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SArjuna

Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

Marc wrote:
I suppose that if the Stetzer filters solved 100% of your
> problems, then you could state with some certainty that
> you are reacting only to the frequencies in your household
> wiring. If not, then you have to assume that you are also
> reacting to things outside of your wiring -- electronic
> equipment, wireless transmissions, etc. I would suspect that
> most people here react to things beside their wiring.

Shivani responds:
The first sentence is logical, but not the second.
The higher frequency currents of electrical pollution that are on your
wiring are often present and broadcasting from other things as well, such as
your water pipes, phone lines... The health-damaging high frequency current
is subject to the "skin effect," which means that, unlike 50/60 Hz, it flows
away from the wiring and keeps on flowing, over the surfaces of things not
usually considered "conductive." Hence, just installing Stetzer filters is not
the end of the job you need to do regarding electrical pollution. You need
to find out where else this dirty current may be flowing around your home.
(Note that a Gauss meter is useless for this task. You must be able to
identify high frequency electric fields, specifically. For this task I offer the
Aaronia Multidetektor.)
In other words, the "dirty electricity" brought into your house via the
wiring will continue to give you grief till you find and deal with the
non-wiring places it's hanging out, in addition to installing Stetzer filters.
And of course wireless transmissions may well be a problem too.
Regards,
Shivani Arjuna
Life Energies

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

tayloka_40

Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

Just curious...is there any detection for electromagnetic gases such as hydrogen fluoride?

Or Radon? What about monitoring the household gases. It is not only the electricity
coming into a home that causes symptoms of electromagnetic sensativity.

One of the key indicators of radiation exposure is compromised thyroid. It is interesting if
you look at the chemicals reported in the water that cause thyroid, from the google search
you get hits with fluoride. (CNN announced a chemical contamination of water causing
problems with women's thryroid suspicion surrounding perchlorate). Fluorideis THEE most
electromagnetic element appearing on the periodic table.

I would assume that the EMF from flouride would be applicable to sodium fluoride too.

So is it not possible that would be the toothpaste in the bathroom giving off those
readings...no? Or the water in the kitchen or the sulpherly fluoride sprayed on the dry
foods in your pantry, or the Monsanto engineered grains (Round-Up Ready) "treated".

http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00051658.htm

Just curious.

Karen

--- In [hidden email], SArjuna@... wrote:

>
> Marc wrote:
> I suppose that if the Stetzer filters solved 100% of your
> > problems, then you could state with some certainty that
> > you are reacting only to the frequencies in your household
> > wiring. If not, then you have to assume that you are also
> > reacting to things outside of your wiring -- electronic
> > equipment, wireless transmissions, etc. I would suspect that
> > most people here react to things beside their wiring.
>
> Shivani responds:
> The first sentence is logical, but not the second.
> The higher frequency currents of electrical pollution that are on your
> wiring are often present and broadcasting from other things as well, suchas
> your water pipes, phone lines... The health-damaging high frequency current
> is subject to the "skin effect," which means that, unlike 50/60 Hz, it flows
> away from the wiring and keeps on flowing, over the surfaces of things not
> usually considered "conductive." Hence, just installing Stetzer filters is not
> the end of the job you need to do regarding electrical pollution. You need
> to find out where else this dirty current may be flowing around your home.
> (Note that a Gauss meter is useless for this task. You must be able to
> identify high frequency electric fields, specifically. For this task Ioffer the
> Aaronia Multidetektor.)
> In other words, the "dirty electricity" brought into your house via the
> wiring will continue to give you grief till you find and deal with the
> non-wiring places it's hanging out, in addition to installing Stetzer filters.
> And of course wireless transmissions may well be a problem too.
> Regards,
> Shivani Arjuna
> Life Energies
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

charles-4

Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

Hello,

no, no, no.

Gasses do not emit EMF.
EMF is only there where electricity is involved, or transmitters radiate
waves (which is fairly everywhere).
EMF and chemicals are two different things, and do not have a correlation.

Radon gas is not EMF, which means non-ionising.
But Radon falls under the ionising stuff.
There are special (expensive) meters for measuring Radon.
There are even color-changing test strips available.
Radon is a waste product of radioactivity.

It may come from some building materials, but the bulk is coming from good
old earth.
In the Netherlands it was measured:
from the soil, some 30.000 Bq/m3.
In the crawl space under the floor some 300 Bq/m3 can be found.
In the living rooms above that some 20 Bq/m3, and in the open air some 3
Bq/m3.

There is also a relation with the number of positive air ions.
(We need a lot of negative air ions, but the positive should be as less as
possible.
Therefore we always measure the amount inside and outside the house for
comparison.)

So there is always some Radon gas present.

But you should not care too much about the gasses.

Many symptoms of electrosensibility may come from Candida (albicans).
That is a different chapter and something one should be aware of quite well.

(It is all written on my HP starting at:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html
and following pages.
But most people do not take the trouble in reading that.
They wait till somebody brings it with a spoon.)

There is a simple test to determine if you have Candida:
See: http://www.1stcandidacure.com/candidatest.html

First thing in the morning, before you put ANYTHING in your mouth, fill a
clear glass with room temperature bottled water.Try not to use tap water to
eliminate the possibility of mineral and chemical contamination.

Work up a bit of saliva, then spit it into the glass of water. Check the
water every 15 minutes or so for up to one hour.

