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Are you all familiar with the term Sensory Integration Disorder? It is usually applied to kids with autism or similar disorders. This term has been renamed Sensory Defensiveness. I believe that being EMF sensitive is another aspect of it.
The EM spectrum includes sight and sounds and motions. Right? Everything is waves... big ones, small ones, microwaves, etc, fast waves, slow waves... waves bother me. Sometimes I look at it like surfing... can you ride the wave, or is it going to wipe you out? I got carsick as a child. In the olden days cars had a grounding strap from the car that dragged along the ground. I have read that using these old fashioned straps will stop carsickness. It dispels static electricity. Now I have sort of another version of that - where I'm overwhelmed by motions, lights and sounds and odors. Sounds startle me (like a phone or doorbell or dog barking). Strobe lights really disturb me. Traffic is sights, sounds, movement that is kinda terrifying to me. EMFs are another part of the sensory piece. We just can't see or hear or smell it. We can "touch" or perceive it, and it affects the sense of balance. I used to shop for hours... for whatever - groceries, electronics, clothes... Now I can barely be IN a store - except if it has a whole lot of natural light. Outdoors is best. I realized that I cannot be for very long in any building with fluorescent lighting for very long. Now, if you add in that most stores are also loaded with chemicals and likely hit hard with pesticides, as well as numerous odors, THEN, try adding electronic EMFs to that mix... and see how we hold up (varies with each person). The worst store is Walmart - fluorescents, no natural light, chemicals, etc. Then, a few days ago, I went with my husband to a Sprint store. Wrong thing to do!! Hunreds of devices! I could not be in the store, so I went outside. Too hot. In and out.. There's a good site and several books by Sharon Heller, PhD. Her book "Too Loud, Too Bright, Too Fast, Too Tight" is worth reading and possibly helpful to us. It explains Sensory Defensiveness and ways to deal with it. Just another way to look at it maybe. Judy |
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JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it.....
My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. I look forward to learning more from this group. --- In [hidden email], "judyl_nev" <judyl_nev@...> wrote: > > Are you all familiar with the term Sensory Integration Disorder? It is usually applied to kids with autism or similar disorders. This term has been renamed Sensory Defensiveness. I believe that being EMF sensitive is another aspect of it. > > The EM spectrum includes sight and sounds and motions. Right? Everything is waves... big ones, small ones, microwaves, etc, fast waves, slow waves... waves bother me. Sometimes I look at it like surfing... can you ride the wave, or is it > going to wipe you out? > > I got carsick as a child. In the olden days cars had a grounding strap from the car that dragged along the ground. I have read that using these old fashioned straps will stop carsickness. It dispels static electricity. Now I have sort of another version of that - where I'm overwhelmed by motions, lights and sounds and odors. Sounds startle me (like a phone or doorbell or dog barking). Strobe lights really disturb me. Traffic is sights, sounds, movement that is kinda terrifying to me. EMFs are another part of the sensory piece. We just can't see or hear or smell it. We can "touch" or perceive it, and it affects the sense of balance. > > I used to shop for hours... for whatever - groceries, electronics, clothes... Now I can barely be IN a store - except if it has a whole lot of natural light. Outdoors is best. I realized that I cannot be for very long in any building with fluorescent lighting for very long. Now, if you add in that most stores are also loaded with chemicals and likely hit hard with pesticides, as well as numerous odors, THEN, try adding electronic EMFs to that mix... and see how we hold up (varies with each person). > > The worst store is Walmart - fluorescents, no natural light, chemicals, etc. > > Then, a few days ago, I went with my husband to a Sprint store. Wrong thing to do!! Hunreds of devices! I could not be in the store, so I went outside. Too hot. In and out.. > > There's a good site and several books by Sharon Heller, PhD. Her book "Too Loud, Too Bright, Too Fast, Too Tight" is worth reading and possibly helpful to us. It explains Sensory Defensiveness and ways to deal with it. > > Just another way to look at it maybe. > > Judy > |
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JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. I look forward to learning more from this group. To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:39:23 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Sensory Overload Are you all familiar with the term Sensory Integration Disorder? It is usually applied to kids with autism or similar disorders. This term has been renamed Sensory Defensiveness. I believe that being EMF sensitive is another aspect of it. The EM spectrum includes sight and sounds and motions. Right? Everything is waves... big ones, small ones, microwaves, etc, fast waves, slow waves... waves bother me. Sometimes I look at it like surfing... can you ride the wave, or is it going to wipe you out? I got carsick as a child. In the olden days cars had a grounding strap from the car that dragged along the ground. I have read that using these old fashioned straps will stop carsickness. It dispels static electricity. Now I have sort of another version of that - where I'm overwhelmed by motions, lights and sounds and odors. Sounds startle me (like a phone or doorbell or dog barking). Strobe lights really disturb me. Traffic is sights, sounds, movement that is kinda terrifying to me. EMFs are another part of the sensory piece. We just can't see or hear or smell it. We can "touch" or perceive it, and it affects the sense of balance. I used to shop for hours... for whatever - groceries, electronics, clothes... Now I can barely be IN a store - except if it has a whole lot of natural light. Outdoors is best. I realized that I cannot be for very long in any building with fluorescent lighting for very long. Now, if you add in that most stores are also loaded with chemicals and likely hit hard with pesticides, as well as numerous odors, THEN, try adding electronic EMFs to that mix... and see how we hold up (varies with each person). The worst store is Walmart - fluorescents, no natural light, chemicals, etc. Then, a few days ago, I went with my husband to a Sprint store. Wrong thing to do!! Hunreds of devices! I could not be in the store, so I went outside. Too hot. In and out.. There's a good site and several books by Sharon Heller, PhD. Her book "Too Loud, Too Bright, Too Fast, Too Tight" is worth reading and possibly helpful to us. It explains Sensory Defensiveness and ways to deal with it. Just another way to look at it maybe. Judy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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"However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why' You may have solved the mystery in your quote. Lets see if other posters can find the clue..... ________________________________ From: gliz23 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 5:53 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. I look forward to learning more from this group. --- In [hidden email], "judyl_nev" <judyl_nev@...> wrote: > > Are you all familiar with the term Sensory Integration Disorder? It is usually applied to kids with autism or similar disorders. This term has been renamed Sensory Defensiveness. I believe that being EMF sensitive is another aspect of it. > > The EM spectrum includes sight and sounds and motions. Right? Everything is waves... big ones, small ones, microwaves, etc, fast waves, slow waves... waves bother me. Sometimes I look at it like surfing... can you ride the wave, or is it > going to wipe you out? > > I got carsick as a child. In the olden days cars had a grounding strap from the car that dragged along the ground. I have read that using these old fashioned straps will stop carsickness. It dispels static electricity. Now I have sort of another version of that - where I'm overwhelmed by motions, lights and sounds and odors. Sounds startle me (like a phone or doorbell or dog barking). Strobe lights really disturb me. Traffic is sights, sounds, movement that is kinda terrifying to me. EMFs are another part of the sensory piece. We just can't see or hear or smell it. We can "touch" or perceive it, and it affects the sense of balance. > > I used to shop for hours... for whatever - groceries, electronics, clothes... Now I can barely be IN a store - except if it has a whole lot of natural light. Outdoors is best. I realized that I cannot be for very long in any building with fluorescent lighting for very long. Now, if you add in that most stores are also loaded with chemicals and likely hit hard with pesticides, as well as numerous odors, THEN, try adding electronic EMFs to that mix... and see how we hold up (varies with each person). > > The worst store is Walmart - fluorescents, no natural light, chemicals, etc. > > Then, a few days ago, I went with my husband to a Sprint store. Wrong thing to do!! Hunreds of devices! I could not be in the store, so I went outside. Too hot. In and out.. > > There's a good site and several books by Sharon Heller, PhD. Her book "Too Loud, Too Bright, Too Fast, Too Tight" is worth reading and possibly helpful to us. It explains Sensory Defensiveness and ways to deal with it. > > Just another way to look at it maybe. > > Judy > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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What is the clue Al saw? Is it "tolerate"?
Fluorescent lights are one of my worst offenders, especially CFLs. The four foot fluorescents don't seem as bad? I can tolerate only about 10 minutes near CFL lighting. I'm curious how you tolerate your classroom now, not before, and why it is more tolerable than your apartment. My sister teaches also. She also is more comfortable at school than at home. Her home is an EMF nightmare. I can't stand being there, it is so uncomfortale. Her husband doesn't believe EMFs cause any problem, so refuses to make any changes. In the meantime, everyone in the house is losing ground with their health. I'm also curious about laptops and computers. I used to spend much time on my laptop, before that - a plugged in computer. Now I avoid them altogether (except when I have to print something). I've tried to figure out which component is bothering me, and I don't know. I believe it is the monitor, not the computer itself. I don't think it's flicker, cause it bothers me when I'm not looking at the screen. What occured to me recently is that I wonder if the problem for me is the BATTERY? And maybe that's why small devices don't bother me much, and larger ones do. My sensitivity changes. Every time I have something happen that is emotionaly challenging, sympoms get worse as do food intolerances. One of the things I'm playing with is sort of EMF Feng Shui. In my home there are "hot spots" where I can't stand to be. I rearranged furniture, TV, computers, lamps around. I measured the dirty electricity first. Then remeasured. My son came for several weeks. He has a powerful computer. We had to change the wall it was plugged into to lower the dirty electricity, then things got quieter. I have been really stunned by the dirty electricity thing. Fixing that made a huge difference in my house. Previously I had some LED bulbs that upped the dirty electricity. Also, when I can, I turn off many of the circuit breakers. Also, do you have a smart meter? Is that contributing to home problems? The meter I have causes problems. Judy --- In [hidden email], ginneen smith <GINNEEN@...> wrote: > > hope i posted correctly > JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... > My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. > However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. > Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. > I look forward to learning more from this group. > To: [hidden email] > From: judyl_nev@... > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:39:23 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Sensory Overload > > |
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I believe that "previous home" was the clue. It means that she moved away from something that was propagating into her bedroom . She is feeling better because she is sleeping better. The pineal gland is able to produce more melatonin and therefor the body is able to repair the damage incurred throughout the day.
________________________________ From: judyl_nev <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:22 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload What is the clue Al saw? Is it "tolerate"? Fluorescent lights are one of my worst offenders, especially CFLs. The four foot fluorescents don't seem as bad? I can tolerate only about 10 minutes near CFL lighting. I'm curious how you tolerate your classroom now, not before, and why it is more tolerable than your apartment. My sister teaches also. She also is more comfortable at school than at home. Her home is an EMF nightmare. I can't stand being there, it is so uncomfortale. Her husband doesn't believe EMFs cause any problem, so refuses to make any changes. In the meantime, everyone in the house is losing ground with their health. I'm also curious about laptops and computers. I used to spend much time on my laptop, before that - a plugged in computer. Now I avoid them altogether (except when I have to print something). I've tried to figure out which component is bothering me, and I don't know. I believe it is the monitor, not the computer itself. I don't think it's flicker, cause it bothers me when I'm not looking at the screen. What occured to me recently is that I wonder if the problem for me is the BATTERY? And maybe that's why small devices don't bother me much, and larger ones do. My sensitivity changes. Every time I have something happen that is emotionaly challenging, sympoms get worse as do food intolerances. One of the things I'm playing with is sort of EMF Feng Shui. In my home there are "hot spots" where I can't stand to be. I rearranged furniture, TV, computers, lamps around. I measured the dirty electricity first. Then remeasured. My son came for several weeks. He has a powerful computer. We had to change the wall it was plugged into to lower the dirty electricity, then things got quieter. I have been really stunned by the dirty electricity thing. Fixing that made a huge difference in my house. Previously I had some LED bulbs that upped the dirty electricity. Also, when I can, I turn off many of the circuit breakers. Also, do you have a smart meter? Is that contributing to home problems? The meter I have causes problems. Judy --- In [hidden email], ginneen smith <GINNEEN@...> wrote: > > hope i posted correctly > JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... > My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. > However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. > Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. > I look forward to learning more from this group. > To: [hidden email] > From: judyl_nev@... > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:39:23 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Sensory Overload > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Thank you Judy! I just ordered the book. Walmart kills me too and now we have a new Target and I am limited to probably 15 in there right now. I think its the lights, electronics etc plus the newness of the carpet, paint etc. Your post sounded so much like me. Then when I read excepts of the book, she sounded like me! No brainer on ordering.
