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Self introduction and message from Spain

BiBrun
Hi everyone,

I honestly do have a Ph.D. in physics (my sub-field being biophysics)
and I am, as of the last few months, electrically sensitive. My most
clear symptom is tinnitus which reached Class 5 ("Catastrophic")
before I started avoiding exposure. I can 'hear' cell phone towers,
and often know where they (and verify it with a meter) even when
they're fairly well disguised. I'm also affected by ELF (60 Hz +
harmonics) fields, but the onset seems to be more gradual, peaking
after several hours. I have shielded my car windows (manufacturer
claims tint tests 30+ dB for microwaves) and part of my house
(Y-shield).

I get relief from lying on the ground in my back yard (the lower down,
the less microwaves, and out of the house, less ELF. I also find warm
baths with a bit of salt (I use epsom + sea mixed) help. I started
taking Ginko and I think that may help. Also recommend Melatonin.
Tried other stuff with no clear results. I do also find that wearing
the 'silver lining scarf' over my head helps in many situations. I
also now wear gloves when I use the computer--the ones I have are
designed to conduct static charge. I do think (or possibly imagine)
they help my hands not get tense. I probably will never use a laptop
keyboard again (try holding a radio or a meter up to one). Same goes
for cell phones and cordless phones (I did use them on speaker mode
for a while after I knew I had this problem).

I am interested in trying to figure out the biophysical mechanism
behind EHS.

For those who missed the Good Morning America show about the EHS
woman in London, it's at abcnews.go.com/GMA/Technology/story?id=3289619
their web site
and you can play the video on the right.


I just found out that this Sunday has been declared:

24 JUNE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST ELECTROMAGNETIC POLLUTION

The 24th June is the international day against electromagnetic
pollution. Electromagnetic pollution is a continuous exposure to
electromagnetic fields generated mainly by high-voltage power lines
and electric power substations, but also by mobile telephony aerials,
radio links, and telecommunication systems (Wifi, Wimax).

That day several organizations of people affected,
neighbourhood associations and environmentalists want to complain
against the unsustainable increase of electromagnetic pollution
associated with the uncontrolled proliferation of electric
infrastructures and telecommunications networks, which has become an
environmental and public health problem, and we advocate the need for
a thorough review of the regulations that apply to this type of
activities.

As for the electromagnetic pollution generated by low
frequency electromagnetic fields (power lines and electric
substations), neighbourhood actions against projects for the
installation of a substation in both Patraix (Valencia) and Santa Mara
de Grado (Asturias), or the struggle against power lines in Lada
-Velilla (Asturias- Len), or the project to develop a high-tension
interconnection with France in Catalu1a are examples of a deep concern
about the impacts and possible public health effects of this
uncontrolled and chaotic proliferation in rural and urban areas.

There are also legal actions, such as the sentence
against an electric company based on the electromagnetic pollution
generated by a transformer in Murcia, and the resolution of the
Audiencia Provincial de Castelln that forced the dismantlement of a
transformer in Burriana considering that there was reasonable and
significant evidence to prove that the level of exposure in the
households was a risk factor. These actions reveal a long fight
against the environmental and public health impacts of a continuous
exposure to low frequency electromagnetic fields, such as those
generated by high or medium voltage power lines, substations,
transformers and electric infrastructures.

We believe a significant change is needed in the 1997 Electric
Sector Law and in the regulations that apply to high voltage power
lines and electric substations as well as in the autonomous region
legislation, introducing precaution criteria, security distances, land
specifically reserved for these infrastructures outside residential
areas and a significant reduction of the levels of exposure to
electromagnetic fields.

Protests against the high frequency electromagnetic
field emissions and the pulsating microwaves created by mobile
telephony aerials and telecommunication systems has been continuous
all over Spain, against national regulations dictated by operators.
There are many international forums that warn of the possible effects
and risks for the public health (Declarations of Vienna 1998, Salzburg
2000, Roccaraso 2000, Alcal=E1 de Henares 2002, Catania 2002, Freiburg
2002, Benevento 2006). European epidemiological studies and scientific
programmes such as REFLEX warn us of the changes at cellular and
sub-cellular level with the subsequent negative consequences for
wildlife, the environment and the health of human beings.

Therefore, it is essential to develop a programme and a public,
national and independent research with epidemiological studies of the
public health effects, and a thorough review of current regulations
based on public involvement in the positioning of aerials and public
exposure limits that prevent the diseases and cellular changes mentioned
in those studies. It is also necessary to change the General
Telecommunications Law and the national and autonomous region
regulations with regard to the radio electric space.


