Salt lamps

Hi everybody,
Has anyone heard about salt lamps? They are said to give off negative ions
which should be very good for the health. Among the things they are said to
”cure” is electrosensitivity.
Has anybody heard of this?

Torbjorn

Yeah, we have heard those fairy tales also.


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Hi everybody,
Has anyone heard about salt lamps? They are said to give off negative ions
which should be very good for the health. Among the things they are said to
"cure" is electrosensitivity.
Has anybody heard of this?

Torbjorn

> Has anyone heard about salt lamps? They are said to give off negative ions
> which should be very good for the health. Among the things they are said to
> ”cure” is electrosensitivity.
> Has anybody heard of this?

I bought one of these salt lamps, put it next to my computer, and it
made me feel *worse*, not better!

Marc

Hi,
   
Have not tried them myself, do use salt crystals and they help balance merather quick, chakra's or nerve centers i mean. A healer i once went to used some kinda ionizer and i wonder if they are not rather to be used used when you do healing work, than put next to the computer? Would pick up one of these lamps if i came across one here and see for myself.
   
   
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Hi everybody,
Has anyone heard about salt lamps? They are said to give off negative ions
which should be very good for the health. Among the things they are said to
"cure" is electrosensitivity.
Has anybody heard of this?

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On Thu, 15 Dec 2005 16:02:34 +0100, Torbjörn Lindblom wrote:

>Has anyone heard about salt lamps? They are said to give off negative ions
>which should be very good for the health. Among the things they are said to
>cure is electrosensitivity.
>Has anybody heard of this?

I noticed no effect whatsoever after putting two large ones next to my computer.
Also can't notice any air-cleansing effect. I think the negative ion outputis virtually neglectable..
Curing electrosensitivity with these salt lamps truly seems a fairy tale tome.

Ed

Hi,

People like to put fairy tales down or even make them dangerous and have studies proving them to encourage machismo. Or just equal them to non-sense/

The true meaning of them is to shine through the message, at least let some part of us know what is expested of us. What God has asked us to do. Purify and open your heart/ Washing your sins away (or karma or ties to the material) will leave you dressed in white, linking to the wedding anology, where The groom lifts up the bride (you) s veil, the veil the devil uses to mislead the whole earth. So the bride can finally see the Real.

For those that do get it they can be of help. (The evening i got rid of that unclean spirit i had just watched Shrek). Because we are the knight and have to storm the castle, beat the dragon guarding it, find our beloved in that chamber, our heart.

The energy i pray out through my ears likens a chain and the more i pray out the more stuff gets lifted off my heart. Like some kinda pull-bridge, so mind the symbols in fairy tales.

Silence is Key (of word and thought, non judgemental observation is a powerful weapon, the holy of holiest is in your heart and in that holiest place of your body-temple you observe silence) and once you beat the dragon (ego-mind/devil) you will be free of ES and a lot more. Truely think the solution to my ES has been spiritual. Remember I am pretty much symptom free..

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HI,

I just heard someone refer to using a ceramic blanket to sleep under
which has helped her insomnia. Ceramic is an electric insulator. She
didn't connect her insomnia to EMF, but I'm wondering two things. Have
any of you tried ceramic blankets? Does EMF cause insomnia?

Thanks,
Mariann

Hello,

to clarify, wether these qualities of a salt lamp are fairy tales or real I
did some testing with electroacupuncture. The results are:

1. A salt lamp, when switched on, has a significant positive effect on the
system of meridians, which disappears, when you cover the lamp with a blanket,
that blocks the light completely off. This effect is about the same at a
distance of 2 m and 4 m.

2. If you put your mobile on, having it close to your body, no negative
effect will show as long as the lamp is at a distance of 2 m, some negativeeffect
will show at the distance of 4 m, and the full negative effect does show, when
you put the blanket around the salt lamp blocking the light off completely.

from this simple observation you can draw several interesting conclusions
about light, salt crystals and the nature of the radiation that causes the so
called electrosmog.

Now the question arises, why several people in this list do not experience
this beneficial effect using salt lamps. I think, this is a question of
resonance. At a greater distance the e-smog neutralizing effect of the saltlamp
disappears in the above experiment. Working with electrosensitive people I have
seen, that something that works for me at a distance ot 15 m for them will work
only at a much shorter distance or even not at all. It is as if that what
causes the negative effect is drawn to them much stronger than to the electrosmog
neutralizing agent. And this attraction depends also on distance. I have seen
this law of resonance also in many other experiments with electrosmog, that
would be to long do describe here.