thanks again Aimee ________________________________ From: gliz23 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 6:53 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. I look forward to learning more from this group. --- In mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com, "judyl_nev" <judyl_nev@...> wrote: > > Are you all familiar with the term Sensory Integration Disorder? It is usually applied to kids with autism or similar disorders. This term has been renamed Sensory Defensiveness. I believe that being EMF sensitive is another aspect of it. > > The EM spectrum includes sight and sounds and motions. Right? Everything is waves... big ones, small ones, microwaves, etc, fast waves, slow waves... waves bother me. Sometimes I look at it like surfing... can you ride the wave, or is it > going to wipe you out? > > I got carsick as a child. In the olden days cars had a grounding strap from the car that dragged along the ground. I have read that using these old fashioned straps will stop carsickness. It dispels static electricity. Now I have sort of another version of that - where I'm overwhelmed by motions, lights and sounds and odors. Sounds startle me (like a phone or doorbell or dog barking). Strobe lights really disturb me. Traffic is sights, sounds, movement that is kinda terrifying to me. EMFs are another part of the sensory piece. We just can't see or hear or smell it. We can "touch" or perceive it, and it affects the sense of balance. > > I used to shop for hours... for whatever - groceries, electronics, clothes... Now I can barely be IN a store - except if it has a whole lot of natural light. Outdoors is best. I realized that I cannot be for very long in any building with fluorescent lighting for very long. Now, if you add in that most stores are also loaded with chemicals and likely hit hard with pesticides, as well as numerous odors, THEN, try adding electronic EMFs to that mix... and see how we hold up (varies with each person). > > The worst store is Walmart - fluorescents, no natural light, chemicals, etc. > > Then, a few days ago, I went with my husband to a Sprint store. Wrong thing to do!! Hunreds of devices! I could not be in the store, so I went outside. Too hot. In and out.. > > There's a good site and several books by Sharon Heller, PhD. Her book "Too Loud, Too Bright, Too Fast, Too Tight" is worth reading and possibly helpful to us. It explains Sensory Defensiveness and ways to deal with it. > > Just another way to look at it maybe. > > Judy > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I think your comment about the pineal gland and sleep is right on - that's the key starting point for recovery. Having constant EMF sources on at night is like leaving a flicking light on all night. (EMR is light at a slower wavelength). My son was diagnosed with sensory integration dysfunction about 12 years ago. My nervous system is just as sensitive as his, so I feel all the same things. Reducing sensory triggers helped us and so did detox, but it didn't completely resolve it. I finally started to see EMF as a sensory trigger back in 2007. It has been a long road to finding experts that can help - if you have a building biologist in your area, that is really helpful: http://hbelc.org/findexpert/enviroconsult.html We have made great progress reducing EMFs and slowly seeing the sensory overload melt away. In retrospect, I think I did everything backwards. If I was going to do it all again, I would: 1) Turn off DECT cordless phone base stations at night. (ideally, all the time). The roll out of this continuous source of digital wireless seems to coincide with the steep inflection in the autism rate around 1987-1998. 2) Turn off wi-fi at night as well. (with software config or a timer). 3) Reduce dirty electrical noise in the child's bedroom. 4) Of course, if you use s baby monitor - unplug it - it's also a constant source of digital wireless noise. Resources: My letter to the FCC on this topic: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view;jsessionid=wGlkRPRTXchnmJJ3GFnXWKCvqv4dBTJyJhfJyrPrrgDk12gk6sdY!-1272756975!1291806534?id=7520926073 The FCC is taking letters on this topic until Sept 3. Martha Herbert's (Harvard) paper on autism and EMF: http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/sec20_2012_Findings_in_Autism.pdf A shorter paper on autism and EMF: http://www.academicjournals.org/ijmms/PDF/pdf2013/Apr/Ahuja%20et%20al.pdf An electrosensitve MD in California who treats autism with steps "1 &2" above and is getting some remarkable results: http://www.mdiwellness.com/toril-jelter-md.html My favorite EMF Safety resources: http://pinterest.com/petermsullivan/emf-safety/ --- In [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@...> wrote: > > I believe that "previous home" was the clue. It means that she moved away from something that was propagating into her bedroom . She is feeling better because she is sleeping better. The pineal gland is able to produce more melatonin and therefor the body is able to repair the damage incurred throughout the day. > > > ________________________________ > From: judyl_nev <judyl_nev@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:22 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > > >  > What is the clue Al saw? Is it "tolerate"? > > Fluorescent lights are one of my worst offenders, especially CFLs. The four foot fluorescents don't seem as bad? I can tolerate only about 10 minutes near CFL lighting. > > I'm curious how you tolerate your classroom now, not before, and why it is more tolerable than your apartment. My sister teaches also. She also is more comfortable at school than at home. Her home is an EMF nightmare. I can't stand being there, it is so uncomfortale. Her husband doesn't believe EMFs cause any problem, so refuses to make any changes. In the meantime, everyone in the house is losing ground with their health. > > I'm also curious about laptops and computers. I used to spend much time on my laptop, before that - a plugged in computer. Now I avoid them altogether (except when I have to print something). I've tried to figure out which component is bothering me, and I don't know. I believe it is the monitor, not the computer itself. I don't think it's flicker, cause it bothers me when I'm not looking at the screen. What occured to me recently is that I wonder if the problem for me is the BATTERY? And maybe that's why small devices don't bother me much, and larger ones do. > > My sensitivity changes. Every time I have something happen that is emotionaly challenging, sympoms get worse as do food intolerances. > > One of the things I'm playing with is sort of EMF Feng Shui. In my home there are "hot spots" where I can't stand to be. I rearranged furniture, TV, computers, lamps around. I measured the dirty electricity first. Then remeasured. My son came for several weeks. He has a powerful computer. We had to change the wall it was plugged into to lower the dirty electricity, then things got quieter. I have been really stunned by the dirty electricity thing. Fixing that made a huge difference in my house. > > Previously I had some LED bulbs that upped the dirty electricity. Also, when I can, I turn off many of the circuit breakers. Also, do you have a smart meter? Is that contributing to home problems? The meter I have causes problems. > > Judy > > --- In [hidden email], ginneen smith <GINNEEN@> wrote: > > > > hope i posted correctly > > JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... > > My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. > > However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. > > Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. > > I look forward to learning more from this group. > > To: [hidden email] > > From: judyl_nev@ > > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:39:23 +0000 > > Subject: [eSens] Sensory Overload > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Hi all, I'm Ginneen
I just saw the post regarding the questions about tolerating my classroom. I'm so sorry that I haven't been on more - BUT, lol, i'm sure you guys can understand...... The only thing that I ever did to try to alleviate symptoms was the chelation early on. But even that was less than minimal. perhaps it did something overtime. who knows. However, I've been in the same classroom since I first encountered this 4 years ago. The only thing that makes sense to me is that there aren't as many outlets as in my apartment. my classroom is huge, whereas my apartment is a regular wifi-ready apartment, with like two outlets on every wall, small amount of square footage - i just feel as if everything is on top of me. TV continues to be a problem - the infrared light beam, the outlets around my sofa - often when it's bad I have the tv at an angle, push the remote away, make sure i'm not sitting on the sofa in front of the side outlet and the one behind it. It's awful. When it first occured, and i might have mentioned this earlier, in the classroom I had to have just natural light. we kept the flourescents off, the computers off. I was so sensitive that i had to ask the kiddies not to wear watches or sneak video games into the class. And when they did, I knew it and could find out exactly who had brought something in by just feeling the radiation. I'd go over to that person and confiscate it. It was very bizarre. My colleagues couldn't even come in with their cell phones it affected me immediately. I haven't worn a watch in four years. Today, we can have the lights on and the computers on. I even have a promethean board - which I was very scared to get and scared NOT to get. However, I think that my body has become acclimated to my home away from home. sometimes i'll feel something but it just requires me to move away and it passes. Only occassionally after being in there from 7:00am until 7pm my body starts to wear down. And, because I tolerate it doesn't mean I don't worry - because I know it's not gone. So what's happening inside plagues me all the time. Same for my car - it was intolerable, less intolerable now. Today I unplug the wifi at night, and the circuit breaker is my saviour. whatever i'm not using i shut down. What has also helped with the swelling of my feet when on my laptop at home is wearing the socks that are prescribed that help with circulation problems. I've been doing that for two weeks at home because I was experiencing extreme swelling in my feet and lower legs when working on the computer - so my feet and legs are happier. Right now on the laptop at home, i have tingling, pain, burning and itching in my chest arms and finger and face. I also used to live with someone who had no sensitivity to my situation, so it was a fighting battle to say I need this off or that off. LOL, i remember that sometimes I'd be in the kitchen washing dishes and had to turn the refrigerator off while i was in there. That sure didn't go over well when I'd forget to turn it back on when I was done. The things that I've had to do. Church was also real bad. everyone has some electronic device and the lights and the electrical equipment for the stage. It's horrible. I'm very happy someone decided to open this forum up. I don't feel so strange and alone. To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:24:26 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload I think your comment about the pineal gland and sleep is right on - that's the key starting point for recovery. Having constant EMF sources on at night is like leaving a flicking light on all night. (EMR is light at a slower wavelength). My son was diagnosed with sensory integration dysfunction about 12 years ago. My nervous system is just as sensitive as his, so I feel all the same things. Reducing sensory triggers helped us and so did detox, but it didn't completely resolve it. I finally started to see EMF as a sensory trigger back in 2007. It has been a long road to finding experts that can help - if you have a building biologist in your area, that is really helpful: http://hbelc.org/findexpert/enviroconsult.html We have made great progress reducing EMFs and slowly seeing the sensory overload melt away. In retrospect, I think I did everything backwards. If I was going to do it all again, I would: 1) Turn off DECT cordless phone base stations at night. (ideally, all the time). The roll out of this continuous source of digital wireless seems to coincide with the steep inflection in the autism rate around 1987-1998. 2) Turn off wi-fi at night as well. (with software config or a timer). 3) Reduce dirty electrical noise in the child's bedroom. 4) Of course, if you use s baby monitor - unplug it - it's also a constant source of digital wireless noise. Resources: My letter to the FCC on this topic: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view;jsessionid=wGlkRPRTXchnmJJ3GFnXWKCvqv4dBTJyJhfJyrPrrgDk12gk6sdY!-1272756975!1291806534?id=7520926073 The FCC is taking letters on this topic until Sept 3. Martha Herbert's (Harvard) paper on autism and EMF: http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/sec20_2012_Findings_in_Autism.pdf A shorter paper on autism and EMF: http://www.academicjournals.org/ijmms/PDF/pdf2013/Apr/Ahuja%20et%20al.pdf An electrosensitve MD in California who treats autism with steps "1 &2" above and is getting some remarkable results: http://www.mdiwellness.com/toril-jelter-md.html My favorite EMF Safety resources: http://pinterest.com/petermsullivan/emf-safety/ --- In [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@...> wrote: > > I believe that "previous home" was the clue. It means that she moved away from something that was propagating into her bedroom . She is feeling better because she is sleeping better. The pineal gland is able to produce more melatonin and therefor the body is able to repair the damage incurred throughout the day. > > > ________________________________ > From: judyl_nev <judyl_nev@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:22 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > > >  > What is the clue Al saw? Is it "tolerate"? > > Fluorescent lights are one of my worst offenders, especially CFLs. The four foot fluorescents don't seem as bad? I can tolerate only about 10 minutes near CFL lighting. > > I'm curious how you tolerate your classroom now, not before, and why it is more tolerable than your apartment. My sister teaches also. She also is more comfortable at school than at home. Her home is an EMF nightmare. I can't stand being there, it is so uncomfortale. Her husband doesn't believe EMFs cause any problem, so refuses to make any changes. In the meantime, everyone in the house is losing ground with their health. > > I'm also curious about laptops and computers. I used to spend much time on my laptop, before that - a plugged in computer. Now I avoid them altogether (except when I have to print something). I've tried to figure out which component is bothering me, and I don't know. I believe it is the monitor, not the computer itself. I don't think it's flicker, cause it bothers me when I'm not looking at the screen. What occured to me recently is that I wonder if the problem for me is the BATTERY? And maybe that's why small devices don't bother me much, and larger ones do. > > My sensitivity changes. Every time I have something happen that is emotionaly challenging, sympoms get worse as do food intolerances. > > One of the things I'm playing with is sort of EMF Feng Shui. In my home there are "hot spots" where I can't stand to be. I rearranged furniture, TV, computers, lamps around. I measured the dirty electricity first. Then remeasured. My son came for several weeks. He has a powerful computer. We had to change the wall it was plugged into to lower the dirty electricity, then things got quieter. I have been really stunned by the dirty electricity thing. Fixing that made a huge difference in my house. > > Previously I had some LED bulbs that upped the dirty electricity. Also, when I can, I turn off many of the circuit breakers. Also, do you have a smart meter? Is that contributing to home problems? The meter I have causes problems. > > Judy > > --- In [hidden email], ginneen smith <GINNEEN@> wrote: > > > > hope i posted correctly > > JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... > > My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. > > However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. > > Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. > > I look forward to learning more from this group. > > To: [hidden email] > > From: judyl_nev@ > > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:39:23 +0000 > > Subject: [eSens] Sensory Overload > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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your sensitivity seems to have gone along a similar path to mine, I think
