Question about cruise ships...

Hi Guys,
 
Last year, I signed up for an anniversary group cruise with Carnival Destiny.  I was very concerned, but people were telling me that when they had gone on a cruise, they hadn't seen cell phones or laptops.  That might have been true at the time when they travelled.
 
Carnival said that for the past 6 years they have had wifi and cell phone service in the all of the cabins and that they had satelite wireless.  Once I discovered this I hoped the insurance would refund me, but they don't accept preexisting conditions and required a Dr.'s order or letter.  Does anyone know if there's a difference between satelite and regular wifi?
 
I couldn't get even a partial refund because both parties within the cabin must cancel for that to be possible.  I do not want to pay any additional fees or anything to go on a cruise that I feel could really exacerbate my condition.  But I wanted to ask you all had anyone been on a cruise ship since coming down with EHS and how unbearable it may be.
 
I don't see how a metal vessel which is fully amped with wifi would be anything other than purely miserable. But if someone here suggests otherwise, I certainly do not want to lose my money.
 
To add insult to injury, I must fly to Miami to catch the cruise.  I haven't flown since 1999 and I wasn't suffering from EHS at that time.  Plus there weren't many cell phones and no laptops at the time.  I mean people had them, but I didn't see any (the fanaticism hadn't taken over.
 
What should I do?
Pam
 

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> Carnival said that for the past 6 years they have had wifi and cell phone service
> in the all of the cabins and that they had satelite wireless. 

This doesn't sound like a big deal -- this sounds like the ship has some wi-fi
transmitter / receivers around the ship, and also has a cellphone antenna.
The satellite part would be the communications between the ship and
the outside world.

You probably have far more wi-fi & cellphone towers around your home,
unless you live in the middle of nowhere.

It's been awhile since I went on a cruise, and I don't think they had wi-fi
or cellphone coverage back then.

Marc

Don't they have an emergency family or  death clause or something along those lines in their cancellation  policy?
Read their cancellation policy very carefully....might be something there you can use.
You may have to get very "creative" here to get a refund.
Lizzie

 



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Hi Guys,
 
Last year, I signed up for an anniversary group cruise with Carnival Destiny.  I was very concerned, but people were telling me that when they had gone on a cruise, they hadn't seen cell phones or laptops.  That might have been true at the time when they travelled.
 
Carnival said that for the past 6 years they have had wifi and cell phone service in the all of the cabins and that they had satelite wireless.  Once I discovered this I hoped the insurance would refund me, but they don't accept preexisting conditions and required a Dr.'s order or letter.  Does anyone know if there's a difference between satelite and regular wifi?
 
I couldn't get even a partial refund because both parties within the cabin must cancel for that to be possible.  I do not want to pay any additional fees or anything to go on a cruise that I feel could really exacerbate my condition.  But I wanted to ask you all had anyone been on a cruise ship since coming down with EHS and how unbearable it may be.
 
I don't see how a metal vessel which is fully amped with wifi would be anything other than purely miserable. But if someone here suggests otherwise, I certainly do not want to lose my money.
 
To add insult to injury, I must fly to Miami to catch the cruise.  I haven't flown since 1999 and I wasn't suffering from EHS at that time.  Plus there weren't many cell phones and no laptops at the time.  I mean people had them, but I didn't see any (the fanaticism hadn't taken over.
 
What should I do?
Pam
 

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Plus Marc, you don't seem to get the severe reaction that others do.
Personally? I wouldn't BET on it, that there wouldn't BE a bunch of
cell phones on that cruise ship. People don't go anywhere without their
cell phones/laptops/ ipods/ blackberries, ect these days.
To someone who reacts to this? All I can think of, wow, what a nice vacation-
sicker then a dog and trapped on a ship in the middle of no where!
LIzzie
 



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> Carnival said that for the past 6 years they have had wifi and cell phone service
> in the all of the cabins and that they had satelite wireless.  

This doesn't sound like a big deal -- this sounds like the ship has some wi-fi
transmitter / receivers around the ship, and also has a cellphone antenna.
The satellite part would be the communications between the ship and
the outside world.

You probably have far more wi-fi & cellphone towers around your home,
unless you live in the middle of nowhere.

It's been awhile since I went on a cruise, and I don't think they had wi-fi
or cellphone coverage back then.

Marc



     

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> All I can think of, wow, what a nice vacation-
> sicker then a dog and trapped on a ship in the middle of no where!

