Re: Hello everyone-an introduction/Stewart

Thanks for all the info you gave. That's one thing I can't see about moving
to the middle of nowhere. Now they are planning these WIMAX towers, I don't
see why it would even matter. And right now we have a cordless phone, but when
we move I'm changing that. So would you all say that wireless devices are
worse than nonwireless?
Amy



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> So would you all say that wireless devices are worse than nonwireless?

Definitely -- you should see some immediate improvement if you replace
all wireless devices with non-wireless. Although you still have to
concern yourself with the wireless devices in use around your
neighborhood -- the last time I checked, our laptop could find
11 wireless networks from inside our house, even though we have none
inside our house!

Marc

--- On Tue, 6/10/08, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello everyone-an introduction/Stewart
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 12:55 PM






Thanks for all the info you gave. That's one thing I can't see about moving
to the middle of nowhere. Now they are planning these WIMAX towers, I don't
see why it would even matter. And right now we have a cordless phone, but when
we move I'm changing that. So would you all say that wireless devices are
worse than nonwireless?
Amy

************ **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best
2008. (http://citysbest. aol.com?ncid= aolacg0005000000 0102)

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Hi, Amy,
 
Sorry the last reply got sent without anything in it! 
 
I am not totally sure all wired is better than wireless.  For me personally, I see a diffference between analog and digital signals.  This comes into play particularly with the tv sets now.  I see a difference with "high definition" tv programs playing on my analog tv too.  I think what the govt is trying to do is phase out analog transmittions altogether.  I now have an analog cordless phone--it doesn't bother me at all.  But I cannot go near my brother's digital phone in his home.  Same with tv, my analog set usually doesn't bother me, except when you go into the settings and get the"blue screen".  However, when a high def tv program comes on, I get headaches and dizzy.  (Followed by turning it off.) 
 
I was thinking I'd be ok with a cable connection with my analog/digital set tuned into analog once they do away with analog next year, but now I am wondering whether that will work either.  (Since I can still react to hi def programs with it set to analog.) 
 
So much of this is not known until you get into the situation and you just have to play around with fixes or get rid of particular things you can live without.  But do not assume a corded item is better, because you may be like me and react to digital frequencies.  You may need to experiment some with the electronics of friends to see what you can tolerate best.  But know that that can also change.  There are things I once tolerated well that have now become less tolerable.
 
Also, you mentioned about wi-max towers affecting the out-lying areas of the country.  That is true.  I live in a rural area and it can be bad in much of the mountainous areas.  But since you are house hunting....  If you can, try out either the highest points in your area, where no other mtn ranges are even close.  (They position most towers on mtn ranges and position them so the frequencies are somewhat pointed down, rather than out--at least that is my experience here.  So on mountains some ways away from towers can be quite peaceful, es-wise.)  OR, if you can find valleys where there are twists and turns in the topography--no long straight valley where a tower at either end would affect you--that can also sometimes work well as long as there are no towers above.  In a city setting, many buildings can also be shielding, but then you have to be concerned about what electronics the occupants are using.
 
Also there is this site, sent to us by another member here, which you can use to tell where towers are:
 
http://www.antennasearch.com/
 
Good luck,
Diane
 


--- On Tue, 6/10/08, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello everyone-an introduction/Stewart
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 12:55 PM






Thanks for all the info you gave. That's one thing I can't see about moving
to the middle of nowhere. Now they are planning these WIMAX towers, I don't
see why it would even matter. And right now we have a cordless phone, but when
we move I'm changing that. So would you all say that wireless devices are
worse than nonwireless?
Amy

************ **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best
2008. (http://citysbest. aol.com?ncid= aolacg0005000000 0102)

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Help, Marc!  What did I do to cause all the"&nbsp's"?  If you can tell me, I will resend!
 
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/11/08, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello everyone-an introduction/Stewart
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 12:46 PM






Hi, Amy,
 
Sorry the last reply got sent without anything in it! 
 
