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Can someone please tell me in your experiences, what really works? In this day and age, at least how I think , it is impossible to rid our homes of electricty. Also it is very difficult to unplug things everywhere to be safe.
Everytime I begin my research on EMF's, I get so overwhelmed. You read where this product protects, but it really doesn't. You read there web site testamonials, are they real? What compaines do you really believe have truthful working protects, for: Cell phone protection. Home Protection RIght now I am looking at earth calm products. Thank you so much Barb |
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> Everytime I begin my research on EMF's, I get so overwhelmed. You read
> where this product protects, but it really doesn't. You read there web > site testimonials, are they real? Well, it's hard to get people to agree on things, no matter what the subject. Even here we've got a variety of opinions. I suspect that the testimonials you read on a lot of websites are "real" (that is, they are coming from actual users). Whether or not these testimonials are "useful" or "valid" is another issue (in other words, some of the testimonials don't really prove anything, or people may be attributing benefits to a product that may be due to something unrelated) Certainly there are products out that make me feel better, allow me to live a more normal life, and allow me to earn an income. Meanwhile, others will insist that these very same products are "scams". I think people need to decide for themselves, based on their own research and intuition. Marc |
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Hi Barb,
The one thing that definitely works is putting off the fuse box (at night)!Or of course moving to a less emf-polluted place... Apart from that, I have 2 things that make a difference: -Tachyon-energy -Food supplement glucosamin+manganese With each of them I have less problems EMF-wise (for instance driving a car). But tachyon worsens my artritis and glucosamin+manganese worsens my hypoglykemia/migrain/... which is no good either!!! Next week I'm gonna try manganese only... see where that brings me (According to hair tests I have a shortage of manganese and manganese-shortage is linked to allergies). And lymph drainage (as that may help my body absorb the right minerals). Probably the best thing in the long end is a good diet, what works best foryou depending on possible allergies. I've read a lot of positive reactionsof people who have benefited a lot from eating gluten-free (and lactose-free). I've read that Marc takes (whole) food supplements, and if you can bear them that may be an improvement... And walking at least half an hour each day (I'm not kidding!) is the best possible exercise? Or meditating! Greets, Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "barbpom2000" <barbpom2000@...> wrote: > > Can someone please tell me in your experiences, what really works? In this day and age, at least how I think , it is impossible to rid our homes of electricty. Also it is very difficult to unplug things everywhere to be safe. > > Everytime I begin my research on EMF's, I get so overwhelmed. You read where this product protects, but it really doesn't. You read there web site testamonials, are they real? > > What compaines do you really believe have truthful working protects, > for: > > Cell phone protection. > Home Protection > > RIght now I am looking at earth calm products. > Thank you so much > > Barb > |
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> What compaines do you really believe have truthful working
> protects, for: > > Cell phone protection. Home Protection > > Right now I am looking at earth calm products. I'm not too familiar with what works for cellphones. I basically use my cellphone as little as possible, and when I do use it, I use it in speakerphone mode. I have found that some of the personal protection devices (e.g. Springlife Polarizers, Quantum Companion) help reduce symptoms. As for home protection, the Quantum Home helps me. The Earthcalm Home Protector always makes me feel terrible when plugged in 100% of the time, however, I do find it beneficial if it is put on a timer (e.g., on for 10 minutes then off for 20 minutes, repeated throughout the day). But that's about all that I can take of the Earthcalm Home. I do know that the Gilligan Joy (who has a website about his overcoming ES) has a favorable opinion of the Earthcalm products. Marc |
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On the recommendation of one of the group about a month ago, I purchased a Q-link pendant for my wife. This is a true wonder. It has made a world of difference for her. I do not understand the technology andI was hesitant about spending $99 on yet another gadget, but in her case, it was worth it. Mike
--- On Mon, 2/22/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Scams??? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 7:54 AM > Everytime I begin my research on EMF's, I get so overwhelmed. You read > where this product protects, but it really doesn't. You read there web > site testimonials, are they real? Well, it's hard to get people to agree on things, no matter what the subject. Even here we've got a variety of opinions. I suspect that the testimonials you read on a lot of websites are "real" (that is, they are coming from actual users). Whether or not these testimonials are "useful" or "valid" is another issue (in other words, some of the testimonials don't really prove anything, or people may be attributing benefits to a product that may be due to something unrelated) Certainly there are products out that make me feel better, allow me to live a more normal life, and allow me to earn an income. Meanwhile, others will insist that these very same products are "scams". I think people need to decide for themselves, based on their own research and intuition. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi, Stephen,