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Re: Self introduction and message from Spain

Andrew McAfee
I think there is more going on than I understand and I believe that the
EM frequencies are freeing up toxins that have lodged within fats and
tissues and releasing them into the blood stream.
Andrew


On Jun 20, 2007, at 9:44 PM, bb_physics_phd wrote:

> I am interested in trying to figure out the biophysical mechanism
> behind EHS.

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Marc Martin
Administrator
Andrew McAfee wrote:
> I think there is more going on than I understand and I believe that the
> EM frequencies are freeing up toxins that have lodged within fats and
> tissues and releasing them into the blood stream.

I think this is also the case.

However, the mobilization of toxins would probably also happen for a
"normal" person, so I think an ES person must also have a problem where
the usual processes of detoxification in the liver/kidneys/colon are not
working 100%.

Marc

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liver

Andrew McAfee
I have a liver problem too, Hyperbilirubinemia.
My Bilirubin count has been high for at least a year. Also some liver
enzymes are very high.
Tested negative for Hepatitis A, B and C and.
Ultrasound confirmed no blockage in bile ducts.
Have been taking many herbs to unclog the liver in addition to gall
bladder flushes and acupuncture.
Viral/bacterial infection?
My doctor is hoping my current treatments of 8,000 IU of vitamin D a
day and weekly UV Light treatments of the blood will kill off the bad
stuff and help get the immune system working again to the point where
it corrects itself.
We'll see.
Andrew

On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Marc Martin wrote:

> Andrew McAfee wrote:
>> I think there is more going on than I understand and I believe that
>> the
>> EM frequencies are freeing up toxins that have lodged within fats and
>> tissues and releasing them into the blood stream.
>
> I think this is also the case.
>
> However, the mobilization of toxins would probably also happen for a
> "normal" person, so I think an ES person must also have a problem where
> the usual processes of detoxification in the liver/kidneys/colon are
> not
> working 100%.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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furnitureguru1
Good luck Andrew. The best gall bladder, liver flush is by Hulda Clark.

I've done it with good results. Good luck man.
Paul
----- Original Message -----
From: Andrew McAfee
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:19 AM
Subject: [eSens] liver


I have a liver problem too, Hyperbilirubinemia.
My Bilirubin count has been high for at least a year. Also some liver
enzymes are very high.
Tested negative for Hepatitis A, B and C and.
Ultrasound confirmed no blockage in bile ducts.
Have been taking many herbs to unclog the liver in addition to gall
bladder flushes and acupuncture.
Viral/bacterial infection?
My doctor is hoping my current treatments of 8,000 IU of vitamin D a
day and weekly UV Light treatments of the blood will kill off the bad
stuff and help get the immune system working again to the point where
it corrects itself.
We'll see.
Andrew

On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Marc Martin wrote:

> Andrew McAfee wrote:
>> I think there is more going on than I understand and I believe that
>> the
>> EM frequencies are freeing up toxins that have lodged within fats and
>> tissues and releasing them into the blood stream.
>
> I think this is also the case.
>
> However, the mobilization of toxins would probably also happen for a
> "normal" person, so I think an ES person must also have a problem where
> the usual processes of detoxification in the liver/kidneys/colon are
> not
> working 100%.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>



   

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Andrew McAfee
Me too. 4 times
On Jun 21, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Paul Bourgeois wrote:

> Good luck Andrew. The best gall bladder, liver flush is by Hulda
> Clark.
>
> I've done it with good results. Good luck man.
> Paul
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew McAfee
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:19 AM
> Subject: [eSens] liver
>
>
> I have a liver problem too, Hyperbilirubinemia.
> My Bilirubin count has been high for at least a year. Also some liver
> enzymes are very high.
> Tested negative for Hepatitis A, B and C and.
> Ultrasound confirmed no blockage in bile ducts.
> Have been taking many herbs to unclog the liver in addition to gall
> bladder flushes and acupuncture.
> Viral/bacterial infection?
> My doctor is hoping my current treatments of 8,000 IU of vitamin D a
> day and weekly UV Light treatments of the blood will kill off the bad
> stuff and help get the immune system working again to the point where
> it corrects itself.
> We'll see.
> Andrew
>
> On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Marc Martin wrote:
>
>> Andrew McAfee wrote:
>>> I think there is more going on than I understand and I believe that
>>> the
>>> EM frequencies are freeing up toxins that have lodged within fats and
>>> tissues and releasing them into the blood stream.
>>
>> I think this is also the case.
>>
>> However, the mobilization of toxins would probably also happen for a
>> "normal" person, so I think an ES person must also have a problem
>> where
>> the usual processes of detoxification in the liver/kidneys/colon are
>> not
>> working 100%.
>>
>> Marc
>>
>>
>>
>> Yahoo! Groups Links
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Marc Martin
Administrator
>> Good luck Andrew. The best gall bladder, liver flush is by Hulda
>> Clark.