when you first experience the symptoms your mind and body go into a real panic and thus you become over-sensitised to anything over and above your ES, over time as you realise that you can do much to help yourself and that the feelings and sensations you experience are not necessarily going to kill you on the spot your nervous system/mind becomes more reassured that the threat is manageable and does not induce an over-over reaction, the ES remains all the same and ebbs and flows or rises and falls on a sort of parabolic curve depending on numerous factors. When I manage to find employment as a Building Surveyor I find that one chair/desk location can finish me off with brain fog in minutes whereas others can take much longer, and of course you can begin to become accustomed to feeling like crap in one location, bit like getting used to the stone in a shoe, you have the intention of getting it out when the time is right, that time can go on for too long of cours and you get a little more injured on the way. With regards your flat, for me I could not live in one just to many options for getting fried by the neighbours. puk In a message dated 8/18/2013 2:45:35 P.M. Dateline Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: Hi all, I'm Ginneen I just saw the post regarding the questions about tolerating my classroom. I'm so sorry that I haven't been on more - BUT, lol, i'm sure you guys can understand...... The only thing that I ever did to try to alleviate symptoms was the chelation early on. But even that was less than minimal. perhaps it did something overtime. who knows. However, I've been in the same classroom since I first encountered this 4 years ago. The only thing that makes sense to me is that there aren't as many outlets as in my apartment. my classroom is huge, whereas my apartment is a regular wifi-ready apartment, with like two outlets on every wall, small amount of square footage - i just feel as if everything is on top of me. TV continues to be a problem - the infrared light beam, the outlets around my sofa - often when it's bad I have the tv at an angle, push the remote away, make sure i'm not sitting on the sofa in front of the side outlet and the one behind it. It's awful. When it first occured, and i might have mentioned this earlier, in the classroom I had to have just natural light. we kept the flourescents off, the computers off. I was so sensitive that i had to ask the kiddies not to wear watches or sneak video games into the class. And when they did, I knew it and could find out exactly who had brought something in by just feeling the radiation. I'd go over to that person and confiscate it. It was very bizarre. My colleagues couldn't even come in with their cell phones it affected me immediately. I haven't worn a watch in four years. Today, we can have the lights on and the computers on. I even have a promethean board - which I was very scared to get and scared NOT to get. However, I think that my body has become acclimated to my home away from home. sometimes i'll feel something but it just requires me to move away and it passes. Only occassionally after being in there from 7:00am until 7pm my body starts to wear down. And, because I tolerate it doesn't mean I don't worry - because I know it's not gone. So what's happening inside plagues me all the time. Same for my car - it was intolerable, less intolerable now. Today I unplug the wifi at night, and the circuit breaker is my saviour. whatever i'm not using i shut down. What has also helped with the swelling of my feet when on my laptop at home is wearing the socks that are prescribed that help with circulation problems. I've been doing that for two weeks at home because I was experiencing extreme swelling in my feet and lower legs when working on the computer - so my feet and legs are happier. Right now on the laptop at home, i have tingling, pain, burning and itching in my chest arms and finger and face. I also used to live with someone who had no sensitivity to my situation, so it was a fighting battle to say I need this off or that off. LOL, i remember that sometimes I'd be in the kitchen washing dishes and had to turn the refrigerator off while i was in there. That sure didn't go over well when I'd forget to turn it back on when I was done. The things that I've had to do. Church was also real bad. everyone has some electronic device and the lights and the electrical equipment for the stage. It's horrible. I'm very happy someone decided to open this forum up. I don't feel so strange and alone. To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:24:26 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload I think your comment about the pineal gland and sleep is right on - that's the key starting point for recovery. Having constant EMF sources on at night is like leaving a flicking light on all night. (EMR is light at a slower wavelength). My son was diagnosed with sensory integration dysfunction about 12 years ago. My nervous system is just as sensitive as his, so I feel all the same things. Reducing sensory triggers helped us and so did detox, but it didn't completely resolve it. I finally started to see EMF as a sensory trigger back in 2007. It has been a long road to finding experts that can help - if you have a building biologist in your area, that is really helpful: http://hbelc.org/findexpert/enviroconsult.html We have made great progress reducing EMFs and slowly seeing the sensory overload melt away. In retrospect, I think I did everything backwards. If I was going to do it all again, I would: 1) Turn off DECT cordless phone base stations at night. (ideally, all the time). The roll out of this continuous source of digital wireless seems to coincide with the steep inflection in the autism rate around 1987-1998. 2) Turn off wi-fi at night as well. (with software config or a timer). 3) Reduce dirty electrical noise in the child's bedroom. 4) Of course, if you use s baby monitor - unplug it - it's also a constant source of digital wireless noise. Resources: My letter to the FCC on this topic: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view;jsessionid=wGlkRPRTXchnmJJ3GFnXWKCvqv 4dBTJyJhfJyrPrrgDk12gk6sdY!-1272756975!1291806534?id=7520926073 The FCC is taking letters on this topic until Sept 3. Martha Herbert's (Harvard) paper on autism and EMF: http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/sec20_2012_Findi ngs_in_Autism.pdf A shorter paper on autism and EMF: http://www.academicjournals.org/ijmms/PDF/pdf2013/Apr/Ahuja%20et%20al.pdf An electrosensitve MD in California who treats autism with steps "1 &2" above and is getting some remarkable results: http://www.mdiwellness.com/toril-jelter-md.html My favorite EMF Safety resources: http://pinterest.com/petermsullivan/emf-safety/ --- In [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@...> wrote: > > I believe that "previous home" was the clue. It means that she moved away from something that was propagating into her bedroom . She is feeling better because she is sleeping better. The pineal gland is able to produce more melatonin and therefor the body is able to repair the damage incurred throughout the day. > > > ________________________________ > From: judyl_nev <judyl_nev@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:22 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > > >  > What is the clue Al saw? Is it "tolerate"? > > Fluorescent lights are one of my worst offenders, especially CFLs. The minutes near CFL lighting. > > I'm curious how you tolerate your classroom now, not before, and why it is more tolerable than your apartment. My sister teaches also. She also is more comfortable at school than at home. Her home is an EMF nightmare. I can't stand being there, it is so uncomfortale. Her husband doesn't believe EMFs cause any problem, so refuses to make any changes. In the meantime, everyone in the house is losing ground with their health. > > I'm also curious about laptops and computers. I used to spend much time on my laptop, before that - a plugged in computer. Now I avoid them altogether (except when I have to print something). I've tried to figure out which component is bothering me, and I don't know. I believe it is the monitor, not the computer itself. I don't think it's flicker, cause it bothers me when I'm not looking at the screen. What occured to me recently is that I wonder if the problem for me is the BATTERY? And maybe that's why small devices don't bother me much, and larger ones do. > > My sensitivity changes. Every time I have something happen that is emotionaly challenging, sympoms get worse as do food intolerances. > > One of the things I'm playing with is sort of EMF Feng Shui. In my home there are "hot spots" where I can't stand to be. I rearranged furniture, TV, computers, lamps around. I measured the dirty electricity first. Then remeasured. My son came for several weeks. He has a powerful computer. We had to change the wall it was plugged into to lower the dirty electricity, then things got quieter. I have been really stunned by the dirty electricity thing. Fixing that made a huge difference in my house. > > Previously I had some LED bulbs that upped the dirty electricity. Also, when I can, I turn off many of the circuit breakers. Also, do you have a smart meter? Is that contributing to home problems? The meter I have causes problems. > > Judy > > --- In [hidden email], ginneen smith <GINNEEN@> wrote: > > > > hope i posted correctly > > JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... > > My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. > > However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. > > Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. > > I look forward to learning more from this group. > > To: [hidden email] > > From: judyl_nev@ > > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:39:23 +0000 > > Subject: [eSens] Sensory Overload > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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So Paul, my neighbors are one thing in the apt. I take it you live in a house. Does turning off the circuit breakers help 100% or are there other interferences like cell towers and such. And I also take it your house is not connected to another. I stayed in a house for awhile - which was a separate unit, but others didn't take it seriously so I wasn't able to control ciruit breakers - but I also found that later housing has as many electrical outlets as an apartment - very bothersome. How'd you get around all that?
To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:52:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload your sensitivity seems to have gone along a similar path to mine, I think when you first experience the symptoms your mind and body go into a real panic and thus you become over-sensitised to anything over and above your ES, over time as you realise that you can do much to help yourself and that the feelings and sensations you experience are not necessarily going to kill you on the spot your nervous system/mind becomes more reassured that the threat is manageable and does not induce an over-over reaction, the ES remains all the same and ebbs and flows or rises and falls on a sort of parabolic curve depending on numerous factors. When I manage to find employment as a Building Surveyor I find that one chair/desk location can finish me off with brain fog in minutes whereas others can take much longer, and of course you can begin to become accustomed to feeling like crap in one location, bit like getting used to the stone in a shoe, you have the intention of getting it out when the time is right, that time can go on for too long of cours and you get a little more injured on the way. With regards your flat, for me I could not live in one just to many options for getting fried by the neighbours. puk In a message dated 8/18/2013 2:45:35 P.M. Dateline Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: Hi all, I'm Ginneen I just saw the post regarding the questions about tolerating my classroom. I'm so sorry that I haven't been on more - BUT, lol, i'm sure you guys can understand...... The only thing that I ever did to try to alleviate symptoms was the chelation early on. But even that was less than minimal. perhaps it did something overtime. who knows. However, I've been in the same classroom since I first encountered this 4 years ago. The only thing that makes sense to me is that there aren't as many outlets as in my apartment. my classroom is huge, whereas my apartment is a regular wifi-ready apartment, with like two outlets on every wall, small amount of square footage - i just feel as if everything is on top of me. TV continues to be a problem - the infrared light beam, the outlets around my sofa - often when it's bad I have the tv at an angle, push the remote away, make sure i'm not sitting on the sofa in front of the side outlet and the one behind it. It's awful. When it first occured, and i might have mentioned this earlier, in the classroom I had to have just natural light. we kept the flourescents off, the computers off. I was so sensitive that i had to ask the kiddies not to wear watches or sneak video games into the class. And when they did, I knew it and could find out exactly who had brought something in by just feeling the radiation. I'd go over to that person and confiscate it. It was very bizarre. My colleagues couldn't even come in with their cell phones it affected me immediately. I haven't worn a watch in four years. Today, we can have the lights on and the computers on. I even have a promethean board - which I was very scared to get and scared NOT to get. However, I think that my body has become acclimated to my home away from home. sometimes i'll feel something but it just requires me to move away and it passes. Only occassionally after being in there from 7:00am until 7pm my body starts to wear down. And, because I tolerate it doesn't mean I don't worry - because I know it's not gone. So what's happening inside plagues me all the time. Same for my car - it was intolerable, less intolerable now. Today I unplug the wifi at night, and the circuit breaker is my saviour. whatever i'm not using i shut down. What has also helped with the swelling of my feet when on my laptop at home is wearing the socks that are prescribed that help with circulation problems. I've been doing that for two weeks at home because I was experiencing extreme swelling in my feet and lower legs when working on the computer - so my feet and legs are happier. Right now on the laptop at home, i have tingling, pain, burning and itching in my chest arms and finger and face. I also used to live with someone who had no sensitivity to my situation, so it was a fighting battle to say I need this off or that off. LOL, i remember that sometimes I'd be in the kitchen washing dishes and had to turn the refrigerator off while i was in there. That sure didn't go over well when I'd forget to turn it back on when I was done. The things that I've had to do. Church was also real bad. everyone has some electronic device and the lights and the electrical equipment for the stage. It's horrible. I'm very happy someone decided to open this forum up. I don't feel so strange and alone. To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:24:26 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload I think your comment about the pineal gland and sleep is right on - that's the key starting point for recovery. Having constant EMF sources on at night is like leaving a flicking light on all night. (EMR is light at a slower wavelength). My son was diagnosed with sensory integration dysfunction about 12 years ago. My nervous system is just as sensitive as his, so I feel all the same things. Reducing sensory triggers helped us and so did detox, but it didn't completely resolve it. I finally started to see EMF as a sensory trigger back in 2007. It has been a long road to finding experts that can help - if you have a building biologist in your area, that is really helpful: http://hbelc.org/findexpert/enviroconsult.html We have made great progress reducing EMFs and slowly seeing the sensory overload melt away. In retrospect, I think I did everything backwards. If I was going to do it all again, I would: 1) Turn off DECT cordless phone base stations at night. (ideally, all the time). The roll out of this continuous source of digital wireless seems to coincide with the steep inflection in the autism rate around 1987-1998. 2) Turn off wi-fi at night as well. (with software config or a timer). 3) Reduce dirty electrical noise in the child's bedroom. 4) Of course, if you use s baby monitor - unplug it - it's also a constant source of digital wireless noise. Resources: My letter to the FCC on this topic: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view;jsessionid=wGlkRPRTXchnmJJ3GFnXWKCvqv 4dBTJyJhfJyrPrrgDk12gk6sdY!-1272756975!1291806534?id=7520926073 The FCC is taking letters on this topic until Sept 3. Martha Herbert's (Harvard) paper on autism and EMF: http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/sec20_2012_Findi ngs_in_Autism.pdf A shorter paper on autism and EMF: http://www.academicjournals.org/ijmms/PDF/pdf2013/Apr/Ahuja%20et%20al.pdf An electrosensitve MD in California who treats autism with steps "1 &2" above and is getting some remarkable results: http://www.mdiwellness.com/toril-jelter-md.html My favorite EMF Safety resources: http://pinterest.com/petermsullivan/emf-safety/ --- In [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@...> wrote: > > I believe that "previous home" was the clue. It means that she moved away from something that was propagating into her bedroom . She is feeling better because she is sleeping better. The pineal gland is able to produce more melatonin and therefor the body is able to repair the damage incurred throughout the day. > > > ________________________________ > From: judyl_nev <judyl_nev@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:22 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > > >  > What is the clue Al saw? Is it "tolerate"? > > Fluorescent lights are one of my worst offenders, especially CFLs. The minutes near CFL lighting. > > I'm curious how you tolerate your classroom now, not before, and why it is more tolerable than your apartment. My sister teaches also. She also is more comfortable at school than at home. Her home is an EMF nightmare. I can't stand being there, it is so uncomfortale. Her husband doesn't believe EMFs cause any problem, so refuses to make any changes. In the meantime, everyone in the house is losing ground with their health. > > I'm also curious about laptops and computers. I used to spend much time on my laptop, before that - a plugged in computer. Now I avoid them altogether (except when I have to print something). I've tried to figure out which component is bothering me, and I don't know. I believe it is the monitor, not the computer itself. I don't think it's flicker, cause it bothers me when I'm not looking at the screen. What occured to me recently is that I wonder if the problem for me is the BATTERY? And maybe that's why small devices don't bother me much, and larger ones do. > > My sensitivity changes. Every time I have something happen that is emotionaly challenging, sympoms get worse as do food intolerances. > > One of the things I'm playing with is sort of EMF Feng Shui. In my home there are "hot spots" where I can't stand to be. I rearranged furniture, TV, computers, lamps around. I measured the dirty electricity first. Then remeasured. My son came for several weeks. He has a powerful computer. We had to change the wall it was plugged into to lower the dirty electricity, then things got quieter. I have been really stunned by the dirty electricity thing. Fixing that made a huge difference in my house. > > Previously I had some LED bulbs that upped the dirty electricity. Also, when I can, I turn off many of the circuit breakers. Also, do you have a smart meter? Is that contributing to home problems? The meter I have causes problems. > > Judy > > --- In [hidden email], ginneen smith <GINNEEN@> wrote: > > > > hope i posted correctly > > JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... > > My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. > > However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. > > Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. > > I look forward to learning more from this group. > > To: [hidden email] > > From: judyl_nev@ > > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:39:23 +0000 > > Subject: [eSens] Sensory Overload > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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I live in a semi detached, but my attached neighbour is very understanding
when it comes to dect phones and he does not use a pc etc so I am lucky at the moment. My other neighbour who is in a detached house alongside is the devils apprentice he has at least 2 dects phones and numerous wifi routers, he undoubtedly enjoys his destructive power over me ! Yes I turn of nost of the breakers, for a while I had low frequency rf running through my wires so I turned off the lot, a man over the road had a stroke or heart attack and passed away and the next day that crap was off the wires !! I sleep really bad and try to change my direction of sleep and ocassionally the location in the house this helps some how. But I have the neighbours wifi etc plus to deal with and spurious stuff coming in from outside. At the moment my tinitus espessially in my right ear has gone really ape, sounds as bad as if someone has shot a starter gun next to my ear ! something is up ? I know exactly how you feel, you just have to keep calm and carry on I guess. puk In a message dated 8/19/2013 8:53:35 A.M. Dateline Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: So Paul, my neighbors are one thing in the apt. I take it you live in a house. Does turning off the circuit breakers help 100% or are there other interferences like cell towers and such. And I also take it your house is not connected to another. I stayed in a house for awhile - which was a separate unit, but others didn't take it seriously so I wasn't able to control ciruit breakers - but I also found that later housing has as many electrical outlets as an apartment - very bothersome. How'd you get around all that? To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:52:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload your sensitivity seems to have gone along a similar path to mine, I think when you first experience the symptoms your mind and body go into a real panic and thus you become over-sensitised to anything over and above your ES, over time as you realise that you can do much to help yourself and that the feelings and sensations you experience are not necessarily going to kill you on the spot your nervous system/mind becomes more reassured that the threat is manageable and does not induce an over-over reaction, the ES remains all the same and ebbs and flows or rises and falls on a sort of parabolic curve depending on numerous factors. When I manage to find employment as a Building Surveyor I find that one chair/desk location can finish me off with brain fog in minutes whereas others can take much longer, and of course you can begin to become accustomed to feeling like crap in one location, bit like getting used to the stone in a shoe, you have the intention of getting it out when the time is right, that time can go on for too long of cours and you get a little more injured on the way. With regards your flat, for me I could not live in one just to many options for getting fried by the neighbours. puk In a message dated 8/18/2013 2:45:35 P.M. Dateline Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: Hi all, I'm Ginneen I just saw the post regarding the questions about tolerating my classroom. I'm so sorry that I haven't been on more - BUT, lol, i'm sure you guys can understand...... The only thing that I ever did to try to alleviate symptoms was the chelation early on. But even that was less than minimal. perhaps it did something overtime. who knows. However, I've been in the same classroom since I first encountered this 4 years ago. The only thing that makes sense to me is that there aren't as many outlets as in my apartment. my classroom is huge, whereas my apartment is a regular wifi-ready apartment, with like two outlets on every wall, small amount of square footage - i just feel as if everything is on top of me. TV continues to be a problem - the infrared light beam, the outlets around my sofa - often when it's bad I have the tv at an angle, push the remote away, make sure i'm not sitting on the sofa in front of the side outlet and the one behind it. It's awful. When it first occured, and i might have mentioned this earlier, in the classroom I had to have just natural light. we kept the flourescents off, the computers off. I was so sensitive that i had to ask the kiddies not to wear watches or sneak video games into the class. And when they did, I knew it and could find out exactly who had brought something in by just feeling the radiation. I'd go over to that person and confiscate it. It was very bizarre. My colleagues couldn't even come in with their cell phones it affected me immediately. I haven't worn a watch in four years. Today, we can have the lights on and the computers on. I even have a promethean board - which I was very scared to get and scared NOT to get. However, I think that my body has become acclimated to my home away from home. sometimes i'll feel something but it just requires me to move away and it passes. Only occassionally after being in there from 7:00am until 7pm my body starts to wear down. And, because I tolerate it doesn't mean I don't worry - because I know it's not gone. So what's happening inside plagues me all the time. Same for my car - it was intolerable, less intolerable now. Today I unplug the wifi at night, and the circuit breaker is my saviour. whatever i'm not using i shut down. What has also helped with the swelling of my feet when on my laptop at home is wearing the socks that are prescribed that help with circulation problems. I've been doing that for two weeks at home because I was experiencing extreme swelling in my feet and lower legs when working on the computer - so my feet and legs are happier. Right now on the laptop at home, i have tingling, pain, burning and itching in my chest arms and finger and face. I also used to live with someone who had no sensitivity to my situation, so it was a fighting battle to say I need this off or that off. LOL, i remember that sometimes I'd be in the kitchen washing dishes and had to turn the refrigerator off while i was in there. That sure didn't go over well when I'd forget to turn it back on when I was done. The things that I've had to do. Church was also real bad. everyone has some electronic device and the lights and the electrical equipment for the stage. It's horrible. I'm very happy someone decided to open this forum up. I don't feel so strange and alone. To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:24:26 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload I think your comment about the pineal gland and sleep is right on - that's the key starting point for recovery. Having constant EMF sources on at night is like leaving a flicking light on all night. (EMR is light at a slower wavelength). My son was diagnosed with sensory integration dysfunction about 12 years ago. My nervous system is just as sensitive as his, so I feel all the same things. Reducing sensory triggers helped us and so did detox, but it didn't completely resolve it. I finally started to see EMF as a sensory trigger back in 2007. It has been a long road to finding experts that can help - if you have a building biologist in your area, that is really helpful: http://hbelc.org/findexpert/enviroconsult.html We have made great progress reducing EMFs and slowly seeing the sensory overload melt away. In retrospect, I think I did everything backwards. If I was going to do it all again, I would: 1) Turn off DECT cordless phone base stations at night. (ideally, all the time). The roll out of this continuous source of digital wireless seems to coincide with the steep inflection in the autism rate around 1987-1998. 2) Turn off wi-fi at night as well. (with software config or a timer). 3) Reduce dirty electrical noise in the child's bedroom. 4) Of course, if you use s baby monitor - unplug it - it's also a constant source of digital wireless noise. Resources: My letter to the FCC on this topic: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view;jsessionid=wGlkRPRTXchnmJJ3GFnXWKCvqv 4dBTJyJhfJyrPrrgDk12gk6sdY!-1272756975!1291806534?id=7520926073 The FCC is taking letters on this topic until Sept 3. Martha Herbert's (Harvard) paper on autism and EMF: http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/sec20_2012_Findi ngs_in_Autism.pdf A shorter paper on autism and EMF: http://www.academicjournals.org/ijmms/PDF/pdf2013/Apr/Ahuja%20et%20al.pdf An electrosensitve MD in California who treats autism with steps "1 &2" above and is getting some remarkable results: http://www.mdiwellness.com/toril-jelter-md.html My favorite EMF Safety resources: http://pinterest.com/petermsullivan/emf-safety/ --- In [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@...> wrote: > > I believe that "previous home" was the clue. It means that she moved away from something that was propagating into her bedroom . She is feeling better because she is sleeping better. The pineal gland is able to produce more melatonin and therefor the body is able to repair the damage incurred throughout the day. > > > ________________________________ > From: judyl_nev <judyl_nev@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:22 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > > >  > What is the clue Al saw? Is it "tolerate"? > > Fluorescent lights are one of my worst offenders, especially CFLs. The minutes near CFL lighting. > > I'm curious how you tolerate your classroom now, not before, and why it is more tolerable than your apartment. My sister teaches also. She also is more comfortable at school than at home. Her home is an EMF nightmare. I can't stand being there, it is so uncomfortale. Her husband doesn't believe EMFs cause any problem, so refuses to make any changes. In the meantime, everyone in the house is losing ground with their health. > > I'm also curious about laptops and computers. I used to spend much time on my laptop, before that - a plugged in computer. Now I avoid them altogether (except when I have to print something). I've tried to figure out which component is bothering me, and I don't know. I believe it is the monitor, not the computer itself. I don't think it's flicker, cause it bothers me when I'm not looking at the screen. What occured to me recently is that I wonder if the problem for me is the BATTERY? And maybe that's why small devices don't bother me much, and larger ones do. > > My sensitivity changes. Every time I have something happen that is emotionaly challenging, sympoms get worse as do food intolerances. > > One of the things I'm playing with is sort of EMF Feng Shui. In my home there are "hot spots" where I can't stand to be. I rearranged furniture, TV, computers, lamps around. I measured the dirty electricity first. Then remeasured. My son came for several weeks. He has a powerful computer. We had to change the wall it was plugged into to lower the dirty electricity, then things got quieter. I have been really stunned by the dirty electricity thing. Fixing that made a huge difference in my house. > > Previously I had some LED bulbs that upped the dirty electricity. Also, when I can, I turn off many of the circuit breakers. Also, do you have a smart meter? Is that contributing to home problems? The meter I have causes problems. > > Judy > > --- In [hidden email], ginneen smith <GINNEEN@> wrote: > > > > hope i posted correctly > > JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... > > My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. > > However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. > > Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. > > I look forward to learning more from this group. > > To: [hidden email] > > From: judyl_nev@ > > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:39:23 +0000 > > Subject: [eSens] Sensory Overload > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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You need to move. The tinnitus is from the hair on the cochlear vibrating. It is equivalent to a concert or a jet engine in the other room. After a while you will lose your hearing.
________________________________ From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload I live in a semi detached, but my attached neighbour is very understanding when it comes to dect phones and he does not use a pc etc so I am lucky at the moment. My other neighbour who is in a detached house alongside is the devils apprentice he has at least 2 dects phones and numerous wifi routers, he undoubtedly enjoys his destructive power over me ! Yes I turn of nost of the breakers, for a while I had low frequency rf running through my wires so I turned off the lot, a man over the road had a stroke or heart attack and passed away and the next day that crap was off the wires !! I sleep really bad and try to change my direction of sleep and ocassionally the location in the house this helps some how. But I have the neighbours wifi etc plus to deal with and spurious stuff coming in from outside. At the moment my tinitus espessially in my right ear has gone really ape, sounds as bad as if someone has shot a starter gun next to my ear ! something is up ? I know exactly how you feel, you just have to keep calm and carry on I guess. puk In a message dated 8/19/2013 8:53:35 A.M. Dateline Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: So Paul, my neighbors are one thing in the apt. I take it you live in a house. Does turning off the circuit breakers help 100% or are there other interferences like cell towers and such. And I also take it your house is not connected to another. I stayed in a house for awhile - which was a separate unit, but others didn't take it seriously so I wasn't able to control ciruit breakers - but I also found that later housing has as many electrical outlets as an apartment - very bothersome. How'd you get around all that? To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:52:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload your sensitivity seems to have gone along a similar path to mine, I think when you first experience the symptoms your mind and body go into a real panic and thus you become over-sensitised to anything over and above your ES, over time as you realise that you can do much to help yourself and that the feelings and sensations you experience are not necessarily going to kill you on the spot your nervous system/mind becomes more reassured that the threat is manageable and does not induce an over-over reaction, the ES remains all the same and ebbs and flows or rises and falls on a sort of parabolic curve depending on numerous factors. When I manage to find employment as a Building Surveyor I find that one chair/desk location can finish me off with brain fog in minutes whereas others can take much longer, and of course you can begin to become accustomed to feeling like crap in one location, bit like getting used to the stone in a shoe, you have the intention of getting it out when the time is right, that time can go on for too long of cours and you get a little more injured on the way. With regards your flat, for me I could not live in one just to many options for getting fried by the neighbours. puk In a message dated 8/18/2013 2:45:35 P.M. Dateline Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: Hi all, I'm Ginneen I just saw the post regarding the questions about tolerating my classroom. I'm so sorry that I haven't been on more - BUT, lol, i'm sure you guys can understand...... The only thing that I ever did to try to alleviate symptoms was the chelation early on. But even that was less than minimal. perhaps it did something overtime. who knows. However, I've been in the same classroom since I first encountered this 4 years ago. The only thing that makes sense to me is that there aren't as many outlets as in my apartment. my classroom is huge, whereas my apartment is a regular wifi-ready apartment, with like two outlets on every wall, small amount of square footage - i just feel as if everything is on top of me. TV continues to be a problem - the infrared light beam, the outlets around my sofa - often when it's bad I have the tv at an angle, push the remote away, make sure i'm not sitting on the sofa in front of the side outlet and the one behind it. It's awful. When it first occured, and i might have mentioned this earlier, in the classroom I had to have just natural light. we kept the flourescents off, the computers off. I was so sensitive that i had to ask the kiddies not to wear watches or sneak video games into the class. And when they did, I knew it and could find out exactly who had brought something in by just feeling the radiation. I'd go over to that person and confiscate it. It was very bizarre. My colleagues couldn't even come in with their cell phones it affected me immediately. I haven't worn a watch in four years. Today, we can have the lights on and the computers on. I even have a promethean board - which I was very scared to get and scared NOT to get. However, I think that my body has become acclimated to my home away from home. sometimes i'll feel something but it just requires me to move away and it passes. Only occassionally after being in there from 7:00am until 7pm my body starts to wear down. And, because I tolerate it doesn't mean I don't worry - because I know it's not gone. So what's happening inside plagues me all the time. Same for my car - it was intolerable, less intolerable now. Today I unplug the wifi at night, and the circuit breaker is my saviour. whatever i'm not using i shut down. What has also helped with the swelling of my feet when on my laptop at home is wearing the socks that are prescribed that help with circulation problems. I've been doing that for two weeks at home because I was experiencing extreme swelling in my feet and lower legs when working on the computer - so my feet and legs are happier. Right now on the laptop at home, i have tingling, pain, burning and itching in my chest arms and finger and face. I also used to live with someone who had no sensitivity to my situation, so it was a fighting battle to say I need this off or that off. LOL, i remember that sometimes I'd be in the kitchen washing dishes and had to turn the refrigerator off while i was in there. That sure didn't go over well when I'd forget to turn it back on when I was done. The things that I've had to do. Church was also real bad. everyone has some electronic device and the lights and the electrical equipment for the stage. It's horrible. I'm very happy someone decided to open this forum up. I don't feel so strange and alone. To: [hidden email] From: [hidden email] Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:24:26 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload I think your comment about the pineal gland and sleep is right on - that's the key starting point for recovery. Having constant EMF sources on at night is like leaving a flicking light on all night. (EMR is light at a slower wavelength). My son was diagnosed with sensory integration dysfunction about 12 years ago. My nervous system is just as sensitive as his, so I feel all the same things. Reducing sensory triggers helped us and so did detox, but it didn't completely resolve it. I finally started to see EMF as a sensory trigger back in 2007. It has been a long road to finding experts that can help - if you have a building biologist in your area, that is really helpful: http://hbelc.org/findexpert/enviroconsult.html We have made great progress reducing EMFs and slowly seeing the sensory overload melt away. In retrospect, I think I did everything backwards. If I was going to do it all again, I would: 1) Turn off DECT cordless phone base stations at night. (ideally, all the time). The roll out of this continuous source of digital wireless seems to coincide with the steep inflection in the autism rate around 1987-1998. 