Manganese helps me too, or I should say, the mix of cal AEP, pantethine, manganese, and taurine work for me (for reaction to emfs). I take the Cal AEP and pantethine together and later the taurine and manganese together. So you might try taurine with your manganese--it might help you with your hypoglycemia and headaches, if it is not already in the mix youare taking. I also take very little manganese. Manganese can be a toxic mineral so you have to be careful using it. Hope the taurine works for you, Diane --- On Mon, 2/22/10, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote: From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Scams??? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:14 AM Hi Barb, The one thing that definitely works is putting off the fuse box (at night)!Or of course moving to a less emf-polluted place... Apart from that, I have 2 things that make a difference: -Tachyon-energy -Food supplement glucosamin+manganes e With each of them I have less problems EMF-wise (for instance driving a car). But tachyon worsens my artritis and glucosamin+manganes e worsens my hypoglykemia/ migrain/. .. which is no good either!!! Next week I'm gonna try manganese only... see where that brings me (According to hair tests I have a shortage of manganese and manganese-shortage is linked to allergies). And lymph drainage (as that may help my body absorb the right minerals). Probably the best thing in the long end is a good diet, what works best foryou depending on possible allergies. I've read a lot of positive reactionsof people who have benefited a lot from eating gluten-free (and lactose-free) . I've read that Marc takes (whole) food supplements, and if you can bear them that may be an improvement. .. And walking at least half an hour each day (I'm not kidding!) is the best possible exercise? Or meditating! Greets, Stephen. --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "barbpom2000" <barbpom2000@ ...> wrote: > > Can someone please tell me in your experiences, what really works? In this day and age, at least how I think , it is impossible to rid our homes of electricty. Also it is very difficult to unplug things everywhere to be safe. > > Everytime I begin my research on EMF's, I get so overwhelmed. You read where this product protects, but it really doesn't. You read there web site testamonials, are they real? > > What compaines do you really believe have truthful working protects, > for: > > Cell phone protection. > Home Protection > > RIght now I am looking at earth calm products. > Thank you so much > > Barb > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> With each of them I have less problems EMF-wise (for instance driving
> a car). But tachyon worsens my artritis and glucosamin+manganese > worsens my hypoglykemia/migrain/... which is no good either!!! Yes, with any "solution" there appears to be drawbacks/side effects. For example, Qauntum Products help with my EMF tolerance, but I think they worsen my digestion, as I will get increased bloating after meals. And if I'm coming down with a cold, they will make things worse. And while I find Tachyon to be good for improving my energy levels and endurance, I actually think they make my EMF symptoms worse (increased redness on face and "burning skin" symptoms) Of the various devices I've used, I've concluded that the Springlife Polarizers are the "healthiest" overall, in that they seem to help with digestion, allergies, energy levels, reduced need for sleep, and EMF. However, use them too much and I get the same face redness / burning around EMF that I get from the Tachyon products. Marc |
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Hi Barb and Stephen,
I like unplugging everything unpluggable as a free emf remediation tool (I often use rubber gloves for doing this, too--so not to be shocked.) I, like Stephen, also find exercise very important--moves the lymphaticfluid and helps detox. And I "ground" myself when possible. Grounding involves going to an area with low/no emfs and sitting on the ground and allowing the negative/emf energies in your body to drain out. In the winter, you can open your coat and lean against a tall tree in a forest to do this. I am also gluten free, as well as, sugar free. While I don't necessarily think *all* ESSERS have to be gluten and/or sugar-free, for me it was essential. I like the Quantum Pro device for my one house (we are currently between 2 houses), which I bought on Marc's suggestion. (The Q. Pro is quite pricey, but it had settings on it which the Q. Home didn't, and it was one of those settings which works the best for me.) He also suggested the Quantum Companion which did not work for me. When it comes to devices and gadgets, I think it probably is personal circumstance--based on your health status and energy deficits, etc, etc, etc--which determines whether a particular device will work for you or not (so not all things which do not work are scams, necessarily). Loni says she tried the Quantum Home and it didn't work for her; the Quantum Companion didn't work for me; both of those worked for Marc; Loni and some others here like the Q-Link, which, if I remember correctly, didn't work for Marc..... So you see, what works for one, may not work for another. There are probably complicated reasons why one thing works well for one and not for another. We find the same thing here when it comes to supplementation, too. There are some supplements which seem to be nearly universally helpful and then others which help one person but not another. Hydrogen supplements seem to be one ofthose things which many of us like, for example. Just remember to look for a return policy on gadgets and devices you try, so you can return them if they do not work. I, like Marc, am doing very well, ES-wise, right now. I don't consider myself cured, but I have little problems due to ES reactions. my 2 pennies, Diane --- On Mon, 2/22/10, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote: From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Scams??? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:14 AM Hi Barb, The one thing that definitely works is putting off the fuse box (at night)!Or of course moving to a less emf-polluted place... Apart from that, I have 2 things that make a difference: -Tachyon-energy -Food supplement glucosamin+manganes e With each of them I have less problems EMF-wise (for instance driving a car). But tachyon worsens my artritis and glucosamin+manganes e worsens my hypoglykemia/ migrain/. .. which is no good either!!! Next week I'm gonna try manganese only... see where that brings me (According to hair tests I have a shortage of manganese and manganese-shortage is linked to allergies). And lymph drainage (as that may help my body absorb the right minerals). Probably the best thing in the long end is a good diet, what works best foryou depending on possible allergies. I've read a lot of positive reactionsof people who have benefited a lot from eating gluten-free (and lactose-free) . I've read that Marc takes (whole) food supplements, and if you can bear them that may be an improvement. .. And walking at least half an hour each day (I'm not kidding!) is the best possible exercise? Or meditating! Greets, Stephen. --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "barbpom2000" <barbpom2000@ ...> wrote: > > Can someone please tell me in your experiences, what really works? In this day and age, at least how I think , it is impossible to rid our homes of electricty. Also it is very difficult to unplug things everywhere to be safe. > > Everytime I begin my research on EMF's, I get so overwhelmed. You read where this product protects, but it really doesn't. You read there web site testamonials, are they real? > > What compaines do you really believe have truthful working protects, > for: > > Cell phone protection. > Home Protection > > RIght now I am looking at earth calm products. > Thank you so much > > Barb > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> one of those things which many of us like, for example. Really? I thought that only a few of us here have tried them. And for me, hydrogen supplements have a downside in that they increase digestive bloat for me. I find it interesting that EMF devices from Quantum Products and hydrogen supplements have exactly the same benefits and side effects for me! Marc |
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Since a week I'm using a home made device, just to check if EFM is making me sick and if this helps. And after a couple of days I already seemed to feel better. At the hardware store I got some metal chain and basic electricity wire. With the chain and some elastics (to make it easy to use) I made an ankle band, connected that to the wire and the wire goes out the door into the ground. No scam here, it's very cheap and easy to use, but of course it has limited value for the long term.
Rixta Can someone please tell me in your experiences, what really works? In this day and age, at least how I think , it is impossible to rid our homes of electricty. Also it is very difficult to unplug things everywhere to be safe. Everytime I begin my research on EMF's, I get so overwhelmed. You read where this product protects, but it really doesn't. You read there web site testamonials, are they real? What compaines do you really believe have truthful working protects, for: Cell phone protection. Home Protection RIght now I am looking at earth calm products. Thank you so much Barb ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Evie,
Thanks for the info., I will try it. I still am a bit confused about the manganese-levels in my body. -Because in 2 hair tests it states that I'm too low on manganese. -On another test (based on urine/chellation) that checks for toxic metals only, it says that I have too much manganese. Is that possible? Or is one of the tests false? --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hi, Stephen, >  > Manganese helps me too, or I should say, the mix of cal AEP, pantethine, manganese, and taurine work for me (for reaction to emfs). I take the Cal AEP and pantethine together and later the taurine and manganese together. So you might try taurine with your manganese--it might help you with your hypoglycemia and headaches, if it is not already in the mix you are taking. I also take very little manganese. Manganese can be a toxic mineral so you have to be careful using it. >  > Hope the taurine works for you, > Diane > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote: > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Scams??? > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:14 AM > > >  > > > > Hi Barb, > > The one thing that definitely works is putting off the fuse box (at night)! Or of course moving to a less emf-polluted place... > > Apart from that, I have 2 things that make a difference: > -Tachyon-energy > -Food supplement glucosamin+manganes e > > With each of them I have less problems EMF-wise (for instance driving a car). But tachyon worsens my artritis and glucosamin+manganes e worsens my hypoglykemia/ migrain/. .. which is no good either!!! > > Next week I'm gonna try manganese only... see where that brings me (According to hair tests I have a shortage of manganese and manganese-shortage islinked to allergies). And lymph drainage (as that may help my body absorb the right minerals). > > Probably the best thing in the long end is a good diet, what works best for you depending on possible allergies. I've read a lot of positive reactions of people who have benefited a lot from eating gluten-free (and lactose-free) . > > I've read that Marc takes (whole) food supplements, and if you can bear them that may be an improvement. .. > > And walking at least half an hour each day (I'm not kidding!) is the bestpossible exercise? Or meditating! > > Greets, > Stephen. > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "barbpom2000" <barbpom2000@ ...> wrote: > > > > Can someone please tell me in your experiences, what really works? In this day and age, at least how I think , it is impossible to rid our homes of electricty. Also it is very difficult to unplug things everywhere to be safe. > > > > Everytime I begin my research on EMF's, I get so overwhelmed. You read where this product protects, but it really doesn't. You read there web sitetestamonials, are they real? > > > > What compaines do you really believe have truthful working protects, > > for: > > > > Cell phone protection. > > Home Protection > > > > RIght now I am looking at earth calm products. > > Thank you so much > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Hey, Marc!
