RF Shielding Paint from Europe

> Do you actually get a 0 on your meter or do you read very low in these dead areas.
> Are you talking about areas  you see on a map?

The cellphone coverage maps do indeed show large areas of the country with no
cellphone coverage.  However, I've also gone on trips with a cellphone and found
large stretches of road with no cellphone coverage -- at least, no AT&T or Verizon
2G coverage, so I doubt there's anything else, either.

Marc

Hi Kathy,

You must be looking at my cellphone coverage map for my area, the one I
made myself by actual observations and measurements this year.
I really do see zero bars in the deep part of the valley here. As I get
closer to the National Forest trailhead, there is a larger stretch of
zero bars. Nice and quiet there, I can confirm.
http://seahorseCorral.org/images/lambert/cellCoverage-1024.jpg

It differs greatly from the AT&T/Sprint/Verizon maps, as they show the
area north of Republic to be no coverage.
<a
href="http://coverage.sprintpcs.com/action/WebImageStream9?covType=sprint&serviceType=voice&mapcenterx=-118.01060485839844&mapcentery=48.497642517089844&geocenterx=-95.9&geocentery=37.1&endlinex=&endliney=&scale=100.0&width=420&height=315&showPinpoint=F&signalStrength=T&antiAlias=T&layers=TFFTFTTTFFTFFTFFFFFFFTTFFFF">Sprint
coverage</a>
In actuality, the facility on Franson Peak near Curlew is very loud, and
has lots of antennas on it now. It is responsible for the coverage on
the hilltops here, and in between as well.

Not 4G, probably 3G, definitely 2G.
I can't tell yet how to determine the difference between 2 and 3G. I
just decoded the ARFCN this week when I finally found the Samsung
service codes for this phone. Debug mode shows on line 1
I 0142 04 99
Idle ARFCN Receive Transmit (RF levels)
0142 is GSM850 = 827.0 Mhz uplink, 872.0 Mhz downlink

Ha! I can finally prove the Spectan was showing the blip was on the
correct frequency.

Anyways I get rx 04 in my room, and 00 in my bed with the canopy. I've
now established a conversion chart from their internal rx levels to the
number of bars. rx 0-6 = 0 bars.  99 = -1 or off.

It is getting in via the roof. No metal roofing... hmmm So much for the
shielding on the walls and windows to stop it all. Well, I already know
that it doesn't.

Considering the number of deep valleys in my "area", encompassing all of
NE WA I would certainly conclude there are many places around here where
there really is no coverage. 0 bars. At least for the microwave frequencies.

Even with Lightsquared and 4G on the horizon, I still think finding a
rural area, in a deep valley, to be the only way to escape this mess.
Even in such dead zones, TV reception from Spokane is another zero, so
WiMax concerns are yet to be determined.

Mark is right about areas with low population density having less
financial incentive to add towers to. But I disagree that will stop them
from putting up antennas like Franson Peak, which is not a "Tower", but
a hill top with facilities on it.  The rugged terrain here certainly
stops them from covering everyplace.

The only meter I don't get zero on in the dead zone, is the TES-593. I
measure a background level here at 0.0029 V/m or = 2.9 milli volts per
meter. (and of course the spectran which I am ignoring.)

Stewart

http://seahorseCorral.org/ehs1.html



KathyB wrote:
> Stewart & Mark,
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> Do you actually get a 0 on your meter or do you read very low in these dead areas.
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> Are you talking about areas  you see on a map?
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Stewart,

Thanks for explaining what on a meter reads in a dead zone.

Must be nice to see a 0 on your meters.  You're right about looking fora rural deep valley. area.

Kathy
 





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Hi Stewart;
 
I didn't use the paint because in the bedroom it didn't work but I only used one coat there which gives it about 36 db I think. 
 
It might not be grounded correctly in there.  There is a reduction in that bedroom but even a low rating with this pulsating LTE frequency it still burns my skin and fries me to where I am really ill.
 
I tried sleeping where the reading was 3.8 to 4.4 mVm about  where looked in the middle of no where and still got fried. It is very strong and reaches 30 miles versus 3 miles with the 3G.
 
Not sure what to do. I'm looking for remote camp sites to park my motor home.
 
Loni

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Hi Loni,
Besides saying "Oh No!" to your new problem, I've been stumped trying to
find something constructive to contribute...

I believe you have a pretty good meter now, did you see a reduction from
before and after painting the Y shield?
You should be able to find the leaks, does the meter go up near the
windows, doors, or corners of the ceiling?
Are you on the ground floor?

If the paint is grounded, it should help. I thought the carbon solutions
acted like an absorber, instead of being reflective.