2) Turn off wi-fi at night as well. (with software config or a timer). 3) Reduce dirty electrical noise in the child's bedroom. 4) Of course, if you use s baby monitor - unplug it - it's also a constant source of digital wireless noise. Resources: My letter to the FCC on this topic: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view;jsessionid=wGlkRPRTXchnmJJ3GFnXWKCvqv 4dBTJyJhfJyrPrrgDk12gk6sdY!-1272756975!1291806534?id=7520926073 The FCC is taking letters on this topic until Sept 3. Martha Herbert's (Harvard) paper on autism and EMF: http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/sec20_2012_Findi ngs_in_Autism.pdf A shorter paper on autism and EMF: http://www.academicjournals.org/ijmms/PDF/pdf2013/Apr/Ahuja%20et%20al.pdf An electrosensitve MD in California who treats autism with steps "1 &2" above and is getting some remarkable results: http://www.mdiwellness.com/toril-jelter-md.html My favorite EMF Safety resources: http://pinterest.com/petermsullivan/emf-safety/ --- In [hidden email], Al Harding <iprovedit@...> wrote: > > I believe that "previous home" was the clue. It means that she moved away from something that was propagating into her bedroom . She is feeling better because she is sleeping better. The pineal gland is able to produce more melatonin and therefor the body is able to repair the damage incurred throughout the day. > > > ________________________________ > From: judyl_nev <judyl_nev@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:22 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > > >  > What is the clue Al saw? Is it "tolerate"? > > Fluorescent lights are one of my worst offenders, especially CFLs. The minutes near CFL lighting. > > I'm curious how you tolerate your classroom now, not before, and why it is more tolerable than your apartment. My sister teaches also. She also is more comfortable at school than at home. Her home is an EMF nightmare. I can't stand being there, it is so uncomfortale. Her husband doesn't believe EMFs cause any problem, so refuses to make any changes. In the meantime, everyone in the house is losing ground with their health. > > I'm also curious about laptops and computers. I used to spend much time on my laptop, before that - a plugged in computer. Now I avoid them altogether (except when I have to print something). I've tried to figure out which component is bothering me, and I don't know. I believe it is the monitor, not the computer itself. I don't think it's flicker, cause it bothers me when I'm not looking at the screen. What occured to me recently is that I wonder if the problem for me is the BATTERY? And maybe that's why small devices don't bother me much, and larger ones do. > > My sensitivity changes. Every time I have something happen that is emotionaly challenging, sympoms get worse as do food intolerances. > > One of the things I'm playing with is sort of EMF Feng Shui. In my home there are "hot spots" where I can't stand to be. I rearranged furniture, TV, computers, lamps around. I measured the dirty electricity first. Then remeasured. My son came for several weeks. He has a powerful computer. We had to change the wall it was plugged into to lower the dirty electricity, then things got quieter. I have been really stunned by the dirty electricity thing. Fixing that made a huge difference in my house. > > Previously I had some LED bulbs that upped the dirty electricity. Also, when I can, I turn off many of the circuit breakers. Also, do you have a smart meter? Is that contributing to home problems? The meter I have causes problems. > > Judy > > --- In [hidden email], ginneen smith <GINNEEN@> wrote: > > > > hope i posted correctly > > JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... > > My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. > > However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. > > Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. > > I look forward to learning more from this group. > > To: [hidden email] > > From: judyl_nev@ > > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:39:23 +0000 > > Subject: [eSens] Sensory Overload > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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Already ging in the right ear where the noise is worse, also now when I
look at the pc my vision is going blurred very quickly.. oh dear !!! cant move as I ave a family quite happy here and to move - where to ? out of the frying pan into the fire ?? puk In a message dated 8/20/2013 1:16:38 A.M. Dateline Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: You need to move. The tinnitus is from the hair on the cochlear vibrating. It is equivalent to a concert or a jet engine in the other room. After a while you will lose your hearing. ________________________________ From: "_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) " <_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload I live in a semi detached, but my attached neighbour is very understanding when it comes to dect phones and he does not use a pc etc so I am lucky at the moment. My other neighbour who is in a detached house alongside is the devils apprentice he has at least 2 dects phones and numerous wifi routers, he undoubtedly enjoys his destructive power over me ! Yes I turn of nost of the breakers, for a while I had low frequency rf running through my wires so I turned off the lot, a man over the road had a stroke or heart attack and passed away and the next day that crap was off the wires !! I sleep really bad and try to change my direction of sleep and ocassionally the location in the house this helps some how. But I have the neighbours wifi etc plus to deal with and spurious stuff coming in from outside. At the moment my tinitus espessially in my right ear has gone really ape, sounds as bad as if someone has shot a starter gun next to my ear ! something is up ? I know exactly how you feel, you just have to keep calm and carry on I guess. puk In a message dated 8/19/2013 8:53:35 A.M. Dateline Standard Time, _GINNEEN@HOTMAIL.COM_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes: So Paul, my neighbors are one thing in the apt. I take it you live in a house. Does turning off the circuit breakers help 100% or are there other interferences like cell towers and such. And I also take it your house is not connected to another. I stayed in a house for awhile - which was a separate unit, but others didn't take it seriously so I wasn't able to control ciruit breakers - but I also found that later housing has as many electrical outlets as an apartment - very bothersome. How'd you get around all that? To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) From: _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:52:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload your sensitivity seems to have gone along a similar path to mine, I think when you first experience the symptoms your mind and body go into a real panic and thus you become over-sensitised to anything over and above your ES, over time as you realise that you can do much to help yourself and that the feelings and sensations you experience are not necessarily going to kill you on the spot your nervous system/mind becomes more reassured that the threat is manageable and does not induce an over-over reaction, the ES remains all the same and ebbs and flows or rises and falls on a sort of parabolic curve depending on numerous factors. When I manage to find employment as a Building Surveyor I find that one chair/desk location can finish me off with brain fog in minutes whereas others can take much longer, and of course you can begin to become accustomed to feeling like crap in one location, bit like getting used to the stone in a shoe, you have the intention of getting it out when the time is right, that time can go on for too long of cours and you get a little more injured on the way. With regards your flat, for me I could not live in one just to many options for getting fried by the neighbours. puk In a message dated 8/18/2013 2:45:35 P.M. Dateline Standard Time, _GINNEEN@HOTMAIL.COM_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes: Hi all, I'm Ginneen I just saw the post regarding the questions about tolerating my classroom. I'm so sorry that I haven't been on more - BUT, lol, i'm sure you guys can understand...... The only thing that I ever did to try to alleviate symptoms was the chelation early on. But even that was less than minimal. perhaps it did something overtime. who knows. However, I've been in the same classroom since I first encountered this 4 years ago. The only thing that makes sense to me is that there aren't as many outlets as in my apartment. my classroom is huge, whereas my apartment is a regular wifi-ready apartment, with like two outlets on every wall, small amount of square footage - i just feel as if everything is on top of me. TV continues to be a problem - the infrared light beam, the outlets around my sofa - often when it's bad I have the tv at an angle, push the remote away, make sure i'm not sitting on the sofa in front of the side outlet and the one behind it. It's awful. When it first occured, and i might have mentioned this earlier, in the classroom I had to have just natural light. we kept the flourescents off, the computers off. I was so sensitive that i had to ask the kiddies not to wear watches or sneak video games into the class. And when they did, I knew it and could find out exactly who had brought something in by just feeling the radiation. I'd go over to that person and confiscate it. It was very bizarre. My colleagues couldn't even come in with their cell phones it affected me immediately. I haven't worn a watch in four years. Today, we can have the lights on and the computers on. I even have a promethean board - which I was very scared to get and scared NOT to get. However, I think that my body has become acclimated to my home away from home. sometimes i'll feel something but it just requires me to move away and it passes. Only occassionally after being in there from 7:00am until 7pm my body starts to wear down. And, because I tolerate it doesn't mean I don't worry - because I know it's not gone. So what's happening inside plagues me all the time. Same for my car - it was intolerable, less intolerable now. Today I unplug the wifi at night, and the circuit breaker is my saviour. whatever i'm not using i shut down. What has also helped with the swelling of my feet when on my laptop at home is wearing the socks that are prescribed that help with circulation problems. I've been doing that for two weeks at home because I was experiencing extreme swelling in my feet and lower legs when working on the computer - so my feet and legs are happier. Right now on the laptop at home, i have tingling, pain, burning and itching in my chest arms and finger and face. I also used to live with someone who had no sensitivity to my situation, so it was a fighting battle to say I need this off or that off. LOL, i remember that sometimes I'd be in the kitchen washing dishes and had to turn the refrigerator off while i was in there. That sure didn't go over well when I'd forget to turn it back on when I was done. The things that I've had to do. Church was also real bad. everyone has some electronic device and the lights and the electrical equipment for the stage. It's horrible. I'm very happy someone decided to open this forum up. I don't feel so strange and alone. To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) From: _psullivan@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:24:26 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload I think your comment about the pineal gland and sleep is right on - that's the key starting point for recovery. Having constant EMF sources on at night is like leaving a flicking light on all night. (EMR is light at a slower wavelength). My son was diagnosed with sensory integration dysfunction about 12 years ago. My nervous system is just as sensitive as his, so I feel all the same things. Reducing sensory triggers helped us and so did detox, but it didn't completely resolve it. I finally started to see EMF as a sensory trigger back in 2007. It has been a long road to finding experts that can help - if you have a building biologist in your area, that is really helpful: http://hbelc.org/findexpert/enviroconsult.html We have made great progress reducing EMFs and slowly seeing the sensory overload melt away. In retrospect, I think I did everything backwards. If I was going to do it all again, I would: 1) Turn off DECT cordless phone base stations at night. (ideally, all the time). The roll out of this continuous source of digital wireless seems to coincide with the steep inflection in the autism rate around 1987-1998. 2) Turn off wi-fi at night as well. (with software config or a timer). 3) Reduce dirty electrical noise in the child's bedroom. 4) Of course, if you use s baby monitor - unplug it - it's also a constant source of digital wireless noise. Resources: My letter to the FCC on this topic: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view;jsessionid=wGlkRPRTXchnmJJ3GFnXWKCvqv 4dBTJyJhfJyrPrrgDk12gk6sdY!-1272756975!1291806534?id=7520926073 The FCC is taking letters on this topic until Sept 3. Martha Herbert's (Harvard) paper on autism and EMF: http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/sec20_2012_Findi ngs_in_Autism.pdf A shorter paper on autism and EMF: http://www.academicjournals.org/ijmms/PDF/pdf2013/Apr/Ahuja%20et%20al.pdf An electrosensitve MD in California who treats autism with steps "1 &2" above and is getting some remarkable results: http://www.mdiwellness.com/toril-jelter-md.html My favorite EMF Safety resources: http://pinterest.com/petermsullivan/emf-safety/ --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , Al Harding <iprovedit@...> wrote: > > I believe that "previous home" was the clue. It means that she moved away from something that was propagating into her bedroom . She is feeling better because she is sleeping better. The pineal gland is able to produce more melatonin and therefor the body is able to repair the damage incurred throughout the day. > > > ________________________________ > From: judyl_nev <judyl_nev@...> > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:22 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > > >  > What is the clue Al saw? Is it "tolerate"? > > Fluorescent lights are one of my worst offenders, especially CFLs. The minutes near CFL lighting. > > I'm curious how you tolerate your classroom now, not before, and why it is more tolerable than your apartment. My sister teaches also. She also is more comfortable at school than at home. Her home is an EMF nightmare. I can't stand being there, it is so uncomfortale. Her husband doesn't believe EMFs cause any problem, so refuses to make any changes. In the meantime, everyone in the house is losing ground with their health. > > I'm also curious about laptops and computers. I used to spend much time on my laptop, before that - a plugged in computer. Now I avoid them altogether (except when I have to print something). I've tried to figure out which component is bothering me, and I don't know. I believe it is the monitor, not the computer itself. I don't think it's flicker, cause it bothers me when I'm not looking at the screen. What occured to me recently is that I wonder if the problem for me is the BATTERY? And maybe that's why small devices don't bother me much, and larger ones do. > > My sensitivity changes. Every time I have something happen that is emotionaly challenging, sympoms get worse as do food intolerances. > > One of the things I'm playing with is sort of EMF Feng Shui. In my home there are "hot spots" where I can't stand to be. I rearranged furniture, TV, computers, lamps around. I measured the dirty electricity first. Then remeasured. My son came for several weeks. He has a powerful computer. We had to change the wall it was plugged into to lower the dirty electricity, then things got quieter. I have been really stunned by the dirty electricity thing. Fixing that made a huge difference in my house. > > Previously I had some LED bulbs that upped the dirty electricity. Also, when I can, I turn off many of the circuit breakers. Also, do you have a smart meter? Is that contributing to home problems? The meter I have causes problems. > > Judy > > --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , ginneen smith <GINNEEN@> wrote: > > > > hope i posted correctly > > JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... > > My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. > > However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. > > Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. > > I look forward to learning more from this group. > > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > > From: judyl_nev@ > > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:39:23 +0000 > > Subject: [eSens] Sensory Overload > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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> You need to move. The tinnitus is from the hair on the cochlear vibrating. > It is equivalent to a concert or a jet engine in the other room. After a > while you will lose your hearing. Tinnitus can be caused by many things, not just EMF. I know that while doing heavy metal chelation, I'd sometimes get very loud tinnitus, which would go away after I backed off from it. Marc |
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I understand about the moving thing as I had to move away from my family and childhood neighborhood. It was tough at first since but after feeling so much better I have no regrets. Have you tried eating shiitake mushrooms? Quite a bit of my sensitivities have cleared up since eating them.