If you have candidiasis, you will see strings (like legs) traveling down
into the water from the saliva floating on the top, or "cloudy" saliva will
sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy specks will seem to be suspended
in the water.

And if you have Candida, take proper actions.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "tayloka_40" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 05:31
Subject: [eSens] Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

> Just curious...is there any detection for electromagnetic gases such as
> hydrogen fluoride?
>
> Or Radon? What about monitoring the household gases. It is not only the
> electricity
> coming into a home that causes symptoms of electromagnetic sensativity.
>
> One of the key indicators of radiation exposure is compromised thyroid. It
> is interesting if
> you look at the chemicals reported in the water that cause thyroid, from
> the google search
> you get hits with fluoride. (CNN announced a chemical contamination of
> water causing
> problems with women's thryroid suspicion surrounding perchlorate).
> Fluoride is THEE most
> electromagnetic element appearing on the periodic table.
>
> I would assume that the EMF from flouride would be applicable to sodium
> fluoride too.
>
> So is it not possible that would be the toothpaste in the bathroom giving
> off those
> readings...no? Or the water in the kitchen or the sulpherly fluoride
> sprayed on the dry
> foods in your pantry, or the Monsanto engineered grains (Round-Up Ready)
> "treated".
>
>
> http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00051658.htm
>
> Just curious.
>
> Karen
>

Vinny Pinto

Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

Hi Karen and folks:

from my perspective as an electronics engineer and a scientist, this
reasoning is not at all accurate or correct, and rather, I agree with
the explanation offered by Charles.

with care,
--Vinny

At 04:22 PM 10/11/2006, you wrote:

>"EMF is only there where electricity is involved, or transmitters radiate
> > waves (which is fairly everywhere)."
>
>Charles...this is not correct. In the WebElements periodic table http://
>www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/F/key.html (that is
>for fluorine),
>there are measurable electronic properties that are given for each
>element, along with
>their thermodynamics (for generating heat).
>
>Gas reading instrumentation and testing is done on Electromagentic
>Force. I realize this is
>different than field but ultimately, it correlates directly to the
>electronic output of the gas.
>Gas (and coal for that matter) is made up from elements that hold
>electronic properties.
>Chemical products, especially those for the home and car are also
>made with elements
>that hold electronic properties.
>
>For example, PVDF (polyvinylidene fluoride) shows piezoelectricity
>greater than quartz.
>Would it be dangerous? Only if you are wearing polyester pants,
>scooched across your car
>seat, holding your cell phone, and pumping your gas.
>
>Is a chemical generating radiation harmful....well yes....in large
>quantities. Does chemical
>EMF create a similar physical condition with contamination as a cell
>phone? Yes, and so
>does gas. EMF comes from chemicals, gas, lighting....and just like
>you mentioned, the
>telecommunications proliferation of towers and generators and substations.
>
>Thanks for the information about candida and those links.
>
>Karen
>
>
>
> > EMF and chemicals are two different things, and do not have a correlation.
>
>--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
> >
> > Hello,
> >
> > no, no, no.
> >
> > Gasses do not emit EMF.
> > EMF is only there where electricity is involved, or transmitters radiate
> > waves (which is fairly everywhere).
> > EMF and chemicals are two different things, and do not have a correlation.
> >
> > Radon gas is not EMF, which means non-ionising.
> > But Radon falls under the ionising stuff.
> > There are special (expensive) meters for measuring Radon.
> > There are even color-changing test strips available.
> > Radon is a waste product of radioactivity.
> >
> > It may come from some building materials, but the bulk is coming from good
> > old earth.
> > In the Netherlands it was measured:
> > From the soil, some 30.000 Bq/m3.
> > In the crawl space under the floor some 300 Bq/m3 can be found.
> > In the living rooms above that some 20 Bq/m3, and in the open air some 3
> > Bq/m3.
> >
> > There is also a relation with the number of positive air ions.
> > (We need a lot of negative air ions, but the positive should be as less as
> > possible.
> > Therefore we always measure the amount inside and outside the house for
> > comparison.)
> >
> > So there is always some Radon gas present.
> >
> > But you should not care too much about the gasses.
> >
> > Many symptoms of electrosensibility may come from Candida (albicans).
> > That is a different chapter and something one should be aware of
> quite well.
> >
> > (It is all written on my HP starting at:
> > http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html
> > and following pages.
> > But most people do not take the trouble in reading that.
> > They wait till somebody brings it with a spoon.)
> >
> > There is a simple test to determine if you have Candida:
> > See: http://www.1stcandidacure.com/candidatest.html
> >
> > First thing in the morning, before you put ANYTHING in your mouth, fill a
> > clear glass with room temperature bottled water.Try not to use
> tap water to
> > eliminate the possibility of mineral and chemical contamination.
> >
> > Work up a bit of saliva, then spit it into the glass of water. Check the
> > water every 15 minutes or so for up to one hour.
> >
> > If you have candidiasis, you will see strings (like legs) traveling down
> > into the water from the saliva floating on the top, or "cloudy"
> saliva will
> > sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy specks will seem to be
> suspended
> > in the water.
> >
> > And if you have Candida, take proper actions.
> >
> > Greetings,
> > Charles Claessens
> > member Verband Baubiologie
> > www.milieuziektes.nl
> > www.milieuziektes.be
> > www.hetbitje.nl
> > checked by Norton Antivirus
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "tayloka_40" <tayloka_40@...>
> > To: <[hidden email]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 05:31
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer
> >
> >
> > > Just curious...is there any detection for electromagnetic gases such as
> > > hydrogen fluoride?
> > >
> > > Or Radon? What about monitoring the household gases. It is not only the
> > > electricity
> > > coming into a home that causes symptoms of electromagnetic sensativity.
> > >
> > > One of the key indicators of radiation exposure is compromised
> thyroid. It
> > > is interesting if
> > > you look at the chemicals reported in the water that cause thyroid, from
> > > the google search
> > > you get hits with fluoride. (CNN announced a chemical contamination of
> > > water causing
> > > problems with women's thryroid suspicion surrounding perchlorate).
> > > Fluoride is THEE most
> > > electromagnetic element appearing on the periodic table.
> > >
> > > I would assume that the EMF from flouride would be applicable to sodium
> > > fluoride too.
> > >
> > > So is it not possible that would be the toothpaste in the
> bathroom giving
> > > off those
> > > readings...no? Or the water in the kitchen or the sulpherly fluoride
> > > sprayed on the dry
> > > foods in your pantry, or the Monsanto engineered grains (Round-Up Ready)
> > > "treated".
> > >
> > >
> > > http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00051658.htm
> > >
> > > Just curious.
> > >
> > > Karen
> > >

Vinny Pinto
[hidden email]

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

charles-4

Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

In reply to this post by SArjuna

Hello Karen, you are comparing a microbe with an elephant.

Everything has of course electronic properties, but the amount of it differs
enormously.

People are frightened by underground waterbeams, because people with a
divining rod make many people frightened.
But the fields from those are minimal compared with the enormous and quite
good measurable static magnetic fields on metal parts in beds.
There are even people who place magnets under metal spring mattresses. The
fools.

So, you should not worry about the gasses regarding electronic fields.
The chemicals incorporated are quite a different chapter, and these are to
be regarded closely.
Fluor is a nasty poisonous chemical.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "tayloka_40" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 22:22
Subject: [eSens] Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer

> "EMF is only there where electricity is involved, or transmitters radiate
>> waves (which is fairly everywhere)."
>
> Charles...this is not correct. In the WebElements periodic table http://
> www.webelements.com/webelements/elements/text/F/key.html (that is for
> fluorine),
> there are measurable electronic properties that are given for each
> element, along with
> their thermodynamics (for generating heat).
>
> Gas reading instrumentation and testing is done on Electromagentic Force.
> I realize this is
> different than field but ultimately, it correlates directly to the
> electronic output of the gas.
> Gas (and coal for that matter) is made up from elements that hold
> electronic properties.
> Chemical products, especially those for the home and car are also made
> with elements
> that hold electronic properties.
>
> For example, PVDF (polyvinylidene fluoride) shows piezoelectricity greater
> than quartz.
> Would it be dangerous? Only if you are wearing polyester pants, scooched
> across your car
> seat, holding your cell phone, and pumping your gas.
>
> Is a chemical generating radiation harmful....well yes....in large
> quantities. Does chemical
> EMF create a similar physical condition with contamination as a cell
> phone? Yes, and so
> does gas. EMF comes from chemicals, gas, lighting....and just like you
> mentioned, the
> telecommunications proliferation of towers and generators and substations.
>
> Thanks for the information about candida and those links.
>
> Karen
>
>
>
>> EMF and chemicals are two different things, and do not have a
>> correlation.
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hello,
>>
>> no, no, no.
>>
>> Gasses do not emit EMF.
>> EMF is only there where electricity is involved, or transmitters radiate
>> waves (which is fairly everywhere).
>> EMF and chemicals are two different things, and do not have a
>> correlation.
>>
>> Radon gas is not EMF, which means non-ionising.
>> But Radon falls under the ionising stuff.
>> There are special (expensive) meters for measuring Radon.
>> There are even color-changing test strips available.
>> Radon is a waste product of radioactivity.
>>
>> It may come from some building materials, but the bulk is coming from
>> good
>> old earth.
>> In the Netherlands it was measured:
>> From the soil, some 30.000 Bq/m3.
>> In the crawl space under the floor some 300 Bq/m3 can be found.
>> In the living rooms above that some 20 Bq/m3, and in the open air some 3
>> Bq/m3.
>>
>> There is also a relation with the number of positive air ions.
>> (We need a lot of negative air ions, but the positive should be as less
>> as
>> possible.
>> Therefore we always measure the amount inside and outside the house for
>> comparison.)
>>
>> So there is always some Radon gas present.
>>
>> But you should not care too much about the gasses.
>>
>> Many symptoms of electrosensibility may come from Candida (albicans).
>> That is a different chapter and something one should be aware of quite
>> well.
>>
>> (It is all written on my HP starting at:
>> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html
>> and following pages.
>> But most people do not take the trouble in reading that.
>> They wait till somebody brings it with a spoon.)
>>
>> There is a simple test to determine if you have Candida:
>> See: http://www.1stcandidacure.com/candidatest.html
>>
>> First thing in the morning, before you put ANYTHING in your mouth, fill a
>> clear glass with room temperature bottled water.Try not to use tap water
>> to
>> eliminate the possibility of mineral and chemical contamination.
>>
>> Work up a bit of saliva, then spit it into the glass of water. Check the
>> water every 15 minutes or so for up to one hour.
>>
>> If you have candidiasis, you will see strings (like legs) traveling down
>> into the water from the saliva floating on the top, or "cloudy" saliva
>> will
>> sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy specks will seem to be
>> suspended
>> in the water.
>>
>> And if you have Candida, take proper actions.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Norton Antivirus
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "tayloka_40" <tayloka_40@...>
>> To: <[hidden email]>
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 11, 2006 05:31
>> Subject: [eSens] Re: BioProtect card, Quantum Pro and Stetzer
>>
>>
>> > Just curious...is there any detection for electromagnetic gases such as
>> > hydrogen fluoride?
>> >
>> > Or Radon? What about monitoring the household gases. It is not only the
>> > electricity
>> > coming into a home that causes symptoms of electromagnetic sensativity.
>> >
>> > One of the key indicators of radiation exposure is compromised thyroid.
>> > It
>> > is interesting if
>> > you look at the chemicals reported in the water that cause thyroid,
>> > from
>> > the google search
>> > you get hits with fluoride. (CNN announced a chemical contamination of
>> > water causing
>> > problems with women's thryroid suspicion surrounding perchlorate).
>> > Fluoride is THEE most
>> > electromagnetic element appearing on the periodic table.
>> >
>> > I would assume that the EMF from flouride would be applicable to sodium
>> > fluoride too.
>> >
>> > So is it not possible that would be the toothpaste in the bathroom
>> > giving
>> > off those
>> > readings...no? Or the water in the kitchen or the sulpherly fluoride
>> > sprayed on the dry
>> > foods in your pantry, or the Monsanto engineered grains (Round-Up
>> > Ready)
>> > "treated".
>> >
>> >
>> > http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00051658.htm
>> >
>> > Just curious.
>> >
>> > Karen
>> >
>>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

eleccentric

Re: Candida

In reply to this post by charles-4

Charles, Interesting Info! Thanks! I had suggested for years to Dr's
that could I possibly have internal candida (d/t episodic severe
abdominal pain) and they all responded that this wasn't possible.
Well! Upon recognizing my ES last May, 2005, I went to Environmental
Health Clinic, Dallas, TX (Dr. William Rae) end of June 2005 and was
told that this, in fact, was present! I will check out the
additional info you have provided. Thanks again for contributing to
awareness! I wish traditional MD's could afford the time to become
enlightened (to ES, ill-effects of 50/60Hz, ELF, VLF, micro and radio
waves and to the value of nutritional supplements, herbal remedies,
etc...) As I grow more aware of issues of consideration to ES, I, at
times, feel overwhelmed, primarily due to my limited knowledge of EMF
spectrum, technicalities of EMF generation/transmission/fq vs. power
intensity, body chemistry/biology, alternative medicines/approaches,
etc.. Thanks, again! Christine

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
> Many symptoms of electrosensibility may come from Candida
(albicans).
> That is a different chapter and something one should be aware of
quite well.

>
> (It is all written on my HP starting at:
> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html
> and following pages.
> But most people do not take the trouble in reading that.
> They wait till somebody brings it with a spoon.)
>
> There is a simple test to determine if you have Candida:
> See: http://www.1stcandidacure.com/candidatest.html
>
> First thing in the morning, before you put ANYTHING in your mouth,

fill a
> clear glass with room temperature bottled water.Try not to use tap
water to
> eliminate the possibility of mineral and chemical contamination.
>
> Work up a bit of saliva, then spit it into the glass of water.
Check the
> water every 15 minutes or so for up to one hour.
>
> If you have candidiasis, you will see strings (like legs) traveling
down
> into the water from the saliva floating on the top, or "cloudy"
saliva will
> sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy specks will seem to be
suspended

> in the water.
>
> And if you have Candida, take proper actions.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton Antivirus
>
> >

eleccentric

Re:EMF/Chemicals

In reply to this post by charles-4

> >Somewhere, sombody wrote:> >> EMF and chemicals are two different
things, and do not have a
> >> correlation.

Chemicals do have frequency 'signatures' (see 'files' 23rd Annual
International Symposium on Man & His Environment by Cyril Smith) which
are "entrained by a person's endogenous frequency" given sufficient
exposure. Smith states, "a chemical frequency signature locks up that
particular frequency within the affected part of the living system and
prevents normal fluctuations in response to the demands of metabolism
or the environment at that frequency." Dr. William Rae also cites in
medical studies frequent coincidence of chemical sensitivity with ES.
So, yes, chemicals and EMF ARE two different things yet they have in
common frequencies which may potentially be correlates. Either one
triggering the other resulting in ES/ChemS.

Accept my apology if I have taken the above statement out of context or
am stating to you the known or obvious. - Christine
> >

Vinny Pinto

Re: Re:EMF/Chemicals

Hi Christine:

To answer briefly from my own perspective: yes, all of matter, and
even all of free space, and of course, all living systems, are
electromagnetic in nature, and yes, elements do have signatures if
tested in certain ways, but it still inaccurate to state that they
are significant emitters of EMF energies!

with care,
--Vinny

At 11:05 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote:

> > >Somewhere, sombody wrote:> >> EMF and chemicals are two different
>things, and do not have a
> > >> correlation.
>
>Chemicals do have frequency 'signatures' (see 'files' 23rd Annual
>International Symposium on Man & His Environment by Cyril Smith) which
>are "entrained by a person's endogenous frequency" given sufficient
>exposure. Smith states, "a chemical frequency signature locks up that
>particular frequency within the affected part of the living system and
>prevents normal fluctuations in response to the demands of metabolism
>or the environment at that frequency." Dr. William Rae also cites in
>medical studies frequent coincidence of chemical sensitivity with ES.
>So, yes, chemicals and EMF ARE two different things yet they have in
>common frequencies which may potentially be correlates. Either one
>triggering the other resulting in ES/ChemS.
>
>Accept my apology if I have taken the above statement out of context or
>am stating to you the known or obvious. - Christine
> > >
>
>

Vinny Pinto
[hidden email]

phone 301-694-1249

To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go to:
http://www.vinnypinto.us

eleccentric

Re:EMF/Chemicals

A genuine thanks!There is so much to learn!
Humbly trying to go about it with some degree of enthusiasm, Christine
--- In [hidden email], Vinny Pinto <vinny@...> wrote:

>
> Hi Christine:
>
> To answer briefly from my own perspective: yes, all of matter, and
> even all of free space, and of course, all living systems, are
> electromagnetic in nature, and yes, elements do have signatures if
> tested in certain ways, but it still inaccurate to state that they
> are significant emitters of EMF energies!
>
> with care,
> --Vinny
>
> At 11:05 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote:
> > > >Somewhere, sombody wrote:> >> EMF and chemicals are two

different
> >things, and do not have a
> > > >> correlation.
> >
> >Chemicals do have frequency 'signatures' (see 'files' 23rd Annual
> >International Symposium on Man & His Environment by Cyril Smith)
which
> >are "entrained by a person's endogenous frequency" given sufficient
> >exposure. Smith states, "a chemical frequency signature locks up
that
> >particular frequency within the affected part of the living system
and
> >prevents normal fluctuations in response to the demands of
metabolism
> >or the environment at that frequency." Dr. William Rae also cites
in
> >medical studies frequent coincidence of chemical sensitivity with
ES.
> >So, yes, chemicals and EMF ARE two different things yet they have
in
> >common frequencies which may potentially be correlates. Either one
> >triggering the other resulting in ES/ChemS.
> >
> >Accept my apology if I have taken the above statement out of
context or

> >am stating to you the known or obvious. - Christine
> > > >
> >
> >
>
>
> Vinny Pinto
> vinny@...
>
> phone 301-694-1249
>
> To see my informational websites and e-mail list groups, please go

to:
> http://www.vinnypinto.us
>

charles-4

Re: Candida

In reply to this post by eleccentric

Hello Christine,

as a building biologist I used those agars.
It consists of a special *growing ground*, especialle for fungus types.
One may take samples from bathrooms, etc.
I let people spit in it, and let the agars do their work over several days.
If the *vegetables* were nice blue bubbles, it is a sing of candida.
Other colors and shapes give an indication of other species.
At that time I had no microscope, so I could not check them.

But this spitting test in water works very instantly.

Of course I found the Candida by myself.

Three sessions on my bioresonance machine, and it is gone.
No strings going down in the water jar.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "eleccentric" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 16:05
Subject: [eSens] Re: Candida

> Charles, Interesting Info! Thanks! I had suggested for years to Dr's
> that could I possibly have internal candida (d/t episodic severe
> abdominal pain) and they all responded that this wasn't possible.
> Well! Upon recognizing my ES last May, 2005, I went to Environmental
> Health Clinic, Dallas, TX (Dr. William Rae) end of June 2005 and was
> told that this, in fact, was present! I will check out the
> additional info you have provided. Thanks again for contributing to
> awareness! I wish traditional MD's could afford the time to become
> enlightened (to ES, ill-effects of 50/60Hz, ELF, VLF, micro and radio
> waves and to the value of nutritional supplements, herbal remedies,
> etc...) As I grow more aware of issues of consideration to ES, I, at
> times, feel overwhelmed, primarily due to my limited knowledge of EMF
> spectrum, technicalities of EMF generation/transmission/fq vs. power
> intensity, body chemistry/biology, alternative medicines/approaches,
> etc.. Thanks, again! Christine
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>> Many symptoms of electrosensibility may come from Candida
> (albicans).
>> That is a different chapter and something one should be aware of
> quite well.
>>
>> (It is all written on my HP starting at:
>> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html
>> and following pages.
>> But most people do not take the trouble in reading that.
>> They wait till somebody brings it with a spoon.)
>>
>> There is a simple test to determine if you have Candida:
>> See: http://www.1stcandidacure.com/candidatest.html
>>
>> First thing in the morning, before you put ANYTHING in your mouth,
> fill a
>> clear glass with room temperature bottled water.Try not to use tap
> water to
>> eliminate the possibility of mineral and chemical contamination.
>>
>> Work up a bit of saliva, then spit it into the glass of water.
> Check the
>> water every 15 minutes or so for up to one hour.
>>
>> If you have candidiasis, you will see strings (like legs) traveling
> down
>> into the water from the saliva floating on the top, or "cloudy"
> saliva will
>> sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy specks will seem to be
> suspended
>> in the water.
>>
>> And if you have Candida, take proper actions.
>>
>> Greetings,
>> Charles Claessens
>> member Verband Baubiologie
>> www.milieuziektes.nl
>> www.milieuziektes.be
>> www.hetbitje.nl
>> checked by Norton Antivirus
>>
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Andrew McAfee

Environmental Health Clinic in Texas

In reply to this post by eleccentric

I have thought about going to that clinic. I would like to hear about
your experiences there.
thanks,
Andrew
On Oct 12, 2006, at 10:05 AM, eleccentric wrote:

snoshoe_2

Re:EMF/Chemicals

In reply to this post by Vinny Pinto

Yes Christine,

You are right, as I, Tayloka, and some others have covered this whole
thing a few months back on here. Remember the cake batter?

Radon is radioactive, and does have it's own emf, as does radium,
fluorine, and everything else in existence.

One person's grain of sand is another's elephant, or anaphylactic
reaction. I wish everyone here would get that. If you're ES, YOU,
have that elephant, that appears as a grain of sand to the majority
of the world, so who is anyone here to keep poo-pooing others for the
same thing?

Everything is electric, if it wasn't, there'd be no life. A good
book is "The Body Electric". Or how about just basic chemistry and
physics, where they teach this stuff in high school now?

Vinny, you can quit trying to impress yourself in front of everyone.
There's many engineers, electrical, biological, healers, alternative
practitioners on this site, so, I'm sure at least some of them, like
myself are not impressed with your continual speels, cutting others
down, and obvious desire to sell your products.

That's a great test for the candida Charles. - I don't want the wheel
reinvented, I just want to carry one wheel, instead of three. :)

I tried a 6v flashlight battery on top of the fridge, and Wow! It was
rather energizing for the 1st two days, so that I took it off at
night the first time.

It feels as though the coils on top cause the energy to go up and
out. I didn't like it on the pc. It felt as though the energy wasn't
being released high enough away, and was bothersome. I think again,
because the coils were transforming the energy in a way the D's
don't, which I stil have on my pc.

The pascalite, like some other clays, absorb radiation, that's why
some people find it beneficial to place in front of their pcs.

~ Snoshoe (I'm not the person, someone asked if I was another
member, not sure which that was.)

--- In [hidden email], Vinny Pinto <vinny@...> wrote:

eleccentric

Re: Environmental Health Clinic in Texas

In reply to this post by Andrew McAfee

Andrew, I will be glad to share my experience @ EHC dallas with you
and others. I will post this soon. Christine

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:
>
> I have thought about going to that clinic. I would like to hear
about
> your experiences there.
> thanks,
> Andrew
> On Oct 12, 2006, at 10:05 AM, eleccentric wrote:
>
> > Charles, Interesting Info! Thanks! I had suggested for years to
Dr's
> > that could I possibly have internal candida (d/t episodic severe
> > abdominal pain) and they all responded that this wasn't possible.
> > Well! Upon recognizing my ES last May, 2005, I went to
Environmental
> > Health Clinic, Dallas, TX (Dr. William Rae) end of June 2005 and
was
> > told that this, in fact, was present! I will check out the
> > additional info you have provided. Thanks again for contributing
to
> > awareness! I wish traditional MD's could afford the time to
become
> > enlightened (to ES, ill-effects of 50/60Hz, ELF, VLF, micro and
radio
> > waves and to the value of nutritional supplements, herbal
remedies,
> > etc...) As I grow more aware of issues of consideration to ES, I,
at
> > times, feel overwhelmed, primarily due to my limited knowledge of
EMF
> > spectrum, technicalities of EMF generation/transmission/fq vs.
power
> > intensity, body chemistry/biology, alternative
medicines/approaches,

> > etc.. Thanks, again! Christine
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@> wrote:
> >> Many symptoms of electrosensibility may come from Candida
> > (albicans).
> >> That is a different chapter and something one should be aware of
> > quite well.
> >>
> >> (It is all written on my HP starting at:
> >> http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina100.html
> >> and following pages.
> >> But most people do not take the trouble in reading that.
> >> They wait till somebody brings it with a spoon.)
> >>
> >> There is a simple test to determine if you have Candida:
> >> See: http://www.1stcandidacure.com/candidatest.html
> >>
> >> First thing in the morning, before you put ANYTHING in your

mouth,
> > fill a
> >> clear glass with room temperature bottled water.Try not to use
tap
> > water to
> >> eliminate the possibility of mineral and chemical contamination.
> >>
> >> Work up a bit of saliva, then spit it into the glass of water.
> > Check the
> >> water every 15 minutes or so for up to one hour.
> >>
> >> If you have candidiasis, you will see strings (like legs)
traveling

> > down
> >> into the water from the saliva floating on the top, or "cloudy"
> > saliva will
> >> sink to the bottom of the glass, or cloudy specks will seem to be
> > suspended
> >> in the water.
> >>
> >> And if you have Candida, take proper actions.
> >>
> >> Greetings,
> >> Charles Claessens
> >> member Verband Baubiologie
> >> www.milieuziektes.nl
> >> www.milieuziektes.be
> >> www.hetbitje.nl
> >> checked by Norton Antivirus
> >>
> >>>
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

eleccentric

Re:EMF/Chemicals

In reply to this post by snoshoe_2

Snoshoe, Thank you for putting EMF back in perspective for us
sensitives! Christine

--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <nonengbunny@...> wrote:

> One person's grain of sand is another's elephant, or anaphylactic
> reaction. I wish everyone here would get that. If you're ES, YOU,
> have that elephant, that appears as a grain of sand to the majority
> of the world,>
> --- In [hidden email], Vinny Pinto <vinny@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Christine:
> >
> > To answer briefly from my own perspective: yes, all of matter,
and
> > even all of free space, and of course, all living systems, are
> > electromagnetic in nature, and yes, elements do have signatures
if
> > tested in certain ways, but it still inaccurate to state that
they

> > are significant emitters of EMF energies!
> >
> > with care,
> > --Vinny
> >
> > At 11:05 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote:
> > > > >Somewhere, sombody wrote:> >> EMF and chemicals are two
> different
> > >things, and do not have a
> > > > >> correlation.
> > >
> > >Chemicals do have frequency 'signatures' (see 'files' 23rd Annual
> > >International Symposium on Man & His Environment by Cyril Smith)
> which
> > >are "entrained by a person's endogenous frequency" given

sufficient
> > >exposure. Smith states, "a chemical frequency signature locks
up
> that
> > >particular frequency within the affected part of the living
system
> and
> > >prevents normal fluctuations in response to the demands of
> metabolism
> > >or the environment at that frequency." Dr. William Rae also
cites
> in
> > >medical studies frequent coincidence of chemical sensitivity
with
> ES.
> > >So, yes, chemicals and EMF ARE two different things yet they
have
> in
> > >common frequencies which may potentially be correlates. Either
one
> > >triggering the other resulting in ES/ChemS.
> > >
> > >Accept my apology if I have taken the above statement out of
> context or
> > >am stating to you the known or obvious. - Christine
> > > > >
> > >
> > >
>

snoshoe_2

Re: Environmental Health Clinic in Texas

In reply to this post by Andrew McAfee

I've heard it is really a helpful place for many, I'd like to hear
too, when you can.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:
>
> I have thought about going to that clinic. I would like to hear
about
> your experiences there.
> thanks,
> Andrew
> On Oct 12, 2006, at 10:05 AM, eleccentric wrote:
>
> > Charles, Interesting Info! Thanks! I had suggested for years to
Dr's
> > that could I possibly have internal candida (d/t episodic severe
> > abdominal pain) and they all responded that this wasn't possible.
> > Well! Upon recognizing my ES last May, 2005, I went to
Environmental
> > Health Clinic, Dallas, TX (Dr. William Rae) end of June 2005 and
was
> > told that this, in fact, was present! I will check out the
> > additional info you have provided. Thanks again for contributing
to
> > awareness! I wish traditional MD's could afford the time to
become
> > enlightened (to ES, ill-effects of 50/60Hz, ELF, VLF, micro and
radio
> > waves and to the value of nutritional supplements, herbal
remedies,
> > etc...) As I grow more aware of issues of consideration to ES, I,
at
> > times, feel overwhelmed, primarily due to my limited knowledge of
EMF
> > spectrum, technicalities of EMF generation/transmission/fq vs.
power
> > intensity, body chemistry/biology, alternative
medicines/approaches,

Marc Martin

Re: Re:EMF/Chemicals

Administrator

In reply to this post by snoshoe_2

> You are right, as I, Tayloka, and some others have covered this whole
> thing a few months back on here. Remember the cake batter?
>
> Radon is radioactive, and does have it's own emf, as does radium,
> fluorine, and everything else in existence.

Yes, we did cover this a few months back -- and as I recall, it
got pretty ugly. It may be that I'll have to ban this topic just
to keep things civil...

And again, the definition of "electrically sensitive" as it
pertains to this list relates to sensitivity to items which
are powered by electricity (including batteries). Reactions
to poisonous chemicals is not ES.

Marc

charles-4

Re: Re:EMF/Chemicals

In reply to this post by snoshoe_2

Hello Snoshoe,

I am sorry, but you are unfair to Vinny.
I agree with his remarks.

But Elektrosmog is not Elektrosmog.

You proved that yourself.

The battery on you fridge works different than on the monitor.

The reason is, that the fridge emits only electrical and magnetic AC fileds
of 50/60 Hz.

The monitor however gives weaker electrical and weaker magnetic AC fields,
because they have to fullfil the TCO norms, bur they radiate high
frequencies, mostly in the VLF range around 30 kHz.
And those are harmfull for electrosensibles.

So you perceived the difference between two different sorts of elektrosmog.

But again, I do know how EHS people may react to very low radiation levels
of elektrosmog, but the electronic levels of chemicals are too low to
perceive.
Chemicals may give smells, and then we come to the chapter of MCS, multiple
chemical sensitivity.

Satellites do emit also EMF, and their signals are much stronger than those
of chemicals, but hardly anybody *feels* them.

One must look at this in the right perspective.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "snoshoe_2" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, October 13, 2006 06:19
Subject: [eSens] Re:EMF/Chemicals

> Yes Christine,
>
> You are right, as I, Tayloka, and some others have covered this whole
> thing a few months back on here. Remember the cake batter?
>
> Radon is radioactive, and does have it's own emf, as does radium,
> fluorine, and everything else in existence.
>
> One person's grain of sand is another's elephant, or anaphylactic
> reaction. I wish everyone here would get that. If you're ES, YOU,
> have that elephant, that appears as a grain of sand to the majority
> of the world, so who is anyone here to keep poo-pooing others for the
> same thing?
>
> Everything is electric, if it wasn't, there'd be no life. A good
> book is "The Body Electric". Or how about just basic chemistry and
> physics, where they teach this stuff in high school now?
>
> Vinny, you can quit trying to impress yourself in front of everyone.
> There's many engineers, electrical, biological, healers, alternative
> practitioners on this site, so, I'm sure at least some of them, like
> myself are not impressed with your continual speels, cutting others
> down, and obvious desire to sell your products.
>
> That's a great test for the candida Charles. - I don't want the wheel
> reinvented, I just want to carry one wheel, instead of three. :)
>
> I tried a 6v flashlight battery on top of the fridge, and Wow! It was
> rather energizing for the 1st two days, so that I took it off at
> night the first time.
>
> It feels as though the coils on top cause the energy to go up and
> out. I didn't like it on the pc. It felt as though the energy wasn't
> being released high enough away, and was bothersome. I think again,
> because the coils were transforming the energy in a way the D's
> don't, which I stil have on my pc.
>
> The pascalite, like some other clays, absorb radiation, that's why
> some people find it beneficial to place in front of their pcs.
>
> ~ Snoshoe (I'm not the person, someone asked if I was another
> member, not sure which that was.)
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Vinny Pinto <vinny@...> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Christine:
>>
>> To answer briefly from my own perspective: yes, all of matter, and
>> even all of free space, and of course, all living systems, are
>> electromagnetic in nature, and yes, elements do have signatures if
>> tested in certain ways, but it still inaccurate to state that they
>> are significant emitters of EMF energies!
>>
>> with care,
>> --Vinny
>>
>> At 11:05 AM 10/12/2006, you wrote:
>> > > >Somewhere, sombody wrote:> >> EMF and chemicals are two
> different
>> >things, and do not have a
>> > > >> correlation.
>> >
>> >Chemicals do have frequency 'signatures' (see 'files' 23rd Annual
>> >International Symposium on Man & His Environment by Cyril Smith)
> which
>> >are "entrained by a person's endogenous frequency" given sufficient
>> >exposure. Smith states, "a chemical frequency signature locks up
> that
>> >particular frequency within the affected part of the living system
> and
>> >prevents normal fluctuations in response to the demands of
> metabolism
>> >or the environment at that frequency." Dr. William Rae also cites
> in
>> >medical studies frequent coincidence of chemical sensitivity with
> ES.
>> >So, yes, chemicals and EMF ARE two different things yet they have
> in
>> >common frequencies which may potentially be correlates. Either one
>> >triggering the other resulting in ES/ChemS.
>> >
>> >Accept my apology if I have taken the above statement out of
> context or
>> >am stating to you the known or obvious. - Christine
>> > > >
>> >
>> >
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>

Marc Martin

Re: Re:EMF/Chemicals

Administrator

In reply to this post by snoshoe_2

> Vinny, you can quit trying to impress yourself in front of everyone.
> There's many engineers, electrical, biological, healers, alternative
> practitioners on this site, so, I'm sure at least some of them, like
> myself are not impressed with your continual speels, cutting others
> down, and obvious desire to sell your products.

Hmmm, it appears that you are the one who is doing the cutting down
of others... :-(

Vinny certainly has expertise in the areas of EMF remediation that
a typical engineer, healer, or alternative practitioner wouldn't
have, so I'm glad to have him sharing this information here.
Although I wouldn't blame him for leaving with messages like
that! (it seems rather typical -- the ill often chase away
the people who could help them)

Also, I don't know where you get the idea that Vinny has an "obvious
desire" to sell you his products. In fact, he seems to be quite
the opposite, refusing to sell his products to people who may
have unrealistic expectations. And I find his descriptions of
how they work to be interesting and relevant (especially as I
experiment with one of them).

So please attempt to be polite to your fellow list members...
otherwise, you may find yourself no longer subscribed to
the list.

Marc

snoshoe_2

Re:EMF/Chemicals

In reply to this post by charles-4

Hi Charles,

Too low for many to perceive, not all, and who knows what the animals
perceive on that level. I'm sure a whole lot more than most of us.
Right perspective yes, but just like the subtle diffeneces in the
strength of the batteries for fridge, vs. pc, that is subtle, and
most people don't you think will say that is imperceptible too?

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:

>
> Hello Snoshoe,
>
> I am sorry, but you are unfair to Vinny.
> I agree with his remarks.
>
> But Elektrosmog is not Elektrosmog.
>
> You proved that yourself.
>
> The battery on you fridge works different than on the monitor.
>
> The reason is, that the fridge emits only electrical and magnetic

AC fileds
> of 50/60 Hz.
>
> The monitor however gives weaker electrical and weaker magnetic AC
fields,
> because they have to fullfil the TCO norms, bur they radiate high
> frequencies, mostly in the VLF range around 30 kHz.
> And those are harmfull for electrosensibles.
>
> So you perceived the difference between two different sorts of
elektrosmog.
>
> But again, I do know how EHS people may react to very low radiation
levels
> of elektrosmog, but the electronic levels of chemicals are too low
to
> perceive.
> Chemicals may give smells, and then we come to the chapter of MCS,
multiple
> chemical sensitivity.
>
> Satellites do emit also EMF, and their signals are much stronger
than those
> of chemicals, but hardly anybody *feels* them.
>
> One must look at this in the right perspective.

Phyllicia Hutchinson

Re: Candida

In reply to this post by charles-4

Charles,

I want to know more about your bioresonance machine.
Phyllicia

charles <[hidden email]> wrote: Hello Christine,

But this spitting test in water works very instantly.

Of course I found the Candida by myself.

Three sessions on my bioresonance machine, and it is gone.
No strings going down in the water jar.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton Antivirus

----- Original Message -----
From: "eleccentric" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, October 12, 2006 16:05
Subject: [eSens] Re: Candida

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