Questions about mercury toxicity

My mercury hair test results were 4.01 ug/g and I've been putting off
getting my fillings removed because of the cost and not being able to
find someone here on Maui who does the safety protocols thoroughly.

Now I've developed really bad candida rashes and am doing the diet
and taking supplements and know that I really need to get the mercury
out in order to eliminate the candida.

Made an appointment next monday and then realised I don't have much
time to figure out mercury chelation. I'm so exhausted with all this.
Just don't know where to start.

I was taking methyl B12 for tinnitus and then I found out that this
is really bad if one has high mercury (forms methyl mercury) which
begs the question: is 4.01ug/g considered 'high mercury' (and yes, I
know that hair just indicates how much mercury has been excreted).

Can anyone give me some pointers?

Thanks,
Aline

I'm no expert on this, and there have been conflicting suggestions about
what to take, but my recollection is that high dose Vitamin C infusions
round the time of the removal, and/or chlorella and fine charcoal (to try to
absorb any mercury vapour released) are commonly suggested methods. The
question is, can you get hold of any of these before Monday? (The IV
infusions of course are a specialist task).

I hope that the dentist is going to be doing it properly with a rubber dam
and full vacuum extraction from the mouth. If he isn't ... please don't do
it! Don't even think about it! And if you feel the rubber dam slip, or
aren't sure that it's absolutely firmly in place, tell him to stop
immediately and check.

Ian

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Aline
Sent: 14 January 2008 21:15
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Questions about mercury toxicity



My mercury hair test results were 4.01 ug/g and I've been putting off
getting my fillings removed because of the cost and not being able to
find someone here on Maui who does the safety protocols thoroughly.

Now I've developed really bad candida rashes and am doing the diet
and taking supplements and know that I really need to get the mercury
out in order to eliminate the candida.

Made an appointment next monday and then realised I don't have much
time to figure out mercury chelation. I'm so exhausted with all this.
Just don't know where to start.

I was taking methyl B12 for tinnitus and then I found out that this
is really bad if one has high mercury (forms methyl mercury) which
begs the question: is 4.01ug/g considered 'high mercury' (and yes, I
know that hair just indicates how much mercury has been excreted).

Can anyone give me some pointers?

Thanks,
Aline






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Hi Ian, thanks for the reply.

I have decided to delay my appointment a week and I'm going to see a
naturopath this week. Found one nearby who seems to be knowledgeable
about heavy metal detox and candida.

This dentist will use a dam and vacuum plus saliva ejector but he
doesn't normally use supplemental air. I think he only uses the
protocol if people ask for it which indicates that he doesn't take it
very seriously.

Unfortunately I only have the choice of 2 amalgam-free dentists on
Maui - was thinking of going to Thailand but realise follow-up would
be non-existent.

Aloha,
Aline

In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:

> I'm no expert on this, and there have been conflicting suggestions
about
> what to take, but my recollection is that high dose Vitamin C
infusions
> round the time of the removal, and/or chlorella and fine charcoal
(to try to
> absorb any mercury vapour released) are commonly suggested
methods. The
> question is, can you get hold of any of these before Monday? (The IV
> infusions of course are a specialist task).
>  
> I hope that the dentist is going to be doing it properly with a
rubber dam
> and full vacuum extraction from the mouth. If he isn't ... please
don't do
> it! Don't even think about it! And if you feel the rubber dam
slip, or
> aren't sure that it's absolutely firmly in place, tell him to stop
> immediately and check.
>  
> Ian
>
> _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On
Behalf Of
> Aline
> Sent: 14 January 2008 21:15
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Questions about mercury toxicity
>
>
>
> My mercury hair test results were 4.01 ug/g and I've been putting
off
> getting my fillings removed because of the cost and not being able
to
> find someone here on Maui who does the safety protocols thoroughly.
>
> Now I've developed really bad candida rashes and am doing the diet
> and taking supplements and know that I really need to get the
mercury
> out in order to eliminate the candida.
>
> Made an appointment next monday and then realised I don't have much
> time to figure out mercury chelation. I'm so exhausted with all
this.
> Just don't know where to start.
>
> I was taking methyl B12 for tinnitus and then I found out that this
> is really bad if one has high mercury (forms methyl mercury) which
> begs the question: is 4.01ug/g considered 'high mercury' (and yes,
I

Good luck Aline. I think many heavy metal dentists aren't too bothered
about the protocol because for most people it doesn't matter. But it will
for those with ES/MCS!

