Shielding

Hi ALL
Was wondering if anybody has had success with shielding from lessemf.com.  They have shielding fabric made of cotton and copper, and then another shielding made of silver, which can be used to line hats.
I have trouble at my computer and watching TV.  I am hoping to find something that will help me tolerate these things better.

I recommend a EMF FACE SHIELD KIT
http://www.lessemf.com/computer.html

if your eyes and face are the most problem. Having fabric touch the  
skin opens up a whole can of worms (electrical current, grounding, etc.)

I have had success wearing the overcoat at airports, on planes with  
cell phones around, etc.
http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html
because it for the most part doesn't touch my skin directly.

There is much more to this story but if you can turn off as much power  
to the room as possible (lower the body voltage) then you're dealing  
mostly with just microwave/radio type radiation and not the electrical  
current or magnetic fields from being close to a monitor or laptop.

One thing at a time.

Good luck!
Andrew

On May 12, 2011, at 2:03 PM, valerie.kopach wrote:

For the computer, you may want to try getting a netbook with long battery life.  The Conradbiologic.com site recommends netbook with intel atom processor.  Incidentally, I happened to have one, but I had lent it to someone for a while.  After getting it back, I tried it on battery, and I seem less sensitive to it than my bigger more powerful laptop.  Now the intel atom processor is getting more advanced with dual core.  I don't know if that matters, but to be safe, you may want to stick with a netbook using the older kind of intel atom processor without dual core.

With the netbook running on battery (no cables plugged in) I'm good at 5' distance, with LCD monitor also at 5' distance, and connected to the netbook using VGA cable.  Using 800x600 resolution for the monitor makes the text large enough at this 5' distance, and then I use wired USB keyboard and mouse to control it.

With my older laptop, I used to tolerate it pretty close, but now if I use it, I think I should keep it about 10 feet!!  (That's about the distance where the AM radio on its lowest setting becomes quiet.  The power transformer injects a lot of frequencies which travel even on the USB cords to my mouse.  If I could, I'd run this older laptop's on battery, but the battery life died a long time ago.)

When you're done with you computer and monitor, unplug or turn off the surge protector that feeds them.


--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:

hello everyone...i was wondering if anyone on here has problems with nerve pain withthere teeth?

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After having my teeth cleaned at the dentist they were sensitive for a week. I bitched about it to my non-mercury dentist and next time they are only using baking soda to clean them.
We'll see if that makes a difference.
Do you still have metal in your mouth?
Andrew

On May 12, 2011, at 11:54 PM, Jacquelyn Nesdale wrote:

Hi Jacquelyn,

I had terrible pain in teeth often with nothing seemingly wrong. A tiny hole
seems to allow the EMR to travel in and zap you.
I went to my dentist on one ocassion complaining of unbearable pain. He
looked and found a hole. There was no infection and he sent me home with the
next available appointment which happened to be a month down the track.
I was back within a few days in awful pain and he had to fit me in as an
emergency patient.
I am not sure that he even believed that I was in that much pain from this
tiny hole with no infection but he sealed it and it took a couple of days
for the pain to completely subside.
This was not the first time that my teeth had created unbearable pain
either.

Cheers, Helen

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Environomics.com.au <http://environomics.com.au/>


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Don't forget to get a solid state
hard drive on the netbook.

I managed to get some more distance from
my laptop with these magnifiers:

http://www.maxiaids.com/store/ProdList.asp?idCategory=102&idstore=6&category=Screen-Magnifiers

They're a little blurry, but they do work.

Eli

--- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@...> wrote:

I have had absolutely no luck at all with any of that stuff.  It would be fine
if it worked just to keep frequencies out but it traps frequencies in, too,
which I especially notice with fabric - it messes with my personal electrical
field.  Apparently it must 'work' for someone or they wouldn't keep selling it
but I seriously wonder how much good it actually does.  It made me worse.