I am not totally sure all wired is better than wireless.  For me personally, I see a diffference between analog and digital signals.  This comes into play particularly with the tv sets now.  I see a difference with "high definition" tv programs  playing on my analog tv too.  I think what the govt is trying to do is phase out analog transmittions altogether.& nbsp; I now have an analog cordless phone--it doesn't bother me at all.  But I cannot go near my brother's digital  phone in his home.  Same with tv, my analog set usually doesn't bother me, except when you go into the settings and get the"blue screen".  However,  when a high def tv program comes on, I get headaches and dizzy.  (Followed by turning it off.) 
 
I was thinking I'd be ok with a cable connection  with my analog/digital set tuned into analog once they do away with analog next year, but now I am wondering whether that will work either.  (Since I can still react to hi def programs with it set to analog.) 
 
So much of this is not known until you get into the situation and you just have to play around with fixes or get rid of particular things you can live without.  But do not assume a corded item is better, because you may be like me and react to digital frequencies.   You may need to experiment some with the electronics of friends to see what you can tolerate best.  But know that that can also change.  There are things I once tolerated well that have now become less tolerable.
 
Also, you mentioned about wi-max towers affecting the out-lying areas of the country.  That is true.  I live in a rural area and it can be bad in much of the mountainous areas.  But since you are house hunting....& nbsp; If you can, try out either the highest points in your area, where no other mtn ranges are even close.  (They position most towers on mtn ranges and position them so the frequencies are somewhat pointed down, rather than out--at least that is my experience here.  So on mountains some ways away from towers can be quite peaceful, es-wise.)  OR, if you can find valleys where there are twists and turns in the topography-- no long straight valley where a tower at either end would affect you--that can also sometimes work well as long as there are no towers above.  In a city setting, many buildings can also be shielding, but then you have to be concerned about what electronics
the occupants are using.
 
Also there is this site, sent to us by another member here, which you can use to tell where towers are:
 
http://www.antennas earch.com/
 
Good luck,
Diane
 

--- On Tue, 6/10/08, javamdnss@aol. com <javamdnss@aol. com> wrote:

From: javamdnss@aol. com <javamdnss@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello everyone-an introduction/ Stewart
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 12:55 PM

Thanks for all the info you gave. That's one thing I can't see about moving
to the middle of nowhere. Now they are planning these WIMAX towers, I don't
see why it would even matter. And right now we have a cordless phone, but when
we move I'm changing that. So would you all say that wireless devices are
worse than nonwireless?
Amy

************ **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best
2008. (http://citysbest. aol.com?ncid= aolacg0005000000 0102)

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> Help, Marc!  What did I do to cause all the"&nbsp's"?  If
> you can tell me, I will resend!

I don't know -- it must have something to do with whatever software
you are using to type in your messages...

Marc

For Esens people who can watch a bit of TV on analog signal but who
can't tolerate the digital signal I think that it is unfair for them  
[plus a lot of others who can't afford to make the switch] that the
govt is planning to switch off the analog signal - can we campaign
against this?

