RF Shielding Paint from Europe

 
Anyone used or know anything about this shielding paint that has silver in it from Europe. It is 60 db and sounds good.  Want to try it to cut down exposure.
 
Loni

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Hi Loni,

I've painted my whole bedroom using the blockpaint http://shop.wireless-protection.org/rf-screening-paint-carbon---blocpaint-191-p.asp from the uk. Painted all walls and ceiling, and covered the floor with alluiminium insulation foil.  

Quite honestly I feel worse in there now than I did before! All I can think of is that the wifi etc is creeping in through gaps, like the doorway and small cracks...and then bouncing around inside the room.  I would suggest that unless you can make your room completely sealed off, then don't even condsider it.  I wish I hadn't bothered now, and am contemplating removing the shielded paint from at least 2 of the walls to allow the waves to pass through the room freely.  I sleep under a naturell bed canopy, so I don't feel too bad when I am under that at least...

While I am here, does anyone have any experience of removing the paint? Or maybe making the situation better without doing anything too drastic?

Paul

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I've painted my whole bedroom using the blockpaint http://shop.wireless-protection.org/rf-screening-paint-carbon---blocpaint-191-p.asp from the uk. Painted all walls and ceiling, and covered the floor with alluiminium insulation foil.  




Quite honestly I feel worse in there now than I did before


Paul,

Do you have any electrical devices in the bedroom?  Lamps, radios, TV, Power box, etc.  Also, wires running inside the walls or floors might theoretically be emiting EMF if the paint and foil are not grounded properly?  Yes, any microwaves or EMF getting into the bedroom through cracks will bounce around.  It is tough to figure out what is going on. but why don't you try leaving the paint on the walls and ceiling and take the foil up off the floor and see if the room can breathe better. If there are any windows in the bedroom, are they sealed with something?  Yes, in the end, you may need to remove the paint on the ceiling and leave the ceiling and floor unsheilded.

I have no good answers since I have the same problem.  I put hardware screen on the walls and floor of my living room and now I can't even go in there.  I am huddled in the kitchen, still getting hit.  What a nightmare.  My only solution is to wear sheilding garments and sleep in a canopy or cage.  I have shielding fabrics under and over my bedcovers.  And when I put the microwave detector under the covers with me, I cannot hear anything, but when I turn a transistor radio on under the covers it plays as clear as a bell, so not a good arrangement. 

The same thing will happen with shielding garments.  If you do not cover everything, the microwaves can get in behind the fabric and bounce around.  The is the main complaint about the tin foil hat.  And more so with conductive rather than reflective materials.

Too bad we do not live in Sweden.  If we did, the government would pay to remediate our dwellings since Electrosensitivity is considered to be a disabling condition there.

Some people on this list know a lot more about this type of situation, and have discussed it in the past, though with vague subject headings it is hard to find these discussions in the archives.  Rather than keep repeating the information, they get tired of being instructors to everyone who keep incessantly asking questions about how to shield themselves in their particular situatiion.  It would be very beneficial to everyone if a Beau-Biologist or scientific minded person would create a website explaining to people how to sheild their apartments and houses properly and explain the pitfalls that can arise, since most of us cannot afford to have a professional come to our house and do a personal analysis.

C. Johnson
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Hello,

maybe the problems is in the grounding.

I have obeserved that several times.
Even with a canopy, with floot mat.
When it was grounded, the electrosensitive persons *jumped*.

Be aware that many groundings do contain a l;ot of *dirty frequencies* which you bring just INTO the room, and the walls are transmitting them.

These frequencies may be between 1Hz up to 30MHz.

See: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina11.html
and scroll down to 10-04-2011 *Dirty air*
Look at the spectrum analysises.

So, one has to be pretty sure, that the grounding is pretty *clean*.
But in a lot of cases, that is not so.

I momentarily advise people to install a new grounding, where the steel rod is deep into the ground, and the wires from there are shielded ones up to the house, so that they do not pick up these *dirty frequencies*.

There are more electrosensitives, who feel bad after shielding.

So, instead of painting, it is probably better to use a fabric, hanging on the wall.
And not grounding it.

Be aware that carbon may give *dirty air* at a distance of 60 centimeters.

I do not have a solution at the moment, but it is a great problem.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  --- On Wed, 11/16/11, chelseapaul1010 <[hidden email]> wrote:

  I've painted my whole bedroom using the blockpaint http://shop.wireless-protection.org/rf-screening-paint-carbon---blocpaint-191-p.asp from the uk. Painted all walls and ceiling, and covered the floor with alluiminium insulation foil.  