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From: valerie.kopach <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 12:03:03 PM
Subject: [eSens] Shielding

Hi ALL
Was wondering if anybody has had success with shielding from lessemf.com.  They
have shielding fabric made of cotton and copper, and then another shielding made
of silver, which can be used to line hats.
I have trouble at my computer and watching TV.  I am hoping to find something
that will help me tolerate these things better.





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We have a unique perspective on this very issue as we speak with ES people
all day long from all over the world. They give us tremendous feedback and
raise all kinds of questions which help us learn.

(Even though this has been stated time and again on this list it is worth
repeating):

People in general, and electrically sensitive people in particular are all
VERY different. What helps one may not help another. What hurts one may not
hurt another. Ask anyone who smoked for 50 years. Ask anyone with a peanut
allergy. Read this newsgroup about one person saying a
(supplement/shield/gadget/grounding/diet/bath/etc/etc) helped tremendously
and another says it made them sicker.

The point is this: it is very useful and helpful to exchange information and
share stories about what worked and didn't work for a particular person.
Just understand that other than giving ideas on what to try, this
information is almost irrelevant to another person's situation, and will
give little or no predictive value.

ES is a complicated issue. I am convinced that is it not even one issue, but
really many different conditions that manifest with a somewhat overlapping
set of symptoms. A simple analogy might be headaches, which have many
causes, many different manifestations, and certainly many different remedies
depending on the circumstances.

Of course, there are general rules that apply to everyone: improve your diet
and exercise, get fresh air, reduce your exposure to EMF, etc.

But don't be so sure that your cure will help someone else. And likewise,
don't be so sure that someone else's success or failure will be yours too.

Emil


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From: "Glitter Glitter" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, May 13, 2011 2:43 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Shielding


I have had absolutely no luck at all with any of that stuff. It would be
fine
if it worked just to keep frequencies out but it traps frequencies in, too,
which I especially notice with fabric - it messes with my personal
electrical
field. Apparently it must 'work' for someone or they wouldn't keep selling
it
but I seriously wonder how much good it actually does. It made me worse.




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From: valerie.kopach <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thu, May 12, 2011 12:03:03 PM
Subject: [eSens] Shielding

Hi ALL
Was wondering if anybody has had success with shielding from lessemf.com.
They
have shielding fabric made of cotton and copper, and then another shielding
made
of silver, which can be used to line hats.
I have trouble at my computer and watching TV. I am hoping to find something
that will help me tolerate these things better.





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I used to wonder why my microwave-shielding fabric was helpful, but not all the time.  Now I believe, in those times it didn't help, that it was b/c my dominant problem wasn't actually microwaves, but electric fields.  Then, when I tried to escape electric fields, I moved to locations with intermediate frequencies (e.g. kHz and low MHz).  Thus, I felt worse.

To get REAL relief, you pretty much have to consider all types of EMF together, and in the process also avoid solutions that have chemicals  (e.g., toxic wood finishing, flame retardants in mattresses, PVC outgassing, lead, etc.).  Even if you're not sensitive to chemicals, think of it as "not yet".  I believe we are all to some extent vulnerable.

After seeing how many forms of EMF I was exposed to, now I have a better understanding how even others who were exposed to the same cell tower radiation that I was, fared much better.  I'm guessing most of us became ES due to not just one type of EMF but multiple types of EMF, and perhaps in connection with other prior chemical toxicities (e.g., amalgams).  Some of us may have been more exposed to one form than another, and thus became more sensitized to one form than another.  However, in the end, I think we should be cautious for all forms of EMF and consider also chemicals as well

I know some have griped about how MCS treatments ignore ES considerations.  Likewise, ES treatments should take into account chemicals as well.  We need something all comprehensive.  