I may have mixed up cilantro and chlorella in my earlier post. One mainly
releases the heavy metals from the cells, the other combines with them and
helps them to be eliminated from the body. I can't remember which is which.
It's the second type you want here (to be honest you probably don't want any
detox from cells on top of the possible load from mercury vapour).

I'm sure I remember this being covered well by Marc and others in an email
exchange a few months back, but am not sure how to look for it in the
archives.

Ian

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Aline
Sent: 15 January 2008 06:05
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: Questions about mercury toxicity



Hi Ian, thanks for the reply.

I have decided to delay my appointment a week and I'm going to see a
naturopath this week. Found one nearby who seems to be knowledgeable
about heavy metal detox and candida.

This dentist will use a dam and vacuum plus saliva ejector but he
doesn't normally use supplemental air. I think he only uses the
protocol if people ask for it which indicates that he doesn't take it
very seriously.

Unfortunately I only have the choice of 2 amalgam-free dentists on
Maui - was thinking of going to Thailand but realise follow-up would
be non-existent.

Aloha,
Aline

In eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com, "Ian Kemp"
<ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote:

> I'm no expert on this, and there have been conflicting suggestions
about
> what to take, but my recollection is that high dose Vitamin C
infusions
> round the time of the removal, and/or chlorella and fine charcoal
(to try to
> absorb any mercury vapour released) are commonly suggested
methods. The
> question is, can you get hold of any of these before Monday? (The IV
> infusions of course are a specialist task).
>
> I hope that the dentist is going to be doing it properly with a
rubber dam
> and full vacuum extraction from the mouth. If he isn't ... please
don't do
> it! Don't even think about it! And if you feel the rubber dam
slip, or
> aren't sure that it's absolutely firmly in place, tell him to stop
> immediately and check.
>
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
[mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com] On
Behalf Of
> Aline
> Sent: 14 January 2008 21:15
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> com
> Subject: [eSens] Questions about mercury toxicity
>
>
>
> My mercury hair test results were 4.01 ug/g and I've been putting
off
> getting my fillings removed because of the cost and not being able
to
> find someone here on Maui who does the safety protocols thoroughly.
>
> Now I've developed really bad candida rashes and am doing the diet
> and taking supplements and know that I really need to get the
mercury
> out in order to eliminate the candida.
>
> Made an appointment next monday and then realised I don't have much
> time to figure out mercury chelation. I'm so exhausted with all
this.
> Just don't know where to start.
>
> I was taking methyl B12 for tinnitus and then I found out that this
> is really bad if one has high mercury (forms methyl mercury) which
> begs the question: is 4.01ug/g considered 'high mercury' (and yes,
I





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> I may have mixed up cilantro and chlorella in my earlier post. One mainly
> releases the heavy metals from the cells, the other combines with them and
> helps them to be eliminated from the body.

Chlorella is the one which is supposed to bind to the mercury, but
many people's experiences is that it can also mobilize mercury from
the cells, so one should be careful to see if you can tolerate it
first.

I think the safest thing one can try is activated charcoal -- in my
experience, this does NOT mobilize anything from the cells, but
merely cleans up toxicity in the digestive tract. Chitosan is
supposed to work this way as well, but in my experience this
can mobilize stuff from the cells as well.

Marc

Thanks for the info.

Is it a good idea to take lots of vitamin C before the dental work?

And is activated charcoal something I will be able to get from a
health food store?

Aline

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > I may have mixed up cilantro and chlorella in my earlier post.  
One mainly
> > releases the heavy metals from the cells, the other combines with
them and

> Is it a good idea to take lots of vitamin C before the dental work?

Some people claim it is. Personally, I never noticed anything from
taking Vitamin C, good or bad.

> And is activated charcoal something I will be able to get from a
> health food store?

Yes, activated charcoal should be pretty easy to find. Even a
drugstore may have it, in the digestion/gas section.

Marc

The only stuff that I know of which not only releases mercury from
where it is in the body but also removes it entirely from our bodies
without unconfortable side effects is NDF.
See the website at : www.bioray2000.com

William



--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

> The only stuff that I know of which not only releases mercury from
> where it is in the body but also removes it entirely from our bodies
> without unconfortable side effects is NDF.
> See the website at : www.bioray2000.com

I know of some people who are not able to tolerate NDF at all.
My tolerance for it has always been limited -- that is, I've
never been able to tolerate the "full" dose of 100 drops per
day. Perhaps if combined with something like charcoal...

Marc

Am I right in thinking that chelation from cells should not be started
until all the mercury is out?

Aline

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

> Am I right in thinking that chelation from cells should not be started
> until all the mercury is out?

Do you mean until all of the fillings are out?

Some chelators claim to be safe to use with fillings still in place.
I think there is so much variability between people that you'd have
to decide for yourself what is working and what is not. Judge this
by how good/bad you feel when you try something.

Marc

> I have decided to delay my appointment a week and I'm going to see a
> naturopath this week. Found one nearby who seems to be knowledgeable
> about heavy metal detox and candida.

Yes, I would not rush your filling removal unnecessarily. It may
take months or years (unfortunately) to fully recover from heavy
metal poisoning and candida. And I don't want to be too negative,
but I've seen people on other groups who were unable to recover
even after years of trying. Hopefully we give better advice
than those people were getting...

Marc

> Now I've developed really bad candida rashes and am doing the diet
> and taking supplements and know that I really need to get the mercury
> out in order to eliminate the candida.

Oh, by the way, if you've got fungal problems, one thing you can
try without getting your fillings removed is using grapefruit (or
citrus) seed extract drops in a glass of water. One of the
easier-to-find brands is labeled "GSE", although I eventually
got sensitized to this and switched to "Agrisept-L". This is
also good for getting over colds and flus if one has a
suppressed immune system.

Marc

Hi, Aline,

This is not a pointer for your mercury problem, however, be aware that people who have problems with candida are unusually prone to gluten intolerance. When you follow a candida diet, it is best to be sure you are eliminating ALL sources of glutens (wheat, rye, barley, and also oats and millet and their various forms and derivitives; some include corn gluten in this). Even minute amounts of glutens might cause problems for people with candida (such as contamination during food processing, etc). The reason for this is candida uses glutens to build its colony structures (biofilms) and also the body identifies candida as gluten because candida carries a gluten-like molecule. I know this is probably the least of your problems right now, but you will want to know this on down the road when you move forward with your candida removal program. Best wishes.

Be well, dear. Hope you get the help you need quickly,
Diane

Aline <[hidden email]> wrote:
My mercury hair test results were 4.01 ug/g and I've been putting off
getting my fillings removed because of the cost and not being able to
find someone here on Maui who does the safety protocols thoroughly.

Now I've developed really bad candida rashes and am doing the diet
and taking supplements and know that I really need to get the mercury
out in order to eliminate the candida.

Made an appointment next monday and then realised I don't have much
time to figure out mercury chelation. I'm so exhausted with all this.
Just don't know where to start.

I was taking methyl B12 for tinnitus and then I found out that this
is really bad if one has high mercury (forms methyl mercury) which
begs the question: is 4.01ug/g considered 'high mercury' (and yes, I
know that hair just indicates how much mercury has been excreted).

Can anyone give me some pointers?

Thanks,
Aline






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Hi, Marc,

I learned something interesting about grapefruit and liver detox lately. An enzyme or chemical component of grapefruit juice halts phase I liver detox. I have dysfunctional phase II liver detox pathways and grapefruit in any form makes me feel great! However, this is probably because it slows or stops entirely phase I detox and so I am not getting all the symptoms of phase II dysfunction, not necessarily because it is doing other great things for me. Grapefruit can be a help if the phase II detox pathways are merely overworked and you want to give them a chance to recover by slowing phase I. But stopping phase I detox +/OR having dysfunctional phase II can both lead to carcinogenic buildup if the nasties have nowhere to go longterm. All these years I thought GSE and grapefruit were doing great things for me, but possibly all they were doing is keeping phase I and II detox from happening. (That said, keeping phase I from happening was a good thing for me, personally.
But it might not be for those of you who have well functioning liver detox pathways.) And, too, I mention GSE as doing the same as grapefruit juice, but this is probably not the case. I would want to check into that further, tho, before making the decision to use it. It could be, tho, that another thing we have in common here is liver detox problems, specifically phase II detox dysfunction. If that is the case, then grapefruit might be good for most of us. Either way, tho, we need to find ways to detox more effectively, so the info in these sites might help:

http://wisewitch.blogspot.com/2006/05/cytochrome-p450-and-liver-detox.html 

(I had a medical site rather than a blog with the phase II detox pathway nutrient info but I cannot locate it. I will send later if I can find it, but the info is essentially the same. The other 2 sites are just for explanation of how the liver detox system works.)

http://www.integrativewellness.org/detox.htm

http://www.alternativehealth.co.nz/detox/liver.htm

My 2 cents,
Diane

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Now I've developed really bad candida rashes and am doing the diet
> and taking supplements and know that I really need to get the mercury
> out in order to eliminate the candida.

Oh, by the way, if you've got fungal problems, one thing you can
try without getting your fillings removed is using grapefruit (or
citrus) seed extract drops in a glass of water. One of the
easier-to-find brands is labeled "GSE", although I eventually
got sensitized to this and switched to "Agrisept-L". This is
also good for getting over colds and flus if one has a
suppressed immune system.

Marc






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> I have dysfunctional phase II liver detox pathways and grapefruit in any
> form makes me feel great! However, this is probably because it slows or stops
> entirely phase I detox and so I am not getting all the symptoms of phase II
> dysfunction

I should note that 7 years ago, grapefruit seed extract also made me feel
great, and that I also had liver tests which showed an overactive phase
I liver detox. Also I recently noted that anything containing Milk
Thistle makes me feel bad, and I believe that Milk Thistle boosts
phase I liver detox.

But it is good to have those phases balanced, so temporarily suppressing
one phase can have its merits!

I should note that I hardly take grapefruit seed extract anymore -- maybe
if I've got a cold or flu, but not on a daily basis.

Marc

Hi Marc,

I was afraid that might be the case with GSE as I noticed I never have detox symptoms from it killing candida, and with all the other germicidals I have bad detox symptoms. The sites only mention grapefruit juice, but I suspected the GSE was halting phase I too.

Ditto for the milk thistle also. I can't take the stuff due to it causing too severe detox symptoms. I have been experimenting with riboflavin and am having problems with it, as well. I thought maybe I was lacking another nutrient that has to be balanced with it and so did some research. I found molybdenum, iron, other Bs, and some amino acids work with it. But I suspect ribo, etc, are causing a liver detox imbalance due to speeding up phase I detox. Such a shame as I have about a dozen symptoms of riboflavin deficiency. After taking even small doses of riboflavin, tho, I have horrible detox symptoms and pretty much drop whereever I am and fall asleep for 2 hours. After about 10 days of this I had to halt the riboflavin altogether. What I really need is to overcome the phase II dysfunction, but that is alot more complicated. I can take the nutrients, etc, for phase II that I know about but that doesn't seem to work for me. Any suggestions??? Does anybody know
if Dr Rae from EHCD (or anyone else) can treat phase II detox problems?

Thanks,
Diane

Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I have dysfunctional phase II liver detox pathways and grapefruit in any
> form makes me feel great! However, this is probably because it slows or stops
> entirely phase I detox and so I am not getting all the symptoms of phase II
> dysfunction

I should note that 7 years ago, grapefruit seed extract also made me feel
great, and that I also had liver tests which showed an overactive phase
I liver detox. Also I recently noted that anything containing Milk
Thistle makes me feel bad, and I believe that Milk Thistle boosts
phase I liver detox.

But it is good to have those phases balanced, so temporarily suppressing
one phase can have its merits!

I should note that I hardly take grapefruit seed extract anymore -- maybe
if I've got a cold or flu, but not on a daily basis.

Marc





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Thanks for that info, Diane.

I had wondered about grains and gluten. Have been avoiding wheat but
I have been eating ryvita and oats. I recently read that oats are
often comtaminated with gluten from the processing plant but one can
buy certified gluten-free oats now (Bob's Red Mill is one I believe).

The candida is my most apparent problem and is causing relationship
problems but the naturopath believes that a parasite problem in my
liver and gall bladder and the mercury need to be addressed first.

I have read that it is good to detoxify your system generally before
amalgam removal to boost immune system etc so my attempts at candida
removal are no doubt helpful in that respect even if I haven't
actually got rid of it.

Aloha,
Aline

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

> Hi, Aline,
>    
> This is not a pointer for your mercury problem, however, be aware
that people who have problems with candida are unusually prone to
gluten intolerance. When you follow a candida diet, it is best to be
sure you are eliminating ALL sources of glutens (wheat, rye, barley,
and also oats and millet and their various forms and derivitives;
some include corn gluten in this). Even minute amounts of glutens
might cause problems for people with candida (such as contamination
during food processing, etc). The reason for this is candida uses
glutens to build its colony structures (biofilms) and also the body
identifies candida as gluten because candida carries a gluten-like
molecule. I know this is probably the least of your problems right
now, but you will want to know this on down the road when you move
forward with your candida removal program. Best wishes.
>    
> Be well, dear. Hope you get the help you need quickly,
> Diane
>
> Aline <haikuron@...> wrote:
> My mercury hair test results were 4.01 ug/g and I've been
putting off
> getting my fillings removed because of the cost and not being able
to
> find someone here on Maui who does the safety protocols thoroughly.
>
> Now I've developed really bad candida rashes and am doing the diet
> and taking supplements and know that I really need to get the
mercury
> out in order to eliminate the candida.
>
> Made an appointment next monday and then realised I don't have much
> time to figure out mercury chelation. I'm so exhausted with all
this.
> Just don't know where to start.
>
> I was taking methyl B12 for tinnitus and then I found out that this
> is really bad if one has high mercury (forms methyl mercury) which
> begs the question: is 4.01ug/g considered 'high mercury' (and yes,
I

In my experience, Quinoa is the least harmful of the grains.
Oats, Millet, and Amaranth seem okay as well.

Marc

> I had wondered about grains and gluten. Have been avoiding wheat but
> I have been eating ryvita and oats. I recently read that oats are
> often comtaminated with gluten from the processing plant but one can
> buy certified gluten-free oats now (Bob's Red Mill is one I believe).

Yes, Sue was the same with NDF, it gave her side effects and she couldn't
take it. This was when her immune system was rock bottom.

As with a lot of these things, some people can tolerate them and others
can't, there seems no way of predicting it other than to try it for
yourself...

Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 16 January 2008 19:03
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Questions about mercury toxicity



> The only stuff that I know of which not only releases mercury from
> where it is in the body but also removes it entirely from our bodies
> without unconfortable side effects is NDF.
> See the website at : www.bioray2000.com

I know of some people who are not able to tolerate NDF at all.
My tolerance for it has always been limited -- that is, I've
never been able to tolerate the "full" dose of 100 drops per
day. Perhaps if combined with something like charcoal...

Marc





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