let you know that Mercury chelation didn't really
help my sensitivities in this area. In fact, especially during the
chelation process, many of my symptoms worsened. So if you are
keeping yourself in a perpetual state of chelation, you may be even
more sensitive.
Cheers,
*S*


--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:

Hi all,

still of the opinion there is something spiritual going on here. so the key is not to completely rid yourself of various metals, but to find balance in the brain hemispheres/extremes of consiousness, and seek spiritual transformation so the spiritual fire transmutes the metals in a purer form. keywords for a google could be mercury, ascension alchemy or maybe philosophers stone... really!! not entirely sure but the electronic belt probably is what we are dealing with here..

this does not mean you need to have knowledge of all these principles, to attain, i hope,,,.

Man the microcosm is a good article on-line where there is a pretty good theoretical framework and i just started looking a little at alchemy again//

Love and Joy



Sue <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi all, I too, am new here.
Since I see many of you mention Mercury as a possible culprit, I
just wanted to let you know that Mercury chelation didn't really
help my sensitivities in this area. In fact, especially during the
chelation process, many of my symptoms worsened. So if you are
keeping yourself in a perpetual state of chelation, you may be even
more sensitive.
Cheers,
*S*


--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@u...> wrote:






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