Yes, it is preferable not to be around large numbers of people (with
all of the electronics they bring along with them).  And certainly a
cruise ship has a large number of people!

Marc

Pam,
Here's some info...looks like it depends upon how early you cancel.
Still looking, so stay tuned for more info.
lizzie
Cancellation Policy
www.cruisereviews.com/cruise.../the-carnival-cruise-cancellation-poli...
The cancellation policy does not allow for a full refund unless the cruise is canceled 70 days in advance for trips up to 5 days or 80 days for cruises that are 6 to 9 days, for cruises other than the Cruise to Nowhere. The refund will then be a percentage up until 9 days or fewer prior to the cruise when there will be no refund. Cruisers should know that Carnival does not accept exceptions regardless of what happens to cause the cancellation.
Cruise to Nowhere
Carnival’s Cruise to Nowhere has a different cancellation policy, which states that regardless of the amount of time prior to the cancellation, cruisers will not receive their deposit back. Cruises to Alaska or cruises 10 days or longer will receive no refund if the cruise is canceled within the last 19 days.
 
Get real refunds from cruises, airlines and more - travel - Travel ...
today.msnbc.msn.com/...travel/.../get-real-refunds-cruises-airlines-mo...

 Yes, but it depends how close to the sailing date you are. For example-For 3, 4 and 5 night cruises, the following apply.

If you cancel over 60 days prior to sailing, you get a full refund.
60-39 days..You lose the entire deposit.
29-8 days..you lose 50% of total fare.
7 days or less...you lose at all.

Click link for full details.
<a href="http://vacationstogo.com/cruise_lines/pa…">http://vacationstogo.com/cruise_lines/pa…




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Hi Guys,
 
Last year, I signed up for an anniversary group cruise with Carnival Destiny.  I was very concerned, but people were telling me that when they had gone on a cruise, they hadn't seen cell phones or laptops.  That might have been true at the time when they travelled.
 
Carnival said that for the past 6 years they have had wifi and cell phone service in the all of the cabins and that they had satelite wireless.  Once I discovered this I hoped the insurance would refund me, but they don't accept preexisting conditions and required a Dr.'s order or letter.  Does anyone know if there's a difference between satelite and regular wifi?
 
I couldn't get even a partial refund because both parties within the cabin must cancel for that to be possible.  I do not want to pay any additional fees or anything to go on a cruise that I feel could really exacerbate my condition.  But I wanted to ask you all had anyone been on a cruise ship since coming down with EHS and how unbearable it may be.
 
I don't see how a metal vessel which is fully amped with wifi would be anything other than purely miserable. But if someone here suggests otherwise, I certainly do not want to lose my money.
 
To add insult to injury, I must fly to Miami to catch the cruise.  I haven't flown since 1999 and I wasn't suffering from EHS at that time.  Plus there weren't many cell phones and no laptops at the time.  I mean people had them, but I didn't see any (the fanaticism hadn't taken over.
 
What should I do?
Pam
 

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Lizzie,
 
I should have contacted the cruise ship before.  But I thought the agent was the "go to."
I had even told the agent once that wireless makes me really sick.  It never occurred to her and I never thought to ask.  People had given me the impression that phone and laptop would be no big deal on a cruise, that most people would be engaging in vacation type stuff. So I was skeptical, but hopeful.
 
After we paid off the cruise in January, the agent said that I needed to go to the Cruise web and to deal with them from then on..  So when I got to the  FAQ's part, of course cell phone and WI-FI were the first things I looked up and they were both plentiful.  The problem wouldn't necessarily have been people with devices slaying me.  When they said that every cabin came equipped I certainly had significant doubts. 
 
I just thought that it would be wiser to experiment with a 2 day cruise to "nowhere," than a full blown 5 day/4 night experiment.
 
I will lose the money I invested, but I intend to make it back by working on those days that I would have been sailing.  I wasn't thrilled about taking the flight to Miami either.  Some of them were over 4 hours.  Then to do that twice after enduring the potential microwvae oven for 5 days.  I wasn't ready.  Hopefully, I'll get better shielding in the future.  The shielding that has been so successful in keeping me much saner, is wearing down and now I must invest in something new.  God bless the independently wealthy or at least the well employed.
 
Right now, I'm getting totally toasted in my living room.  WI-FI stabbing me in the back.  It actually feels like its twisting. Constant WI-FI frying at the hospital where I work.  Then to experience this on a so-called vacation that costed a fortune.  No..I am soooo not ready for that.
 
I am hoping that Marc will be right when I finally take my 2 day "experiment" cruise without pre and post flying-- just out of New York City.
 
You guys are so great.  Thank you so much!!!

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Plus Marc, you don't seem to get the severe reaction that others do.
Personally? I wouldn't BET on it, that there wouldn't BE a bunch of
cell phones on that cruise ship. People don't go anywhere without their
cell phones/laptops/ ipods/ blackberries, ect these days.
To someone who reacts to this? All I can think of, wow, what a nice vacation-
sicker then a dog and trapped on a ship in the middle of no where!
LIzzie


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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:23:09 -0800
Subject: Re: [eSens] Question about cruise ships...

> Carnival said that for the past 6 years they have had wifi and cell phone service
> in the all of the cabins and that they had satelite wireless.

This doesn't sound like a big deal -- this sounds like the ship has some wi-fi
transmitter / receivers around the ship, and also has a cellphone antenna.
The satellite part would be the communications between the ship and
the outside world.

You probably have far more wi-fi & cellphone towers around your home,
unless you live in the middle of nowhere.

It's been awhile since I went on a cruise, and I don't think they had wi-fi
or cellphone coverage back then.

Marc



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Hi Marc,
 
This is what I'm told.  If after I get one of those Quantum Pro things to wear around with me (providing it helps me).  Or if I can extend my shielding by purchasing this Argenmesh fabric I've been told about. I want to try a 1 or 2 day cruise to "nowhere" and if it's like you suggested then I'll feel more ready for something grander.
 
I understood what you said in relation to the towers and WI-FI here at home.  Sometimes it's a killer and sometimes it's not.  There is a possibility that being on the ocean and on the decks at times may not be so bad. Afterall, people are on vacation.  Yet, those that are addicted to phone carry them around for internet and music.  I'll let you guys know if I ever take the plunge.
 
It's soooo sad that everything is frikking microwaved now.  People used to talk about the end of the world and I would say, "perhaps the end of the world as we knew it."  I had no idea this was going to be it.  Perhaps it's the beginning of the end.
 
Thank you.  You guys are great.
Pam


--- On Thu, 2/2/12, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


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> All I can think of, wow, what a nice vacation-
> sicker then a dog and trapped on a ship in the middle of no where!

Yes, it is preferable not to be around large numbers of people (with
all of the electronics they bring along with them). And certainly a
cruise ship has a large number of people!

Marc







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Thank you so much,
 
That was really very sweet of you.  You always go above and beyond to help.  You are a blessing.  I mentioned my position to you when I sent you the longer email.
 
Have a great weekend!

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Pam,
Here's some info...looks like it depends upon how early you cancel.
Still looking, so stay tuned for more info.
lizzie
Cancellation Policy
www.cruisereviews.com/cruise.../the-carnival-cruise-cancellation-poli...
The cancellation policy does not allow for a full refund unless the cruise is canceled 70 days in advance for trips up to 5 days or 80 days for cruises that are 6 to 9 days, for cruises other than the Cruise to Nowhere. The refund will then be a percentage up until 9 days or fewer prior to the cruise when there will be no refund. Cruisers should know that Carnival does not accept exceptions regardless of what happens to cause the cancellation.
Cruise to Nowhere
Carnival’s Cruise to Nowhere has a different cancellation policy, which states that regardless of the amount of time prior to the cancellation, cruisers will not receive their deposit back. Cruises to Alaska or cruises 10 days or longer will receive no refund if the cruise is canceled within the last 19 days.

Get real refunds from cruises, airlines and more - travel - Travel ...
today.msnbc.msn.com/...travel/.../get-real-refunds-cruises-airlines-mo...

Yes, but it depends how close to the sailing date you are. For example-For 3, 4 and 5 night cruises, the following apply.

If you cancel over 60 days prior to sailing, you get a full refund.
60-39 days..You lose the entire deposit.
29-8 days..you lose 50% of total fare.
7 days or less...you lose at all.

Click link for full details.
http://vacationstogo.com/cruise_lines/pa…




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Date: Thu, 2 Feb 2012 13:13:56 -0800
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Hi Guys,

Last year, I signed up for an anniversary group cruise with Carnival Destiny.  I was very concerned, but people were telling me that when they had gone on a cruise, they hadn't seen cell phones or laptops.  That might have been true at the time when they travelled.

Carnival said that for the past 6 years they have had wifi and cell phone service in the all of the cabins and that they had satelite wireless.  Once I discovered this I hoped the insurance would refund me, but they don't accept preexisting conditions and required a Dr.'s order or letter.  Does anyone know if there's a difference between satelite and regular wifi?

I couldn't get even a partial refund because both parties within the cabin must cancel for that to be possible.  I do not want to pay any additional fees or anything to go on a cruise that I feel could really exacerbate my condition.  But I wanted to ask you all had anyone been on a cruise ship since coming down with EHS and how unbearable it may be.

I don't see how a metal vessel which is fully amped with wifi would be anything other than purely miserable. But if someone here suggests otherwise, I certainly do not want to lose my money.

To add insult to injury, I must fly to Miami to catch the cruise.  I haven't flown since 1999 and I wasn't suffering from EHS at that time.  Plus there weren't many cell phones and no laptops at the time.  I mean people had them, but I didn't see any (the fanaticism hadn't taken over.

What should I do?
Pam


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> I understood what you said in relation to the towers and WI-FI here at home. 
> Sometimes it's a killer and sometimes it's not. 

On the ship, they would most likely have the minimum number of wi-fi
transmitters to guarantee you have a connection from your room.  So
I would think that only 1 or 2 would be in range from any given location.  
Compare that to a city neighborhood, where there are far too many wi-fi
transmitters in range (last time I checked, there were over 20 in range
from my living room).

Also, one advantage on a cruise is that you probably don't have a lot
of radio and TV transmitters nearby.  Or Microwave repeaters.

> There is a possibility that
> being on the ocean and on the decks at times may not be so bad. Afterall,
> people are on vacation.

Also, cruise goers tend to be older (aren't they?), who are less likely
to be addicted to their gadgets.

Marc

Thanks Marc.  I'll see one day, I hope.  Have a good weekend!


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> I understood what you said in relation to the towers and WI-FI here at home. 
> Sometimes it's a killer and sometimes it's not. 

On the ship, they would most likely have the minimum number of wi-fi
transmitters to guarantee you have a connection from your room. So
I would think that only 1 or 2 would be in range from any given location.
Compare that to a city neighborhood, where there are far too many wi-fi
transmitters in range (last time I checked, there were over 20 in range
from my living room).

Also, one advantage on a cruise is that you probably don't have a lot
of radio and TV transmitters nearby. Or Microwave repeaters.

> There is a possibility that
> being on the ocean and on the decks at times may not be so bad. Afterall,
> people are on vacation.

Also, cruise goers tend to be older (aren't they?), who are less likely
to be addicted to their gadgets.

Marc







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On a cruise, besides the possible exposure you might receive on deck from cell phones or cell antenna on board, or from having a live WI-FI connection in your room, consider that cruise ships often sit in harbors for days.  The occupants of the cruise sleep on the ship while it is docked in the harbor.  Oftentimes these harbors are near downtown areas of cities which are microwave jungles and have high radio wave and RADAR exposure. 


C. Johnson
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Wireless Refugee

--- On Thu, 2/2/12, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]> wrote

Last year, I signed up for an anniversary group cruise with Carnival Destiny.  I was very concerned, but people were telling me that when they had gone on a cruise, they hadn't seen cell phones or laptops.  That might have been true at the time when they travelled.

 

Carnival said that for the past 6 years they have had wifi and cell phone service in the all of the cabins and that they had satelite wireless.  Once I discovered this I hoped the insurance would refund me, but they don't accept preexisting conditions and required a Dr.'s order or letter.  Does anyone know if there's a difference between satelite and regular wifi.










 





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Hi

My ES friend went on a cruise ship last year, and it made her sick - both the Radar and the energy savers in the cabin.  (And probably other stuff as well).

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>My ES friend went on a cruise ship last year, and it made her sick -
>both the Radar and the energy savers in the cabin.

Yes, when going on vacation, one should consider if they want to
bring along their own incandescent light bulbs... :-)

Marc

Question for mark  (or anyone really) . Hey Mark I'm currently away from home ( and bulbs). They only have those horrible energy savers where I'm staying,  but I have  seen some  LED in the supermarket up the road. Having never used them before I want to make sure they are Kosher before splashing out. Can you give me any feedback on how they compare to Incandescents in terms of symptoms, as they are quite pricey, but equally I'm away for the next two months and can't tolerate the curly bulbs any longer.

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>My ES friend went on a cruise ship last year, and it made her sick -
>both the Radar and the energy savers in the cabin.

Yes, when going on vacation, one should consider if they want to
bring along their own incandescent light bulbs... :-)

Marc

 

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We haven't had a lot of feedback with LED lights, presumably
because they are so expensive.  It seems like some LEDs might
be bad, while others are good.  Depending on the type of
transformers they use (if any).  I don't personally know of
any way to distinguish the good ones from the bad ones, or
knowing if the bad ones are really that bad (?)

Maybe someone else has more experience with these?

Marc

On Sun, Feb 5, 2012, at 05:14 PM, ada iye wrote:

Marc Martin wrote:
> We haven't had a lot of feedback with LED lights, presumably
> because they are so expensive.
That and we are very leery of more technology being the answer to
needing less technology!


>   It seems like some LEDs might
> be bad, while others are good.  Depending on the type of
> transformers they use (if any).  I don't personally know of
> any way to distinguish the good ones from the bad ones, or
> knowing if the bad ones are really that bad (?)
>
> Maybe someone else has more experience with these?
>  

Correct. Too many variances in design to distinguish which are better.
The only LED lights I have found to be totally quiet were the early ones
without the higher power requirements, (thus bigger transformer, to put
it simply).

Looks like I have only one picture online of the ones I bought in 2006
with 18 leds:
http://seahorseCorral.org/images/emf/20090107_led_bulb_meters_1931-800.jpg

I'll have to take some pictures and work up a table I suppose.
But in short, I tried 3 designs back in 2009, didn't like them as they
were noisy, one in particular really made a high pitched whine.
Finally last October I tried a couple with more lumens, as that has
always been the problem with LED bulbs, not very bright.
108-LED cylinder 7W 750 lumens, is tolerable, but wouldn't want it in my
room on all the time. Put it in the hallway.
44-SMD cylinder 8W 2420 lumens, nosier (more than slightly) probably as
the SMD type draws more current, but corrects the color issue, it is a
warmer light. A new problem with SMD is that it flickers. That is annoying.
Didn't show very much on the meters, but were noticeable. Exact numbers
will require a re-test.

In short the LED bulbs are much better than CFL lighting, but unless you
can run 12V DC lighting, I'm still not satisfied. Stick to incandescent
bulbs.

Stewart

Wow! I didn't realize that this Q/A picked up steam over the weekend.  Of course, you painted a very dismal picture.  I could tolerate people at all before I got some shielding fabric from LessEMF.  That fabric has helped exponentially. But its not free and The little piece I could afford is no longer suitable to be seen in public, let alone on a luxury cruise.
 
Thanks for the insight.
Pam

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On a cruise, besides the possible exposure you might receive on deck from cell phones or cell antenna on board, or from having a live WI-FI connection in your room, consider that cruise ships often sit in harbors for days.  The occupants of the cruise sleep on the ship while it is docked in the harbor.  Oftentimes these harbors are near downtown areas of cities which are microwave jungles and have high radio wave and RADAR exposure. 

C. Johnson
[hidden email]
Wireless Refugee

--- On Thu, 2/2/12, pamela clemonts <[hidden email]> wrote

Last year, I signed up for an anniversary group cruise with Carnival Destiny. I was very concerned, but people were telling me that when they had gone on a cruise, they hadn't seen cell phones or laptops. That might have been true at the time when they travelled.

Carnival said that for the past 6 years they have had wifi and cell phone service in the all of the cabins and that they had satelite wireless. Once I discovered this I hoped the insurance would refund me, but they don't accept preexisting conditions and required a Dr.'s order or letter. Does anyone know if there's a difference between satelite and regular wifi.

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Wow.  Thanks so much for that.  How many days was she on the ship?

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Hi

My ES friend went on a cruise ship last year, and it made her sick - both the Radar and the energy savers in the cabin. (And probably other stuff as well).

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Oh Marc...that's insightful.  They would be a killah! Ouch! I would never have thought about bringing light bulbs onto a cruise.

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>My ES friend went on a cruise ship last year, and it made her sick -
>both the Radar and the energy savers in the cabin.

Yes, when going on vacation, one should consider if they want to
bring along their own incandescent light bulbs... :-)

Marc







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