--- In [hidden email], "Emil at Less EMF Inc" <lessemf@...> wrote:

Puk replies - personality traits are one important factor, how one deals  
with a set of symptoms and circumstances makes a big difference to the
outcomes  and prognosis, simply how one deals with stress of the latter is a major
factor,  and wether they have sustainable coping strategies and the ability
to obtain  relief especially by escaping the agitant.
That said I have just summounted a problem with a Plasma TV which has  
haunted me for 3 yrs on a daily basis, looking at the type of signal and the  
frequency range ie low frequency and very spikey broadcasting off ever  
conductive materiael in my home and vicinity, it served to trigger the most  
prominent symptoms that ES can give me so I had no choice but to leave my house  
and family for many hours evry day for 3 yrs. I simply could not endure the  
effects.  It changed my personality, my oppionions of my fellow man, I was  
stressed and anxious most of the time, effectively I have felt like a
tortured  prisoner, and indeed looking back I am will need some time to come to
terms with  the fact that this daily torture regime is now over, my body is
still feeling  like a wolf is chasing after me and I have to keep telling
myself its over,  perhaps rather like a soldier who returns from a war zone,
you simply cant walk  down civvy street just like that without looking over
your shoulder and the  like.  Basically I finally let go of my anger to my
torturers ie those that  knowingly operated the Plasma TV in the light of the
fact that it cuased me so  much distress, I had parked a beaten up old car
outside the mans house and  waited for hime to get upset with me, It worked
and I let rip reminding him that  it was perfectly legal for me to park the
car outside his house, just as he used  the words to me about his operation of
the demonic plasma TV, I had long since  figured that the man was somewhat
autistic he lacked empathy and so on, it think  that the outburst of anger
finally jolted his autistic mind into realising that  he had to do something,
so we traded, i move the car he gets a new TV - He got  and LCD tv and the
signal is no more.  I am now repairing my phyche to cope  with the change
and already I feel so much more relieved - I have been in a war  of my own for
these past 3yrs, with no help from anyone , that was my prison and  my
torment - post traumatic stress is a term which I can now relate to and I  feel
sorry to the pits of my soul for those of you out there who are going  
through this right now, one battle has been one but there are many more in  
sight, I guess we have to take each moment a step at a time.
 
In a message dated 14/05/2011 01:38:38 GMT Daylight Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

ES is  a complicated issue. I am convinced that is it not even one issue,
but
>  really many different conditions that manifest with a somewhat  
overlapping
> set of symptoms. A simple analogy might be headaches,  which have many
> causes, many different manifestations, and certainly  many different
remedies
> depending on the circumstances.
>  



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I simply have to comment. First, I am so HAPPY you found a way to get
your autistic neighbor to get rid of the blasted plasma. Secondly, I whole
heartedly APPLAUD your ingenuity using the old beat up car and the
"perfectly legal example". Yes, I totally realize this was born out of
desperation...but  I AM SO PROUD OF YOU!! I have come to the same
conclusion that those who are autistic/toxic/completely dense- the
only way they seem to get it, is if we turn the tables on them and do
something like what you did, to MAKE THEM UNDERSTAND!
You are an inspiration. Thank you for sharing your story with us.
Blessings of Many
Lizzie
 


To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 08:29:18 -0400
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Shielding


 



Puk replies - personality traits are one important factor, how one deals
with a set of symptoms and circumstances makes a big difference to the
outcomes and prognosis, simply how one deals with stress of the latter is a major
factor, and wether they have sustainable coping strategies and the ability
to obtain relief especially by escaping the agitant.
That said I have just summounted a problem with a Plasma TV which has
haunted me for 3 yrs on a daily basis, looking at the type of signal and the
frequency range ie low frequency and very spikey broadcasting off ever
conductive materiael in my home and vicinity, it served to trigger the most
prominent symptoms that ES can give me so I had no choice but to leave my house
and family for many hours evry day for 3 yrs. I simply could not endure the
effects. It changed my personality, my oppionions of my fellow man, I was
stressed and anxious most of the time, effectively I have felt like a
tortured prisoner, and indeed looking back I am will need some time to come to
terms with the fact that this daily torture regime is now over, my body is
still feeling like a wolf is chasing after me and I have to keep telling
myself its over, perhaps rather like a soldier who returns from a war zone,
you simply cant walk down civvy street just like that without looking over
your shoulder and the like. Basically I finally let go of my anger to my
torturers ie those that knowingly operated the Plasma TV in the light of the
fact that it cuased me so much distress, I had parked a beaten up old car
outside the mans house and waited for hime to get upset with me, It worked
and I let rip reminding him that it was perfectly legal for me to park the
car outside his house, just as he used the words to me about his operation of
the demonic plasma TV, I had long since figured that the man was somewhat
autistic he lacked empathy and so on, it think that the outburst of anger
finally jolted his autistic mind into realising that he had to do something,
so we traded, i move the car he gets a new TV - He got and LCD tv and the
signal is no more. I am now repairing my phyche to cope with the change
and already I feel so much more relieved - I have been in a war of my own for
these past 3yrs, with no help from anyone , that was my prison and my
torment - post traumatic stress is a term which I can now relate to and I feel
sorry to the pits of my soul for those of you out there who are going
through this right now, one battle has been one but there are many more in
sight, I guess we have to take each moment a step at a time.