At least this law of resonance, that has been discovered by Nikola Tesla for
his Tesla waves more than 100 years ago might explain, why different people
react so differently towards EMF.

I hope, this will give some glimpses on the real nature of electrosmog.

dietrich


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An alternative possibility might be to look at it this way.
Electrosensitivity and electrosmog are not blanket effects; different
frequencies seem to affect different people. A salt crystal will have a
particular structure which would tend to absorb (and re-radiate) certain
frequencies, but not others. If a mobile is emitting one of these
frequencies, and a person is sensitive to it, and the salt lamp absorbs that
frequency, then it will help that person. Otherwise, there is no perceived
effect.

 

I wonder if there is an analogy to allergies. Some people are allergic to
peanuts, others to milk, and some people to a wide range of things
(especially if you have MCS etc). Maybe the same is true of electromagnetic
wave frequencies.

 

Most of Sue’s symptoms are echoed by someone or other in this group, but the
one unique thing that I have not heard anyone else say they have experienced
is her sensitivity to a particular type of street light – note, it is to the
e-m radiation generated by the light, and not the light itself, as we proved
by using blackout curtains. Maybe this is her unique “peanut allergy
factor”! Of course, she is sensitive to lots of other frequencies that give
other people problems, and I believe the most commonly reported of all is
mains power frequency (50 Hz in the UK).

 

Cyril Smith, previously at the University of Salford, has tried over the
years to measure the actual frequencies that people are sensitive to and
provide “doctored water” that aims to neutralize this. I believe it may
also be the idea behind some electrical machines used in alternative
medicine. However, it seems difficult to make it work reliably in practice
– at least from our experience.

 

Ian

 

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Salt lamps

 

Hello,

to clarify, wether these qualities of a salt lamp are fairy tales or real I
did some testing with electroacupuncture. The results are:

1. A salt lamp, when switched on, has a significant positive effect on the
system of meridians, which disappears, when you cover the lamp with a
blanket,
that blocks the light completely off. This effect is about the same at a
distance of 2 m and 4 m.

2. If you put your mobile on, having it close to your body, no negative
effect will show as long as the lamp is at a distance of 2 m, some negative
effect
will show at the distance of 4 m, and the full negative effect does show,
when
you put the blanket around the salt lamp blocking the light off completely.

from this simple observation you can draw several interesting conclusions
about light, salt crystals and the nature of the radiation that causes the
so
called electrosmog.

Now the question arises, why several people in this list do not experience
this beneficial effect using salt lamps. I think, this is a question of
resonance. At a greater distance the e-smog neutralizing effect of the salt
lamp
disappears in the above experiment. Working with electrosensitive people I
have
seen, that something that works for me at a distance ot 15 m for them will
work
only at a much shorter distance or even not at all. It is as if that what
causes the negative effect is drawn to them much stronger than to the
electrosmog
neutralizing agent. And this attraction depends also on distance. I have
seen
this law of resonance also in many other experiments with electrosmog, that
would be to long do describe here.

At least this law of resonance, that has been discovered by Nikola Tesla for

his Tesla waves more than 100 years ago might explain, why different people
react so differently towards EMF.

I hope, this will give some glimpses on the real nature of electrosmog.

dietrich


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Hi again, Ian,

Has Sue tried this water? You wrote that it hasn't worked for "us". So you think also this will not continue to work longterm? Did Sue see a difference, short term? I thank both you and Marc for your input. Even tho I think the water is really helping me alot, I may hold out on buying the water machine until I have taken the restructuring drops longer. I appreciatethe info. Thanks.
   
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Cyril Smith, previously at the University of Salford, has tried over the
years to measure the actual frequencies that people are sensitive to and
provide “doctored water” that aims to neutralize this. I believe it may
also be the idea behind some electrical machines used in alternative
medicine. However, it seems difficult to make it work reliably in practice
– at least from our experience.

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My 2 cent.

First of all, longitudinal waves do not shrink with the distance.

Magnetic and electrical fields do shrink rapidly with distance.
Electromagnetic fields like those from mobile phone masts may go over a
longer distance, say several kilometers.

Electrosensible people may react to fields so low, which are hardly
measurable.
I do know of people who also react to street lights, even in daytime, when
they are not lighting!


As I wrote earlier, I could not measure an increase of negative air-ions
from those lamps made of Himalaya salt.
That statement only states the fact, that no negative air-ions come out of
it.
It does not implicate other phenomena, like the fact that the lamp consists
of a cristal.
We all know by now, that cristals do have an effect on radiation of
electrosmog.
They may help, but after a while, they soak up the negative information, and
tahn start emitting that negative information.
As we have experienced with some gadgets, like the BioElectrical Shield.
This worked perfectly for a while, and then started emitting.
The BioElectrical Shield must then be *cleaned* by hanging it in the
sunlight, or placing it on a Purple Plate.


And yes, everybody reacts in a different way.
Electrosmog attacks first the weakest part of your body, which is for
everybody different.
This stands apart from the early warning signs like sleep disorder, constant
headache, constant tiredness, etc.

And yes, I have also found that frequencies in the mains electricity are
disturbing.
The Norm EN 50160 regulates the current from 0 Hz up to 1250 Hz or 1.25 kHz.
The Norm EN 55011-22 regulates the current from 150 kHz up to 30 MHz.
So, between 1.25 kHz and 150 kHz, there is a very gray area, without a norm,
and where everybody can place their *dirt*.
I found mostly around 30 kHz disturbing signals, coming from outside, but
also from *home-made* things like halogen lamps, faxes, etc.

*Doctored water* is also available overhere.
www.nulpuntenergie.net/dng/donave.htm
It is called Donave water.
Many frequencies and information are added to this water.
A few drops may let you make many liters of *doctored water*.

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Sent: Sunday, December 18, 2005 01:14
Subject: RE: [eSens] Salt lamps


An alternative possibility might be to look at it this way.
Electrosensitivity and electrosmog are not blanket effects; different
frequencies seem to affect different people. A salt crystal will have a
particular structure which would tend to absorb (and re-radiate) certain
frequencies, but not others. If a mobile is emitting one of these
frequencies, and a person is sensitive to it, and the salt lamp absorbs that
frequency, then it will help that person. Otherwise, there is no perceived
effect.



I wonder if there is an analogy to allergies. Some people are allergic to
peanuts, others to milk, and some people to a wide range of things
(especially if you have MCS etc). Maybe the same is true of electromagnetic
wave frequencies.



Most of Sue's symptoms are echoed by someone or other in this group, but the
one unique thing that I have not heard anyone else say they have experienced
is her sensitivity to a particular type of street light - note, it is to the
e-m radiation generated by the light, and not the light itself, as we proved
by using blackout curtains. Maybe this is her unique "peanut allergy
factor"! Of course, she is sensitive to lots of other frequencies that give
other people problems, and I believe the most commonly reported of all is
mains power frequency (50 Hz in the UK).



Cyril Smith, previously at the University of Salford, has tried over the
years to measure the actual frequencies that people are sensitive to and
provide "doctored water" that aims to neutralize this. I believe it may
also be the idea behind some electrical machines used in alternative
medicine. However, it seems difficult to make it work reliably in practice
- at least from our experience.



Ian



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Sent: 17 December 2005 21:02
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Salt lamps



Hello,

to clarify, wether these qualities of a salt lamp are fairy tales or real I
did some testing with electroacupuncture. The results are:

1. A salt lamp, when switched on, has a significant positive effect on the
system of meridians, which disappears, when you cover the lamp with a
blanket,
that blocks the light completely off. This effect is about the same at a
distance of 2 m and 4 m.

2. If you put your mobile on, having it close to your body, no negative
effect will show as long as the lamp is at a distance of 2 m, some negative
effect
will show at the distance of 4 m, and the full negative effect does show,
when
you put the blanket around the salt lamp blocking the light off completely.

from this simple observation you can draw several interesting conclusions
about light, salt crystals and the nature of the radiation that causes the
so
called electrosmog.