> Me too. 4 times

I did the Hulda Clark liver flush over 10 times, and never noticed
much improvement at all from this. I did however see a lot of
strange stuff come out of me, so it must have done SOMETHING...

Marc

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charles-4
With most people the elektrosmog is attacking the liver.

The stuff coming out is not strange.
It consists fof gallstones together with cholesterol stones.

Many people who did this 24 hour priceless liver cleansing method, did feel
afterwards much better.
They were less bothered by the elektrosmog, and had more energy.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus



----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 19:19
Subject: Re: [eSens] liver


>>> Good luck Andrew. The best gall bladder, liver flush is by Hulda
>>> Clark.
>
>> Me too. 4 times
>
> I did the Hulda Clark liver flush over 10 times, and never noticed
> much improvement at all from this. I did however see a lot of
> strange stuff come out of me, so it must have done SOMETHING...
>
> Marc
>
>

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Re: Self introduction and message from Spain

pete robinson
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andrew that is a good assumption

On 21 Jun 2007, at 13:13, Andrew McAfee wrote:

> I think there is more going on than I understand and I believe that the
> EM frequencies are freeing up toxins that have lodged within fats and
> tissues and releasing them into the blood stream.
> Andrew
>
> On Jun 20, 2007, at 9:44 PM, bb_physics_phd wrote:
>
> > I am interested in trying to figure out the biophysical mechanism
> > behind EHS.
>
>
>  
>  

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BiBrun
Thanks for the replies!

I'm also beginning to think that neurotoxins are somehow involved.
PBDE's are everywhere--notably in computers, but also most fabrics etc..

Having read Salford's 2003 paper, I do think there could be some (hopefully
localized)
nerve damage at work. I was just reading that Alzheimer's & Parkinson's
are now thought to both involve accumulation of aggregates of a
misfolded protein (and similarly mad cow disease). It seems to me
the energy needed to cause a protein to misfold is not very high,
especially if it had a mutation. And once the aggregates are there,
misfolding may become even easier.

-Bill

PS: The message I included in my first message was from Spain, but I am
not...


On 6/21/07, pete robinson <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
> andrew that is a good assumption
>
> On 21 Jun 2007, at 13:13, Andrew McAfee wrote:
>
> > I think there is more going on than I understand and I believe that the
> > EM frequencies are freeing up toxins that have lodged within fats and
> > tissues and releasing them into the blood stream.
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Jun 20, 2007, at 9:44 PM, bb_physics_phd wrote:
> >
> > > I am interested in trying to figure out the biophysical mechanism
> > > behind EHS.
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>


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Marc Martin
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> The stuff coming out is not strange.
> It consists fof gallstones together with cholesterol stones.

The stuff that I was referring to looked like black gravel. This
is different than the green blobs that most people report (and
I also saw on other flushes)

Marc

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Snoshoe
In reply to this post by BiBrun
Welcome Spain :),

You might find a paper I posted not long ago in the "files" section
of this group interesting. A lot of Drs. just paid a lot of money to
go hear it in three broken down presentations in Dallas.
"EMF and RF Emission".

The short summary is that all radiation, whether by chemical or
photon is ionizing. Demyelinization is a huge problem from that.

THAT,-radiation-, is your biophysical answer. The variation is the
individuals overall exposure and constitution they started with.

My father and I have both found Gingko helpful for tinnitus.

~ Snoshoe



--- In [hidden email], "bb_physics_phd" <wbruno@...> wrote:
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I honestly do have a Ph.D. in physics (my sub-field being
biophysics)
> and I am, as of the last few months, electrically sensitive. My
most

> clear symptom is tinnitus which reached Class 5 ("Catastrophic")
> before I started avoiding exposure. I can 'hear' cell phone towers,
> and often know where they (and verify it with a meter) even when
> they're fairly well disguised. I'm also affected by ELF (60 Hz +
> harmonics) fields, but the onset seems to be more gradual, peaking
> after several hours. I have shielded my car windows (manufacturer
> claims tint tests 30+ dB for microwaves) and part of my house
> (Y-shield).
>
> I get relief from lying on the ground in my back yard (the lower
down,
> the less microwaves, and out of the house, less ELF. I also find
warm
> baths with a bit of salt (I use epsom + sea mixed) help. I started
> taking Ginko and I think that may help. Also recommend Melatonin.
> Tried other stuff with no clear results. I do also find that
wearing
> the 'silver lining scarf' over my head helps in many situations. I
> also now wear gloves when I use the computer--the ones I have are
> designed to conduct static charge. I do think (or possibly imagine)
> they help my hands not get tense. I probably will never use a
laptop
> keyboard again (try holding a radio or a meter up to one). Same
goes
> for cell phones and cordless phones (I did use them on speaker mode
> for a while after I knew I had this problem).
>
> I am interested in trying to figure out the biophysical mechanism
> behind EHS.

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Snoshoe
In reply to this post by Andrew McAfee
Hey Andrew,
I was just thinking, have you tried FIR lights or saunas? I know the UV
is for breaking down the bilirubin, but the other might help you sweat
that and other stuff out.

I sometimes just sleep with my 250watt one on me all night. Feels great.
Well, I don't about as it warms up in the summer, but up to now it's
been good. :)

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:

>
> I have a liver problem too, Hyperbilirubinemia.
> My Bilirubin count has been high for at least a year. Also some liver
> enzymes are very high.
> Tested negative for Hepatitis A, B and C and.
> Ultrasound confirmed no blockage in bile ducts.
> Have been taking many herbs to unclog the liver in addition to gall
> bladder flushes and acupuncture.
> Viral/bacterial infection?
> My doctor is hoping my current treatments of 8,000 IU of vitamin D a
> day and weekly UV Light treatments of the blood will kill off the bad
> stuff and help get the immune system working again to the point where
> it corrects itself.
> We'll see.
> Andrew

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Marc Martin
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m.a.norman wrote:
> Does anyone else have large brown spots on the backs of their hands? Mine
> are very bad and I think it's a combination of the incoming pollution and
> the electronic problems I have. I feel so ashamed of them.

When I was at my worst (6 years ago), I had some brown spots on my face.
These faded away with all my detoxification efforts, and I think they
are mostly gone now.

Marc

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Andrew McAfee
I had brown spots all over my body when I was heavily detoxing with
mercury chelators, etc. I think I kicked too much up in my system at
once. They have lessened as of late but not all gone.
I too have seen others with them on their arms and body and I think it
is from toxins unable to get out of the body.
Andrew
On Jun 22, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Marc Martin wrote:

> m.a.norman wrote:
>> Does anyone else have large brown spots on the backs of their hands?
>> Mine
>> are very bad and I think it's a combination of the incoming pollution
>> and
>> the electronic problems I have. I feel so ashamed of them.
>
> When I was at my worst (6 years ago), I had some brown spots on my
> face.
> These faded away with all my detoxification efforts, and I think they
> are mostly gone now.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

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Yolanda LaCombe
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Hi Maureen

I just signed on. I am on a few other EMF lists but I love this one.
I am working on an introductory post but I want to jump in on this one.

My husband has several on his arms. He has been going through a deep
course of classical homeopathy and they got worse. He finally went to
the butcher and got a couple of butterfly (thin) cuts of steak. He
kept one on for about 24 hours and they lightened considerably but
they were pretty hot to the touch. He then applied organic castor
oil and wrapped it in saran and went to sleep. The next morning the
spots were significantly diminished. He is now sleeping with a
poultice of the second steak.

The homeopath thinks that he has a very old virus from when he was
about 9 years old. Classical homeopathy is a tough course to follow
but John has had so many problems for about 10 years that it has
been very worthwhile. I don't think there are too many good classical
homeopaths around.

Good health to you all and I will finish my intro soon.

Yolanda

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Yolanda LaCombe
This post was updated on .
Or if one looked at it from a homeopathic perspective of like cures
like the meat was curing the meat of his body. At one point with the
brown spots they turned very angry and red and a bit bloody looking.
This might have been part of the homepathic aggravation (bringing the
dis-ease out so that it can exit the body). A steak poultice is a
very old remedy for a black eye.

Good health,

Yolanda
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Ian Kemp
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Welcome to the group!
 
As you'll see from the replies so far, and the archived messages in the
group, there are several different interwoven ideas about the origins of
EHS.
 
My first question would be, do you also have MCS (multiple chemical
sensitivity) or immune system disorders? For many people this seems to
weaken the body so that it becomes susceptible to EMF.
 
Low magnesium levels are sometimes suggested as a factor in worsening
tinnitus (e.g. by Breakspear Hospital UK). This could fit with your
experience of benefiting from salt baths, as Epsom salts are magnesium
sulphate and should absorb through the skin.
 
Ian

_____  

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
bb_physics_phd
Sent: 21 June 2007 02:44
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Self introduction and message from Spain



Hi everyone,

I honestly do have a Ph.D. in physics (my sub-field being biophysics)
and I am, as of the last few months, electrically sensitive. My most
clear symptom is tinnitus which reached Class 5 ("Catastrophic")
before I started avoiding exposure. I can 'hear' cell phone towers,
and often know where they (and verify it with a meter) even when
they're fairly well disguised. I'm also affected by ELF (60 Hz +
harmonics) fields, but the onset seems to be more gradual, peaking
after several hours. I have shielded my car windows (manufacturer
claims tint tests 30+ dB for microwaves) and part of my house
(Y-shield).

I get relief from lying on the ground in my back yard (the lower down,
the less microwaves, and out of the house, less ELF. I also find warm
baths with a bit of salt (I use epsom + sea mixed) help. I started
taking Ginko and I think that may help. Also recommend Melatonin.
Tried other stuff with no clear results. I do also find that wearing
the 'silver lining scarf' over my head helps in many situations. I
also now wear gloves when I use the computer--the ones I have are
designed to conduct static charge. I do think (or possibly imagine)
they help my hands not get tense. I probably will never use a laptop
keyboard again (try holding a radio or a meter up to one). Same goes
for cell phones and cordless phones (I did use them on speaker mode
for a while after I knew I had this problem).

I am interested in trying to figure out the biophysical mechanism
behind EHS.

For those who missed the Good Morning America show about the EHS
woman in London, it's at abcnews.go.com/GMA/Technology/story?id=3289619
their web site
and you can play the video on the right.

I just found out that this Sunday has been declared:

24 JUNE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST ELECTROMAGNETIC POLLUTION

The 24th June is the international day against electromagnetic
pollution. Electromagnetic pollution is a continuous exposure to
electromagnetic fields generated mainly by high-voltage power lines
and electric power substations, but also by mobile telephony aerials,
radio links, and telecommunication systems (Wifi, Wimax).

That day several organizations of people affected,
neighbourhood associations and environmentalists want to complain
against the unsustainable increase of electromagnetic pollution
associated with the uncontrolled proliferation of electric
infrastructures and telecommunications networks, which has become an
environmental and public health problem, and we advocate the need for
a thorough review of the regulations that apply to this type of
activities.

As for the electromagnetic pollution generated by low
frequency electromagnetic fields (power lines and electric
substations), neighbourhood actions against projects for the
installation of a substation in both Patraix (Valencia) and Santa Mara
de Grado (Asturias), or the struggle against power lines in Lada
-Velilla (Asturias- Len), or the project to develop a high-tension
interconnection with France in Catalu1a are examples of a deep concern
about the impacts and possible public health effects of this
uncontrolled and chaotic proliferation in rural and urban areas.

There are also legal actions, such as the sentence
against an electric company based on the electromagnetic pollution
generated by a transformer in Murcia, and the resolution of the
Audiencia Provincial de Castelln that forced the dismantlement of a
transformer in Burriana considering that there was reasonable and
significant evidence to prove that the level of exposure in the
households was a risk factor. These actions reveal a long fight
against the environmental and public health impacts of a continuous
exposure to low frequency electromagnetic fields, such as those
generated by high or medium voltage power lines, substations,
transformers and electric infrastructures.

We believe a significant change is needed in the 1997 Electric
Sector Law and in the regulations that apply to high voltage power
lines and electric substations as well as in the autonomous region
legislation, introducing precaution criteria, security distances, land
specifically reserved for these infrastructures outside residential
areas and a significant reduction of the levels of exposure to
electromagnetic fields.

Protests against the high frequency electromagnetic
field emissions and the pulsating microwaves created by mobile
telephony aerials and telecommunication systems has been continuous
all over Spain, against national regulations dictated by operators.
There are many international forums that warn of the possible effects
and risks for the public health (Declarations of Vienna 1998, Salzburg
2000, Roccaraso 2000, Alcal=E1 de Henares 2002, Catania 2002, Freiburg
2002, Benevento 2006). European epidemiological studies and scientific
programmes such as REFLEX warn us of the changes at cellular and
sub-cellular level with the subsequent negative consequences for
wildlife, the environment and the health of human beings.

Therefore, it is essential to develop a programme and a public,
national and independent research with epidemiological studies of the
public health effects, and a thorough review of current regulations
based on public involvement in the positioning of aerials and public
exposure limits that prevent the diseases and cellular changes mentioned
in those studies. It is also necessary to change the General
Telecommunications Law and the national and autonomous region
regulations with regard to the radio electric space.

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