In a message dated 14/05/2011 01:38:38 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

ES is a complicated issue. I am convinced that is it not even one issue,
but
> really many different conditions that manifest with a somewhat
overlapping
> set of symptoms. A simple analogy might be headaches, which have many
> causes, many different manifestations, and certainly many different
remedies
> depending on the circumstances.
>

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Congrats on eliminating the plasma TV!

It's a war of the psyche when your neighbor's
TV hurts every time they put it on. I was
there as well. Post traumatic syndrome is a
good way of describing the condition.

Eli

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:

Hi, Andrew, 
 
I want to ask a question, but not in an argumentative way.  I am asking because if I am wrong, I truly want to know I am wrong, so I do not spread disinformation.
 
You mention it being necessary to "lower our body voltage".  Do you know that to be fact, Andrew?  I have gone on the assumption (and have been, personally, rewarded with better health and more tolerance to emfs by heeding this assumption) that I needed to raise my body's frequency/ voltage/ pH.  Or maybe what you said and what you meant are not the same?
 
I see it as this....  we start out with too low a voltage (also frequency and pH) and our bodies attract voltage from outside us, due to being too low.  The "body voltage" we need to get rid of is the unnatural voltage we pick up from emfs, which are electron stealers.  I do that--I sit and "ground" my body in places where I know the earth is pristinely free of ground currents and will carry my unwanted body pollutants away, while donating electrons back to me. 
 
However, at the same time, I have been actively working at raising my body's frequency/ cell voltage/ and pH to a more normal level.  I have done this a number of ways: thru eating more nutritious, organic, and unprocessed foods, and a more vegetable diet; natural supplements of various kinds--mainly to help my liver and various organs which have shown damage; hydrogen supplementation;  alkaline water; essential oils; herbs; detoxing out as many toxins as possible; frequent showers; salts soaks; gemstone necklaces with helpful frequencies; lots of green plants in my home; lots of nature walks/ hikes; other exercise (biking in nature, mini-tramp, pilates, beginners yoga, beginners QiGong)....  the list is long. 
 
Long before I knew voltage and pH go hand in hand, I was working at raising my pH with the end-game of raising my body's frequency, which I had only guessed, was low.  (I knew my pH was low from using pH test strips.)  However, each of these things I changed or did was ultimately helpful and healthful to me.  Each of these did raise my pH (and thus voltage, since voltage and pH automatically mirror one another.) 
 
So, I have been telling people privately to raise their voltage/ pH.  Yes, this is an individual thing--people have to test pH to see if it is low in the first place.  But you can see my dilemma here.  I am saying the polar opposite from what you just wrote.
 
Thanks, in advance, for your reply. 
Bless you,
Diane

--- On Thu, 5/12/11, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Shielding
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 2:15 PM


 



I recommend a EMF FACE SHIELD KIT
http://www.lessemf.com/computer.html

if your eyes and face are the most problem. Having fabric touch the
skin opens up a whole can of worms (electrical current, grounding, etc.)