I don't know--I use hydrogen, you use hydrogen, many others here report having tried it and liking it. I *thought* it was one we commonly agreedon! Am I wrong, AGAIN???? ;) j/k That is interesting that both Quantums and hydrogen give you the "bloat". For me personally, the hydrogen seems to be addressing adrenal fatigue (like NADH used to when I took that.) But with the Quantum, Iam mellowed out and stress is so gone I fall asleep if I sit too longin one spot. So that appears to have an adrenal effect, as well. Hmmmm.... trying to think of a link that would cause bloating--doyou have alot of candida or other gut flora problems??? Both (the Qsand hyd.) are detoxing. I think both the Q devices and hydrogen havean alkalizing effect, too. I suppose that could cause bloating if your meals didn't balance it out. Take care, Diane --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] hydrogen supplements To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 3:39 PM > Hydrogen supplements seem to be > one of those things which many of us like, for example. Really? I thought that only a few of us here have tried them. And for me, hydrogen supplements have a downside in that they increase digestive bloat for me. I find it interesting that EMF devices from Quantum Products and hydrogen supplements have exactly the same benefits and side effects for me! Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> I think both the Q devices and hydrogen have an alkalizing effect,
> too. I suppose that could cause bloating if your meals didn't > balance it out. Yes, that has been my thinking (right or wrong). Excess alkalinity in my digestive tract. So I cut back on usage, or consume something acidic, take probiotics, etc. Marc |
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Hi, Stephen,
Well, because you are now taking a supplement for manganese, and the liver probably filters out a good bit of your supplementation, it sounds like that is making its way into your urine (and certainly more manganese is in your bloodstream!) While, by hair analysis, you show the previous manganese deficiency. It sounds consistent with what should be going on, I think, unless you had these tests all prior to taking the manganese supplement. You should be able to get a new hair sample from near the root in a month or 2 of starting supplementation which will show you now have ample manganese. That is why, tho, you should consided repacking your manganese in smaller amounts. Most manganese supplementscontain too much to take on an on-going basis. You could also begin taking them once or twice a week, but then you might not see the help with ES that you do now. Good luck; let me know how it goes. You are the only other ESSER I know taking manganese right now. I take a holiday every few weeks from it, btw, to ensure I am not getting toxic. My best, Diane --- On Mon, 2/22/10, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote: From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Scams??? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:39 PM Hi Evie, Thanks for the info., I will try it. I still am a bit confused about the manganese-levels in my body. -Because in 2 hair tests it states that I'm too low on manganese. -On another test (based on urine/chellation) that checks for toxic metals only, it says that I have too much manganese. Is that possible? Or is one of the tests false? --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote: > > Hi, Stephen, >  > Manganese helps me too, or I should say, the mix of cal AEP, pantethine, manganese, and taurine work for me (for reaction to emfs). I take the Cal AEP and pantethine together and later the taurine andmanganese together. So you might try taurine with your manganese--it might help you with your hypoglycemia and headaches, if it is not already in the mix you are taking. I also take very little manganese. Manganese can be a toxic mineral so you have to be careful using it. >  > Hope the taurine works for you, > Diane > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@...> wrote: > > > From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Scams??? > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:14 AM > > >  > > > > Hi Barb, > > The one thing that definitely works is putting off the fuse box (at night)! Or of course moving to a less emf-polluted place... > > Apart from that, I have 2 things that make a difference: > -Tachyon-energy > -Food supplement glucosamin+manganes e > > With each of them I have less problems EMF-wise (for instance driving a car). But tachyon worsens my artritis and glucosamin+manganes e worsens my hypoglykemia/ migrain/. .. which is no good either!!! > > Next week I'm gonna try manganese only... see where that brings me (According to hair tests I have a shortage of manganese and manganese-shortage islinked to allergies). And lymph drainage (as that may help my body absorb the right minerals). > > Probably the best thing in the long end is a good diet, what works best for you depending on possible allergies. I've read a lot of positive reactions of people who have benefited a lot from eating gluten-free (and lactose-free) . > > I've read that Marc takes (whole) food supplements, and if you can bear them that may be an improvement. .. > > And walking at least half an hour each day (I'm not kidding!) is the bestpossible exercise? Or meditating! > > Greets, > Stephen. > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "barbpom2000" <barbpom2000@ ...> wrote: > > > > Can someone please tell me in your experiences, what really works? In this day and age, at least how I think , it is impossible to rid our homes of electricty. Also it is very difficult to unplug things everywhere to be safe. > > > > Everytime I begin my research on EMF's, I get so overwhelmed. You read where this product protects, but it really doesn't. You read there web sitetestamonials, are they real? > > > > What compaines do you really believe have truthful working protects, > > for: > > > > Cell phone protection. > > Home Protection > > > > RIght now I am looking at earth calm products. > > Thank you so much > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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All tests (hair and urine) were done before I took manganese... I suppose it's a good idea to have some new tests soon... --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hi, Stephen, >  > Well, because you are now taking a supplement for manganese, and the liver probably filters out a good bit of your supplementation, it sounds like that is making its way into your urine (and certainly more manganese is in your bloodstream!) While, by hair analysis, you show the previousmanganese deficiency. It sounds consistent with what should be goingon, I think, unless you had these tests all prior to taking the manganese supplement. You should be able to get a new hair sample from near the root in a month or 2 of starting supplementation which will showyou now have ample manganese. That is why, tho, you should consided repacking your manganese in smaller amounts. Most manganese supplements contain too much to take on an on-going basis. You could also begin taking them once or twice a week, but then you might not see the help with ES that you do now. >  > Good luck; let me know how it goes. You are the only other ESSER I know taking manganese right now. I take a holiday every few weeks from it, btw, to ensure I am not getting toxic. >  > My best, > Diane > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote: > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Scams??? > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:39 PM > > >  > > > > Hi Evie, > > Thanks for the info., I will try it. > > I still am a bit confused about the manganese-levels in my body. > > -Because in 2 hair tests it states that I'm too low on manganese. > > -On another test (based on urine/chellation) that checks for toxic metalsonly, it says that I have too much manganese. > > Is that possible? Or is one of the tests false? > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote: > > > > Hi, Stephen, > > à> > Manganese helps me too, or I should say, the mix ofàcal AEP,pantethine, manganese, and taurine work for me (for reaction to emfs).àI take the Cal AEP and pantethine together and later the taurine and manganese together.àSo you might try taurine with your manganese--it might help you with your hypoglycemia and headaches, if it is notalready in the mix you are taking.àI also take very little manganese.àManganeseàcan beàa toxic mineral so you have to be careful using it. > > à> > Hope the taurine works for you, > > Diane > > > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@> wrote: > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Scams??? > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:14 AM > > > > > > à> > > > > > > > Hi Barb, > > > > The one thing that definitely works is putting off the fuse box (at night)! Or of course moving to a less emf-polluted place... > > > > Apart from that, I have 2 things that make a difference: > > -Tachyon-energy > > -Food supplement glucosamin+manganes e > > > > With each of them I have less problems EMF-wise (for instance driving acar). But tachyon worsens my artritis and glucosamin+manganes e worsens myhypoglykemia/ migrain/. .. which is no good either!!! > > > > Next week I'm gonna try manganese only... see where that brings me (According to hair tests I have a shortage of manganese and manganese-shortage is linked to allergies). And lymph drainage (as that may help my body absorb the right minerals). > > > > Probably the best thing in the long end is a good diet, what works bestfor you depending on possible allergies. I've read a lot of positive reactions of people who have benefited a lot from eating gluten-free (and lactose-free) . > > > > I've read that Marc takes (whole) food supplements, and if you can bearthem that may be an improvement. .. > > > > And walking at least half an hour each day (I'm not kidding!) is the best possible exercise? Or meditating! > > > > Greets, > > Stephen. > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "barbpom2000" <barbpom2000@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Can someone please tell me in your experiences, what really works? Inthis day and age, at least how I think , it is impossible to rid our homesof electricty. Also it is very difficult to unplug things everywhere to besafe. > > > > > > Everytime I begin my research on EMF's, I get so overwhelmed. You read where this product protects, but it really doesn't. You read there web site testamonials, are they real? > > > > > > What compaines do you really believe have truthful working protects, > > > for: > > > > > > Cell phone protection. > > > Home Protection > > > > > > RIght now I am looking at earth calm products. > > > Thank you so much > > > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Hi again, Stephen,
Hmmmm..... You are not utilizing the manganese correctly, then. Has your doctor looked into this? You should do some searches onlinefor manganese utilization diseases. Be careful using the manganese. It does work to close tight junctions (which is how I came to use it), but manganese is toxic in excess. You definitely need to determinewhy it is not getting from your bloodstream to your hair. Good luck, Diane --- On Mon, 2/22/10, stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> wrote: From: stephen_vandevijvere <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Manganese supplementation (formerly Scams) To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 5:55 PM Diane, All tests (hair and urine) were done before I took manganese... I suppose it's a good idea to have some new tests soon... --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@. ..> wrote: > > Hi, Stephen, >  > Well, because you are now taking a supplement for manganese, and the liver probably filters out a good bit of your supplementation, it sounds like that is making its way into your urine (and certainly more manganese is in your bloodstream! ) While, by hair analysis, you show the previous manganese deficiency. It sounds consistent withwhat should be going on, I think, unless you had these tests all prior to taking the manganese supplement. You should be able to get a new hair sample from near the root in a month or 2 of starting supplementation which will show you now have ample manganese. That is why, tho, you should consided repacking your manganese in smaller amounts. Most manganese supplements contain too much to take on an on-going basis. You could also begin taking them onceor twice a week, but then you might not see the help with ES that you do now. >  > Good luck; let me know how it goes. You are the only other ESSER I know taking manganese right now. I take a holiday every few weeks from it, btw, to ensure I am not getting toxic. >  > My best, > Diane > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@...> wrote: > > > From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Scams??? > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 4:39 PM > > >  > > > > Hi Evie, > > Thanks for the info., I will try it. > > I still am a bit confused about the manganese-levels in my body. > > -Because in 2 hair tests it states that I'm too low on manganese. > > -On another test (based on urine/chellation) that checks for toxic metalsonly, it says that I have too much manganese. > > Is that possible? Or is one of the tests false? > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie <evie15422@ ..> wrote: > > > > Hi, Stephen, > >  > > Manganese helps me too, or I should say, the mix of cal AEP, pantethine, manganese, and taurine work for me (for reaction to emfs). I take the Cal AEP and pantethine together and later the taurine and manganese together. So you might try taurine with your manganese--it might help you withyour hypoglycemia and headaches, if it is not already in the mix you are taking. I also take very little manganese. Manganese can be a toxic mineral so you have to be careful using it. > >  > > Hope the taurine works for you, > > Diane > > > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@> wrote: > > > > > > From: stephen_vandevijver e <stephen_vandevijve re@> > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Scams??? > > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com > > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:14 AM > > > > > >  > > > > > > > > Hi Barb, > > > > The one thing that definitely works is putting off the fuse box (at night)! Or of course moving to a less emf-polluted place... > > > > Apart from that, I have 2 things that make a difference: > > -Tachyon-energy > > -Food supplement glucosamin+manganes e > > > > With each of them I have less problems EMF-wise (for instance driving acar). But tachyon worsens my artritis and glucosamin+manganes e worsens myhypoglykemia/ migrain/. .. which is no good either!!! > > > > Next week I'm gonna try manganese only... see where that brings me (According to hair tests I have a shortage of manganese and manganese-shortage is linked to allergies). And lymph drainage (as that may help my body absorb the right minerals). > > > > Probably the best thing in the long end is a good diet, what works bestfor you depending on possible allergies. I've read a lot of positive reactions of people who have benefited a lot from eating gluten-free (and lactose-free) . > > > > I've read that Marc takes (whole) food supplements, and if you can bearthem that may be an improvement. .. > > > > And walking at least half an hour each day (I'm not kidding!) is the best possible exercise? Or meditating! > > > > Greets, > > Stephen. > > > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "barbpom2000" <barbpom2000@ ...> wrote: > > > > > > Can someone please tell me in your experiences, what really works? Inthis day and age, at least how I think , it is impossible to rid our homesof electricty. Also it is very difficult to unplug things everywhere to besafe. > > > > > > Everytime I begin my research on EMF's, I get so overwhelmed. You read where this product protects, but it really doesn't. You read there web site testamonials, are they real? > > > > > > What compaines do you really believe have truthful working protects, > > > for: > > > > > > Cell phone protection. > > > Home Protection > > > > > > RIght now I am looking at earth calm products. > > > Thank you so much > > > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I heard that hair tests need special expertise for interpretation.I would get consulation of someone who is an expert on this. For example http://www.drlwilson.com/ he is an expert on hair analysis. best wishes cindi ----- Original Message ----- From: stephen_vandevijvere To: [hidden email] Sent: Monday, February 22, 2010 11:39 PM Subject: [eSens] Re: Scams??? Hi Evie, Thanks for the info., I will try it. I still am a bit confused about the manganese-levels in my body. -Because in 2 hair tests it states that I'm too low on manganese. -On another test (based on urine/chellation) that checks for toxic metalsonly, it says that I have too much manganese. Is that possible? Or is one of the tests false? --- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote: > > Hi, Stephen, >  > Manganese helps me too, or I should say, the mix of cal AEP, pantethine, manganese, and taurine work for me (for reaction to emfs). I take the Cal AEP and pantethine together and later the taurine and manganese together. So you might try taurine with your manganese--it might help you with your hypoglycemia and headaches, if it is not already in the mix you aretaking. I also take very little manganese. Manganese can be a toxic mineral so you have to be careful using it. >  > Hope the taurine works for you, > Diane > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote: > > > From: stephen_vandevijvere <stephen_vandevijvere@...> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Scams??? > To: [hidden email] > Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 10:14 AM > > >  > > > > Hi Barb, > > The one thing that definitely works is putting off the fuse box (at night)! Or of course moving to a less emf-polluted place... > > Apart from that, I have 2 things that make a difference: > -Tachyon-energy > -Food supplement glucosamin+manganes e > > With each of them I have less problems EMF-wise (for instance driving acar). But tachyon worsens my artritis and glucosamin+manganes e worsens myhypoglykemia/ migrain/. .. which is no good either!!! > > Next week I'm gonna try manganese only... see where that brings me (According to hair tests I have a shortage of manganese and manganese-shortage is linked to allergies). And lymph drainage (as that may help my body absorb the right minerals). > > Probably the best thing in the long end is a good diet, what works bestfor you depending on possible allergies. I've read a lot of positive reactions of people who have benefited a lot from eating gluten-free (and lactose-free) . > > I've read that Marc takes (whole) food supplements, and if you can bearthem that may be an improvement. .. > > And walking at least half an hour each day (I'm not kidding!) is the best possible exercise? Or meditating! > > Greets, > Stephen. > > --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "barbpom2000" <barbpom2000@ ...> wrote: > > > > Can someone please tell me in your experiences, what really works? Inthis day and age, at least how I think , it is impossible to rid our homesof electricty. Also it is very difficult to unplug things everywhere to besafe. > > > > Everytime I begin my research on EMF's, I get so overwhelmed. You read where this product protects, but it really doesn't. You read there web site testamonials, are they real? > > > > What compaines do you really believe have truthful working protects, > > for: > > > > Cell phone protection. > > Home Protection > > > > RIght now I am looking at earth calm products. > > Thank you so much > > > > Barb > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Here is some manganese info from orthomolecular point of view.
" Summary - Manganese Although often ignored by nutrition conscious individuals, Mn is an essential trace metal frequently deficient in our diet. A component of at least six known enzymes, Mn is required for efficient sugar metabolism, for the production of cartilage - a vital structural component of our bodies, and for the manufacture of cyclic AMP - a cellular second messenger. We know that Mn deficient animals suffer impaired growth, reproductive problems, and a shortened life span. With a severe deficiency, animals cannot stand up because of defective cartilage formation. Humans with low Mn levelscan suffer chronic joint pains, particularly in the knees and back. “Growing pains” often disappear when our young patients take adequate Mn with zinc along with their vitamins. And, since the discs between the vertebrae consist largely of cartilage, wide-spread Mn deficiency might be responsible for the high incidence of back problems in the developed, more carnivorous, world. In addition, low Mn levels have been associated with epilepsy and schizophrenia. Studies dating back to 1929 indicate that schizophrenics improve withsupplementary Mn and our experience with Mn deficient schizophrenics at the Brain Bio Center supports this. We have also discovered that Mn deficientpatients may suffer depression which clears up when Mn is included in the treatment program. Seizure patients may respond dramatically to Mn. Deficiency may lead to autoimmune diseases. We find that patients with either hypoglycemia or diabetes need extra Mn tohelp normalize blood sugar levels. This isn’t surprising since in Mn deficient animals, the insulin secreting cells of the pancreas atrophy -and insulin is the body’s crucial regulator of sugar metabolism. Interestingly, low levels of this trace metal during early development may lead to malformation of the ear’s vestibular system, the ear’s mechanism responsible for maintaining balance. Young children who are slow to walk may require Mn supplements. Unfortunately, most diets, even the best planned, tend to be deficient in this important trace metal. Our Mn deficient farmlands often produce fruits and vegeta-Zinc and Manganese in the Schizophrenias bles lacking adequate levels. And, many of our frequently eaten foods contain little Mn. For example, meat, even liver, provides little Mn. Foods richin Mn include nuts, whole grains, spices, legumes, and tea leaves. Tropical fruits such as pineapple, banana, papaya, and mango are particularly goodsources. However, patients with low Mn blood or hair Mn levels will need supplementary Mn in addition to a good diet. Fortunately, Mn is well tolerated, even at high doses (up to 300 mg/day). However, occasionally in patients over forty, Mn can raise blood pressure and produce tension headaches. Ifthis occurs, the Mn dose should be stopped until the blood pressure normalizes and the headaches disappear. Dried or fresh tropical fruits and tea can then be used as a source of Mn. " http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1999/articles/1999-v14n01-p028.shtml cindi ----- Original Message ----- From: Evie To: [hidden email] Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:41 AM Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Manganese supplementation (formerly Scams) Hi, Stephen, Well, because you are now taking a supplement for manganese, and the liver probably filters out a good bit of your supplementation, it sounds like that is making its way into your urine (and certainly more manganese is in your bloodstream!) While, by hair analysis, you show the previous manganese deficiency. It sounds consistent with what should be going on, I think, unless you had these tests all prior to taking the manganese supplement. You should be able to get a new hair sample from near the root in a month or 2 of starting supplementation which will show you now have ample manganese. That is why, tho, you should consided repacking your manganese in smaller amounts. Most manganese supplements contain too much to take on an on-going basis. You could also begin taking them once or twice a week, but then you might not see the help with ES that you do now. Good luck; let me know how it goes. You are the only other ESSER I know taking manganese right now. I take a holiday every few weeks from it, btw, to ensure I am not getting toxic. My best, Diane --- On Mon, 2/22/10, stephen_ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Ok, thank you, quite interesting,
Well I have got some of the symptoms mentioned: -joint pains in knees and lower back -hypoglycemia -no shizophrenia nor epilepsy yet though ;) greets, Stephen. --- In [hidden email], "cindi" <cindiwonderer@...> wrote: > > Here is some manganese info from orthomolecular point of view. > " > Summary - Manganese > > Although often ignored by nutrition conscious individuals, Mn is an essential trace metal frequently deficient in our diet. A component of at least six known enzymes, Mn is required for efficient sugar metabolism, for the production of cartilage > > - > a vital structural component of our bodies, and for the manufacture of cyclic AMP > - > a cellular second messenger. > We know that Mn deficient animals suffer impaired growth, reproductive problems, and a shortened life span. With a severe deficiency, animals cannotstand up because of defective cartilage formation. Humans with low Mn levels can suffer chronic joint pains, particularly in the knees and back. âGrowing painsâ often disappear when our young patients take adequate Mn with zinc along with their vitamins. And, since the discs between the vertebrae consist largely of cartilage, wide-spread Mn deficiency might be responsible for the high incidence of back problems in the developed,more carnivorous, world. > > In addition, low Mn levels have been associated with epilepsy and schizophrenia. Studies dating back to 1929 indicate that schizophrenics improve with supplementary Mn and our experience with Mn deficient schizophrenics at the Brain Bio Center supports this. We have also discovered that Mn deficient patients may suffer depression which clears up when Mn is included in the treatment program. Seizure patients may respond dramatically to Mn. Deficiency may lead to autoimmune diseases. > > We find that patients with either hypoglycemia or diabetes need extra Mn to help normalize blood sugar levels. This isnât surprising since in Mn deficient animals, the insulin secreting cells of the pancreas atrophy- and insulin is the bodyâs crucial regulator of sugar metabolism.Interestingly, low levels of this trace metal during early development maylead to malformation of the earâs vestibular system, the earâs mechanism responsible for maintaining balance. Young children who are slow to walk may require Mn supplements. > > Unfortunately, most diets, even the best planned, tend to be deficient inthis important trace metal. Our Mn deficient farmlands often produce fruits and vegeta-Zinc and Manganese in the Schizophrenias > > bles lacking adequate levels. And, many of our frequently eaten foods contain little Mn. For example, meat, even liver, provides little Mn. Foods rich in Mn include nuts, whole grains, spices, legumes, and tea leaves. Tropical fruits such as pineapple, banana, papaya, and mango are particularly good sources. However, patients with low Mn blood or hair Mn levels will needsupplementary Mn in addition to a good diet. Fortunately, Mn is well tolerated, even at high doses (up to 300 mg/day). However, occasionally in patients over forty, Mn can raise blood pressure and produce tension headaches. If this occurs, the Mn dose should be stopped until the blood pressure normalizes and the headaches disappear. Dried or fresh tropical fruits and tea can then be used as a source of Mn. " > > http://www.orthomolecular.org/library/jom/1999/articles/1999-v14n01-p028.shtml > > cindi > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Evie > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:41 AM > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Manganese supplementation (formerly Scams) > > > Hi, Stephen, > > Well, because you are now taking a supplement for manganese, and the liver probably filters out a good bit of your supplementation, it sounds likethat is making its way into your urine (and certainly more manganese is inyour bloodstream!) While, by hair analysis, you show the previous manganese deficiency. It sounds consistent with what should be going on, I think, unless you had these tests all prior to taking the manganese supplement. Youshould be able to get a new hair sample from near the root in a month or 2of starting supplementation which will show you now have ample manganese. That is why, tho, you should consided repacking your manganese in smaller amounts. Most manganese supplements contain too much to take on an on-going basis. You could also begin taking them once or twice a week, but then you might not see the help with ES that you do now. > > Good luck; let me know how it goes. You are the only other ESSER I knowtaking manganese right now. I take a holiday every few weeks from it, btw,to ensure I am not getting toxic. > > My best, > Diane > > --- On Mon, 2/22/10, stephen_ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Can someone explain to me what hydrogen supplements are and where I could get them? Thanks! Amy
________________________________ From: Evie <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Mon, February 22, 2010 3:56:22 PM Subject: Re: [eSens] hydrogen supplements Hey, Marc! I don't know--I use hydrogen, you use hydrogen, many others here report having tried it and liking it. I *thought* it was one we commonly agreed on! Am I wrong, AGAIN???? ;) j/k That is interesting that both Quantums and hydrogen give you the "bloat". For me personally, the hydrogen seems to be addressing adrenal fatigue (like NADH used to when I took that.) But with the Quantum, I am mellowed out and stress is so gone I fall asleep if I sit too long in one spot. So that appears to have an adrenal effect, as well. Hmmmm.... trying to think of a link that would cause bloating--do you have alot of candida or other gut flora problems??? Both (the Qs and hyd.) are detoxing. I think both the Q devices and hydrogen have an alkalizing effect, too. I suppose that could cause bloating if your meals didn't balance it out. Take care, Diane --- On Mon, 2/22/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] hydrogen supplements To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, February 22, 2010, 3:39 PM > Hydrogen supplements seem to be > one of those things which many of us like, for example. Really? I thought that only a few of us here have tried them. And for me, hydrogen supplements have a downside in that they increase digestive bloat for me. I find it interesting that EMF devices from Quantum Products and hydrogen supplements have exactly the same benefits and side effects for me! Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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