  Quite honestly I feel worse in there now than I did before


  Paul,

  Do you have any electrical devices in the bedroom? Lamps, radios, TV, Power box, etc. Also, wires running inside the walls or floors might theoretically be emiting EMF if the paint and foil are not grounded properly? Yes, any microwaves or EMF getting into the bedroom through cracks will bounce around. It is tough to figure out what is going on. but why don't you try leaving the paint on the walls and ceiling and take the foil up off the floor and see if the room can breathe better. If there are any windows in the bedroom, are they sealed with something? Yes, in the end, you may need to remove the paint on the ceiling and leave the ceiling and floor unsheilded.

  I have no good answers since I have the same problem. I put hardware screen on the walls and floor of my living room and now I can't even go in there. I am huddled in the kitchen, still getting hit. What a nightmare. My only solution is to wear sheilding garments and sleep in a canopy or cage. I have shielding fabrics under and over my bedcovers. And when I put the microwave detector under the covers with me, I cannot hear anything, but when I turn a transistor radio on under the covers it plays as clear as a bell, so not a good arrangement.

  The same thing will happen with shielding garments. If you do not cover everything, the microwaves can get in behind the fabric and bounce around. The is the main complaint about the tin foil hat. And more so with conductive rather than reflective materials.

  Too bad we do not live in Sweden. If we did, the government would pay to remediate our dwellings since Electrosensitivity is considered to be a disabling condition there.

  Some people on this list know a lot more about this type of situation, and have discussed it in the past, though with vague subject headings it is hard to find these discussions in the archives. Rather than keep repeating the information, they get tired of being instructors to everyone who keep incessantly asking questions about how to shield themselves in their particular situatiion. It would be very beneficial to everyone if a Beau-Biologist or scientific minded person would create a website explaining to people how to sheild their apartments and houses properly and explain the pitfalls that can arise, since most of us cannot afford to have a professional come to our house and do a personal analysis.

  C. Johnson
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Isn't this shielded paint made with carbon? Isn't that lead? My daughter brought up something interesting about this the other day. She said she remembered reading an article about X-rays and the lead bibs they put on people, and she said she read that the lead acts to scatter and bounce the x-rays. That the bib did NOT protect the body from X-rays, but acted to reflect and bounce the rays everywhere. (still looking for the article she read this in) Now, if you read the reports on Natural News about the new back scatter x-ray machines, think about this: the word BACK SCATTER. Something tells me that my daughter's comment is valuable information, when you put together the many, many posts about people using the paint to try to shield. IF it is true, that the lead does  cause the emf's to BACK SCATTER...maybe this whole paint thing is simply dangerously wrong. And if you add in that walls made of lead will BLOCK, but they have to be VERY THICK walls..this may make sense, as the paint is not thick as in a few feet thick.
As for clothing as shielding...I think for the purpose of protecting vital organs, wearing a T-shirt and boxers does help. My daughter has said from day one of wearng these, that she can FEEL the difference. I trust her much more then I trust any meter, and I do have good meters.  I also think that discharging head, feet and hands with properly structured water DOES provide the benefit of getting rid of stray voltage/static on the body. As for completely shielding a room? Walls, floors, windows, ceilings? Each emf source emits different frequencies....I would think it would take possibly layers and layers and utilizing diff't materials to block so many offenders.
Food for thought.
Lizzie
 



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--- On Wed, 11/16/11, chelseapaul1010 <[hidden email]> wrote:

I've painted my whole bedroom using the blockpaint http://shop.wireless-protection.org/rf-screening-paint-carbon---blocpaint-191-p.asp from the uk. Painted all walls and ceiling, and covered the floor with alluiminium insulation foil.

Quite honestly I feel worse in there now than I did before

Paul,

Do you have any electrical devices in the bedroom?  Lamps, radios, TV, Power box, etc.  Also, wires running inside the walls or floors might theoretically be emiting EMF if the paint and foil are not grounded properly?  Yes, any microwaves or EMF getting into the bedroom through cracks will bounce around.  It is tough to figure out what is going on. but why don't you try leaving the paint on the walls and ceiling and take the foil up off the floor and see if the room can breathe better. If there are any windows in the bedroom, are they sealed with something?  Yes, in the end, you may need to remove the paint on the ceiling and leave the ceiling and floor unsheilded.