________________________________ From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload Already ging in the right ear where the noise is worse, also now when I look at the pc my vision is going blurred very quickly.. oh dear !!! cant move as I ave a family quite happy here and to move - where to ? out of the frying pan into the fire ?? puk In a message dated 8/20/2013 1:16:38 A.M. Dateline Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: You need to move. The tinnitus is from the hair on the cochlear vibrating. It is equivalent to a concert or a jet engine in the other room. After a while you will lose your hearing. ________________________________ From: "_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) " <_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload I live in a semi detached, but my attached neighbour is very understanding when it comes to dect phones and he does not use a pc etc so I am lucky at the moment. My other neighbour who is in a detached house alongside is the devils apprentice he has at least 2 dects phones and numerous wifi routers, he undoubtedly enjoys his destructive power over me ! Yes I turn of nost of the breakers, for a while I had low frequency rf running through my wires so I turned off the lot, a man over the road had a stroke or heart attack and passed away and the next day that crap was off the wires !! I sleep really bad and try to change my direction of sleep and ocassionally the location in the house this helps some how. But I have the neighbours wifi etc plus to deal with and spurious stuff coming in from outside. At the moment my tinitus espessially in my right ear has gone really ape, sounds as bad as if someone has shot a starter gun next to my ear ! something is up ? I know exactly how you feel, you just have to keep calm and carry on I guess. puk In a message dated 8/19/2013 8:53:35 A.M. Dateline Standard Time, _GINNEEN@HOTMAIL.COM_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes: So Paul, my neighbors are one thing in the apt. I take it you live in a house. Does turning off the circuit breakers help 100% or are there other interferences like cell towers and such. And I also take it your house is not connected to another. I stayed in a house for awhile - which was a separate unit, but others didn't take it seriously so I wasn't able to control ciruit breakers - but I also found that later housing has as many electrical outlets as an apartment - very bothersome. How'd you get around all that? To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) From: _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:52:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload your sensitivity seems to have gone along a similar path to mine, I think when you first experience the symptoms your mind and body go into a real panic and thus you become over-sensitised to anything over and above your ES, over time as you realise that you can do much to help yourself and that the feelings and sensations you experience are not necessarily going to kill you on the spot your nervous system/mind becomes more reassured that the threat is manageable and does not induce an over-over reaction, the ES remains all the same and ebbs and flows or rises and falls on a sort of parabolic curve depending on numerous factors. When I manage to find employment as a Building Surveyor I find that one chair/desk location can finish me off with brain fog in minutes whereas others can take much longer, and of course you can begin to become accustomed to feeling like crap in one location, bit like getting used to the stone in a shoe, you have the intention of getting it out when the time is right, that time can go on for too long of cours and you get a little more injured on the way. With regards your flat, for me I could not live in one just to many options for getting fried by the neighbours. puk In a message dated 8/18/2013 2:45:35 P.M. Dateline Standard Time, _GINNEEN@HOTMAIL.COM_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes: Hi all, I'm Ginneen I just saw the post regarding the questions about tolerating my classroom. I'm so sorry that I haven't been on more - BUT, lol, i'm sure you guys can understand...... The only thing that I ever did to try to alleviate symptoms was the chelation early on. But even that was less than minimal. perhaps it did something overtime. who knows. However, I've been in the same classroom since I first encountered this 4 years ago. The only thing that makes sense to me is that there aren't as many outlets as in my apartment. my classroom is huge, whereas my apartment is a regular wifi-ready apartment, with like two outlets on every wall, small amount of square footage - i just feel as if everything is on top of me. TV continues to be a problem - the infrared light beam, the outlets around my sofa - often when it's bad I have the tv at an angle, push the remote away, make sure i'm not sitting on the sofa in front of the side outlet and the one behind it. It's awful. When it first occured, and i might have mentioned this earlier, in the classroom I had to have just natural light. we kept the flourescents off, the computers off. I was so sensitive that i had to ask the kiddies not to wear watches or sneak video games into the class. And when they did, I knew it and could find out exactly who had brought something in by just feeling the radiation. I'd go over to that person and confiscate it. It was very bizarre. My colleagues couldn't even come in with their cell phones it affected me immediately. I haven't worn a watch in four years. Today, we can have the lights on and the computers on. I even have a promethean board - which I was very scared to get and scared NOT to get. However, I think that my body has become acclimated to my home away from home. sometimes i'll feel something but it just requires me to move away and it passes. Only occassionally after being in there from 7:00am until 7pm my body starts to wear down. And, because I tolerate it doesn't mean I don't worry - because I know it's not gone. So what's happening inside plagues me all the time. Same for my car - it was intolerable, less intolerable now. Today I unplug the wifi at night, and the circuit breaker is my saviour. whatever i'm not using i shut down. What has also helped with the swelling of my feet when on my laptop at home is wearing the socks that are prescribed that help with circulation problems. I've been doing that for two weeks at home because I was experiencing extreme swelling in my feet and lower legs when working on the computer - so my feet and legs are happier. Right now on the laptop at home, i have tingling, pain, burning and itching in my chest arms and finger and face. I also used to live with someone who had no sensitivity to my situation, so it was a fighting battle to say I need this off or that off. LOL, i remember that sometimes I'd be in the kitchen washing dishes and had to turn the refrigerator off while i was in there. That sure didn't go over well when I'd forget to turn it back on when I was done. The things that I've had to do. Church was also real bad. everyone has some electronic device and the lights and the electrical equipment for the stage. It's horrible. I'm very happy someone decided to open this forum up. I don't feel so strange and alone. To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) From: _psullivan@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:24:26 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload I think your comment about the pineal gland and sleep is right on - that's the key starting point for recovery. Having constant EMF sources on at night is like leaving a flicking light on all night. (EMR is light at a slower wavelength). My son was diagnosed with sensory integration dysfunction about 12 years ago. My nervous system is just as sensitive as his, so I feel all the same things. Reducing sensory triggers helped us and so did detox, but it didn't completely resolve it. I finally started to see EMF as a sensory trigger back in 2007. It has been a long road to finding experts that can help - if you have a building biologist in your area, that is really helpful: http://hbelc.org/findexpert/enviroconsult.html We have made great progress reducing EMFs and slowly seeing the sensory overload melt away. In retrospect, I think I did everything backwards. If I was going to do it all again, I would: 1) Turn off DECT cordless phone base stations at night. (ideally, all the time). The roll out of this continuous source of digital wireless seems to coincide with the steep inflection in the autism rate around 1987-1998. 2) Turn off wi-fi at night as well. (with software config or a timer). 3) Reduce dirty electrical noise in the child's bedroom. 4) Of course, if you use s baby monitor - unplug it - it's also a constant source of digital wireless noise. Resources: My letter to the FCC on this topic: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view;jsessionid=wGlkRPRTXchnmJJ3GFnXWKCvqv 4dBTJyJhfJyrPrrgDk12gk6sdY!-1272756975!1291806534?id=7520926073 The FCC is taking letters on this topic until Sept 3. Martha Herbert's (Harvard) paper on autism and EMF: http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/sec20_2012_Findi ngs_in_Autism.pdf A shorter paper on autism and EMF: http://www.academicjournals.org/ijmms/PDF/pdf2013/Apr/Ahuja%20et%20al.pdf An electrosensitve MD in California who treats autism with steps "1 &2" above and is getting some remarkable results: http://www.mdiwellness.com/toril-jelter-md.html My favorite EMF Safety resources: http://pinterest.com/petermsullivan/emf-safety/ --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , Al Harding <iprovedit@...> wrote: > > I believe that "previous home" was the clue. It means that she moved away from something that was propagating into her bedroom . She is feeling better because she is sleeping better. The pineal gland is able to produce more melatonin and therefor the body is able to repair the damage incurred throughout the day. > > > ________________________________ > From: judyl_nev <judyl_nev@...> > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:22 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > > >  > What is the clue Al saw? Is it "tolerate"? > > Fluorescent lights are one of my worst offenders, especially CFLs. The minutes near CFL lighting. > > I'm curious how you tolerate your classroom now, not before, and why it is more tolerable than your apartment. My sister teaches also. She also is more comfortable at school than at home. Her home is an EMF nightmare. I can't stand being there, it is so uncomfortale. Her husband doesn't believe EMFs cause any problem, so refuses to make any changes. In the meantime, everyone in the house is losing ground with their health. > > I'm also curious about laptops and computers. I used to spend much time on my laptop, before that - a plugged in computer. Now I avoid them altogether (except when I have to print something). I've tried to figure out which component is bothering me, and I don't know. I believe it is the monitor, not the computer itself. I don't think it's flicker, cause it bothers me when I'm not looking at the screen. What occured to me recently is that I wonder if the problem for me is the BATTERY? And maybe that's why small devices don't bother me much, and larger ones do. > > My sensitivity changes. Every time I have something happen that is emotionaly challenging, sympoms get worse as do food intolerances. > > One of the things I'm playing with is sort of EMF Feng Shui. In my home there are "hot spots" where I can't stand to be. I rearranged furniture, TV, computers, lamps around. I measured the dirty electricity first. Then remeasured. My son came for several weeks. He has a powerful computer. We had to change the wall it was plugged into to lower the dirty electricity, then things got quieter. I have been really stunned by the dirty electricity thing. Fixing that made a huge difference in my house. > > Previously I had some LED bulbs that upped the dirty electricity. Also, when I can, I turn off many of the circuit breakers. Also, do you have a smart meter? Is that contributing to home problems? The meter I have causes problems. > > Judy > > --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , ginneen smith <GINNEEN@> wrote: > > > > hope i posted correctly > > JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... > > My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. > > However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. > > Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. > > I look forward to learning more from this group. > > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > > From: judyl_nev@ > > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:39:23 +0000 > > Subject: [eSens] Sensory Overload > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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I understand that it can be caused by many things. I was responding to his situation. WiFi signals strong enough to differentiate between the pulses is easily strong enough to cause severe tinnitus. My levels are low and when anyone brings a cell phone into the house my tinnitus flares up.
________________________________ From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:18 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload On August 20, Al Harding <[hidden email]> wrote: > You need to move. The tinnitus is from the hair on the cochlear vibrating. > It is equivalent to a concert or a jet engine in the other room. After a > while you will lose your hearing. Tinnitus can be caused by many things, not just EMF. I know that while doing heavy metal chelation, I'd sometimes get very loud tinnitus, which would go away after I backed off from it. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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no I will try some
puk In a message dated 8/20/2013 4:25:24 A.M. Dateline Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: I understand about the moving thing as I had to move away from my family and childhood neighborhood. It was tough at first since but after feeling so much better I have no regrets. Have you tried eating shiitake mushrooms? Quite a bit of my sensitivities have cleared up since eating them. ________________________________ From: "_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) " <_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 9:13 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload Already ging in the right ear where the noise is worse, also now when I look at the pc my vision is going blurred very quickly.. oh dear !!! cant move as I ave a family quite happy here and to move - where to ? out of the frying pan into the fire ?? puk In a message dated 8/20/2013 1:16:38 A.M. Dateline Standard Time, _iprovedit@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes: You need to move. The tinnitus is from the hair on the cochlear vibrating. It is equivalent to a concert or a jet engine in the other room. After a while you will lose your hearing. ________________________________ From: "__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) " <__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:01 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload I live in a semi detached, but my attached neighbour is very understanding when it comes to dect phones and he does not use a pc etc so I am lucky at the moment. My other neighbour who is in a detached house alongside is the devils apprentice he has at least 2 dects phones and numerous wifi routers, he undoubtedly enjoys his destructive power over me ! Yes I turn of nost of the breakers, for a while I had low frequency rf running through my wires so I turned off the lot, a man over the road had a stroke or heart attack and passed away and the next day that crap was off the wires !! I sleep really bad and try to change my direction of sleep and ocassionally the location in the house this helps some how. But I have the neighbours wifi etc plus to deal with and spurious stuff coming in from outside. At the moment my tinitus espessially in my right ear has gone really ape, sounds as bad as if someone has shot a starter gun next to my ear ! something is up ? I know exactly how you feel, you just have to keep calm and carry on I guess. puk In a message dated 8/19/2013 8:53:35 A.M. Dateline Standard Time, __GINNEEN@HOTMAIL.COM_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_GINNEEN@HOTMAIL.COM_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) writes: So Paul, my neighbors are one thing in the apt. I take it you live in a house. Does turning off the circuit breakers help 100% or are there other interferences like cell towers and such. And I also take it your house is not connected to another. I stayed in a house for awhile - which was a separate unit, but others didn't take it seriously so I wasn't able to control ciruit breakers - but I also found that later housing has as many electrical outlets as an apartment - very bothersome. How'd you get around all that? To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) From: __paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:52:24 -0400 Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload your sensitivity seems to have gone along a similar path to mine, I think when you first experience the symptoms your mind and body go into a real panic and thus you become over-sensitised to anything over and above your ES, over time as you realise that you can do much to help yourself and that the feelings and sensations you experience are not necessarily going to kill you on the spot your nervous system/mind becomes more reassured that the threat is manageable and does not induce an over-over reaction, the ES remains all the same and ebbs and flows or rises and falls on a sort of parabolic curve depending on numerous factors. When I manage to find employment as a Building Surveyor I find that one chair/desk location can finish me off with brain fog in minutes whereas others can take much longer, and of course you can begin to become accustomed to feeling like crap in one location, bit like getting used to the stone in a shoe, you have the intention of getting it out when the time is right, that time can go on for too long of cours and you get a little more injured on the way. With regards your flat, for me I could not live in one just to many options for getting fried by the neighbours. puk In a message dated 8/18/2013 2:45:35 P.M. Dateline Standard Time, __GINNEEN@HOTMAIL.COM_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_GINNEEN@HOTMAIL.COM_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) writes: Hi all, I'm Ginneen I just saw the post regarding the questions about tolerating my classroom. I'm so sorry that I haven't been on more - BUT, lol, i'm sure you guys can understand...... The only thing that I ever did to try to alleviate symptoms was the chelation early on. But even that was less than minimal. perhaps it did something overtime. who knows. However, I've been in the same classroom since I first encountered this 4 years ago. The only thing that makes sense to me is that there aren't as many outlets as in my apartment. my classroom is huge, whereas my apartment is a regular wifi-ready apartment, with like two outlets on every wall, small amount of square footage - i just feel as if everything is on top of me. TV continues to be a problem - the infrared light beam, the outlets