PERSONAL EMF PROTECTION - TO HELP WITH EMF WHILE I AM ON THE MOVE

Hello everyone

This is my first real post on this site although I have been reading
posts for some months now and am really glad to know that there are
many other souls in the same boat as i am.

I developed ES about a year ago and am now quite hypersensitive -
although this reduces when I deliberately stay out of environments
which are low in EMF [lots of time at the beach and in the
countryside]but this has forced me into a type of hermit like
lifestyle which isn't ideal.  

I would like to buy some sort of device which would offer me
protection away from my home - so that I could travel to visit
friends and relatives without feeling so much discomfort - I was
thinking of some sort of pendant type thing - I have seen some of
these on some of my very brief internet searches [can't tolerate
computer use for more than 30mins at a time] but don't know which of
them would work.

I am desperate for any advice or personal experience people have had
with this type of thing - any thoughts any of you might have on this
would be a huge help.

best wishes to all - Daragh

> I would like to buy some sort of device which would offer me
> protection away from my home - so that I could travel to visit
> friends and relatives without feeling so much discomfort - I was
> thinking of some sort of pendant type thing - I have seen some of
> these on some of my very brief internet searches

I've bought dozens of different types of personal EMF protection
devices over the years, but only a very few actually help me in
real-world conditions. Typically what I use varies with my
level of health, but for the past few months at least I've been
mostly using all (or most) of the following:

Quantum Companion -- this can stifle my "burning skin" symptoms,
redness in skin, feeling like I'm detoxing too quickly. Also
I can turn it off if I feel that I'm overdoing it and the
device itself is contributing to symptoms (e.g. anxiety):

http://quantumproducts.com/catalog/quantum_companion.html

Springlife Polarizer (Small, stainless steel) -- this seems to
be the exact opposite of the Quantum Companion, and overuse
can actually contribute to burning skin symptoms, redness in
skin, and feeling like I'm detoxing too quickly! It does
help alleviate my allergies, sensitivity to chemicals, and
improve energy levels, and it certainly can reduce a bad
reaction to some kinds of EMF:

http://choosecra.com/store/tech/splf-silver-pendants.html

Tachyon armbands - this also helps with bad reactions to
EMF, and also improves energy levels (especially if I
tape them in the vicinity of my adrenal glands!) Don't
need to wear them on your wrists -- you can simply stuff
them into a pocket if you want, or around your ankles,
etc. Also, if they turn out to be too strong, you can
cut them up into smaller pieces! I don't have a direct
link to these, but you can find them through this website:

http://www.tachyonsales.com/

Please note that everyone is different, and what works
for me may not work for you!

Marc

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Hi all



we tried the Tacyon pendents: they didn't work at all.

Frankly speaking, I have a lot of doubts if any of the above 'tools' can
filter EMF or modify the allergenes' pathways just because we would
wrear it !

It's illogic and , according to me, it seams created by 'witch doctors'
!




> Please note that everyone is different, and what works
> for me may not work for you!
>
> Marc
>

Save your money. Those devices do not do enough for those of us that are extra sensitive to electricity. I have tried them all and wish I had all my money back.
Melinda
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Subject: [eSens] PERSONAL EMF PROTECTION - TO HELP WITH EMF WHILE I AM ON THE MOVE


Hello everyone

This is my first real post on this site although I have been reading
posts for some months now and am really glad to know that there are
many other souls in the same boat as i am.

I developed ES about a year ago and am now quite hypersensitive -
although this reduces when I deliberately stay out of environments
which are low in EMF [lots of time at the beach and in the
countryside]but this has forced me into a type of hermit like
lifestyle which isn't ideal.

I would like to buy some sort of device which would offer me
protection away from my home - so that I could travel to visit
friends and relatives without feeling so much discomfort - I was
thinking of some sort of pendant type thing - I have seen some of
these on some of my very brief internet searches [can't tolerate
computer use for more than 30mins at a time] but don't know which of
them would work.