I have no good answers since I have the same problem.  I put hardware screen on the walls and floor of my living room and now I can't even go in there.  I am huddled in the kitchen, still getting hit.  What a nightmare.  My only solution is to wear sheilding garments and sleep in a canopy or cage.  I have shielding fabrics under and over my bedcovers.  And when I put the microwave detector under the covers with me, I cannot hear anything, but when I turn a transistor radio on under the covers it plays as clear as a bell, so not a good arrangement.  

The same thing will happen with shielding garments.  If you do not cover everything, the microwaves can get in behind the fabric and bounce around.  The is the main complaint about the tin foil hat.  And more so with conductive rather than reflective materials.

Too bad we do not live in Sweden.  If we did, the government would pay to remediate our dwellings since Electrosensitivity is considered to be a disabling condition there.

Some people on this list know a lot more about this type of situation, and have discussed it in the past, though with vague subject headings it is hard to find these discussions in the archives.  Rather than keep repeating the information, they get tired of being instructors to everyone who keep incessantly asking questions about how to shield themselves in their particular situatiion.  It would be very beneficial to everyone if a Beau-Biologist or scientific minded person would create a website explaining to people how to sheild their apartments and houses properly and explain the pitfalls that can arise, since most of us cannot afford to have a professional come to our house and do a personal analysis.

C. Johnson
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C.a.b. Johnson wrote:
>  when I put the microwave detector under the covers with me, I cannot hear anything, but when I turn a transistor radio on under the covers it plays as clear as a bell, so not a good arrangement.  
>  
Remember AM and FM radio are using very low frequencies, which penetrate
walls and metal.
Not the same result as blocking microwave frequencies.

Stewart

Elizabeth thode wrote:
> Isn't this shielded paint made with carbon? Isn't that lead?

No, Carbon is # 6 on the periodic table, while Lead is # 82.
Their atomic weights are different by a factor of 17.
Lead is Heavy, with an atomic mass of 207, but carbon only weighs 12.

Stewart

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Hi

I have a faraday cage made with just aluminium foil (no paint) and aluminium mosquito net over the windows.

Initially I had the floor covered as well (along with the ceiling and walls) and I felt horrible in there as well.  After I took the floor out again, it felt right.

Also I din't feel good in it before I grounded it to two earthing rods outside.

With aluminium foil you can overlap the layers when you're building it, so that everything remains 'connected'(i.e. that you can get a low ohm reading on a multimeter between any two points) - necessary for the RF it picks up to flow to the earthing rods - else it reflects.  I think the paint might be more difficult to ground.

I don't know who the author of the following was (I copy-pasted it from esens to send to myself per email), but I copy-paste it again here as it might help (the gist of it being having the inside and outide of the room shielded, with aluminium (or paint) and covering it with wood/tile/etc) :


"A true faraday cage is a box within a box. It's been awhile since I have
researched this so I can't explain all that well. I have found that the more
shielding I use the better the effect. And also if I cover the shielding with
materials like wood or hardibacker and ceramic tile. I don't like the effect
the aluminum has on me. A little bit of it here and there is fine but too much
of it isn't good. Maybe if the outside walls were steel and not aluminum I
would not find it necessary. I do like to put steel on top of the inside
shielding such as velostat before then applying hardibacker and ceramic tile. I
really like the way the room feels when I have that much shielding onthe inside.
Can't say there is any other reason other than the way it makes me feel.
 

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Remember AM and FM radio are using very low frequencies, which
penetrate walls and metal. Not the same result as blocking microwave
frequencies.  Stewart

Stewart,

A radio is oftentimes used as a way to test to make sure a metal Faraday cage  is working.  If the radio cannot be heard inside of it then it is working,.  I was just using the radio as a way to say that my sleeping arrangement is not a Faraday cage. 

I have not used a canopy in order to test it, but would radio waves penetrate a grounded canopy that has a floor mat or would the material have to be more substantial? 


C. Johnson
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Y shield is carbon but after 3 coats it only gives you 50 db.  The silver is 60 db from Europe.
 
Loni

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Elizabeth thode wrote:
> Isn't this shielded paint made with carbon? Isn't that lead?

No, Carbon is # 6 on the periodic table, while Lead is # 82.
Their atomic weights are different by a factor of 17.
Lead is Heavy, with an atomic mass of 207, but carbon only weighs 12.

Stewart








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The problem is where?  The cell antennas 4G LTE reach 30 miles and are very harmful.  Where can you go? Quiet Zone I guess is the only place in WV. LOni

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> The problem is where?  The cell antennas 4G LTE reach 30 miles and are very harmful.  Where can you go? 
> Quiet Zone I guess is the only place in WV.

Actually, in the USA, I'd say that there are probably a lot more areas than that... probably some good places
to live in Montana, Wyoming, Oregon, Washington, etc.  Although perhaps too far removed from civilization?

Marc

Marc Martin wrote:
>> The problem is where?  The cell antennas 4G LTE reach 30 miles and are very harmful.  Where can you go?
>> Quiet Zone I guess is the only place in WV.
>>    
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> Actually, in the USA, I'd say that there are probably a lot more areas than that... probably some good places
> to live in Montana, Wyoming, Oregon, Washington, etc.  Although perhaps too far removed from civilization?
>  

Can't be TOO far removed, when the very thing (we) are trying to escape
is what civilization has become.

There are a lot of voids in the 4G maps, and even some still in the 3G
maps. My location may not be perfect anymore, but at least there are
still dead zones in the valley.

Stewart

Hi Loni,
Besides saying "Oh No!" to your new problem, I've been stumped trying to
find something constructive to contribute...

I believe you have a pretty good meter now, did you see a reduction from
before and after painting the Y shield?
You should be able to find the leaks, does the meter go up near the
windows, doors, or corners of the ceiling?
Are you on the ground floor?

If the paint is grounded, it should help. I thought the carbon solutions
acted like an absorber, instead of being reflective.

Stewart

Loni wrote:
> Y shield is carbon but after 3 coats it only gives you 50 db.  The silver is 60 db from Europe.
>  

C.a.b. Johnson wrote:
> I have not used a canopy in order to test it, but would radio waves penetrate a grounded canopy that has a floor mat or would the material have to be more substantial?  
>  

I think it needs to be more substantial to block the lower frequencies.
A true faraday cage is more than just a silver-mesh canopy or aluminum foil.


Stewart

But I think that those other locations are tentative. Only a matter of time the whole us is covered with 4G LTE.  don't forget about LIGHTSQUARED!   Deadly prop for me.  I am running from this frequency all over Arizona and I can hardly escape it.
 
Loni

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Marc Martin wrote:
>> The problem is where? The cell antennas 4G LTE reach 30 miles and are very harmful. Where can you go?
>> Quiet Zone I guess is the only place in WV.
>>
>
> Actually, in the USA, I'd say that there are probably a lot more areas than that... probably some good places
> to live in Montana, Wyoming, Oregon, Washington, etc. Although perhaps too far removed from civilization?
>

Can't be TOO far removed, when the very thing (we) are trying to escape
is what civilization has become.

There are a lot of voids in the 4G maps, and even some still in the 3G
maps. My location may not be perfect anymore, but at least there are
still dead zones in the valley.

Stewart








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> But I think that those other locations are tentative. Only a matter of time the whole us is covered with 4G LTE. 

I don't believe this -- I can easily find places that have zero cellphone coverage (both AT&T and Verizon), and there is no reason to believe that there will ever be cellphone coverage there in the next 10+ years (because the population density is too low)

Marc

Speak what you want. Your thoughts, your words have so much power.
If you convince yourself of something...that is the energy you will bring.
Good or bad.
Lizzie
 



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> But I think that those other locations are tentative. Only a matter of time the whole us is covered with 4G LTE.  

I don't believe this -- I can easily find places that have zero cellphone coverage (both AT&T and Verizon), and there is no reason to believe that there will ever be cellphone coverage there in the next 10+ years (because the population density is too low)

Marc



     

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Stewart & Mark,

Do you actually get a 0 on your meter or do you read very low in these dead areas.


Are you talking about areas  you see on a map?
 
Kathy


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      Marc Martin wrote:

>> The problem is where?  The cell antennas 4G LTE reach 30 miles and are very harmful.  Where can you go?

>> Quiet Zone I guess is the only place in WV.

>>    

>

> Actually, in the USA, I'd say that there are probably a lot more areas than that... probably some good places

> to live in Montana, Wyoming, Oregon, Washington, etc.  Although perhaps too far removed from civilization?

>  





There are a lot of voids in the 4G maps, and even some still in the 3G

maps. My location may not be perfect anymore, but at least there are

still dead zones in the valley.



Stewart





   
     

   
   






 










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