around my sofa - often when it's bad I have the tv at an angle, push the remote away, make sure i'm not sitting on the sofa in front of the side outlet and the one behind it. It's awful. When it first occured, and i might have mentioned this earlier, in the classroom I had to have just natural light. we kept the flourescents off, the computers off. I was so sensitive that i had to ask the kiddies not to wear watches or sneak video games into the class. And when they did, I knew it and could find out exactly who had brought something in by just feeling the radiation. I'd go over to that person and confiscate it. It was very bizarre. My colleagues couldn't even come in with their cell phones it affected me immediately. I haven't worn a watch in four years. Today, we can have the lights on and the computers on. I even have a promethean board - which I was very scared to get and scared NOT to get. However, I think that my body has become acclimated to my home away from home. sometimes i'll feel something but it just requires me to move away and it passes. Only occassionally after being in there from 7:00am until 7pm my body starts to wear down. And, because I tolerate it doesn't mean I don't worry - because I know it's not gone. So what's happening inside plagues me all the time. Same for my car - it was intolerable, less intolerable now. Today I unplug the wifi at night, and the circuit breaker is my saviour. whatever i'm not using i shut down. What has also helped with the swelling of my feet when on my laptop at home is wearing the socks that are prescribed that help with circulation problems. I've been doing that for two weeks at home because I was experiencing extreme swelling in my feet and lower legs when working on the computer - so my feet and legs are happier. Right now on the laptop at home, i have tingling, pain, burning and itching in my chest arms and finger and face. I also used to live with someone who had no sensitivity to my situation, so it was a fighting battle to say I need this off or that off. LOL, i remember that sometimes I'd be in the kitchen washing dishes and had to turn the refrigerator off while i was in there. That sure didn't go over well when I'd forget to turn it back on when I was done. The things that I've had to do. Church was also real bad. everyone has some electronic device and the lights and the electrical equipment for the stage. It's horrible. I'm very happy someone decided to open this forum up. I don't feel so strange and alone. To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) From: __psullivan@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_psullivan@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:24:26 +0000 Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload I think your comment about the pineal gland and sleep is right on - that's the key starting point for recovery. Having constant EMF sources on at night is like leaving a flicking light on all night. (EMR is light at a slower wavelength). My son was diagnosed with sensory integration dysfunction about 12 years ago. My nervous system is just as sensitive as his, so I feel all the same things. Reducing sensory triggers helped us and so did detox, but it didn't completely resolve it. I finally started to see EMF as a sensory trigger back in 2007. It has been a long road to finding experts that can help - if you have a building biologist in your area, that is really helpful: http://hbelc.org/findexpert/enviroconsult.html We have made great progress reducing EMFs and slowly seeing the sensory overload melt away. In retrospect, I think I did everything backwards. If I was going to do it all again, I would: 1) Turn off DECT cordless phone base stations at night. (ideally, all the time). The roll out of this continuous source of digital wireless seems to coincide with the steep inflection in the autism rate around 1987-1998. 2) Turn off wi-fi at night as well. (with software config or a timer). 3) Reduce dirty electrical noise in the child's bedroom. 4) Of course, if you use s baby monitor - unplug it - it's also a constant source of digital wireless noise. Resources: My letter to the FCC on this topic: http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view;jsessionid=wGlkRPRTXchnmJJ3GFnXWKCvqv 4dBTJyJhfJyrPrrgDk12gk6sdY!-1272756975!1291806534?id=7520926073 The FCC is taking letters on this topic until Sept 3. Martha Herbert's (Harvard) paper on autism and EMF: http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/sec20_2012_Findi ngs_in_Autism.pdf A shorter paper on autism and EMF: http://www.academicjournals.org/ijmms/PDF/pdf2013/Apr/Ahuja%20et%20al.pdf An electrosensitve MD in California who treats autism with steps "1 &2" above and is getting some remarkable results: http://www.mdiwellness.com/toril-jelter-md.html My favorite EMF Safety resources: http://pinterest.com/petermsullivan/emf-safety/ --- In __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) , Al Harding <iprovedit@...> wrote: > > I believe that "previous home" was the clue. It means that she moved away from something that was propagating into her bedroom . She is feeling better because she is sleeping better. The pineal gland is able to produce more melatonin and therefor the body is able to repair the damage incurred throughout the day. > > > ________________________________ > From: judyl_nev <judyl_nev@...> > To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:22 PM > Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > > >  > What is the clue Al saw? Is it "tolerate"? > > Fluorescent lights are one of my worst offenders, especially CFLs. The four foot fluorescents don't seem as bad? I can tolerate only about 10 minutes near CFL lighting. > > I'm curious how you tolerate your classroom now, not before, and why it is more tolerable than your apartment. My sister teaches also. She also is more comfortable at school than at home. Her home is an EMF nightmare. I can't stand being there, it is so uncomfortale. Her husband doesn't believe EMFs cause any problem, so refuses to make any changes. In the meantime, everyone in the house is losing ground with their health. > > I'm also curious about laptops and computers. I used to spend much time on my laptop, before that - a plugged in computer. Now I avoid them altogether (except when I have to print something). I've tried to figure out which component is bothering me, and I don't know. I believe it is the monitor, not the computer itself. I don't think it's flicker, cause it bothers me when I'm not looking at the screen. What occured to me recently is that I wonder if the problem for me is the BATTERY? And maybe that's why small devices don't bother me much, and larger ones do. > > My sensitivity changes. Every time I have something happen that is emotionaly challenging, sympoms get worse as do food intolerances. > > One of the things I'm playing with is sort of EMF Feng Shui. In my home there are "hot spots" where I can't stand to be. I rearranged furniture, TV, computers, lamps around. I measured the dirty electricity first. Then remeasured. My son came for several weeks. He has a powerful computer. We had to change the wall it was plugged into to lower the dirty electricity, then things got quieter. I have been really stunned by the dirty electricity thing. Fixing that made a huge difference in my house. > > Previously I had some LED bulbs that upped the dirty electricity. Also, when I can, I turn off many of the circuit breakers. Also, do you have a smart meter? Is that contributing to home problems? The meter I have causes problems. > > Judy > > --- In __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) , ginneen smith <GINNEEN@> wrote: > > > > hope i posted correctly > > JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to shrink away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... > > My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask all my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if they had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. > > However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply think it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like in my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. > > Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was just guesswork. > > I look forward to learning more from this group. > > To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > > From: judyl_nev@ > > Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:39:23 +0000 > > Subject: [eSens] Sensory Overload > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! 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paul, what is your diet like?
i think diet is a very big part of this equation. love, patricia On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:13 AM, [hidden email] wrote: > Already ging in the right ear where the noise is worse, also now when I > look at the pc my vision is going blurred very quickly.. > > oh dear !!! cant move as I ave a family quite happy here and to move - > where to ? out of the frying pan into the fire ?? > > puk > > > In a message dated 8/20/2013 1:16:38 A.M. Dateline Standard Time, > [hidden email] writes: > > > > > You need to move. The tinnitus is from the hair on the cochlear vibrating. > It is equivalent to a concert or a jet engine in the other room. After a > while you will lose your hearing. > > ________________________________ > From: "_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) " <_paulpjc@aol.com_ > (mailto:[hidden email]) > > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:01 AM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > > > I live in a semi detached, but my attached neighbour is very understanding > when it comes to dect phones and he does not use a pc etc so I am lucky at > the moment. My other neighbour who is in a detached house alongside is the > devils apprentice he has at least 2 dects phones and numerous wifi > routers, he undoubtedly enjoys his destructive power over me ! Yes I turn > of nost > of the breakers, for a while I had low frequency rf running through my > wires so I turned off the lot, a man over the road had a stroke or heart > attack and passed away and the next day that crap was off the wires !! I > sleep > really bad and try to change my direction of sleep and ocassionally the > location in the house this helps some how. But I have the neighbours wifi > etc > plus to deal with and spurious stuff coming in from outside. At the moment > my tinitus espessially in my right ear has gone really ape, sounds as bad > as if someone has shot a starter gun next to my ear ! something is up ? I > know exactly how you feel, you just have to keep calm and carry on I > guess. > > puk > > In a message dated 8/19/2013 8:53:35 A.M. Dateline Standard Time, > _GINNEEN@HOTMAIL.COM_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes: > > So Paul, my neighbors are one thing in the apt. I take it you live in a > house. Does turning off the circuit breakers help 100% or are there other > interferences like cell towers and such. And I also take it your house is > not > connected to another. I stayed in a house for awhile - which was a > separate unit, but others didn't take it seriously so I wasn't able to > control > ciruit breakers - but I also found that later housing has as many > electrical > outlets as an apartment - very bothersome. How'd you get around all that? > > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > From: _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:52:24 -0400 > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > your sensitivity seems to have gone along a similar path to mine, I think > when you first experience the symptoms your mind and body go into a real > panic and thus you become over-sensitised to anything over and above your > ES, > over time as you realise that you can do much to help yourself and that > the > feelings and sensations you experience are not necessarily going to kill > you on the spot your nervous system/mind becomes more reassured that the > threat is manageable and does not induce an over-over reaction, the ES > remains > all the same and ebbs and flows or rises and falls on a sort of parabolic > curve depending on numerous factors. When I manage to find employment as a > Building Surveyor I find that one chair/desk location can finish me off > with brain fog in minutes whereas others can take much longer, and of > course > you can begin to become accustomed to feeling like crap in one location, > bit like getting used to the stone in a shoe, you have the intention of > getting it out when the time is right, that time can go on for too long of > cours > and you get a little more injured on the way. With regards your flat, for > me I could not live in one just to many options for getting fried by the > neighbours. > > puk > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 2:45:35 P.M. Dateline Standard Time, > _GINNEEN@HOTMAIL.COM_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes: > > Hi all, I'm Ginneen > > I just saw the post regarding the questions about tolerating my classroom. > I'm so sorry that I haven't been on more - BUT, lol, i'm sure you guys can > understand...... > > The only thing that I ever did to try to alleviate symptoms was the > chelation early on. But even that was less than minimal. perhaps it did > something > overtime. who knows. However, I've been in the same classroom since I > first encountered this 4 years ago. The only thing that makes sense to me > is > that there aren't as many outlets as in my apartment. my classroom is > huge, > whereas my apartment is a regular wifi-ready apartment, with like two > outlets on every wall, small amount of square footage - i just feel as if > everything is on top of me. TV continues to be a problem - the infrared > light > beam, the outlets around my sofa - often when it's bad I have the tv at an > angle, push the remote away, make sure i'm not sitting on the sofa in > front of > the side outlet and the one behind it. It's awful. > > When it first occured, and i might have mentioned this earlier, in the > classroom I had to have just natural light. we kept the flourescents off, > the > computers off. I was so sensitive that i had to ask the kiddies not to > wear > watches or sneak video games into the class. And when they did, I knew it > and could find out exactly who had brought something in by just feeling > the > radiation. I'd go over to that person and confiscate it. It was very > bizarre. My colleagues couldn't even come in with their cell phones it > affected > me immediately. I haven't worn a watch in four years. Today, we can have > the lights on and the computers on. I even have a promethean board - which > I > was very scared to get and scared NOT to get. However, I think that my > body has become acclimated to my home away from home. sometimes i'll feel > something but it just requires me to move away and it passes. Only > occassionally after being in there from 7:00am until 7pm my body starts to > wear down. > And, because I tolerate it doesn't mean I don't worry - because I know > it's > not gone. So what's happening inside plagues me all the time. Same for my > car - it was intolerable, less intolerable now. > > Today I unplug the wifi at night, and the circuit breaker is my saviour. > whatever i'm not using i shut down. What has also helped with the swelling > of my feet when on my laptop at home is wearing the socks that are > prescribed that help with circulation problems. I've been doing that for > two weeks > at home because I was experiencing extreme swelling in my feet and lower > legs when working on the computer - so my feet and legs are happier. Right > now > on the laptop at home, i have tingling, pain, burning and itching in my > chest arms and finger and face. > > I also used to live with someone who had no sensitivity to my situation, > so it was a fighting battle to say I need this off or that off. LOL, i > remember that sometimes I'd be in the kitchen washing dishes and had to > turn the > refrigerator off while i was in there. That sure didn't go over well when > I'd forget to turn it back on when I was done. The things that I've had to > do. Church was also real bad. everyone has some electronic device and the > lights and the electrical equipment for the stage. It's horrible. > > I'm very happy someone decided to open this forum up. I don't feel so > strange and alone. > > To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > From: _psullivan@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:24:26 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > I think your comment about the pineal gland and sleep is right on - that's > > the key starting point for recovery. Having constant EMF sources on at > night is like leaving a flicking light on all night. (EMR is light at a > slower > wavelength). > > My son was diagnosed with sensory integration dysfunction about 12 years > ago. My nervous system is just as sensitive as his, so I feel all the same > things. > > Reducing sensory triggers helped us and so did detox, but it didn't > completely resolve it. > > I finally started to see EMF as a sensory trigger back in 2007. It has > been a long road to finding experts that can help - if you have a building > > biologist in your area, that is really helpful: > > http://hbelc.org/findexpert/enviroconsult.html > > We have made great progress reducing EMFs and slowly seeing the sensory > overload melt away. In retrospect, I think I did everything backwards. If > I > was going to do it all again, I would: > > 1) Turn off DECT cordless phone base stations at night. (ideally, all the > time). The roll out of this continuous source of digital wireless seems to > coincide with the steep inflection in the autism rate around 1987-1998. > > 2) Turn off wi-fi at night as well. (with software config or a timer). > > 3) Reduce dirty electrical noise in the child's bedroom. > > 4) Of course, if you use s baby monitor - unplug it - it's also a constant > source of digital wireless noise. > > Resources: > > My letter to the FCC on this topic: > > http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view;jsessionid=wGlkRPRTXchnmJJ3GFnXWKCvqv > 4dBTJyJhfJyrPrrgDk12gk6sdY!-1272756975!1291806534?id=7520926073 > > The FCC is taking letters on this topic until Sept 3. > > Martha Herbert's (Harvard) paper on autism and EMF: > > http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/sec20_2012_Findi > ngs_in_Autism.pdf > > A shorter paper on autism and EMF: > > http://www.academicjournals.org/ijmms/PDF/pdf2013/Apr/Ahuja%20et%20al.pdf > > An electrosensitve MD in California who treats autism with steps "1 &2" > above and is getting some remarkable results: > > http://www.mdiwellness.com/toril-jelter-md.html > > My favorite EMF Safety resources: > > http://pinterest.com/petermsullivan/emf-safety/ > > --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , Al Harding > <iprovedit@...> wrote: >> >> I believe that "previous home" was the clue. It means that she moved > away from something that was propagating into her bedroom . She is feeling > > better because she is sleeping better. The pineal gland is able to produce > more melatonin and therefor the body is able to repair the damage incurred > throughout the day. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: judyl_nev <judyl_nev@...