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Amy,
> &nbsp;
> Sorry the last reply got sent without anything in it!&nbsp;
> &nbsp;
> I am not totally sure all wired is better than wireless.&nbsp; For
me personally, I see a diffference between analog and digital
signals.&nbsp; This comes into play particularly with the tv sets
now.&nbsp; I see a difference with "high definition" tv
programs&nbsp;playing on my analog tv too.&nbsp; I think
what&nbsp;the govt is&nbsp;trying to do is phase out analog
transmittions altogether.&nbsp; I now have an analog cordless phone--
it doesn't bother me at all.&nbsp; But I cannot go near my brother's
digital&nbsp;phone in his home.&nbsp; Same with tv, my analog set
usually doesn't bother me, except when you go into the settings and
get the"blue screen".&nbsp; However,&nbsp;when a high def tv program
comes on, I get headaches and dizzy.&nbsp; (Followed by turning it
off.)&nbsp;
> &nbsp;
> I was thinking I'd be ok&nbsp;with a&nbsp;cable
connection&nbsp;with my analog/digital set tuned into analog once
they do away with analog next year, but now I am wondering whether
that will work either.&nbsp; (Since I can still react to hi def
programs with it set to analog.)&nbsp;
> &nbsp;
> So much of this is not known until you get into the situation and
you just have to play around with fixes or get rid of particular
things you can live without.&nbsp; But do not assume a corded item is
better, because you may be like me and react to digital
frequencies.&nbsp; You may need to experiment some with the
electronics of friends to see what you can tolerate best.&nbsp; But
know that that can also change.&nbsp; There are things I once
tolerated well that have now become less tolerable.
> &nbsp;
> Also, you mentioned about wi-max towers affecting the out-lying
areas of the country.&nbsp; That is true.&nbsp; I live in a rural
area and it can be bad in much of the mountainous areas.&nbsp; But
since you are house hunting....&nbsp; If you can, try out either the
highest points in your area, where no other mtn ranges are even
close.&nbsp; (They position most towers on mtn ranges and position
them so the frequencies are somewhat pointed down, rather than out--
at least that is my experience here.&nbsp; So on mountains some ways
away from towers can be quite peaceful, es-wise.)&nbsp; OR, if you
can find valleys where there are twists and turns in the topography--
no long straight valley where a tower at either end would affect you--
that can also sometimes work well as long as there are no towers
above.&nbsp; In a city setting, many buildings can also be shielding,
but then you have to be concerned about what electronics the
occupants are using.
> &nbsp;
> Also there is this site, sent to us by another member here,
which&nbsp;you can use to tell where towers are: about moving
> to the middle of nowhere. Now they are planning these WIMAX towers,
I don't
> see why it would even matter. And right now we have a cordless
phone, but when
> we move I'm changing that. So would you all say that wireless
devices are
> worse than nonwireless?
> Amy
>
> ************ **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife.
City's Best

Hi again, Marc,
&nbsp;
Same software as I always use!&nbsp; Never had this happen before so thought I must have hit a wrong button somewhere!&nbsp;
&nbsp;
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/11/08, Marc Martin &lt;[hidden email]&gt; wrote:

From: Marc Martin &lt;[hidden email]&gt;
Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello everyone-an introduction/Stewart
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 1:10 PM






&gt; Help, Marc!&amp;nbsp; What did I do to cause all the"&amp;amp;nbsp' s"?&amp;nbsp; If
&gt; you can tell me, I will resend!

I don't know -- it must have something to do with whatever software
you are using to type in your messages...

Marc


















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Actually Diane, I don't see any of those odd characters in your original
message.

I find it strange that you react to high definition programming on
your non high definition TV set. Do you have any theories as to
why this would be? Perhaps I don't understand exactly what you
mean by this?

I have an old analog TV set combined with a high definition cable
box, and the cable box downconverts the high definition channels
to standard definition. But I notice no difference in my
reaction to the TV set, whether the original source is analog,
digital, or high definition...

Marc

Thanks, Marc!
&nbsp;
Oh, so I am seeing it on my computer, but you all can read my emails without seeing the characters!&nbsp; Hmmm.&nbsp; Maybe I did unintentionally hit a button somewhere and it is translating my messages differently--I can work on that.&nbsp; Thanks Marc.
&nbsp;
I have no idea why I'd react to high def on my analog setting, BUT, my tv set is not truly an analog only&nbsp;tv, so maybe that is why???&nbsp; It has an analog/digital setting.&nbsp; And I do have problems when I go into the settings panels, etc.&nbsp; I thought it strange I should react on analog also.&nbsp; I noticed this recently when the "Weather Channel" went to high def programming.&nbsp; Also, I get a spike in&nbsp;my reactions&nbsp;when we turn the tv on--especially when it is set to the Weather Channel.&nbsp; (Hubby often checks the weather before turning off the tube when I am not around.)&nbsp; You have given me a thought, tho--perhaps I could buy up peoples' old analog only sets!&nbsp; I don't think they even sell these anymore in stores.
&nbsp;
Thanks, Marc,
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/11/08, Marc Martin &lt;[hidden email]&gt; wrote:

From: Marc Martin &lt;[hidden email]&gt;
Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello everyone-an introduction/Stewart
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 1:15 PM






Actually Diane, I don't see any of those odd characters in your original
message.

I find it strange that you react to high definition programming on
your non high definition TV set. Do you have any theories as to
why this would be? Perhaps I don't understand exactly what you
mean by this?

I have an old analog TV set combined with a high definition cable
box, and the cable box downconverts the high definition channels
to standard definition. But I notice no difference in my
reaction to the TV set, whether the original source is analog,
digital, or high definition.. .

Marc


















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I can guarantee you that wired is much better than wireless.

A lot of electrosensibles are succeptable to *dirty power*.

Dirty power is not only in the *mains*, but also *in the air*.

A number of electrical appliances may produce those frequencies.

Especially TV sets do.
They have frequencies for producing the images, but others for digital
images.
So there are very different frequencies used for the image building on
television screens.

Most of them are between 5 kHz and 200 kHz.

I use for detection a VLF Spion with a small digital antenna. With it, I can
measure the total surface of e LCD television,and that way can find any
disturbing spots, for which electrosensibles can have adverse health
reactions.
Some television sets are fine, while others are really a disaster.

Listen to some modulations on:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html

Electrosensibles beware !!

Those sounds are audible, so the frequencies may be between 20 Hz and 20.000
Hz.
So technically, high frequency carrier frequencies cannot be there included,
like 900 MHz or 1800 MHz.
Stiil, electrosensible people may experience trouble while just listening to
these sounds.
The original source is not present, and neither are the Hf carrier
frequencies.

That is the proof of the pudding, that the pulsrates, or modulations, which
are lowfrequent, do the harm to people.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "Evie" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello everyone-an introduction/Stewart

&nbsp;
Hi I'm Loni &amp; am new to the group. I am in a real pickle!
&nbsp;
I bought a home not knowing about my electrical sensitivities. Spent our life savings &amp; I can't live here. I live in an electrical storm. I have 2 problems:
&nbsp;
The one that keeps me tossing &amp; turning is the outside electrical at night. We are in a busy intersection. Have lots of street light. There are 3 schools near with about 4 stadiums with those bright lights, power lines I can see from my home, all the homes behind me have roof top a/c units that emit emf.&nbsp;
&nbsp;
Soooooo........my body is in huge stress when&nbsp;night rolls around. I can't sleep here so I go to the park/desert to sleep in my van (which is toxic). Getting too hot &amp; need to find&nbsp;a solution. I'm going to&nbsp;SnowFlake for a few weeks to detox but then will be back. I just don't know what to do.
&nbsp;
I did order the Quantum Home to try it. Can"t wait to receive it. However, I have tried some plug ins &amp; they did not work so I don't want to get my hopes up too high. The emf&nbsp;in here is pretty bad.
&nbsp;
My second problem is my fridge. I&nbsp;can't tolerate it. So I was going to move the darn thing in the garage but because it&nbsp;runs all the time, I still think it's going to go through the walls &amp; effect me. I will try however.
&nbsp;
If that does not work, I am entertaining&nbsp;putting a propane fridge in the garage.
&nbsp;
Any advice or&nbsp;ideas for me.&nbsp;
&nbsp;
This is a life threatening situation for me.&nbsp;
&nbsp;
Thanks for the help!&nbsp;&nbsp; Loni&nbsp;
&nbsp;




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The refrigerator was truly horrendous! Most of the time we don't actually
hear the sound the electronics make that sound like those on the link, do we???
Amy

[hidden email] writes:

Electrosensibles beware !!

Those sounds are audible, so the frequencies may be between 20 Hz and 20.000
Hz.
So technically, high frequency carrier frequencies cannot be there included,
like 900 MHz or 1800 MHz.
Stiil, electrosensible people may experience trouble while just listening to
these sounds.
The original source is not present, and neither are the Hf carrier
frequencies.