I am desperate for any advice or personal experience people have had
with this type of thing - any thoughts any of you might have on this
would be a huge help.

best wishes to all - Daragh


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MELINDA HONN wrote:
> Save your money. Those devices do not do enough for those of us
> that are extra sensitive to electricity. I have tried them all

Melinda, you say that you've tried all of the EMF protection
devices? How many is that, exactly?

I can think of 50 - 100 different devices, and I cannot imagine
someone trying them all!

Marc

I tried the necklaces, numerous plug in devices, appliances you carry in your pocket, shields, shield cloth, barrier fabrics, diodes for electronics, special wiring, and you name it. I have had great success spending money on things like on-off switches for electronics and avoidance though. I agree my statement was broad, but still stand by it as a general concept. I think by the time we are so hyper-electrically sensitive the devices sold for emf's are mostly too little of a fix, too late to help much. Just my opinion, but this is the U.S. and we each get to have one.
Melinda
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MELINDA HONN wrote:
> Save your money. Those devices do not do enough for those of us
> that are extra sensitive to electricity. I have tried them all

Melinda, you say that you've tried all of the EMF protection
devices? How many is that, exactly?

I can think of 50 - 100 different devices, and I cannot imagine
someone trying them all!

Marc

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I guess I'm not the only one after all. Hmmm. Even a support group for Electrically Sensitive. Oh, I know Melinda by the way. She lives in Snow Flake.Loni

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From: MELINDA HONN <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] PERSONAL EMF PROTECTION - TO HELP WITH EMF WHILE I AM ON THE MOVE
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 10:31 AM






I tried the necklaces, numerous plug in devices, appliances you carry in your pocket, shields, shield cloth, barrier fabrics, diodes for electronics, special wiring, and you name it. I have had great success spending money onthings like on-off switches for electronics and avoidance though. I agree my statement was broad, but still stand by it as a general concept. I thinkby the time we are so hyper-electrically sensitive the devices sold for emf's are mostly too little of a fix, too late to help much. Just my opinion,but this is the U.S. and we each get to have one.
Melinda
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From: Marc Martin<mailto:marc@ufoseries. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com<mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] PERSONAL EMF PROTECTION - TO HELP WITH EMF WHILE I AM ON THE MOVE

MELINDA HONN wrote:
> Save your money. Those devices do not do enough for those of us
> that are extra sensitive to electricity. I have tried them all

Melinda, you say that you've tried all of the EMF protection
devices? How many is that, exactly?

I can think of 50 - 100 different devices, and I cannot imagine
someone trying them all!

Marc

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Oh I meant to send this to my unbelieving husband. Sorry. Loni

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From: Loni Rosser <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] PERSONAL EMF PROTECTION - TO HELP WITH EMF WHILE I AM ON THE MOVE
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 10:55 AM






I guess I'm not the only one after all. Hmmm. Even a support group for Electrically Sensitive. Oh, I know Melinda by the way. She lives in Snow Flake.Loni

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From: MELINDA HONN <phxhealchapter@ msn.com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] PERSONAL EMF PROTECTION - TO HELP WITH EMF WHILE I AM ON THE MOVE
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 10:31 AM

I tried the necklaces, numerous plug in devices, appliances you carry in your pocket, shields, shield cloth, barrier fabrics, diodes for electronics, special wiring, and you name it. I have had great success spending money onthings like on-off switches for electronics and avoidance though. I agree my statement was broad, but still stand by it as a general concept. I thinkby the time we are so hyper-electrically sensitive the devices sold for emf's are mostly too little of a fix, too late to help much. Just my opinion,but this is the U.S. and we each get to have one.
Melinda
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From: Marc Martin<mailto: marc@ufoseries. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com<mailto:eSens@ yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Thursday, July 24, 2008 7:28 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] PERSONAL EMF PROTECTION - TO HELP WITH EMF WHILE I AM ON THE MOVE

MELINDA HONN wrote:
> Save your money. Those devices do not do enough for those of us
> that are extra sensitive to electricity. I have tried them all

Melinda, you say that you've tried all of the EMF protection
devices? How many is that, exactly?

I can think of 50 - 100 different devices, and I cannot imagine
someone trying them all!

Marc

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> I tried the necklaces, numerous plug in devices, appliances you carry in
> your pocket, shields, shield cloth, barrier fabrics, diodes for electronics,
> special wiring, and you name it.

Okay, thanks for that. I've personally had better luck with devices than
you have, even when I was ultra-sensitive. But I agree that there were a
lot that I tried that did not help one bit. And certainly, if you are in a
situation where avoidance is an option, then that is probably the best
option. But if one wants to participate in life, avoidance is not
practical in many situations, and in those situations EMF devices can be
useful, if you find the right one(s) that work for you.

Marc

Anyone have anything for cell antenna's that are killing me. They are everywhere & I am in so much pain. Trying to see my family & it is just impossible. skin burns. I'm at my wits end. Loni

--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] PERSONAL EMF PROTECTION - TO HELP WITH EMF WHILE I AM ON THE MOVE
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 11:27 AM






> I tried the necklaces, numerous plug in devices, appliances you carry in
> your pocket, shields, shield cloth, barrier fabrics, diodes for electronics,
> special wiring, and you name it.

Okay, thanks for that. I've personally had better luck with devices than
you have, even when I was ultra-sensitive. But I agree that there were a
lot that I tried that did not help one bit. And certainly, if you are in a
situation where avoidance is an option, then that is probably the best
option. But if one wants to participate in life, avoidance is not
practical in many situations, and in those situations EMF devices can be
useful, if you find the right one(s) that work for you.

Marc
 














     

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In a message dated 28/07/2008 19:27:52 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes:

>>>>>>But if one wants to participate in life, avoidance is not
practical in many situations, and in those situations EMF devices can be
useful, if you find the right one(s) that work for you>>>>>>

Some people find they can use do-it-yourself kinesiology to check what EMR
devices are harmful and what remedies can work.

The do-it-yourself test is called the Bi-Directional O-Ring Test, BDORT,and
you will find it described here

http://www.electrosensitivity.co.uk/5.html

There is an interview with a kinesiologist here

http://www.electrosensitivity.co.uk/10.html

Best wishes

John

http://www.electrosensitivity.co.uk







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> Trying to see my family & it is just impossible. skin burns.

Is skin burning the only symptom you're trying to overcome?
Is it just in the face, or elsewhere?

You might want to research that particular symptom, as I'm
sure there are more things than just EMF that can cause
burning skin. I get the best relief from burning skin
using the devices you already tried and returned (Quantum
Products), but next up I guess I'd try some kind of
antioxidant supplement or perhaps an essential fatty acid
supplement? For me, "H-Minus" from e3Live helps relieve
burning skin:

http://www.e3live.com/all_products/h_minus.html
(note the $13 trial size!)

Also, Shikai Dry Skin Therapy skin lotion is helpful:

http://www.shikai.com/products/borage_order.htm

The skin lotion can probably be found in any health
food store.

Marc

I take 1 teaspoon of cod-liver oil in the morning and 1 tsp of fish
oil with dinner. I used to have major itching so bad on my back that
I would scratch til I bled. I having really experienced the feeling
of burning skin that I recall. I don't have problems with itching
anymore and I still have a cell tower about a block away. Fish oils
and omega-3's in general are good for a lot of things (and I don't
even know that the cell tower caused the itching). I noticed the
difference clearly within about one month. Also taking something to
build up your immune system. I drink kefir daily (homemade with raw
milk) and after a few months of this I noticed improvements in my
health.... less feelings of stress.

Kathy

--- In [hidden email], Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:
>
> Anyone have anything for cell antenna's that are killing me. They
are everywhere & I am in so much pain. Trying to see my family & it
is just impossible. skin burns. I'm at my wits end. Loni
>
> --- On Mon, 7/28/08, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] PERSONAL EMF PROTECTION - TO HELP WITH EMF
WHILE I AM ON THE MOVE
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 11:27 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I tried the necklaces, numerous plug in devices, appliances you
carry in
> > your pocket, shields, shield cloth, barrier fabrics, diodes for
electronics,
> > special wiring, and you name it.
>
> Okay, thanks for that. I've personally had better luck with devices
than
> you have, even when I was ultra-sensitive. But I agree that there
were a
> lot that I tried that did not help one bit. And certainly, if you
are in a
> situation where avoidance is an option, then that is probably the
best
> option. But if one wants to participate in life, avoidance is not
> practical in many situations, and in those situations EMF devices
can be

[hidden email] writes:

Oh I meant to send this to my unbelieving husband. Sorry. Loni

Loni, I hope your dh believes you soon. That can be so hard. For me, it's my
17 year old son that gives me the hardest time, but my dh is supportive, so I
understand.
Amy



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what is the best way to sheild from the KHZ frequencies, say 0-1600khz they
seem to go through/around everything -

Puk






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> what is the best way to sheild from the KHZ frequencies, say 0-1600khz they seem to go through/around
> everything -

kHz magnetic field is difficult.
Use Finemet http://www.lessemf.com/mag-shld.html#271
You will see from the performance graph, that you can obtain 10-25 dB attenuation over the kHz range.

Emil

Hi, Marc and Loni,
 
Yes, I get skin burning from glutens, pesticides, various chemicals, and molds, besides emfs/magnetic frequencies.  It has been postulated by some alternative docs that I may be experiencing a type of autonomic neruopathy or small-fiber neuropathy, but I have not checked this out as I am rather AMA doctor phobic and I'd like to hang onto my money for other things right now. ;) If you are not getting headaches and other symptoms, then the possibility exists that what you are experiencing might not be ES (tho for you to come to this conclusion probably means it is--ES isn't the first place people look to to explain their symptoms.)
 
As to the helps that Marc mentions, the hydrogen supplement helps me in other ways than just for the burning (with energy depletion, bp plummeting, body temp, heart rate...), as does alkalizing my water (or alkalizing in general).  Alkalizing as a whole has an affect on the adrenal glands--acidic metabolism causes a rise in serotonin secretion (in the body, not thebrain).  It is my understanding that serotonin also has a role to play in helping regulate the autonomic system (with the adrenal glands). When the hormone is out of sinc with the other hormones or too abundant, the autonomic system can malfunction.  Hydrogen causes alkalization and a lessening of serotonin dumping (as do a number of other supplements--NADH is similar tho expensive; if my memory serves, rhodeola rosea is another herbal supplement that can alkalize/affect the hydrogen in your body, tho when I tried it, it was less potent than what I needed.)   And, it could be
that the hydrogen products are working just because they provide negative ions for the positive ions from emf/magnetic frequencies to bond to, thus keeping your body from becoming too acid and causing serotonin dumping from that.

Calcium AEP and pantethine and co-Q10 are all supplements that help the adrenals and the autonomic system, (as a result of helping the adrenals, if not directly). CoQ10, cal AEP, and pantethine also help the lymphatic system, which can be a factor in who develops ES. I am not positive (I have notes somewhere but I am packing to move and everything is in disarray), but I think coQ10, cal AEP, and pantethine are also supplements that affect the liver detox phases. So, what I am saying is, to some degree, any or all of these should help you on an ongoing basis, not necessarily just when you are on the road (tho I can understand needing helps for this as well). And Iam saying also, that if Marc likes the "H-minus" product for this, there is some evidence as to why and how it works. Marc and I have had this conversation before and I use "Hydrogen Booster" (which I believe Marc recommended to me), but there are certainly other hydrogen boosting products
out there which will also work.  

These are not the only supplements which work for ES. I find balancing electrolytes helps (I esp like a product called "Electro-blast", but I don't like to order online and have not been able to order this for sometime by phone, so do not know whether they are still in business.) Omega oils, fattyacids, lipids--this whole line of supplements seem to help me in particular ratios--I couldn't possibly suggest amounts and products for these, as these seem to be supplements which you have to tweak to your own body's needs. For me personally, any supplements which help my liver also help the ES.This includes supplements which address liver detox pathway issues.

Also, you can experiment with various types of jewelry that you own. I have experimented with wearing a stainless steel necklace and bracelet. If I wear them next to my skin, it causes worse burning and pain. It works if Iwear them over clothing (needs to be rather thick, so this might not work for you in the desert this time of year! lol) But certainly try things like this by sitting them close to you or in front of you if you cannot wear it. Try silver, crystals, gems, etc--various gems and crystals also have absorbing properties. Esp try strings of beads which have no metal clasps. It is a bit like trees--if you can attract the emfs to another object, thenthey can sometimes be less attracted to you. ALSO along this vein, the REMOVAL of jewelry might help. Wires in eyeglasses, underwire bras, your wedding ring...  

What helps me most in the car is film on windows and aluminum foil on the sunvisors which I can put up and down as a shield from particular directions. (And which doesn't always work if there is a tower behind you somewhere.)

Good luck, Loni. So much of this is trial and error that you just have to work at until you find a solution.
Diane

--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 5:44 PM






> Trying to see my family & it is just impossible. skin burns.

Is skin burning the only symptom you're trying to overcome?
Is it just in the face, or elsewhere?

You might want to research that particular symptom, as I'm
sure there are more things than just EMF that can cause
burning skin. I get the best relief from burning skin
using the devices you already tried and returned (Quantum
Products), but next up I guess I'd try some kind of
antioxidant supplement or perhaps an essential fatty acid
supplement? For me, "H-Minus" from e3Live helps relieve
burning skin:

http://www.e3live. com/all_products /h_minus. html
(note the $13 trial size!)

Also, Shikai Dry Skin Therapy skin lotion is helpful:

http://www.shikai. com/products/ borage_order. htm

The skin lotion can probably be found in any health
food store.

Marc



     

> And I am saying also, that if Marc
> likes the "H-minus" product for this, there is some evidence as to why
> and how it works. Marc and I have had this conversation before and I use
> "Hydrogen Booster" (which I believe Marc recommended to me), but there
> are certainly other hydrogen boosting products

"Hydrogen Boost" from Source Naturals is essentially the same thing
as "H-Minus" from e3Live. I think it is easier to find Hydrogen
Boost in local health food stores, but I prefer the H-Minus because
it is available as a powder. For me, the powder has 3 advantages:

* there are no fillers in it, so I know I won't have a bad
reaction to the fillers

* I can easily use tiny doses, smaller than what's in a
capsule. The dose I usually take is about 1/4 of what's
in a capsule (I seem to do best with small doses of most
supplements)

* you notice instant benefits, as you don't have to
wait for the capsule to dissolve and have it processed
through your stomach (this stuff seems to get into your
bloodstream just by being in your mouth)

Marc

No I am in severe pain in my gut & I am very nervous here as well as skin burning. It is definitely the RF from the 5 or 6 cell towers near my house. I can see them out the back window. They have a direct shot in to my house & my house was tested very high.
Loni

--- On Mon, 7/28/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, July 28, 2008, 2:44 PM






> Trying to see my family & it is just impossible. skin burns.

Is skin burning the only symptom you're trying to overcome?
Is it just in the face, or elsewhere?

You might want to research that particular symptom, as I'm
sure there are more things than just EMF that can cause
burning skin. I get the best relief from burning skin
using the devices you already tried and returned (Quantum
Products), but next up I guess I'd try some kind of
antioxidant supplement or perhaps an essential fatty acid
supplement? For me, "H-Minus" from e3Live helps relieve
burning skin:

http://www.e3live. com/all_products /h_minus. html
(note the $13 trial size!)

Also, Shikai Dry Skin Therapy skin lotion is helpful:

http://www.shikai. com/products/ borage_order. htm

The skin lotion can probably be found in any health
food store.

Marc
 














     

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Yes, I figured you must be having more symptoms than just skin burning.
I'm familiar with the "very nervous" symptom, but again for this I'd
look at antioxidants and fats, or possibly something that binds onto
toxins (activated charcoal, apple pectin, bentonite, possibly
chlorella).

I'm not familiar with the "severe pain in gut" symptom -- anyone
else here have this, and have a solution for it?

Marc

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT), "Loni Rosser" <[hidden email]> said:
> No I am in severe pain in my gut & I am very nervous here as well as skin
> burning. It is definitely the RF from the 5 or 6 cell towers near my
> house. I can see them out the back window. They have a direct shot in to
> my house & my house was tested very high.