> >> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:22 PM >> Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload >> >> >> >>  >> What is the clue Al saw? Is it "tolerate"? >> >> Fluorescent lights are one of my worst offenders, especially CFLs. The > four foot fluorescents don't seem as bad? I can tolerate only about 10 > minutes near CFL lighting. >> >> I'm curious how you tolerate your classroom now, not before, and why it > is more tolerable than your apartment. My sister teaches also. She also is > > > more comfortable at school than at home. Her home is an EMF nightmare. I > can't stand being there, it is so uncomfortale. Her husband doesn't > believe > EMFs cause any problem, so refuses to make any changes. In the meantime, > everyone in the house is losing ground with their health. >> >> I'm also curious about laptops and computers. I used to spend much time > on my laptop, before that - a plugged in computer. Now I avoid them > altogether (except when I have to print something). I've tried to figure > out which > component is bothering me, and I don't know. I believe it is the monitor, > not the computer itself. I don't think it's flicker, cause it bothers me > when I'm not looking at the screen. What occured to me recently is that I > wonder if the problem for me is the BATTERY? And maybe that's why small > devices don't bother me much, and larger ones do. >> >> My sensitivity changes. Every time I have something happen that is > emotionaly challenging, sympoms get worse as do food intolerances. >> >> One of the things I'm playing with is sort of EMF Feng Shui. In my home > there are "hot spots" where I can't stand to be. I rearranged furniture, > TV, computers, lamps around. I measured the dirty electricity first. Then > remeasured. My son came for several weeks. He has a powerful computer. We > had > to change the wall it was plugged into to lower the dirty electricity, > then > things got quieter. I have been really stunned by the dirty electricity > thing. Fixing that made a huge difference in my house. >> >> Previously I had some LED bulbs that upped the dirty electricity. Also, > when I can, I turn off many of the circuit breakers. Also, do you have a > smart meter? Is that contributing to home problems? The meter I have > causes > problems. >> >> Judy >> >> --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , ginneen > smith <GINNEEN@> wrote: >>> >>> hope i posted correctly >>> JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF > sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to > shrink > away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend > and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... >>> My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all > flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask > all > my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if > they > had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had > to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. >>> However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% > better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out > why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply > think > it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like > in > my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so > the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is > running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. >>> Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. > briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was > just > guesswork. >>> I look forward to learning more from this group. >>> To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) >>> From: judyl_nev@ >>> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:39:23 +0000 >>> Subject: [eSens] Sensory Overload >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! 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pretty poor really, no overly indulgent or that sugary these days but no
structure to it p In a message dated 8/20/2013 11:51:39 A.M. Dateline Standard Time, [hidden email] writes: paul, what is your diet like? i think diet is a very big part of this equation. love, patricia On Aug 20, 2013, at 11:13 AM, _paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) wrote: > Already ging in the right ear where the noise is worse, also now when I > look at the pc my vision is going blurred very quickly.. > > oh dear !!! cant move as I ave a family quite happy here and to move - > where to ? out of the frying pan into the fire ?? > > puk > > > In a message dated 8/20/2013 1:16:38 A.M. Dateline Standard Time, > _iprovedit@yahoo.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes: > > > > > You need to move. The tinnitus is from the hair on the cochlear > It is equivalent to a concert or a jet engine in the other room. After a > while you will lose your hearing. > > ________________________________ > From: "__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) " <__paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ > (mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > > To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > Sent: Tuesday, August 20, 2013 3:01 AM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > > > I live in a semi detached, but my attached neighbour is very understanding > when it comes to dect phones and he does not use a pc etc so I am lucky at > the moment. My other neighbour who is in a detached house alongside is the > devils apprentice he has at least 2 dects phones and numerous wifi > routers, he undoubtedly enjoys his destructive power over me ! Yes I turn > of nost > of the breakers, for a while I had low frequency rf running through my > wires so I turned off the lot, a man over the road had a stroke or heart > attack and passed away and the next day that crap was off the wires !! I > sleep > really bad and try to change my direction of sleep and ocassionally the > location in the house this helps some how. But I have the neighbours wifi > etc > plus to deal with and spurious stuff coming in from outside. At the moment > my tinitus espessially in my right ear has gone really ape, sounds as bad > as if someone has shot a starter gun next to my ear ! something is up ? I > know exactly how you feel, you just have to keep calm and carry on I > guess. > > puk > > In a message dated 8/19/2013 8:53:35 A.M. Dateline Standard Time, > __GINNEEN@HOTMAIL.COM_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_GINNEEN@HOTMAIL.COM_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) writes: > > So Paul, my neighbors are one thing in the apt. I take it you live in a > house. Does turning off the circuit breakers help 100% or are there other > interferences like cell towers and such. And I also take it your house is > not > connected to another. I stayed in a house for awhile - which was a > separate unit, but others didn't take it seriously so I wasn't able to > control > ciruit breakers - but I also found that later housing has as many > electrical > outlets as an apartment - very bothersome. How'd you get around all that? > > To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > From: __paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_paulpjc@aol.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > Date: Mon, 19 Aug 2013 07:52:24 -0400 > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > your sensitivity seems to have gone along a similar path to mine, I think > when you first experience the symptoms your mind and body go into a real > panic and thus you become over-sensitised to anything over and above your > ES, > over time as you realise that you can do much to help yourself and that > the > feelings and sensations you experience are not necessarily going to kill > you on the spot your nervous system/mind becomes more reassured that the > threat is manageable and does not induce an over-over reaction, the ES > remains > all the same and ebbs and flows or rises and falls on a sort of parabolic > curve depending on numerous factors. When I manage to find employment as a > Building Surveyor I find that one chair/desk location can finish me off > with brain fog in minutes whereas others can take much longer, and of > course > you can begin to become accustomed to feeling like crap in one location, > bit like getting used to the stone in a shoe, you have the intention of > getting it out when the time is right, that time can go on for too long of > cours > and you get a little more injured on the way. With regards your flat, for > me I could not live in one just to many options for getting fried by the > neighbours. > > puk > > In a message dated 8/18/2013 2:45:35 P.M. Dateline Standard Time, > __GINNEEN@HOTMAIL.COM_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_GINNEEN@HOTMAIL.COM_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) writes: > > Hi all, I'm Ginneen > > I just saw the post regarding the questions about tolerating my classroom. > I'm so sorry that I haven't been on more - BUT, lol, i'm sure you guys can > understand...... > > The only thing that I ever did to try to alleviate symptoms was the > chelation early on. But even that was less than minimal. perhaps it did > something > overtime. who knows. However, I've been in the same classroom since I > first encountered this 4 years ago. The only thing that makes sense to me > is > that there aren't as many outlets as in my apartment. my classroom is > huge, > whereas my apartment is a regular wifi-ready apartment, with like two > outlets on every wall, small amount of square footage - i just feel as if > everything is on top of me. TV continues to be a problem - the infrared > light > beam, the outlets around my sofa - often when it's bad I have the tv at an > angle, push the remote away, make sure i'm not sitting on the sofa in > front of > the side outlet and the one behind it. It's awful. > > When it first occured, and i might have mentioned this earlier, in the > classroom I had to have just natural light. we kept the flourescents off, > the > computers off. I was so sensitive that i had to ask the kiddies not to > wear > watches or sneak video games into the class. And when they did, I knew it > and could find out exactly who had brought something in by just feeling > the > radiation. I'd go over to that person and confiscate it. It was very > bizarre. My colleagues couldn't even come in with their cell phones it > affected > me immediately. I haven't worn a watch in four years. Today, we can have > the lights on and the computers on. I even have a promethean board - which > I > was very scared to get and scared NOT to get. However, I think that my > body has become acclimated to my home away from home. sometimes i'll feel > something but it just requires me to move away and it passes. Only > occassionally after being in there from 7:00am until 7pm my body starts to > wear down. > And, because I tolerate it doesn't mean I don't worry - because I know > it's > not gone. So what's happening inside plagues me all the time. Same for my > car - it was intolerable, less intolerable now. > > Today I unplug the wifi at night, and the circuit breaker is my saviour. > whatever i'm not using i shut down. What has also helped with the swelling > of my feet when on my laptop at home is wearing the socks that are > prescribed that help with circulation problems. I've been doing that for > two weeks > at home because I was experiencing extreme swelling in my feet and lower > legs when working on the computer - so my feet and legs are happier. Right > now > on the laptop at home, i have tingling, pain, burning and itching in my > chest arms and finger and face. > > I also used to live with someone who had no sensitivity to my situation, > so it was a fighting battle to say I need this off or that off. LOL, i > remember that sometimes I'd be in the kitchen washing dishes and had to > turn the > refrigerator off while i was in there. That sure didn't go over well when > I'd forget to turn it back on when I was done. The things that I've had to > do. Church was also real bad. everyone has some electronic device and the > lights and the electrical equipment for the stage. It's horrible. > > I'm very happy someone decided to open this forum up. I don't feel so > strange and alone. > > To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > From: __psullivan@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_psullivan@gmail.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) > Date: Sun, 18 Aug 2013 19:24:26 +0000 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload > > I think your comment about the pineal gland and sleep is right on - that's > > the key starting point for recovery. Having constant EMF sources on at > night is like leaving a flicking light on all night. (EMR is light at a > slower > wavelength). > > My son was diagnosed with sensory integration dysfunction about 12 years > ago. My nervous system is just as sensitive as his, so I feel all the same > things. > > Reducing sensory triggers helped us and so did detox, but it didn't > completely resolve it. > > I finally started to see EMF as a sensory trigger back in 2007. It has > been a long road to finding experts that can help - if you have a building > > biologist in your area, that is really helpful: > > http://hbelc.org/findexpert/enviroconsult.html > > We have made great progress reducing EMFs and slowly seeing the sensory > overload melt away. In retrospect, I think I did everything backwards. If > I > was going to do it all again, I would: > > 1) Turn off DECT cordless phone base stations at night. (ideally, all the > time). The roll out of this continuous source of digital wireless seems to > coincide with the steep inflection in the autism rate around 1987-1998. > > 2) Turn off wi-fi at night as well. (with software config or a timer). > > 3) Reduce dirty electrical noise in the child's bedroom. > > 4) Of course, if you use s baby monitor - unplug it - it's also a constant > source of digital wireless noise. > > Resources: > > My letter to the FCC on this topic: > > http://apps.fcc.gov/ecfs/document/view;jsessionid=wGlkRPRTXchnmJJ3GFnXWKCvqv > 4dBTJyJhfJyrPrrgDk12gk6sdY!-1272756975!1291806534?id=7520926073 > > The FCC is taking letters on this topic until Sept 3. > > Martha Herbert's (Harvard) paper on autism and EMF: > > http://www.bioinitiative.org/report/wp-content/uploads/pdfs/sec20_2012_Findi > ngs_in_Autism.pdf > > A shorter paper on autism and EMF: > > http://www.academicjournals.org/ijmms/PDF/pdf2013/Apr/Ahuja%20et%20al.pdf > > An electrosensitve MD in California who treats autism with steps "1 &2" > above and is getting some remarkable results: > > http://www.mdiwellness.com/toril-jelter-md.html > > My favorite EMF Safety resources: > > http://pinterest.com/petermsullivan/emf-safety/ > > --- In __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ > <iprovedit@...> wrote: >> >> I believe that "previous home" was the clue. It means that she moved > away from something that was propagating into her bedroom . She is feeling > > better because she is sleeping better. The pineal gland is able to produce > more melatonin and therefor the body is able to repair the damage incurred > throughout the day. >> >> >> ________________________________ >> From: judyl_nev <judyl_nev@...> >> To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >> Sent: Saturday, July 27, 2013 9:22 PM >> Subject: [eSens] Re: Sensory Overload >> >> >> >>  >> What is the clue Al saw? Is it "tolerate"? >> >> Fluorescent lights are one of my worst offenders, especially CFLs. The > four foot fluorescents don't seem as bad? I can tolerate only about 10 > minutes near CFL lighting. >> >> I'm curious how you tolerate your classroom now, not before, and why it > is more tolerable than your apartment. My sister teaches also. She also > > > more comfortable at school than at home. Her home is an EMF nightmare. I > can't stand being there, it is so uncomfortale. Her husband doesn't > believe > EMFs cause any problem, so refuses to make any changes. In the meantime, > everyone in the house is losing ground with their health. >> >> I'm also curious about laptops and computers. I used to spend much time > on my laptop, before that - a plugged in computer. Now I avoid them > altogether (except when I have to print something). I've tried to figure > out which > component is bothering me, and I don't know. I believe it is the > not the computer itself. I don't think it's flicker, cause it bothers me > when I'm not looking at the screen. What occured to me recently is that I > wonder if the problem for me is the BATTERY? And maybe that's why small > devices don't bother me much, and larger ones do. >> >> My sensitivity changes. Every time I have something happen that is > emotionaly challenging, sympoms get worse as do food intolerances. >> >> One of the things I'm playing with is sort of EMF Feng Shui. In my home > there are "hot spots" where I can't stand to be. I rearranged furniture, > TV, computers, lamps around. I measured the dirty electricity first. Then > remeasured. My son came for several weeks. He has a powerful computer. We > had > to change the wall it was plugged into to lower the dirty electricity, > then > things got quieter. I have been really stunned by the dirty electricity > thing. Fixing that made a huge difference in my house. >> >> Previously I had some LED bulbs that upped the dirty electricity. Also, > when I can, I turn off many of the circuit breakers. Also, do you have a > smart meter? Is that contributing to home problems? The meter I have > causes > problems. >> >> Judy >> >> --- In __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ > smith <GINNEEN@> wrote: >>> >>> hope i posted correctly >>> JUDY, you sound just like me when I first encountered my EMF > sensitivity. It was really painful to go into Walmart - I felt I wanted to > shrink > away from the bright lights - I too went into a SPRINT store with a friend > and had to wait outside.....church, concerts, you name it..... >>> My classroom was also REALLY bad. The first year I had to keep all > flourescent lights off (luckily principal was understanding) I had to ask > all > my students to not wear watches, leave all video games at home, and if > they > had a phone we had to ask my next door neighbor to put it away. and we had > to keep our 6 computers off - it was horrible. >>> However, today (4 or so years later) I can tolerate my classroom 200% > better than I can my apartment, previous home, etc. I cannot figure out > why. I haven't done any of the stuff the other posters have. I simply > think > it's because the area is much bigger and things are moe spread out - like > in > my apartment there are outlets on every wall, the area space is smaller so > the tv, dvd player, computer etc. I can just gather all that stuff is > running into other stuff - to make for a much more hostile environment. >>> Today, I'm mainly affected only by my laptop...I don't know why. > briefly at the beginning i was going for chelation treatments - but it was > just > guesswork. >>> I look forward to learning more from this group. >>> To: __eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) _ (mailto:_eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ) >>> From: judyl_nev@ >>> Date: Sat, 27 Jul 2013 23:39:23 +0000 >>> Subject: [eSens] Sensory Overload >>> >>> >> >> >> >> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] >> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > ------------------------------------ > > Yahoo! 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