That is the proof of the pudding, that the pulsrates, or modulations, which
are lowfrequent, do the harm to people.







**************Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife. City's Best
2008. (http://citysbest.aol.com?ncid=aolacg00050000000102)


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Hi, Charles (and All),
&nbsp;
Thanks for your explanation.&nbsp; Very interesting, btw!&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;
I agree that going wired is much better than wireless, too, usually, and should have been more clear when I wrote my post.&nbsp; I was trying to communicate (in my difficulty to communicate) that just because something is wired, it doesn't mean it will not affect you.&nbsp; I need to be particularly careful of digital products and products with internal fans whether they are wireless or not&nbsp;(personally--I am sure other people here differ somewhat in what they can tolerate).&nbsp; It is always a good idea for me to buy an appliance or product that can be returned, as new products often vary from the old ones I used to do well with.&nbsp; Trying out a product ahead of time is the only way to know for sure if you will tolerate it, was the gist of what I was trying to relate in my previous email.&nbsp; ;)&nbsp;
&nbsp;
Thanks again for explaning the&nbsp;tv&nbsp;phenomenon, Charles,
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/11/08, charles &lt;[hidden email]&gt; wrote:

From: charles &lt;[hidden email]&gt;
Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello everyone-an introduction/Stewart
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 1:41 PM

I can guarantee you that wired is much better than wireless.

A lot of electrosensibles are succeptable to *dirty power*.

Dirty power is not only in the *mains*, but also *in the air*.

A number of electrical appliances may produce those frequencies.

Especially TV sets do.
They have frequencies for producing the images, but others for digital
images.
So there are very different frequencies used for the image building on
television screens.

Most of them are between 5 kHz and 200 kHz.

I use for detection a VLF Spion with a small digital antenna. With it, I can
measure the total surface of e LCD television,and that way can find any
disturbing spots, for which electrosensibles can have adverse health
reactions.
Some television sets are fine, while others are really a disaster.

Listen to some modulations on:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina109.html

Electrosensibles beware !!

Those sounds are audible, so the frequencies may be between 20 Hz and 20.000
Hz.
So technically, high frequency carrier frequencies cannot be there included,
like 900 MHz or 1800 MHz.
Stiil, electrosensible people may experience trouble while just listening to
these sounds.
The original source is not present, and neither are the Hf carrier
frequencies.

That is the proof of the pudding, that the pulsrates, or modulations, which
are lowfrequent, do the harm to people.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "Evie" &lt;[hidden email]&gt;
To: &lt;[hidden email]&gt;
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2008 6:46 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello everyone-an introduction/Stewart


&gt; Hi, Amy,
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; Sorry the last reply got sent without anything in it!&amp;nbsp;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; I am not totally sure all wired is better than wireless.&amp;nbsp; For me
&gt; personally, I see a diffference between analog and digital
signals.&amp;nbsp;
&gt; This comes into play particularly with the tv sets now.&amp;nbsp; I see a
&gt; difference with "high definition" tv programs&amp;nbsp;playing
on my analog tv
&gt; too.&amp;nbsp; I think what&amp;nbsp;the govt is&amp;nbsp;trying to do is
phase out
&gt; analog transmittions altogether.&amp;nbsp; I now have an analog cordless
&gt; phone--it doesn't bother me at all.&amp;nbsp; But I cannot go near my
&gt; brother's digital&amp;nbsp;phone in his home.&amp;nbsp; Same with tv,
my analog
&gt; set usually doesn't bother me, except when you go into the settings
and
&gt; get the"blue screen".&amp;nbsp; However,&amp;nbsp;when a high
def tv program comes
&gt; on, I get headaches and dizzy.&amp;nbsp; (Followed by turning it
off.)&amp;nbsp;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; I was thinking I'd be ok&amp;nbsp;with a&amp;nbsp;cable
connection&amp;nbsp;with my
&gt; analog/digital set tuned into analog once they do away with analog next
&gt; year, but now I am wondering whether that will work either.&amp;nbsp;
(Since I
&gt; can still react to hi def programs with it set to analog.)&amp;nbsp;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; So much of this is not known until you get into the situation and you just

&gt; have to play around with fixes or get rid of particular things you can
&gt; live without.&amp;nbsp; But do not assume a corded item is better, because
you
&gt; may be like me and react to digital frequencies.&amp;nbsp; You may need to

&gt; experiment some with the electronics of friends to see what you can
&gt; tolerate best.&amp;nbsp; But know that that can also change.&amp;nbsp;
There are
&gt; things I once tolerated well that have now become less tolerable.
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; Also, you mentioned about wi-max towers affecting the out-lying areas of
&gt; the country.&amp;nbsp; That is true.&amp;nbsp; I live in a rural area and
it can
&gt; be bad in much of the mountainous areas.&amp;nbsp; But since you are house

&gt; hunting....&amp;nbsp; If you can, try out either the highest points in
your
&gt; area, where no other mtn ranges are even close.&amp;nbsp; (They position
most
&gt; towers on mtn ranges and position them so the frequencies are somewhat
&gt; pointed down, rather than out--at least that is my experience
here.&amp;nbsp;
&gt; So on mountains some ways away from towers can be quite peaceful,
&gt; es-wise.)&amp;nbsp; OR, if you can find valleys where there are twists and

&gt; turns in the topography--no long straight valley where a tower at either
&gt; end would affect you--that can also sometimes work well as long as there
&gt; are no towers above.&amp;nbsp; In a city setting, many buildings can also
be
&gt; shielding, but then you have to be concerned about what electronics the
&gt; occupants are using.
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; Also there is this site, sent to us by another member here,
which&amp;nbsp;you
&gt; can use to tell where towers are:
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; http://www.antennasearch.com/
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; Good luck,
&gt; Diane
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt;
&gt;
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wrote:
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&gt; From: [hidden email] &amp;lt;[hidden email]&amp;gt;
&gt; Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello everyone-an introduction/Stewart
&gt; To: [hidden email]
&gt; Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 12:55 PM
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt;
&gt; Thanks for all the info you gave. That's one thing I can't see
about
&gt; moving
&gt; to the middle of nowhere. Now they are planning these WIMAX towers, I
&gt; don't
&gt; see why it would even matter. And right now we have a cordless phone, but
&gt; when
&gt; we move I'm changing that. So would you all say that wireless devices
are
&gt; worse than nonwireless?
&gt; Amy
&gt;
&gt; ************ **Vote for your city's best dining and nightlife.
City's Best
&gt; 2008. (http://citysbest. aol.com?ncid= aolacg0005000000 0102)
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Hi, Daraghmq,
&nbsp;
We can!&nbsp; I am not sure anyone in govt. will pay attention to us yet (we may have alot more joining in the cause after&nbsp;more start reacting to the digital signals tho!)&nbsp; The current&nbsp;govt is more interested helping corporations get rich than being concerned for the welfare of it's citizenry, IMHO.&nbsp; Otherwise, we would not likely have had the total shift from analog to digital in the first place.&nbsp; These guys believe in changing now, cleaning up the consequences later.
&nbsp;
Diane

--- On Wed, 6/11/08, daraghmq &lt;[hidden email]&gt; wrote:

From: daraghmq &lt;[hidden email]&gt;
Subject: [eSens] Re: Hello everyone-an introduction/Stewart
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 1:11 PM






For Esens people who can watch a bit of TV on analog signal but who
can't tolerate the digital signal I think that it is unfair for them
[plus a lot of others who can't afford to make the switch] that the
govt is planning to switch off the analog signal - can we campaign
against this?

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Evie &lt;evie15422@. ..&gt; wrote:
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&gt; Hi, Amy,
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; Sorry the last reply got sent without anything in it!&amp;nbsp;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; I am not totally sure all wired is better than wireless.&amp;nbsp; For
me personally, I see a diffference between analog and digital
signals.&amp;nbsp; This comes into play particularly with the tv sets
now.&amp;nbsp; I see a difference with "high definition" tv
programs&amp;nbsp; playing on my analog tv too.&amp;nbsp; I think
what&amp;nbsp;the govt is&amp;nbsp;trying to do is phase out analog
transmittions altogether.&amp; nbsp; I now have an analog cordless phone--
it doesn't bother me at all.&amp;nbsp; But I cannot go near my brother's
digital&amp;nbsp; phone in his home.&amp;nbsp; Same with tv, my analog set
usually doesn't bother me, except when you go into the settings and
get the"blue screen".&amp;nbsp; However,&amp;nbsp; when a high def tv program
comes on, I get headaches and dizzy.&amp;nbsp; (Followed by turning it
off.)&amp;nbsp;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; I was thinking I'd be ok&amp;nbsp;with a&amp;nbsp;cable
connection&amp;nbsp; with my analog/digital set tuned into analog once
they do away with analog next year, but now I am wondering whether
that will work either.&amp;nbsp; (Since I can still react to hi def
programs with it set to analog.)&amp;nbsp;
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; So much of this is not known until you get into the situation and
you just have to play around with fixes or get rid of particular
things you can live without.&amp;nbsp; But do not assume a corded item is
better, because you may be like me and react to digital
frequencies. &amp;nbsp; You may need to experiment some with the
electronics of friends to see what you can tolerate best.&amp;nbsp; But
know that that can also change.&amp;nbsp; There are things I once
tolerated well that have now become less tolerable.
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; Also, you mentioned about wi-max towers affecting the out-lying
areas of the country.&amp;nbsp; That is true.&amp;nbsp; I live in a rural
area and it can be bad in much of the mountainous areas.&amp;nbsp; But
since you are house hunting....&amp; nbsp; If you can, try out either the
highest points in your area, where no other mtn ranges are even
close.&amp;nbsp; (They position most towers on mtn ranges and position
them so the frequencies are somewhat pointed down, rather than out--
at least that is my experience here.&amp;nbsp; So on mountains some ways
away from towers can be quite peaceful, es-wise.)&amp;nbsp; OR, if you
can find valleys where there are twists and turns in the topography--
no long straight valley where a tower at either end would affect you--
that can also sometimes work well as long as there are no towers
above.&amp;nbsp; In a city setting, many buildings can also be shielding,
but then you have to be concerned about what electronics the
occupants are using.
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; Also there is this site, sent to us by another member here,
which&amp;nbsp;you can use to tell where towers are:
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; http://www.antennas earch.com/
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt; Good luck,
&gt; Diane
&gt; &amp;nbsp;
&gt;
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&gt; From: javamdnss@.. . javamdnss@.. .
&gt; Subject: Re: [eSens] Hello everyone-an introduction/ Stewart
&gt; To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
&gt; Date: Tuesday, June 10, 2008, 12:55 PM
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&gt; Thanks for all the info you gave. That's one thing I can't see
about moving
&gt; to the middle of nowhere. Now they are planning these WIMAX towers,
I don't
&gt; see why it would even matter. And right now we have a cordless
phone, but when
&gt; we move I'm changing that. So would you all say that wireless
devices are
&gt; worse than nonwireless?
&gt; Amy
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Sorry to hear of your predicament.
If there is not where else to stay, get very familiar with the fuse
box/ breaker panel. Find out how many switches you can turn off at
night.
Sleep on pillows or cushions and away from anything metal like the box
spring in the mattress.
Get a meter that reads magnetic fields and make sure you are sleeping
in the lowest field possible. Of course, turn off all cell phones,
cordless phones, wireless anything...

If you are anything like me, your nerves have been fried by
chemicals/toxins/bacteria and you need to rebuild their myelin sheath.
Eating good oils (coconut, hemp, raw butter fats) Phosphatidyl Choline,
etc., and rebuilding your gut by drinking colostrum (you can buy
tablets), probiotics, kefir, etc. is essential to protect yourself (gut
and brain) before you do any detoxing.
You will get many good suggestions on supplements and procedures. Take
it slow. There are people here that have gone through what you feel and
have gotten better.
All my best,
andrew

On Jun 11, 2008, at 1:53 PM, Loni Rosser wrote:

> If there is not where else to stay, get very familiar with the fuse
> box/ breaker panel. Find out how many switches you can turn off at
> night.

Will messing with the fusebox help in this case? It sounds like most
of Loni's problematic EMF is coming from outside of her property.

I already suggested the Quantum Home to Loni, at least to try out.
It can be returned for a refund if it doesn't work, and I can think of
several other things worth trying before giving up on EMF protection
devices.

Marc

Turning off the current running 3 inches from her win take off a layer
of EMF. She can't control the outside, but she can control, something,
in her space.
If the power lines are creating a field in her home, no way to shield
that.
The filters (stetzer or otherwise) may help as long as the neutral
wires can handle the increased load otherwise a stronger magnetic field
is kicked up. Only way to know is with a magnetic or gauss meter.
Melatonin will also help with the sleep.
Getting it a dark as possible at night and then bright in the mornings
will help compensate for the decreased melatonin/ pineal function due
to ? EMF, chemicals, fluoride, mercury, blah blah...

This is what has worked with me.
my 2 cents,
Andrew
On Jun 11, 2008, at 9:43 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

Yes I ordered the Quantum Home &amp; am eagerly waiting for it's arrival Marc.
&nbsp;
You are right, My biggest problem is the outside EMF. I have the fridge problem but it is getting moved in to the garage tomorrow am so I can deal with the things I can change.
&nbsp;
It is the stadium lights, street lights, power lines, roof top a/c units behind me (40 or so)
that makes my stress level shoot through the roof &amp; I have to get out of the house. I can't sleep there so it's off to the park where there is no EMF, just coyotes &amp; bob cats &amp; mosquitos. Oh ya , lots of kids partying.
&nbsp;
I have most of the appliances turned off at the breaker box most of the time unless I need to use. The biggest problem is my fridge. It puts out a huge EM Field &amp; is constant.
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I scheduled a consultant EMF to come out Monday night when EMF will be killing me to measure &amp; evaluate my situation. I can't wait for his assessment.
&nbsp;
Loni

--- On Wed, 6/11/08, Marc Martin &lt;[hidden email]&gt; wrote:

From: Marc Martin &lt;[hidden email]&gt;
Subject: Re: [eSens] Hi from Loni/New/Needs Help!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, June 11, 2008, 6:43 PM






&gt; If there is not where else to stay, get very familiar with the fuse
&gt; box/ breaker panel. Find out how many switches you can turn off at
&gt; night.

Will messing with the fusebox help in this case? It sounds like most
of Loni's problematic EMF is coming from outside of her property.

I already suggested the Quantum Home to Loni, at least to try out.
It can be returned for a refund if it doesn't work, and I can think of
several other things worth trying before giving up on EMF protection
devices.

Marc

















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Hi Loni,
from my experience, I would say the power lines are more of a magnetic
problem than the lights. However when I was more sensitive, the mercury
vapor lights at an RV park irritated me enough to prevent restful sleep.
and yes, the trailer was unplugged.

How close are the A/C units?
How close are the power lines?

These are details that would help define the fields there, and hopefully
the consultant can find an area in your home with the Lowest field
strength, without just concluding that location is hopeless, which it
probably is anyways.

Regarding propane fridges, they are, like every other appliance, not all the
same. In the First travel trailer I bought, the fridge was a type with a
compressor, and it made a big magnetic field, even on DC battery power with
propane. It was actually more tolerable plugged into AC.
By the time I got the second trailer a few months later, I knew what to look
for. It had a Norcold ammonia fridge, which was quiet. The appliances were
also farthest from the bedroom in the back, so I didn't need to worry about it
and the batteries bothering me.

Keep us informed,
Stewart

Loni Rosser wrote: