Re: Do you feel wireless?

Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on EMF.  He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems with wireless. I know I have problems with that. Do you?

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I don't but two of my children do.

I'm new to the group not es myself but here for two of my children who
are Type 1 diabetic (both diagnosed in the last 3 years  and only 5
months apart).  I discovered that wireless, high emfs etc. make their
blood sugar go sky high and not respond to insulin.

Michele Q.

On 2/15/2011 9:51 AM, [hidden email] wrote:
> Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on EMF.  He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems with wireless. I know I have problems with that. Do you?
>
> Maureen


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> Last week I went to a seminar put on by Dr. Adiel Tel-Oren from Israel on
> EMF.  He said that only 1% of the 3 to 8 % who have e.s. have problems
> with wireless.

It seems like most people here complain about wireless, so it
would seem like that 1% should be closer to 100%...

Marc

I know that more than being sensitive to electricity I'm sensitive to
microwaves. So actually I have more "microwave sickness" than EMS. And
I'm pretty scared for what the future will bring in this area, with the
whole world going wireless. You can avoid earth pollution, noise, the
big cities and lots of other things. But you just can't escape from
microwaves, as they go through everything. And they are almost
everywhere. You can shield your own home, but that's it.
Considering that microwaves are dangerous to everyone, I wonder why this
doctor thinks only so few people get sick of microwaves? Sounds not very
scientific to me, but more a wild guess.

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--- In [hidden email], Michele Quigley <micheleq@...> wrote: Michelle,
Have you checked you children's thyroid? You can do this at home using the Basal Barnes Temperature Test. Take their temperature before they get out of bed in the morning. If using a dig therm, leave it in for 4 min, and ignore the beeping. Do this temp test for 5-7 days in a row, and average out the temps. So add however many temps you take all up, then divide by however many days you did the test. This will give you an average. If their temperature is UNDER 97.6, this means their thyroid is under-active. Hypo-thyroidism. YOu can google the Barnes Basal Temperture Test. It has been used for over 50 years to check the thryoid. The problem with blood test, besides drawing blood from children, is that mainstream medicine keeps changing the paremeters, so that unless the numbers show rock bottom, they "tell you there's not really a problem". The problem with this, is that if the thyroid in anyone's body is just a TINY bit under-active, it has HUGE consequences for health, as the thryoid controls many many functions in the body. And often, diabetes can be treated the same as hypo-thryoidism- (I'm speaking alternative/natural medicine- not mainstream), with even better results. Although don't expect any mainstream doctor or Endo to tell you this. They aren't trained this way. They are trained to give out meds. To treat, not to cure.
Lizzie
>

I've read about how wireless affects high blood sugar from testimonies at emrpolicy.org: http://www.emrpolicy.org/news/headlines/09_51_emrpi_reply_comment_with_exhibits.pdf

Long ago I wondered about the epidemic of diabetes in places like nyc where there's lots of background microwave radiation from cell towers and all.  Of course, people probably prefer to attribute it to diet instead.

--- In [hidden email], Michele Quigley <micheleq@...> wrote:

Diet is a factor for Type 2 but Type 1 in an autoimmune disease (it's
what they used to call juvenile diabetes) but my husband and I believe
that it is emf induced.  After reading an article about dirty
electricity and a small mention of something called Type 3 diabetes I
had a light bulb moment (pardon the pun).  When my daughter was
diagnosed she wasn't tested for islet cell antibodies (she was critical,
near death so it wasn't something they even thought to check since the
focus was saving her life) but five months later when my son started
showing symptoms they did test him and found he had no antibodies.  Mind
you he has serious blood sugar problems and requires insulin (we have
tried MANY different natural methods but ultimately they need insulin to
control their blood sugar) but he doesn't have typical autoimmune
diabetes as far as we can tell.  His doctor believes he has a different
type and likely my daughter too.  Normally they would test all siblings
for antibodies to see if they may be at risk (we have 10 children) but
because my sons presented with no anti bodies there isn't any point.

They are very electro sensitive.  We had to switch parishes because
something in our old parish (they run wi fi, wireless mikes, and
wireless hearing aids systems) makes their blood sugar go uncontrollably
high.  Until I read that article I could not understand why it was
happening every Sunday and then I realized.  Later I spoke to a few
people there about it and they told me that they have always had a
problem with a high frequency "something" that interferes with sound and
taping (they record mass for the shut ins).  It makes sense to me now
why I always got a headache if I was there too long.

Also, my children got sick not long after UGI installed a smart meter (I
didn't realize what that was at the time.). We moved this past Oct. and
their need for insulin has dropped a good bit.  We are currently renting
and looking for a house that is safer for them.  There are so many
connections I am making since being here in this group!  Our old house
had ants and always stray cats!  It was in a small city that is
currently being wired for internet access.  We now live in a small
suburban are just on the edge of a more rural area but we are finding
that it is difficult to find anything that isn't in some way affected.  
If we find a place that looks good there are high tension power lines,
or a sub station nearby, those sorts of things.  We're still looking but
our resources are limited as well which makes it more difficult.

By the way we have found that when there's a blackout my children's
blood sugar plummets and then returns to normal.  To me that is big
proof but unfortunately we can't live like that or even if we could they
would still be exposed somewhere.  So I read and try to understand as
much as I can but admittedly it's quite overwhelming at times .

Thank you for reading if you've gotten this far.

Michele Q.

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Yes, their thyroid is fine.  They are normal, healthy, active children
but for the fact that their bodies cannot control their blood sugar.  
They ahve always been very healthy, were completely breastfed for the
1st year of life, had only a few immunizations and not until they were
at least 2.  We eat healthily and they are both a good weight (actually
a tad thin but all my children are, it's genetic).  There is NO Type 1
(juvenile) diabetes in our family anywhere.  I am pretty much convinced
that it's electro induced.  Natural methods have not helped them.  I try
pretty much anything I can (within reason) and the only thing that
really helps is keeping them as far away from dirty electricity as possible.

Thank you for asking though --I do appreciate it.

Michele Q.

On 2/15/2011 9:27 PM, Lizzie Thode wrote:
> Michelle,
> Have you checked you children's thyroid? You can do this at home using the Basal Barnes Temperature Test. Take their temperature before they get out of bed in the morning. If using a dig therm, leave it in for 4 min, and ignore the beeping. Do this temp test for 5-7 days in a row, and average out the temps. So add however many temps you take all up, then divide by however many days you did the test. This will give you an average. If their temperature is UNDER 97.6, this means their thyroid is under-active. Hypo-thyroidism. YOu can google the Barnes Basal Temperture Test. It has been used for over 50 years to check the thryoid. The problem with blood test, besides drawing blood from children, is that mainstream medicine keeps changing the paremeters, so that unless the numbers show rock bottom, they "tell you there's not really a problem". The problem with this, is that if the thyroid in anyone's body is just a TINY bit under-active, it has HUGE consequences for health, as the thryoid
>   controls many many functions in the body. And often, diabetes can be treated the same as hypo-thryoidism- (I'm speaking alternative/natural medicine- not mainstream), with even better results. Although don't expect any mainstream doctor or Endo to tell you this. They aren't trained this way. They are trained to give out meds. To treat, not to cure.
> Lizzie


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Hi Michelle,
You sound like a great MOM! And a very wise one.
And I truly sympathize with all you have been thru/and are going thru.
I think you are right, in that dirty ele/high emf's caused this.
I came into this problem via the back door....I spent the first 4 yrs searching for whatever
caused my daughter's thyroid/adrenals to go into stress mode- before I figured out it was the
cell ph/wifi/ and dirty electricity causing it. So in a nutshell, I identified the symptoms and supported
those glands, but took me awhile to identify what was causing it.
 
Because of my intense research into the area of
thyroid/adrenals...I probably saved her from becoming diabetic because I was concentrating on supporting both the thyroid and adrenals.  
(I came very close myself to being diabetic.)
Here is what I found: the adrenals regulate the blood glucose levels. The thryoid and the adrenals
work together, so if one gland goes into stress mode, the other jumps in to help. As for medicine, there is natural, and there  is natural.
And unfortunately, there is a ton of both, and they are not always helpful.
If you want to read more, go to amazon and do a search for Dr. Barry Durrant-Peatfield's book on the Thyroid. I'd give you the name, but the one I have, is the  older version, and when he re-did his book, he changed the title. The book I have is called: The Great Thyroid Scandal and How to Survive It. *In this book, you will find valuable  information on diabetes, the thyroid and the adrenals, and how they work. Five years ago, this information was not out there. There is much written today on adrenal distress. But this book and this Dr. was way ahead of his time.
NOte: I'm not stating that insulin will not be needed, what I am saying is that when these 2 glands are in distress, they need the right kind of support. By using the Barnes Temp test, this gives you an idea of whether their thyroid's are working up to par. IN most cases, where the thryoid is out of balance, the adrenals are also struggling.
Like you, I am a mother who is doing everything  I can do, to help my daughter. And I, like you, know how challenging it is to find safe places, safe environments that dont' set my daughter off. I have friends who are diabetic, who initially poo-pooed my suggestions...I guess it just seemed too "far out for them" at first. But when they finally read that book, and applied Dr. Barry Durrant-Peatfields's information, they were amazed. One woman called me on the phone in tears, saying her glucose levels were hugely improved...she couldn't believe it. She was crying so hard, she scared me! When she calmed down and I could understand what she was saying.....I almost cried with her.
I know people often suggest all kinds of things...and out of desperation, we try them....and are often disappointed. But to date, I haven't met a single person who wasn't helped by properly supporting both the thryoid and the adrenals. And this includes children as well. I have learned that there is a big difference betw mainstream medicine, (conventional) and holistic/alternative/natural. Where mainsteam treats the symptoms, and usually with fluoride filled prescript meds (yes, 90% of prescript and over the counter are made with mostly fluoride) holistic/alternative targets whats causing the problem, and endeavors to give the necessary support AND eliminate what's causing the problem. In our case, as it is an environmental issue, we do the best we can do.
Blessings to you and yours,
Lizzie
 


To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2011 10:17:16 -0500
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Do you feel wireless?


 



Yes, their thyroid is fine. They are normal, healthy, active children
but for the fact that their bodies cannot control their blood sugar.
They ahve always been very healthy, were completely breastfed for the
1st year of life, had only a few immunizations and not until they were
at least 2. We eat healthily and they are both a good weight (actually
a tad thin but all my children are, it's genetic). There is NO Type 1
(juvenile) diabetes in our family anywhere. I am pretty much convinced
that it's electro induced. Natural methods have not helped them. I try
pretty much anything I can (within reason) and the only thing that
really helps is keeping them as far away from dirty electricity as possible.

Thank you for asking though --I do appreciate it.

Michele Q.

On 2/15/2011 9:27 PM, Lizzie Thode wrote:
> Michelle,
> Have you checked you children's thyroid? You can do this at home using the Basal Barnes Temperature Test. Take their temperature before they get out of bed in the morning. If using a dig therm, leave it in for 4 min, and ignore the beeping. Do this temp test for 5-7 days in a row, and average out the temps. So add however many temps you take all up, then divide by however many days you did the test. This will give you an average. If their temperature is UNDER 97.6, this means their thyroid is under-active. Hypo-thyroidism. YOu can google the Barnes Basal Temperture Test. It has been used for over 50 years to check the thryoid. The problem with blood test, besides drawing blood from children, is that mainstream medicine keeps changing the paremeters, so that unless the numbers show rock bottom, they "tell you there's not really a problem". The problem with this, is that if the thyroid in anyone's body is just a TINY bit under-active, it has HUGE consequences for health, as the thryoid
> controls many many functions in the body. And often, diabetes can be treated the same as hypo-thryoidism- (I'm speaking alternative/natural medicine- not mainstream), with even better results. Although don't expect any mainstream doctor or Endo to tell you this. They aren't trained this way. They are trained to give out meds. To treat, not to cure.
> Lizzie

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Hi Rixta!
 
Surely we fall under the 1% of those affected by wireless.  I consider myself to be a part of a sub-group of EHSers who experience cell phones like new age weaponry. I can't be around any cell phone without getting sick now. I cannot feel pleasant while touching one.  I could always feel mine from the beginning.  I got my first one in 2007 and never got to even activate my second. It was a series of events over about an eighteen month period, that led to an understanding that this was "the new normal."
 
They say that about 550 people are members of eSens.  Of that number, only a small consistent sub-group appears to communicate regularly or even multiple times a day.  But these very few people  (are there 20?) speaking the same language are from all over the western world.  Therefore, on a global scale 20 or even 100 would probably seem virtually insignificant compared to the billions who are seemingly benefitting from the microwave revolution.
 
I agree with you completely Rixta. I have what I believe the Russians call microwave sickness.  Although since I've comedown with this I have at times felt much more sensitive to electric and/ormagnetic fields than I ever was, I still suffer most at the hand of the ubiquitous microwaves invading constantly. 
 
I've become acquainted with Arthur Firstenberg. He may well have been the first to be profusely mocked for his willingness to take a verbal, written and legal stand for what he believes to be his human rights.  Sadly, there comes a time to stand up and take responsibility for the quality of one's own life. Silent passivity has never freed or won any rights for anyone ever.  I'm glad he was there to go to and now they've established the Cellular Phone Task  Force because many other EHSers are engaged in fights like smart meters or WIFI specifically.
 
Until we get numbers of people talking or find that there are more high profile sufferers, it may turn out to be a long suffering, lonely battle.  I'm just glad that at this stage, we're here for each other.  Who knows where this is all going?  Things are moving so fast now. 
 
Peace & blessings!
 
 
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From: Rixta Francis <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Do you feel wireless?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, February 15, 2011, 2:51 PM


I know that more than being sensitive to electricity I'm sensitive to
microwaves. So actually I have more "microwave sickness" than EMS. And
I'm pretty scared for what the future will bring in this area, with the
whole world going wireless. You can avoid earth pollution, noise, the
big cities and lots of other things. But you just can't escape from
microwaves, as they go through everything. And they are almost
everywhere. You can shield your own home, but that's it.
Considering that microwaves are dangerous to everyone, I wonder why this
doctor thinks only so few people get sick of microwaves? Sounds not very
scientific to me, but more a wild guess.

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I can feel the wireless.
I have been having symptoms for about 14 years. I did't know what was the cause until I got a flyer from the electric company about emf. I have gotten worse over the years. I think every time another cell tower or antenna get put up I get a little sicker. Just about everything makes me sick these days. I have talked to many people about electrical sensitivity. Just about every one I have talked to has some of the symptoms. One nurse called it her shopping sickness. She gets sick when she goes to the shopping malls. Just about everyone at my church has something wrong with them. The church has a power station on one side and power lines on the other. Wifi in the church. A lot of people are getting breast cancer and other cancers.many having heart attacks. Headaches, and irritable bowel. We have many people with fibromyalgia also. Coincidence I think not.
We must be really sensitive if only 1% of us are sensitive to wireless. I take way better care of myself than most people. Why then am I so sick?
I have fibromyalgia,chronic fatigue, and Electrical sensitivity. Massage helps for about a minute, accupuncture helps for about a minute. A glass of wine at night helps for about a minute. I drink Melatonin tea at night so I can get sleepy. I still wake up all night long. I have a couple of emf jewelry I wear. It doesn't really help. I have a grounding sheet. It doesn't help. I have a safespace, It doesn't help. I have a q-link it doesn't help. I have sent back everything I bought that doesn't work. If they would refund my money.
Maybe we could all pitch in and buy an Island somewhere just for us sensitive people.
:-)
Praying for healing
Linda

--- In [hidden email], pamela clemonts <adiaha22@...> wrote:

> I take way better care of myself than most people. Why then am I so sick?

Linda, what has been your experience with heavy metal detox?  Do you have
any metal in your body?  (including dental fillings)  Have you tried
taking things for heavy metal detox (e.g., alpha lipoic acid), and if so
what was your reaction to it?

Marc

I had my fillings removed, last year. Whenever I do a detox I get really sick. Like I'm going to die. I can take alpha lipoic acid no reaction. I'm drinking ionized water (My real estate agent is giving me. I think I am detoxing with it. I'm feeling sickly all the time. She said it helped her friend that has fibromyalgia. I haven't felt a difference in almost 3 months of drinking it. I had a bunch of blood work done about 3 years ago. It didn't show up any abnormalities. I think they did a heavy metal test. I still think I'm toxic. Test...What are test. They mean nothing to me. What I feel means more to me then what a test says. Sorry my thoughts are choppy.
Linda

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

puk replies - perhaps detox is only a small fraction of the equation, just  
as you start to mobilise toxins you get another load in its place, so you
get  saddled by a double burden,  detox is perhaps only safe if you remove  
yourself from the antagonising factor, in your case EMF, so where to go ?  
perhaps tibet ?
 
 
In a message dated 17/02/2011 21:42:07 GMT Standard Time,  
[hidden email] writes:

had my  fillings removed, last year. Whenever I do a detox I get really
sick. Like I'm  going to die. I can take alpha lipoic acid no reaction. I'm
drinking ionized  water (My real estate agent is giving me. I think I am
detoxing with it. I'm  feeling sickly all the time. She said it helped her friend
that has  fibromyalgia. I haven't felt a difference in almost 3 months of
drinking it. I  had a bunch of blood work done about 3 years ago. It didn't
show up any  abnormalities. I think they did a heavy metal test. I still think
I'm toxic.  Test...What are test. They mean nothing to me. What I feel
means more to me  then what a test says. Sorry my thoughts are  choppy.
Linda




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Hi Linda,
 
I can relate to you. I really do believe avoidance is what we need to do. An island somewhere sounds good to me!  Loni

--- On Thu, 2/17/11, Linda Silva <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Linda Silva <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Do you feel wireless?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 12:28 PM


 



I can feel the wireless.
I have been having symptoms for about 14 years. I did't know what was the cause until I got a flyer from the electric company about emf. I have gotten worse over the years. I think every time another cell tower or antenna get put up I get a little sicker. Just about everything makes me sick these days. I have talked to many people about electrical sensitivity. Just about every one I have talked to has some of the symptoms. One nurse called it her shopping sickness. She gets sick when she goes to the shopping malls. Just about everyone at my church has something wrong with them. The church has a power station on one side and power lines on the other. Wifi in the church. A lot of people are getting breast cancer and other cancers.many having heart attacks. Headaches, and irritable bowel. We have many people with fibromyalgia also. Coincidence I think not.
We must be really sensitive if only 1% of us are sensitive to wireless. I take way better care of myself than most people. Why then am I so sick?
I have fibromyalgia,chronic fatigue, and Electrical sensitivity. Massage helps for about a minute, accupuncture helps for about a minute. A glass of wine at night helps for about a minute. I drink Melatonin tea at night so I can get sleepy. I still wake up all night long. I have a couple of emf jewelry I wear. It doesn't really help. I have a grounding sheet. It doesn't help. I have a safespace, It doesn't help. I have a q-link it doesn't help. I have sent back everything I bought that doesn't work. If they would refund my money.
Maybe we could all pitch in and buy an Island somewhere just for us sensitive people.
:-)
Praying for healing
Linda

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Make sure you're using Andy Cutler's safe dosing of ALA & protocol.

He believes you have to take ALA in rounds of 3 - 4 days around the clock before the 1/2 life expires, believe that's every 3-4 hours.

You have to supplement to support your body during chelation. It takes a a while  get it out.

http://www.noamalgam.com/


There are  yahoo groups of those w experience to guide
 you

 frequent-dose-chelation



Or adult chelation group

Kathy


[hidden email] writes:



had my  fillings removed, last year. Whenever I do a detox I get really

sick. Like I'm  going to die. I can take alpha lipoic acid no reaction. I'm

drinking ionized  water (My real estate agent is giving me. I think I am

detoxing with it. I'm  feeling sickly all the time. She said it helped her friend

that has  fibromyalgia. I haven't felt a difference in almost 3 months of

drinking it. I  had a bunch of blood work done about 3 years ago. It didn't

show up any  abnormalities. I think they did a heavy metal test. I still think

I'm toxic.  Test...What are test. They mean nothing to me. What I feel

means more to me  then what a test says. Sorry my thoughts are  choppy.

Linda



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I have heard that drinking alkaline water isn't necessarily good for us. I read this on Dr. Mercola. I think having a good water purifer is important, even putting filter on the shower head.

Maureen

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Thanks for the info. I will check into it.
Linda

--- In [hidden email], KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:

I agree1

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> Make sure you're using Andy Cutler's safe dosing of ALA & protocol.

Yes, but Linda said that she had no reaction to taking ALA.  That
would indicate to me that ALA may not even be helpful to her.  
The primary purpose for ALA in a heavy metal detox is to remove
mercury from the body, but there could be many other metals
or parasites contributing to ES.

Marc