Stewart

Loni wrote:
> Y shield is carbon but after 3 coats it only gives you 50 db. The silver is 60 db from Europe.
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I was considering using the carbon Y Shield on ceiling a back walls and not covering everything so that it can go out the front. I'm trying to cut down the frequencies coming in.
 
Does that make sense?  I don't want to make it worse.
 
How many coats did you use?
 
Loni

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Subject: [eSens] Re: RF Shielding Paint from Europe
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 10:14 AM



 



Hi Loni,

I've painted my whole bedroom using the blockpaint http://shop.wireless-protection.org/rf-screening-paint-carbon---blocpaint-191-p.asp from the uk. Painted all walls and ceiling, and covered the floor with alluiminium insulation foil.

Quite honestly I feel worse in there now than I did before! All I can think of is that the wifi etc is creeping in through gaps, like the doorway and small cracks...and then bouncing around inside the room. I would suggest that unless you can make your room completely sealed off, then don't even condsider it. I wish I hadn't bothered now, and am contemplating removing the shielded paint from at least 2 of the walls to allow the waves to pass through the room freely. I sleep under a naturell bed canopy, so I don't feel too bad when I am under that at least...

While I am here, does anyone have any experience of removing the paint? Or maybe making the situation better without doing anything too drastic?

Paul

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> Anyone used or know anything about this shielding paint that has silver in it from Europe. It is 60 db and sounds good.  Want to try it to cut down exposure.
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>I momentarily advise people to install a new grounding, where the steel rod is deep into the >ground, and the wires from there are shielded ones up to the house, so that they do not pick up >these *dirty frequencies*.

 
Can you ground the paint with wire going outside to rod?  Is that a clean ground or is the ground dirty as well? 
 
I can't put fabric on the walls. My family won't do that and we hopefully will be selling this house at some point thus the paint. But I am nervous about it.
 
The Y sheild is a carbon paint. Does that conduct

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Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 12:08 PM



 



Hello,

maybe the problems is in the grounding.

I have obeserved that several times.
Even with a canopy, with floot mat.
When it was grounded, the electrosensitive persons *jumped*.

Be aware that many groundings do contain a l;ot of *dirty frequencies* which you bring just INTO the room, and the walls are transmitting them.

These frequencies may be between 1Hz up to 30MHz.

See: http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina11.html
and scroll down to 10-04-2011 *Dirty air*
Look at the spectrum analysises.

So, one has to be pretty sure, that the grounding is pretty *clean*.
But in a lot of cases, that is not so.

I momentarily advise people to install a new grounding, where the steel rod is deep into the ground, and the wires from there are shielded ones up to the house, so that they do not pick up these *dirty frequencies*.

There are more electrosensitives, who feel bad after shielding.

So, instead of painting, it is probably better to use a fabric, hanging on the wall.
And not grounding it.

Be aware that carbon may give *dirty air* at a distance of 60 centimeters.

I do not have a solution at the moment, but it is a great problem.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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I've painted my whole bedroom using the blockpaint http://shop.wireless-protection.org/rf-screening-paint-carbon---blocpaint-191-p.asp from the uk. Painted all walls and ceiling, and covered the floor with alluiminium insulation foil.

Quite honestly I feel worse in there now than I did before

Paul,

Do you have any electrical devices in the bedroom? Lamps, radios, TV, Power box, etc. Also, wires running inside the walls or floors might theoretically be emiting EMF if the paint and foil are not grounded properly? Yes, any microwaves or EMF getting into the bedroom through cracks will bounce around. It is tough to figure out what is going on. but why don't you try leaving the paint on the walls and ceiling and take the foil up off the floor and see if the room can breathe better. If there are any windows in the bedroom, are they sealed with something? Yes, in the end, you may need to remove the paint on the ceiling and leave the ceiling and floor unsheilded.

I have no good answers since I have the same problem. I put hardware screen on the walls and floor of my living room and now I can't even go in there. I am huddled in the kitchen, still getting hit. What a nightmare. My only solution is to wear sheilding garments and sleep in a canopy or cage. I have shielding fabrics under and over my bedcovers. And when I put the microwave detector under the covers with me, I cannot hear anything, but when I turn a transistor radio on under the covers it plays as clear as a bell, so not a good arrangement.

The same thing will happen with shielding garments. If you do not cover everything, the microwaves can get in behind the fabric and bounce around. The is the main complaint about the tin foil hat. And more so with conductive rather than reflective materials.

Too bad we do not live in Sweden. If we did, the government would pay to remediate our dwellings since Electrosensitivity is considered to be a disabling condition there.

Some people on this list know a lot more about this type of situation, and have discussed it in the past, though with vague subject headings it is hard to find these discussions in the archives. Rather than keep repeating the information, they get tired of being instructors to everyone who keep incessantly asking questions about how to shield themselves in their particular situatiion. It would be very beneficial to everyone if a Beau-Biologist or scientific minded person would create a website explaining to people how to sheild their apartments and houses properly and explain the pitfalls that can arise, since most of us cannot afford to have a professional come to our house and do a personal analysis.

C. Johnson
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presume you have given it a good earthing or drain ?
 
puk
 
 
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I was considering using the carbon Y Shield on ceiling a back walls and  
not covering everything so that it can go out the front. I'm trying to cut  
down the frequencies coming in.

Does that make sense?  I  don't want to make it worse.

How many coats did you  use?

Loni

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From: chelseapaul1010 <_chelseapaul1010@yahoo.com_
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Subject:  [eSens] Re: RF Shielding Paint from Europe
To: _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email])
Date:  Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 10:14 AM



Hi  Loni,

I've painted my whole bedroom using the blockpaint
_http://shop.wireless-protection.org/rf-screening-paint-carbon---blocpaint-191-p.asp_
(http://shop.wireless-protection.org/rf-screening-paint-carbon---blocpaint-191-p.asp)  
from the uk. Painted all walls and ceiling, and covered the floor with  
alluiminium insulation foil.

Quite honestly I feel worse in there now  than I did before! All I can
think of is that the wifi etc is creeping in  through gaps, like the doorway and
small cracks...and then bouncing around  inside the room. I would suggest
that unless you can make your room completely  sealed off, then don't even
condsider it. I wish I hadn't bothered now, and am  contemplating removing the
shielded paint from at least 2 of the walls to  allow the waves to pass
through the room freely. I sleep under a naturell bed  canopy, so I don't feel
too bad when I am under that at least...

While  I am here, does anyone have any experience of removing the paint? Or
maybe  making the situation better without doing anything too  drastic?

Paul

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<loni326@...> wrote:
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> Anyone used or know  anything about this shielding paint that has silver
in it from Europe. It is  60 db and sounds good.  Want to try it to cut down
exposure.
>  
> Loni
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How many coats did you use Paul?  Do you know the DB?
 
Loni
 

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From: chelseapaul1010 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: RF Shielding Paint from Europe
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Date: Wednesday, November 16, 2011, 10:14 AM



 



Hi Loni,

I've painted my whole bedroom using the blockpaint http://shop.wireless-protection.org/rf-screening-paint-carbon---blocpaint-191-p.asp from the uk. Painted all walls and ceiling, and covered the floor with alluiminium insulation foil.

Quite honestly I feel worse in there now than I did before! All I can think of is that the wifi etc is creeping in through gaps, like the doorway and small cracks...and then bouncing around inside the room. I would suggest that unless you can make your room completely sealed off, then don't even condsider it. I wish I hadn't bothered now, and am contemplating removing the shielded paint from at least 2 of the walls to allow the waves to pass through the room freely. I sleep under a naturell bed canopy, so I don't feel too bad when I am under that at least...

While I am here, does anyone have any experience of removing the paint? Or maybe making the situation better without doing anything too drastic?

Paul

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>  
> Anyone used or know anything about this shielding paint that has silver in it from Europe. It is 60 db and sounds good.  Want to try it to cut down exposure.
>  
> Loni
>
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Hi Loni,

I used one coat for the whole room including ceiling, and then whatever i had left over i did a bit extra on the walls facing my neighbours on either side.  I think this may be the problem as hairline cracks were already visible when the paint was drying.  If you can afford to do 3 coats that may get better results...I couldn't, it was £250 for 5 litres!  That didnt even finish the whole room, had to buy one extra litre for the ceiling.  My room is not even that big....

Not a good experience all round, if I could turn the clock back, i would do in and instant.  Be very careful.

Paul

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>Not a good experience all round, if I could turn the clock back, i would do in and instant. Be very careful.

What would you do in an instant?  Confusing.  Loni

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Hi Loni,

I used one coat for the whole room including ceiling, and then whatever i had left over i did a bit extra on the walls facing my neighbours on either side. I think this may be the problem as hairline cracks were already visible when the paint was drying. If you can afford to do 3 coats that may get better results...I couldn't, it was £250 for 5 litres! That didnt even finish the whole room, had to buy one extra litre for the ceiling. My room is not even that big....

Not a good experience all round, if I could turn the clock back, i would do in and instant. Be very careful.

Paul

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Sorry Loni, what I meant was that if I could turn the clock back I probably would not have bothered with the paint at all.  

It has cost me a lot of time and money and has not given me the results I wanted.  I guess one small positive is that it's yet another thing to cross off the list, and maybe if I hadn't done it I would never have known.  Like I said, maybe if you can afford to do 2 or 3 coats it might work better?

I now have the hassle of trying to remove it from at least one wall which is not going to be the easiest task, and then redocorate again once it's removed.  Generally, a massive pain in the a*se!

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