Now the question arises, why several people in this list do not experience
this beneficial effect using salt lamps. I think, this is a question of
resonance. At a greater distance the e-smog neutralizing effect of the salt
lamp
disappears in the above experiment. Working with electrosensitive people I
have
seen, that something that works for me at a distance ot 15 m for them will
work
only at a much shorter distance or even not at all. It is as if that what
causes the negative effect is drawn to them much stronger than to the
electrosmog
neutralizing agent. And this attraction depends also on distance. I have
seen
this law of resonance also in many other experiments with electrosmog, that
would be to long do describe here.

At least this law of resonance, that has been discovered by Nikola Tesla for

his Tesla waves more than 100 years ago might explain, why different people
react so differently towards EMF.

I hope, this will give some glimpses on the real nature of electrosmog.

dietrich


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Sue gave up the water tubes because she suffered an immediate short-term
reaction to them. This is probably specific to her. If the water is
helping you, then I suggest you continue with it. Different people seem to
differ hugely in their reactions to lots of these things.



As a matter of interest, Sue has had 3 goes at methods which used "inputting
electrical frequencies" in the broadest sense, and had completely different
reactions to each. At the time she was suffering both from the ES tinnitus
and severe depressive "black fogs", usually MCS-induced.



1. Bioenergetics - a machine called Raytheon I think. On the first
visit it made the tinnitus a bit worse but lifted the black fogs completely
for 6 weeks - a completely unexpected result to us and the operator! On the
second visit it didn't help the black fogs and worsened the tinnitus
further.
2. Pendants worn round the neck. Sue felt better for about 2 hours but
then progressively felt worse. Within a few hours they worsened her
tinnitus a lot. She tried using them in short bursts at times after that,
but the losses seemed greater than the gains.
3. Cyril Smith's water tubes imprinted with frequencies measured from a
water sample Sue had supplied. The tinnitus was unaffected but it gave her
a very bad black fog lasting for 48 hours! After that she was
understandably reluctant to try them again.



It was suggested that Sue may be particularly sensitive or weakened, and
that in her case, anything which "adds in extra frequencies", even "good"
ones to try to counteract the "bad" ones, may be more than she can take. I
emphasise that other people could react completely differently. People have
said that they have been helped by each of the three methods above.
Treatments for ES definitely do not seem to be "one size fits all"!



In the intervening months Sue has got to the points where the depressive
black fogs are now rare and occasional. Just as well, because the worst of
them made her feel suicidal - and she could tell that this was a chemical
effect, not a psychological one. We believe the single biggest factor in
her improvement has been intravenous glutathione drips, to restore some of
her liver detox functions to a better level. But it does not seem to have
helped the tinnitus (yet), and we still have a long way to go.



Ian

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Subject: RE: [eSens] Salt lamps



Hi again, Ian,

Has Sue tried this water? You wrote that it hasn't worked for "us". So
you think also this will not continue to work longterm? Did Sue see a
difference, short term? I thank both you and Marc for your input. Even tho
I think the water is really helping me alot, I may hold out on buying the
water machine until I have taken the restructuring drops longer. I
appreciate the info. Thanks.

Diane aka Mia/Evie
Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Cyril Smith, previously at the University of Salford, has tried over the
years to measure the actual frequencies that people are sensitive to and
provide "doctored water" that aims to neutralize this. I believe it may
also be the idea behind some electrical machines used in alternative
medicine. However, it seems difficult to make it work reliably in practice
- at least from our experience.

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Hi, Ian,

Thanks for your post. I see now, however, that we are talking about 2 different kinds of waters. The water you were referring to is "imprinted" with frequencies. But the water I was referring to is just electrically charged to have more negative ions and a higher pH.

I believe it was Charles who just wrote about crystals that collect frequencies and then get filled up and emit the same back at you--perhaps this is what happens with Sue's pendants???

Also, I think it was Charles who mentioned the foot bath--this is the water I am talking about, tho I am drinking it. If I get the water machine, I am going to try it in my regular foot bath. I know you can get the foot bath that makes its own water, but it is pricey (tho the drinking water machine is even more, it just has more uses). I think getting a drinking water machine and then using it in the foot bath would be the way I want to go (since I want to drink it anyway). But I mention this foot bath because I have heard great things about it. Not re ES, but re removing toxins.

I have an ongoing lymphatic congestion problem that I am working on (from lifelong problems with gluten wastes, other food intolerance wastes, gut dysbiosis wastes and toxins, and hormonal dumping). That is the reason I am interested in the water (and also it has an influence on lowering serotonin concentrations, which I apparently have too much of in parts of my body, tho possibly not enough of in my brain). Of course, I am experimenting on myself and will have to proceed cautiously.

My best to Sue.
Happy holidays,
Diane

Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Diane/Mia/Evie,

Sue gave up the water tubes because she suffered an immediate short-term
reaction to them. This is probably specific to her. If the water is
helping you, then I suggest you continue with it. Different people seem to
differ hugely in their reactions to lots of these things.

As a matter of interest, Sue has had 3 goes at methods which used "inputting
electrical frequencies" in the broadest sense, and had completely different
reactions to each. At the time she was suffering both from the ES tinnitus
and severe depressive "black fogs", usually MCS-induced.

1. Bioenergetics - a machine called Raytheon I think. On the first
visit it made the tinnitus a bit worse but lifted the black fogs completely
for 6 weeks - a completely unexpected result to us and the operator! On the
second visit it didn't help the black fogs and worsened the tinnitus
further.
2. Pendants worn round the neck. Sue felt better for about 2 hours but
then progressively felt worse. Within a few hours they worsened her
tinnitus a lot. She tried using them in short bursts at times after that,
but the losses seemed greater than the gains.
3. Cyril Smith's water tubes imprinted with frequencies measured from a
water sample Sue had supplied. The tinnitus was unaffected but it gave her
a very bad black fog lasting for 48 hours! After that she was
understandably reluctant to try them again.



It was suggested that Sue may be particularly sensitive or weakened, and
that in her case, anything which "adds in extra frequencies", even "good"
ones to try to counteract the "bad" ones, may be more than she can take. I
emphasise that other people could react completely differently. People have
said that they have been helped by each of the three methods above.
Treatments for ES definitely do not seem to be "one size fits all"!

In the intervening months Sue has got to the points where the depressive
black fogs are now rare and occasional. Just as well, because the worst of
them made her feel suicidal - and she could tell that this was a chemical
effect, not a psychological one. We believe the single biggest factor in
her improvement has been intravenous glutathione drips, to restore some of
her liver detox functions to a better level. But it does not seem to have
helped the tinnitus (yet), and we still have a long way to go.
Ian
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Hi,

Awhile ago i felt real bad real quick. An order from Canada came jsut in time, ordered several products from http://life-enthusiast.com/. Immediately got back in balanced, felt the saltcrystals balance my chakra's as i have shared before. Also drank some of Miracle II which is contains Prayer, Electrically engineered eloptic oxygenated water, ash of dedecyl solution, calcium potassium, magnesium and the Aointing of God. Says it holds spiritual and eloptic energy beyond measure. Reported by many as an emergency room in a bottle. And i second that, like it a lot, was 27 canadian for 2 oz bottle. For most ailments the recommend 7 drops in water, milk or juice. Sometimes i drink more of it and pure, also clean ears nose and you know 7 holes with it and this has gotten some weird energy out..// Powerful alkalizer..

All the products sold there seem pretty good. Also a bunch of scientific (or whatever) theories sported for the various product lines, and EMF pollution seems to be one of their mayor concerns.

Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Diane/Mia/Evie,



Sue gave up the water tubes because she suffered an immediate short-term
reaction to them. This is probably specific to her. If the water is
helping you, then I suggest you continue with it. Different people seem to
differ hugely in their reactions to lots of these things.



As a matter of interest, Sue has had 3 goes at methods which used "inputting
electrical frequencies" in the broadest sense, and had completely different
reactions to each. At the time she was suffering both from the ES tinnitus
and severe depressive "black fogs", usually MCS-induced.



1. Bioenergetics - a machine called Raytheon I think. On the first
visit it made the tinnitus a bit worse but lifted the black fogs completely
for 6 weeks - a completely unexpected result to us and the operator! On the
second visit it didn't help the black fogs and worsened the tinnitus
further.
2. Pendants worn round the neck. Sue felt better for about 2 hours but
then progressively felt worse. Within a few hours they worsened her
tinnitus a lot. She tried using them in short bursts at times after that,
but the losses seemed greater than the gains.
3. Cyril Smith's water tubes imprinted with frequencies measured from a
water sample Sue had supplied. The tinnitus was unaffected but it gave her
a very bad black fog lasting for 48 hours! After that she was
understandably reluctant to try them again.



It was suggested that Sue may be particularly sensitive or weakened, and
that in her case, anything which "adds in extra frequencies", even "good"
ones to try to counteract the "bad" ones, may be more than she can take. I
emphasise that other people could react completely differently. People have
said that they have been helped by each of the three methods above.
Treatments for ES definitely do not seem to be "one size fits all"!



In the intervening months Sue has got to the points where the depressive
black fogs are now rare and occasional. Just as well, because the worst of
them made her feel suicidal - and she could tell that this was a chemical
effect, not a psychological one. We believe the single biggest factor in
her improvement has been intravenous glutathione drips, to restore some of
her liver detox functions to a better level. But it does not seem to have
helped the tinnitus (yet), and we still have a long way to go.



Ian

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Sent: 18 December 2005 09:38
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Salt lamps



Hi again, Ian,

Has Sue tried this water? You wrote that it hasn't worked for "us". So
you think also this will not continue to work longterm? Did Sue see a
difference, short term? I thank both you and Marc for your input. Even tho
I think the water is really helping me alot, I may hold out on buying the
water machine until I have taken the restructuring drops longer. I
appreciate the info. Thanks.

Diane aka Mia/Evie
Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
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years to measure the actual frequencies that people are sensitive to and
provide "doctored water" that aims to neutralize this. I believe it may
also be the idea behind some electrical machines used in alternative
medicine. However, it seems difficult to make it work reliably in practice
- at least from our experience.

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OOops, misquoted the price, was 20 dollars canadian

Love and Ligth

perla1133 <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

Awhile ago i felt real bad real quick. An order from Canada came just in time, ordered several products from http://life-enthusiast.com/. Immediately got back in balance, felt the saltcrystals balance my chakra's as i have shared before. Also drank some of Miracle II which is contains Prayer, Electrically engineered eloptic oxygenated water, ash of dedecyl solution, calcium potassium, magnesium and the Anointing of God. Says it holds spiritual and eloptic energy beyond measure. Reported by many as an emergency room in a bottle. And i second that, like it a lot, was 27 canadian for 2 oz bottle. For most ailments the recommend 7 drops in water, milk or juice. Sometimes i drink more of it and pure, also clean ears nose and you know 7 holes with it and this has gotten some weird energy out..// Powerful alkalizer..

All the products sold there seem pretty good. Also a bunch of scientific (or whatever) theories sported for the various product lines, and EMF pollution seems to be one of their mayor concerns.
A lot of the products contain magnesium ox., a supplement i like to use as well..

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Hi Diane/Mia/Evie,



Sue gave up the water tubes because she suffered an immediate short-term
reaction to them. This is probably specific to her. If the water is
helping you, then I suggest you continue with it. Different people seem to
differ hugely in their reactions to lots of these things.



As a matter of interest, Sue has had 3 goes at methods which used "inputting
electrical frequencies" in the broadest sense, and had completely different
reactions to each. At the time she was suffering both from the ES tinnitus
and severe depressive "black fogs", usually MCS-induced.



1. Bioenergetics - a machine called Raytheon I think. On the first
visit it made the tinnitus a bit worse but lifted the black fogs completely
for 6 weeks - a completely unexpected result to us and the operator! On the
second visit it didn't help the black fogs and worsened the tinnitus
further.
2. Pendants worn round the neck. Sue felt better for about 2 hours but
then progressively felt worse. Within a few hours they worsened her
tinnitus a lot. She tried using them in short bursts at times after that,
but the losses seemed greater than the gains.
3. Cyril Smith's water tubes imprinted with frequencies measured from a
water sample Sue had supplied. The tinnitus was unaffected but it gave her
a very bad black fog lasting for 48 hours! After that she was
understandably reluctant to try them again.



It was suggested that Sue may be particularly sensitive or weakened, and
that in her case, anything which "adds in extra frequencies", even "good"
ones to try to counteract the "bad" ones, may be more than she can take. I
emphasise that other people could react completely differently. People have
said that they have been helped by each of the three methods above.
Treatments for ES definitely do not seem to be "one size fits all"!



In the intervening months Sue has got to the points where the depressive
black fogs are now rare and occasional. Just as well, because the worst of
them made her feel suicidal - and she could tell that this was a chemical
effect, not a psychological one. We believe the single biggest factor in
her improvement has been intravenous glutathione drips, to restore some of
her liver detox functions to a better level. But it does not seem to have
helped the tinnitus (yet), and we still have a long way to go.



Ian

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Sent: 18 December 2005 09:38
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Salt lamps



Hi again, Ian,

Has Sue tried this water? You wrote that it hasn't worked for "us". So
you think also this will not continue to work longterm? Did Sue see a
difference, short term? I thank both you and Marc for your input. Even tho
I think the water is really helping me alot, I may hold out on buying the
water machine until I have taken the restructuring drops longer. I
appreciate the info. Thanks.

Diane aka Mia/Evie
Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Cyril Smith, previously at the University of Salford, has tried over the
years to measure the actual frequencies that people are sensitive to and
provide "doctored water" that aims to neutralize this. I believe it may
also be the idea behind some electrical machines used in alternative
medicine. However, it seems difficult to make it work reliably in practice
- at least from our experience.

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> Also drank some of Miracle II. Reported by many as an emergency
> room in a bottle.

I ordered a couple products from this line a few years ago, but
never found any benefit to them -- other than using them as a
shampoo to wash the dog!

Marc

Sweet,.....

i do not lie, and do not know you ever as a dog -guy ------it was not a dig , i love my dogs, they love the milk and i give it to them when i do not feel like having it, i have 4 the 5th next door and i feed them how i please, no dig intended '.. (gotta keep them from staying away so i buy it)

Love,

my left-brain headache is fading thank God :0)

or whatever. liked the recent discuussions even if i should be looking toi be on my way out again

Oh prayer does work, any intentions do them in the name of the Lord,,,





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> room in a bottle.

I ordered a couple products from this line a few years ago, but
never found any benefit to them -- other than using them as a
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Hi,

I do inend o ascend.. at the same time i do get drunk and even do it on tequila.. However i chose this board and there should be a reason. Anything could be undone, remember i was close to sgning off before and ascending beings here ave notbee posting much, break witrh whatever this world is,,


Gonna only post until I have my new mind= holy spirit, or wisdom or the spirit of jesus christ whitnin me = Peace with God.. So goooood riiiidddddance

Love to you all

May all your karmic ties be cleared, to Christ alone i bow




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Sweet,.....

i do not lie (and that is the problem), and do not know you ever as a dog -guy ------it was not a dig , i love my dogs, they love the milk and i give it to them when i do not feel like having it, i have 4 the 5th next door and i feed them how i please, no dig intended '.. (gotta keep them from staying away so i buy it)

Love,

my left-brain headache is fading thank God :0)

or whatever. liked the recent discussions even if i should be looking to be on my way out again

Oh prayer does work, any intentions , or affirmations do them in the name of the Lord,,,


(hey we are on Holy Mount Sion)

Sooo Ciau, Sayanora, and Toodles ALL IS IN THE NAME OF GOD ON MOUNT SION//

Guess the asendind ones are smarter.,, this let me check what i am doing moves are untrusting and bad for my health.. God will Love his children Light'/;'//

TTOOOOODLES

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Also drank some of Miracle II. Reported by many as an emergency
> room in a bottle.

I ordered a couple products from this line a few years ago, but
never found any benefit to them -- other than using them as a
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Reread that and GUESS IT meands Toodles, Love to not have to recall whatever i did to ge there.

Hey, christ will love you free & you \\can thank God it is not me..

check that link

Iove you , and signing out One addiction gone..

perla1133 <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi,

I do inend o ascend.. at the same time i do get drunk and even do it on tequila.. However i chose this board and there should be a reason. Anything could be undone, remember i was close to sgning off before and ascending beings here ave notbee posting much, break witrh whatever this world is,,


Gonna only post until I have my new mind= holy spirit, or wisdom or the spirit of jesus christ whitnin me = Peace with God.. So goooood riiiidddddance

Love to you all

May all your karmic ties be cleared, to Christ alone i bow




perla1133 <[hidden email]> wrote:
Sweet,.....

i do not lie (and that is the problem), and do not know you ever as a dog -guy ------it was not a dig , i love my dogs, they love the milk and i give it to them when i do not feel like having it, i have 4 the 5th next door and i feed them how i please, no dig intended '.. (gotta keep them from staying away so i buy it)

Love,

my left-brain headache is fading thank God :0)

or whatever. liked the recent discussions even if i should be looking to be on my way out again

Oh prayer does work, any intentions , or affirmations do them in the name of the Lord,,,


(hey we are on Holy Mount Sion)

Sooo Ciau, Sayanora, and Toodles ALL IS IN THE NAME OF GOD ON MOUNT SION//

Guess the asendind ones are smarter.,, this let me check what i am doing moves are untrusting and bad for my health.. God will Love his children Light'/;'//

TTOOOOODLES

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> Also drank some of Miracle II. Reported by many as an emergency
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I ordered a couple products from this line a few years ago, but
never found any benefit to them -- other than using them as a
shampoo to wash the dog!

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Foot baths are another item which I was initially skeptical about, but which
several people have reported working well. In Sue's case it worked too well
- she had baths with Epsom salts (magnesium sulphate) to try to get
inorganic sulphate into her system (a deficiency specific to her). She got
a bad reaction - too much was absorbed and it released too many built-up
nasties from her system! So it seems that the skin is more permeable than I
thought, and it should be possible to remove toxins through it.

Ian

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Also, I think it was Charles who mentioned the foot bath--this is the
water I am talking about, tho I am drinking it. If I get the water machine,
I am going to try it in my regular foot bath. I know you can get the foot
bath that makes its own water, but it is pricey (tho the drinking water
machine is even more, it just has more uses). I think getting a drinking
water machine and then using it in the foot bath would be the way I want to
go (since I want to drink it anyway). But I mention this foot bath because
I have heard great things about it. Not re ES, but re removing toxins.

I have an ongoing lymphatic congestion problem that I am working on (from
lifelong problems with gluten wastes, other food intolerance wastes, gut
dysbiosis wastes and toxins, and hormonal dumping). That is the reason I am
interested in the water (and also it has an influence on lowering serotonin
concentrations, which I apparently have too much of in parts of my body, tho
possibly not enough of in my brain). Of course, I am experimenting on
myself and will have to proceed cautiously.

My best to Sue.
Happy holidays,
Diane

Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hi Diane/Mia/Evie,

Sue gave up the water tubes because she suffered an immediate short-term
reaction to them. This is probably specific to her. If the water is
helping you, then I suggest you continue with it. Different people seem to
differ hugely in their reactions to lots of these things.

As a matter of interest, Sue has had 3 goes at methods which used "inputting
electrical frequencies" in the broadest sense, and had completely different
reactions to each. At the time she was suffering both from the ES tinnitus
and severe depressive "black fogs", usually MCS-induced.

1. Bioenergetics - a machine called Raytheon I think. On the first
visit it made the tinnitus a bit worse but lifted the black fogs completely
for 6 weeks - a completely unexpected result to us and the operator! On the
second visit it didn't help the black fogs and worsened the tinnitus
further.
2. Pendants worn round the neck. Sue felt better for about 2 hours but
then progressively felt worse. Within a few hours they worsened her
tinnitus a lot. She tried using them in short bursts at times after that,
but the losses seemed greater than the gains.
3. Cyril Smith's water tubes imprinted with frequencies measured from a
water sample Sue had supplied. The tinnitus was unaffected but it gave her
a very bad black fog lasting for 48 hours! After that she was
understandably reluctant to try them again.



It was suggested that Sue may be particularly sensitive or weakened, and
that in her case, anything which "adds in extra frequencies", even "good"
ones to try to counteract the "bad" ones, may be more than she can take. I
emphasise that other people could react completely differently. People have
said that they have been helped by each of the three methods above.
Treatments for ES definitely do not seem to be "one size fits all"!

In the intervening months Sue has got to the points where the depressive
black fogs are now rare and occasional. Just as well, because the worst of
them made her feel suicidal - and she could tell that this was a chemical
effect, not a psychological one. We believe the single biggest factor in
her improvement has been intravenous glutathione drips, to restore some of
her liver detox functions to a better level. But it does not seem to have
helped the tinnitus (yet), and we still have a long way to go.
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