I have had success wearing the overcoat at airports, on planes with
cell phones around, etc.
http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html
because it for the most part doesn't touch my skin directly.

There is much more to this story but if you can turn off as much power
to the room as possible (lower the body voltage) then you're dealing
mostly with just microwave/radio type radiation and not the electrical
current or magnetic fields from being close to a monitor or laptop.

One thing at a time.

Good luck!
Andrew

On May 12, 2011, at 2:03 PM, valerie.kopach wrote:








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I echo in on the congrats!

I replaced my family's plasma TV with LCD TV in recent months.  They were concerned that I had reached a new level of psychological paranoia.  For me the effects were a bit subtler, but I believe when I worked in the room beneath the TV room, that my ES worsened.   Just the fact that I could tell from the far end of the house whether it was on or off with my radio on AM mode was a bit disturbing.  Same for the dimmer switches.

--- In [hidden email], "ahappyhabitat" <ahappyhabitat@...> wrote:

Evie,

The body voltage concept comes from the institute of building biology, whose concept first originated in Germany, where they learned the hazards of both electric fields & chemicals.
http://www.buildingbiology.net/.  

You'll learn from Robert Becker, The Body Electric, that our body's healing system uses extremely small voltages.  Thus, the idea is that having an external voltage field is going to interfere with that healing system.  Building Biology guidelines call for very low voltages, e.g., <100 mV, and especially during sleeping time where recovery is most important:
http://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/International_Guidelines.htm

I think the ears can react to body voltage as well as microwaves.  Not sure if it's the voltage itself or spikiness of the voltage.

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

Hi, Emraware,
 
I guess what I am confused about is which "body" are we talking about here, when we talk about "body" voltage?  I understand that our bodies heal using small amounts of voltage (that is part of my premise for raising "body voltage"--so that my body has the reserves to heal itself.  I also know that outside electromagnetic frequencies interfere with that. 
 
But the term "body voltage" itself, throws me.  I think of "body voltage" as meaning our internal body voltage.  Meanwhile it appears that what others really mean when they say "body voltage" is the voltage their bodies take on from outside emfs.  I have even used the term on occasion to mean that, until I realized how confusing this term actually is.  This is an example of me knowing what I am thinking, but expecting others to know what I mean and think, too.  I finally decided to try to clear up my own confusion on the topic. 
 
I am a bit confused because people always use the term, as you just did, with healing in mind--lowering body voltage, with healing in mind.  Meanwhile, I find that what has worked for me is raising my internal body voltage via electron donation and pH, to a level higher than it was previously; to a healthful level that is more normal. 
 
While I feel that these emfs, which we find unhealthy, are not healthful to anyone, ill or well,  I also note that those of normal health do not take on the emfs like we, who are/ have been chronically ill, do.  Therefore, I decided to make my body more healthy and normal thru raising my pH and voltage, thinking that would help.  And for me it did.  But I am still confused about why "body voltage" is supposed to be lowered.  Doesn't it make more sense use a term like lower "aberrant" voltage from the outside?  Or do people actually mean it is necessary to lower the body's internal voltage?  If so, I can't subscribe to that kind of thinking.  (Unless one actually knows from tests their internal voltage is too high.)
 
Still confused on the subject,
Diane

--- On Sat, 5/14/11, emraware <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: emraware <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Shielding
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, May 14, 2011, 8:34 PM


 



Evie,

The body voltage concept comes from the institute of building biology, whose concept first originated in Germany, where they learned the hazards of both electric fields & chemicals.
http://www.buildingbiology.net/.

You'll learn from Robert Becker, The Body Electric, that our body's healing system uses extremely small voltages. Thus, the idea is that having an external voltage field is going to interfere with that healing system. Building Biology guidelines call for very low voltages, e.g., <100 mV, and especially during sleeping time where recovery is most important:
http://www.safelivingtechnologies.ca/International_Guidelines.htm

I think the ears can react to body voltage as well as microwaves. Not sure if it's the voltage itself or spikiness of the voltage.

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:







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This is a really good question.
If you don't mind, allow me to add my understanding of these points.
Coming at this from knowing the frequencies of quite a few essential oils, I know that Rose Oil has a frequency of 320.
With all the talk of "frequencies"  on these ES sites, I've come to the conclusion that there really are two different definitions for frequency. One is those low elf or high elf emf's...measurable with certain meters. The other definition is more like the body's vibration, the chi energy.
From researching the PH thing, what I've gotten is that the body's PH should be somewhere around 7, close to neutral. Under that means the body is acidic, and closer or above 7 means alkaline. Disease and unhealth can only thrive in an acidic body. Take an "accurate" PH reading of sick people and generally the PH will be 6 or under. Some believe really low PH levels, like 3 or 4 or prime environments for cancer. *By accurate, a reading taken first thing in the morning, spit in a spoon, dip the paper in the spoon...having taking no food or water prior to this reading. NOw for those who have tested their PH with urine, there seems to be a divided school of thought. Some believe urine will typically be lower, so that a 6.75 Urine reading will not necessary mean the body is acidic.
**NOTE: I have often challenged my cell phone happy friends, especially those who are really into the PH testing, to test their PH in the morning, prior to any cell phone use, and then test their PH again, after using their cell phones. So far the results are that cell phones LOWER the body's PH. Which means radiaiton causes the body to turn acidic and it happens VERY QUICKLY.
So  raising the body's PH, because often it is low, (like 5.75 or 6 or 6.25 )which really means it is too acidic.- is a good thing. But  I don't think raising the body's inner voltage is a good thing.
I think anytime we are surrounded by bad emf's, (high ele fields, high magnetic fields, or radiation) this causes the body's voltage to go way up....and it should be kept low.
I read somewhere that when people are surrounded by high ele or high magnetic fields, it causes the body to become "ungrounded". And when the body becomes ungrounded, it becomes much more susceptible to other emf's, like micro wave radiation. Whether this is true across the board, I don't know. But I do think that people who live in houses or spend alot of time in areas that have bad wiring or high magnetic fields, and this includes current in the water...I do think that this plays a large role in the ES conditon. I do not think it is the ONLY contributing factor, but I do think it plays a fairly large role. I also read a study  by the Electrical INstitute on childhood Leukemia where the scientists found that children living under high tension lines (high magnetic fields) also had homes where they had current in the water. They called it "contact current" and I thought this was very interesting because we had high current in our water, and my daughter reacted to this water. Now that I keep her away from the sink, and any running water...she has made huge  improvements. I keep 5 gal buckets filled with filtered water that is filled at night, when the current is the lowest, and I also treat the water using cosmic energy stones....So when she rinses a dish off, I keep a container in the sink filled with *this water, so she doesn't have to use tap water.
**(some of you may remember that there was quite a stir about these stones in an earlier post). However, for the record, I have tested her body voltage using tap water, PUR filter, R/O filter, and using this treated water and she has totally different body voltage readings....If she uses any water from the tap, whether its the PUR filter, or the tap, her body voltage IS HIGH. if she uses the bucket water, her body voltage stays low.
I don't know exactly how these stones work...but the results have been duplicated time and time again. And yes, what works for one may not work for another. I will make a point of stating that when using the stones, it is imperative to use ONLY filtered water. OUr water stays crystal clear for days on end, usng the stones. And because water is so truly important, I have an active experiment going on all the time with people I meet, who I have taste my water. So far, well over 25 people (I know that's not alot but its more then just my family) so far, every single one of them has said my water taste wonderful. Some of these people drink bottled water, some use the Britta filter, some use alkaline water, some use vortex water, some drink well water, and some use tap.  
I"ve also tested some friends who are cell phone happy, using the Body Voltage Meter...they all have HIGH body voltage. Is it a coincidence that they all have health issues? Some of these people had reading so high, it was off the charts on the meter!
Lizzie
 
 

 


To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Sat, 14 May 2011 17:05:13 -0700
Subject: Re: [eSens] Shielding


 



Hi, Andrew,  
 
I want to ask a question, but not in an argumentative way.  I am asking because if I am wrong, I truly want to know I am wrong, so I do not spread disinformation.
 
You mention it being necessary to "lower our body voltage".  Do you know that to be fact, Andrew?  I have gone on the assumption (and have been, personally, rewarded with better health and more tolerance to emfs by heeding this assumption) that I needed to raise my body's frequency/ voltage/ pH.  Or maybe what you said and what you meant are not the same?
 
I see it as this....  we start out with too low a voltage (also frequency and pH) and our bodies attract voltage from outside us, due to being too low.  The "body voltage" we need to get rid of is the unnatural voltage we pick up from emfs, which are electron stealers.  I do that--I sit and "ground" my body in places where I know the earth is pristinely free of ground currents and will carry my unwanted body pollutants away, while donating electrons back to me.  
 
However, at the same time, I have been actively working at raising my body's frequency/ cell voltage/ and pH to a more normal level.  I have done this a number of ways: thru eating more nutritious, organic, and unprocessed foods, and a more vegetable diet; natural supplements of various kinds--mainly to help my liver and various organs which have shown damage; hydrogen supplementation;  alkaline water; essential oils; herbs; detoxing out as many toxins as possible; frequent showers; salts soaks; gemstone necklaces with helpful frequencies; lots of green plants in my home; lots of nature walks/ hikes; other exercise (biking in nature, mini-tramp, pilates, beginners yoga, beginners QiGong)....  the list is long.  
 
Long before I knew voltage and pH go hand in hand, I was working at raising my pH with the end-game of raising my body's frequency, which I had only guessed, was low.  (I knew my pH was low from using pH test strips.)  However, each of these things I changed or did was ultimately helpful and healthful to me.  Each of these did raise my pH (and thus voltage, since voltage and pH automatically mirror one another.)  
 
So, I have been telling people privately to raise their voltage/ pH.  Yes, this is an individual thing--people have to test pH to see if it is low in the first place.  But you can see my dilemma here.  I am saying the polar opposite from what you just wrote.
 
Thanks, in advance, for your reply.  
Bless you,
Diane

--- On Thu, 5/12/11, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Shielding
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, May 12, 2011, 2:15 PM

 

I recommend a EMF FACE SHIELD KIT
http://www.lessemf.com/computer.html

if your eyes and face are the most problem. Having fabric touch the
skin opens up a whole can of worms (electrical current, grounding, etc.)

I have had success wearing the overcoat at airports, on planes with
cell phones around, etc.
http://www.lessemf.com/personal.html
because it for the most part doesn't touch my skin directly.

There is much more to this story but if you can turn off as much power
to the room as possible (lower the body voltage) then you're dealing
mostly with just microwave/radio type radiation and not the electrical
current or magnetic fields from being close to a monitor or laptop.

One thing at a time.

Good luck!
Andrew

On May 12, 2011, at 2:03 PM, valerie.kopach wrote:

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LCD TV is not LCD TV.

Be aware of that.

LCD TV's may emit also *dirty air*.

And there are great differences between the makes and types of those.
Even from one brand and dimensions, there may be great differences.
I found with f.i. Sony, that chaning the H into a V in the type number, did make a great difference.

Philips has good ones and very bad ones.

Samsung with a small blue light on the lower front is bad. Without that blue light many types of Samsung are good.

Before buying, one should check them in the stores, perhaps with a HAM radio.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton
 

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  From: emraware
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Sunday, May 15, 2011 2:17 AM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: Shielding


  I echo in on the congrats!

  I replaced my family's plasma TV with LCD TV in recent months.  They were concerned that I had reached a new level of psychological paranoia.  For me the effects were a bit subtler, but I believe when I worked in the room beneath the TV room, that my ES worsened.   Just the fact that I could tell from the far end of the house whether it was on or off with my radio on AM mode was a bit disturbing.  Same for the dimmer switches.

  --- In [hidden email], "ahappyhabitat" <ahappyhabitat@...> wrote:
  >
  >
  >
  > Congrats on eliminating the plasma TV!
  >
  > It's a war of the psyche when your neighbor's
  > TV hurts every time they put it on. I was
  > there as well. Post traumatic syndrome is a
  > good way of describing the condition.
  >
  > Eli
  >
  > --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@ wrote:
  > >
  > > Puk replies - personality traits are one important factor, how one deals  
  > > with a set of symptoms and circumstances makes a big difference to the
  > > outcomes  and prognosis, simply how one deals with stress of the latter is a major
  > > factor,  and wether they have sustainable coping strategies and the ability
  > > to obtain  relief especially by escaping the agitant.
  > > That said I have just summounted a problem with a Plasma TV which has  
  > > haunted me for 3 yrs on a daily basis, looking at the type of signal and the  
  > > frequency range ie low frequency and very spikey broadcasting off ever  
  > > conductive materiael in my home and vicinity, it served to trigger the most  
  > > prominent symptoms that ES can give me so I had no choice but to leave my house  
  > > and family for many hours evry day for 3 yrs. I simply could not endure the  
  > > effects.  It changed my personality, my oppionions of my fellow man, I was  
  > > stressed and anxious most of the time, effectively I have felt like a
  > > tortured  prisoner, and indeed looking back I am will need some time to come to
  > > terms with  the fact that this daily torture regime is now over, my body is
  > > still feeling  like a wolf is chasing after me and I have to keep telling
  > > myself its over,  perhaps rather like a soldier who returns from a war zone,
  > > you simply cant walk  down civvy street just like that without looking over
  > > your shoulder and the  like.  Basically I finally let go of my anger to my
  > > torturers ie those that  knowingly operated the Plasma TV in the light of the
  > > fact that it cuased me so  much distress, I had parked a beaten up old car
  > > outside the mans house and  waited for hime to get upset with me, It worked
  > > and I let rip reminding him that  it was perfectly legal for me to park the
  > > car outside his house, just as he used  the words to me about his operation of
  > > the demonic plasma TV, I had long since  figured that the man was somewhat
  > > autistic he lacked empathy and so on, it think  that the outburst of anger
  > > finally jolted his autistic mind into realising that  he had to do something,
  > > so we traded, i move the car he gets a new TV - He got  and LCD tv and the
  > > signal is no more.  I am now repairing my phyche to cope  with the change
  > > and already I feel so much more relieved - I have been in a war  of my own for
  > > these past 3yrs, with no help from anyone , that was my prison and  my
  > > torment - post traumatic stress is a term which I can now relate to and I  feel
  > > sorry to the pits of my soul for those of you out there who are going  
  > > through this right now, one battle has been one but there are many more in  
  > > sight, I guess we have to take each moment a step at a time.
  > >  
  > > In a message dated 14/05/2011 01:38:38 GMT Daylight Time,  
  > > emraware@ writes:
  > >
  > > ES is  a complicated issue. I am convinced that is it not even one issue,
  > > but
  > > >  really many different conditions that manifest with a somewhat  
  > > overlapping
  > > > set of symptoms. A simple analogy might be headaches,  which have many
  > > > causes, many different manifestations, and certainly  many different
  > > remedies
  > > > depending on the circumstances.
  > > >  
  > >
  > >
  > >
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  > >
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Evie,

To answer your question, when we talk about body voltage, we're talking specifically about the difference between your body (as a whole) and the ground/earth.  With a multimeter, one end is connected to earth, and the other end to yourself.  Then the voltage difference is measured.

If I understood correctly, you are talking about something different, which is voltages at the cell level.  I read that the voltage across a cell membrane may be -60 to -80 mV.

However, when we talk about body voltage measurements, we are looking for external voltages from electricity.  Outdoors, it is probably < 10 mV.  Indoors near electricity, it can easily go to 1000 mV and in some cases much higher (e.g., 5000 mV).  This can potentially interfere with our biological system which may rely on voltage gradients.


--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: