Hi everyone,
I honestly do have a Ph.D. in physics (my sub-field being biophysics) and I am, as of the last few months, electrically sensitive. My most clear symptom is tinnitus which reached Class 5 ("Catastrophic") before I started avoiding exposure. I can 'hear' cell phone towers, and often know where they (and verify it with a meter) even when they're fairly well disguised. I'm also affected by ELF (60 Hz + harmonics) fields, but the onset seems to be more gradual, peaking after several hours. I have shielded my car windows (manufacturer claims tint tests 30+ dB for microwaves) and part of my house (Y-shield). I get relief from lying on the ground in my back yard (the lower down, the less microwaves, and out of the house, less ELF. I also find warm baths with a bit of salt (I use epsom + sea mixed) help. I started taking Ginko and I think that may help. Also recommend Melatonin. Tried other stuff with no clear results. I do also find that wearing the 'silver lining scarf' over my head helps in many situations. I also now wear gloves when I use the computer--the ones I have are designed to conduct static charge. I do think (or possibly imagine) they help my hands not get tense. I probably will never use a laptop keyboard again (try holding a radio or a meter up to one). Same goes for cell phones and cordless phones (I did use them on speaker mode for a while after I knew I had this problem). I am interested in trying to figure out the biophysical mechanism behind EHS. For those who missed the Good Morning America show about the EHS woman in London, it's at abcnews.go.com/GMA/Technology/story?id=3289619 their web site and you can play the video on the right. I just found out that this Sunday has been declared: 24 JUNE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST ELECTROMAGNETIC POLLUTION The 24th June is the international day against electromagnetic pollution. Electromagnetic pollution is a continuous exposure to electromagnetic fields generated mainly by high-voltage power lines and electric power substations, but also by mobile telephony aerials, radio links, and telecommunication systems (Wifi, Wimax). That day several organizations of people affected, neighbourhood associations and environmentalists want to complain against the unsustainable increase of electromagnetic pollution associated with the uncontrolled proliferation of electric infrastructures and telecommunications networks, which has become an environmental and public health problem, and we advocate the need for a thorough review of the regulations that apply to this type of activities. As for the electromagnetic pollution generated by low frequency electromagnetic fields (power lines and electric substations), neighbourhood actions against projects for the installation of a substation in both Patraix (Valencia) and Santa Mara de Grado (Asturias), or the struggle against power lines in Lada -Velilla (Asturias- Len), or the project to develop a high-tension interconnection with France in Catalu1a are examples of a deep concern about the impacts and possible public health effects of this uncontrolled and chaotic proliferation in rural and urban areas. There are also legal actions, such as the sentence against an electric company based on the electromagnetic pollution generated by a transformer in Murcia, and the resolution of the Audiencia Provincial de Castelln that forced the dismantlement of a transformer in Burriana considering that there was reasonable and significant evidence to prove that the level of exposure in the households was a risk factor. These actions reveal a long fight against the environmental and public health impacts of a continuous exposure to low frequency electromagnetic fields, such as those generated by high or medium voltage power lines, substations, transformers and electric infrastructures. We believe a significant change is needed in the 1997 Electric Sector Law and in the regulations that apply to high voltage power lines and electric substations as well as in the autonomous region legislation, introducing precaution criteria, security distances, land specifically reserved for these infrastructures outside residential areas and a significant reduction of the levels of exposure to electromagnetic fields. Protests against the high frequency electromagnetic field emissions and the pulsating microwaves created by mobile telephony aerials and telecommunication systems has been continuous all over Spain, against national regulations dictated by operators. There are many international forums that warn of the possible effects and risks for the public health (Declarations of Vienna 1998, Salzburg 2000, Roccaraso 2000, Alcal=E1 de Henares 2002, Catania 2002, Freiburg 2002, Benevento 2006). European epidemiological studies and scientific programmes such as REFLEX warn us of the changes at cellular and sub-cellular level with the subsequent negative consequences for wildlife, the environment and the health of human beings. Therefore, it is essential to develop a programme and a public, national and independent research with epidemiological studies of the public health effects, and a thorough review of current regulations based on public involvement in the positioning of aerials and public exposure limits that prevent the diseases and cellular changes mentioned in those studies. It is also necessary to change the General Telecommunications Law and the national and autonomous region regulations with regard to the radio electric space. 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I think there is more going on than I understand and I believe that the
EM frequencies are freeing up toxins that have lodged within fats and tissues and releasing them into the blood stream. Andrew On Jun 20, 2007, at 9:44 PM, bb_physics_phd wrote: > I am interested in trying to figure out the biophysical mechanism > behind EHS. |
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> I think there is more going on than I understand and I believe that the > EM frequencies are freeing up toxins that have lodged within fats and > tissues and releasing them into the blood stream. I think this is also the case. However, the mobilization of toxins would probably also happen for a "normal" person, so I think an ES person must also have a problem where the usual processes of detoxification in the liver/kidneys/colon are not working 100%. Marc |
I have a liver problem too, Hyperbilirubinemia.
My Bilirubin count has been high for at least a year. Also some liver enzymes are very high. Tested negative for Hepatitis A, B and C and. Ultrasound confirmed no blockage in bile ducts. Have been taking many herbs to unclog the liver in addition to gall bladder flushes and acupuncture. Viral/bacterial infection? My doctor is hoping my current treatments of 8,000 IU of vitamin D a day and weekly UV Light treatments of the blood will kill off the bad stuff and help get the immune system working again to the point where it corrects itself. We'll see. Andrew On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Marc Martin wrote: > Andrew McAfee wrote: >> I think there is more going on than I understand and I believe that >> the >> EM frequencies are freeing up toxins that have lodged within fats and >> tissues and releasing them into the blood stream. > > I think this is also the case. > > However, the mobilization of toxins would probably also happen for a > "normal" person, so I think an ES person must also have a problem where > the usual processes of detoxification in the liver/kidneys/colon are > not > working 100%. > > Marc > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
Good luck Andrew. The best gall bladder, liver flush is by Hulda Clark.
I've done it with good results. Good luck man. Paul ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrew McAfee To: [hidden email] Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:19 AM Subject: [eSens] liver I have a liver problem too, Hyperbilirubinemia. My Bilirubin count has been high for at least a year. Also some liver enzymes are very high. Tested negative for Hepatitis A, B and C and. Ultrasound confirmed no blockage in bile ducts. Have been taking many herbs to unclog the liver in addition to gall bladder flushes and acupuncture. Viral/bacterial infection? My doctor is hoping my current treatments of 8,000 IU of vitamin D a day and weekly UV Light treatments of the blood will kill off the bad stuff and help get the immune system working again to the point where it corrects itself. We'll see. Andrew On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Marc Martin wrote: > Andrew McAfee wrote: >> I think there is more going on than I understand and I believe that >> the >> EM frequencies are freeing up toxins that have lodged within fats and >> tissues and releasing them into the blood stream. > > I think this is also the case. > > However, the mobilization of toxins would probably also happen for a > "normal" person, so I think an ES person must also have a problem where > the usual processes of detoxification in the liver/kidneys/colon are > not > working 100%. > > Marc > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Me too. 4 times
On Jun 21, 2007, at 12:31 PM, Paul Bourgeois wrote: > Good luck Andrew. The best gall bladder, liver flush is by Hulda > Clark. > > I've done it with good results. Good luck man. > Paul > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Andrew McAfee > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 11:19 AM > Subject: [eSens] liver > > > I have a liver problem too, Hyperbilirubinemia. > My Bilirubin count has been high for at least a year. Also some liver > enzymes are very high. > Tested negative for Hepatitis A, B and C and. > Ultrasound confirmed no blockage in bile ducts. > Have been taking many herbs to unclog the liver in addition to gall > bladder flushes and acupuncture. > Viral/bacterial infection? > My doctor is hoping my current treatments of 8,000 IU of vitamin D a > day and weekly UV Light treatments of the blood will kill off the bad > stuff and help get the immune system working again to the point where > it corrects itself. > We'll see. > Andrew > > On Jun 21, 2007, at 10:10 AM, Marc Martin wrote: > >> Andrew McAfee wrote: >>> I think there is more going on than I understand and I believe that >>> the >>> EM frequencies are freeing up toxins that have lodged within fats and >>> tissues and releasing them into the blood stream. >> >> I think this is also the case. >> >> However, the mobilization of toxins would probably also happen for a >> "normal" person, so I think an ES person must also have a problem >> where >> the usual processes of detoxification in the liver/kidneys/colon are >> not >> working 100%. >> >> Marc >> >> >> >> Yahoo! Groups Links >> >> >> >> > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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>> Good luck Andrew. The best gall bladder, liver flush is by Hulda
>> Clark. > Me too. 4 times I did the Hulda Clark liver flush over 10 times, and never noticed much improvement at all from this. I did however see a lot of strange stuff come out of me, so it must have done SOMETHING... Marc |
With most people the elektrosmog is attacking the liver.
The stuff coming out is not strange. It consists fof gallstones together with cholesterol stones. Many people who did this 24 hour priceless liver cleansing method, did feel afterwards much better. They were less bothered by the elektrosmog, and had more energy. Greetings, Charles Claessens member Verband Baubiologie www.milieuziektes.nl www.milieuziektes.be www.hetbitje.nl checked by Norton Antivirus ----- Original Message ----- From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]> To: <[hidden email]> Sent: Thursday, June 21, 2007 19:19 Subject: Re: [eSens] liver >>> Good luck Andrew. The best gall bladder, liver flush is by Hulda >>> Clark. > >> Me too. 4 times > > I did the Hulda Clark liver flush over 10 times, and never noticed > much improvement at all from this. I did however see a lot of > strange stuff come out of me, so it must have done SOMETHING... > > Marc > > |
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andrew that is a good assumption
On 21 Jun 2007, at 13:13, Andrew McAfee wrote: > I think there is more going on than I understand and I believe that the > EM frequencies are freeing up toxins that have lodged within fats and > tissues and releasing them into the blood stream. > Andrew > > On Jun 20, 2007, at 9:44 PM, bb_physics_phd wrote: > > > I am interested in trying to figure out the biophysical mechanism > > behind EHS. > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Thanks for the replies!
I'm also beginning to think that neurotoxins are somehow involved. PBDE's are everywhere--notably in computers, but also most fabrics etc.. Having read Salford's 2003 paper, I do think there could be some (hopefully localized) nerve damage at work. I was just reading that Alzheimer's & Parkinson's are now thought to both involve accumulation of aggregates of a misfolded protein (and similarly mad cow disease). It seems to me the energy needed to cause a protein to misfold is not very high, especially if it had a mutation. And once the aggregates are there, misfolding may become even easier. -Bill PS: The message I included in my first message was from Spain, but I am not... On 6/21/07, pete robinson <[hidden email]> wrote: > > andrew that is a good assumption > > On 21 Jun 2007, at 13:13, Andrew McAfee wrote: > > > I think there is more going on than I understand and I believe that the > > EM frequencies are freeing up toxins that have lodged within fats and > > tissues and releasing them into the blood stream. > > Andrew > > > > On Jun 20, 2007, at 9:44 PM, bb_physics_phd wrote: > > > > > I am interested in trying to figure out the biophysical mechanism > > > behind EHS. > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> The stuff coming out is not strange.
> It consists fof gallstones together with cholesterol stones. The stuff that I was referring to looked like black gravel. This is different than the green blobs that most people report (and I also saw on other flushes) Marc |
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Welcome Spain :),
You might find a paper I posted not long ago in the "files" section of this group interesting. A lot of Drs. just paid a lot of money to go hear it in three broken down presentations in Dallas. "EMF and RF Emission". The short summary is that all radiation, whether by chemical or photon is ionizing. Demyelinization is a huge problem from that. THAT,-radiation-, is your biophysical answer. The variation is the individuals overall exposure and constitution they started with. My father and I have both found Gingko helpful for tinnitus. ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], "bb_physics_phd" <wbruno@...> wrote: > > Hi everyone, > > I honestly do have a Ph.D. in physics (my sub-field being biophysics) > and I am, as of the last few months, electrically sensitive. My most > clear symptom is tinnitus which reached Class 5 ("Catastrophic") > before I started avoiding exposure. I can 'hear' cell phone towers, > and often know where they (and verify it with a meter) even when > they're fairly well disguised. I'm also affected by ELF (60 Hz + > harmonics) fields, but the onset seems to be more gradual, peaking > after several hours. I have shielded my car windows (manufacturer > claims tint tests 30+ dB for microwaves) and part of my house > (Y-shield). > > I get relief from lying on the ground in my back yard (the lower > the less microwaves, and out of the house, less ELF. I also find warm > baths with a bit of salt (I use epsom + sea mixed) help. I started > taking Ginko and I think that may help. Also recommend Melatonin. > Tried other stuff with no clear results. I do also find that wearing > the 'silver lining scarf' over my head helps in many situations. I > also now wear gloves when I use the computer--the ones I have are > designed to conduct static charge. I do think (or possibly imagine) > they help my hands not get tense. I probably will never use a laptop > keyboard again (try holding a radio or a meter up to one). Same goes > for cell phones and cordless phones (I did use them on speaker mode > for a while after I knew I had this problem). > > I am interested in trying to figure out the biophysical mechanism > behind EHS. |
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Hey Andrew,
I was just thinking, have you tried FIR lights or saunas? I know the UV is for breaking down the bilirubin, but the other might help you sweat that and other stuff out. I sometimes just sleep with my 250watt one on me all night. Feels great. Well, I don't about as it warms up in the summer, but up to now it's been good. :) ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote: > > I have a liver problem too, Hyperbilirubinemia. > My Bilirubin count has been high for at least a year. Also some liver > enzymes are very high. > Tested negative for Hepatitis A, B and C and. > Ultrasound confirmed no blockage in bile ducts. > Have been taking many herbs to unclog the liver in addition to gall > bladder flushes and acupuncture. > Viral/bacterial infection? > My doctor is hoping my current treatments of 8,000 IU of vitamin D a > day and weekly UV Light treatments of the blood will kill off the bad > stuff and help get the immune system working again to the point where > it corrects itself. > We'll see. > Andrew |
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> Does anyone else have large brown spots on the backs of their hands? Mine > are very bad and I think it's a combination of the incoming pollution and > the electronic problems I have. I feel so ashamed of them. When I was at my worst (6 years ago), I had some brown spots on my face. These faded away with all my detoxification efforts, and I think they are mostly gone now. Marc |
I had brown spots all over my body when I was heavily detoxing with
mercury chelators, etc. I think I kicked too much up in my system at once. They have lessened as of late but not all gone. I too have seen others with them on their arms and body and I think it is from toxins unable to get out of the body. Andrew On Jun 22, 2007, at 10:09 AM, Marc Martin wrote: > m.a.norman wrote: >> Does anyone else have large brown spots on the backs of their hands? >> Mine >> are very bad and I think it's a combination of the incoming pollution >> and >> the electronic problems I have. I feel so ashamed of them. > > When I was at my worst (6 years ago), I had some brown spots on my > face. > These faded away with all my detoxification efforts, and I think they > are mostly gone now. > > Marc > > > > Yahoo! Groups Links > > > > |
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Hi Maureen
I just signed on. I am on a few other EMF lists but I love this one. I am working on an introductory post but I want to jump in on this one. My husband has several on his arms. He has been going through a deep course of classical homeopathy and they got worse. He finally went to the butcher and got a couple of butterfly (thin) cuts of steak. He kept one on for about 24 hours and they lightened considerably but they were pretty hot to the touch. He then applied organic castor oil and wrapped it in saran and went to sleep. The next morning the spots were significantly diminished. He is now sleeping with a poultice of the second steak. The homeopath thinks that he has a very old virus from when he was about 9 years old. Classical homeopathy is a tough course to follow but John has had so many problems for about 10 years that it has been very worthwhile. I don't think there are too many good classical homeopaths around. Good health to you all and I will finish my intro soon. Yolanda |
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Or if one looked at it from a homeopathic perspective of like cures
like the meat was curing the meat of his body. At one point with the brown spots they turned very angry and red and a bit bloody looking. This might have been part of the homepathic aggravation (bringing the dis-ease out so that it can exit the body). A steak poultice is a very old remedy for a black eye. Good health, Yolanda |
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Welcome to the group!
As you'll see from the replies so far, and the archived messages in the group, there are several different interwoven ideas about the origins of EHS. My first question would be, do you also have MCS (multiple chemical sensitivity) or immune system disorders? For many people this seems to weaken the body so that it becomes susceptible to EMF. Low magnesium levels are sometimes suggested as a factor in worsening tinnitus (e.g. by Breakspear Hospital UK). This could fit with your experience of benefiting from salt baths, as Epsom salts are magnesium sulphate and should absorb through the skin. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of bb_physics_phd Sent: 21 June 2007 02:44 To: [hidden email] Subject: [eSens] Self introduction and message from Spain Hi everyone, I honestly do have a Ph.D. in physics (my sub-field being biophysics) and I am, as of the last few months, electrically sensitive. My most clear symptom is tinnitus which reached Class 5 ("Catastrophic") before I started avoiding exposure. I can 'hear' cell phone towers, and often know where they (and verify it with a meter) even when they're fairly well disguised. I'm also affected by ELF (60 Hz + harmonics) fields, but the onset seems to be more gradual, peaking after several hours. I have shielded my car windows (manufacturer claims tint tests 30+ dB for microwaves) and part of my house (Y-shield). I get relief from lying on the ground in my back yard (the lower down, the less microwaves, and out of the house, less ELF. I also find warm baths with a bit of salt (I use epsom + sea mixed) help. I started taking Ginko and I think that may help. Also recommend Melatonin. Tried other stuff with no clear results. I do also find that wearing the 'silver lining scarf' over my head helps in many situations. I also now wear gloves when I use the computer--the ones I have are designed to conduct static charge. I do think (or possibly imagine) they help my hands not get tense. I probably will never use a laptop keyboard again (try holding a radio or a meter up to one). Same goes for cell phones and cordless phones (I did use them on speaker mode for a while after I knew I had this problem). I am interested in trying to figure out the biophysical mechanism behind EHS. For those who missed the Good Morning America show about the EHS woman in London, it's at abcnews.go.com/GMA/Technology/story?id=3289619 their web site and you can play the video on the right. I just found out that this Sunday has been declared: 24 JUNE INTERNATIONAL DAY AGAINST ELECTROMAGNETIC POLLUTION The 24th June is the international day against electromagnetic pollution. Electromagnetic pollution is a continuous exposure to electromagnetic fields generated mainly by high-voltage power lines and electric power substations, but also by mobile telephony aerials, radio links, and telecommunication systems (Wifi, Wimax). That day several organizations of people affected, neighbourhood associations and environmentalists want to complain against the unsustainable increase of electromagnetic pollution associated with the uncontrolled proliferation of electric infrastructures and telecommunications networks, which has become an environmental and public health problem, and we advocate the need for a thorough review of the regulations that apply to this type of activities. As for the electromagnetic pollution generated by low frequency electromagnetic fields (power lines and electric substations), neighbourhood actions against projects for the installation of a substation in both Patraix (Valencia) and Santa Mara de Grado (Asturias), or the struggle against power lines in Lada -Velilla (Asturias- Len), or the project to develop a high-tension interconnection with France in Catalu1a are examples of a deep concern about the impacts and possible public health effects of this uncontrolled and chaotic proliferation in rural and urban areas. There are also legal actions, such as the sentence against an electric company based on the electromagnetic pollution generated by a transformer in Murcia, and the resolution of the Audiencia Provincial de Castelln that forced the dismantlement of a transformer in Burriana considering that there was reasonable and significant evidence to prove that the level of exposure in the households was a risk factor. These actions reveal a long fight against the environmental and public health impacts of a continuous exposure to low frequency electromagnetic fields, such as those generated by high or medium voltage power lines, substations, transformers and electric infrastructures. We believe a significant change is needed in the 1997 Electric Sector Law and in the regulations that apply to high voltage power lines and electric substations as well as in the autonomous region legislation, introducing precaution criteria, security distances, land specifically reserved for these infrastructures outside residential areas and a significant reduction of the levels of exposure to electromagnetic fields. Protests against the high frequency electromagnetic field emissions and the pulsating microwaves created by mobile telephony aerials and telecommunication systems has been continuous all over Spain, against national regulations dictated by operators. There are many international forums that warn of the possible effects and risks for the public health (Declarations of Vienna 1998, Salzburg 2000, Roccaraso 2000, Alcal=E1 de Henares 2002, Catania 2002, Freiburg 2002, Benevento 2006). European epidemiological studies and scientific programmes such as REFLEX warn us of the changes at cellular and sub-cellular level with the subsequent negative consequences for wildlife, the environment and the health of human beings. Therefore, it is essential to develop a programme and a public, national and independent research with epidemiological studies of the public health effects, and a thorough review of current regulations based on public involvement in the positioning of aerials and public exposure limits that prevent the diseases and cellular changes mentioned in those studies. It is also necessary to change the General Telecommunications Law and the national and autonomous region regulations with regard to the radio electric space. 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