PERSONAL EMF PROTECTION - TO HELP WITH EMF WHILE I AM ON THE MOVE

Thanks Marc

-- On Wed, 7/30/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 11:32 AM






Yes, I figured you must be having more symptoms than just skin burning.
I'm familiar with the "very nervous" symptom, but again for this I'd
look at antioxidants and fats, or possibly something that binds onto
toxins (activated charcoal, apple pectin, bentonite, possibly
chlorella).

I'm not familiar with the "severe pain in gut" symptom -- anyone
else here have this, and have a solution for it?

Marc

On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT), "Loni Rosser" <loni326@yahoo. com> said:
> No I am in severe pain in my gut & I am very nervous here as well as skin
> burning. It is definitely the RF from the 5 or 6 cell towers near my
> house. I can see them out the back window. They have a direct shot in to
> my house & my house was tested very high.

 














     

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> I'm not familiar with the "severe pain in gut" symptom -- anyone
> else here have this, and have a solution for it?

Actually, I'm wondering if the pain in gut might be a bacterial
/ parasitic problem worsened by EMF exposure? Do you have any
reaction to anti-bacterial / anti-parasitic substances? Things
like grapefruit seed extract, garlic, oil of oregano? Maybe
even a probiotic? On the subject of probiotics, I've noted
that "Primal Defense" can reliably reduce some of my ES
symptoms. Primal Defense has a bunch of stuff in it, so
I'm not 100% sure that it's the probiotic part of it that
helps.

Marc

Hello,

"severe pain in gut" is a well known symptom of a number of
electrosensibles.
It can be from the stomach or the intestines, or both.

A number of women do have problems with the urinary tracks, and experience
unvoluntary watering, even without doing it at that moment.

It is all a matter of very damaged immune system.
If you are able to raise the immune system, the sensibility for elektrosmog
wil be less.
It will not go over, but it will be less.
So the suffering will be less.

Complaining and using some *things* is not the solution.
First the immune system must be repaired, and only then those *things* will
help.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Nope, goes away when I get away from cell towers. Loni

--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 11:41 AM






> I'm not familiar with the "severe pain in gut" symptom -- anyone
> else here have this, and have a solution for it?

Actually, I'm wondering if the pain in gut might be a bacterial
/ parasitic problem worsened by EMF exposure? Do you have any
reaction to anti-bacterial / anti-parasitic substances? Things
like grapefruit seed extract, garlic, oil of oregano? Maybe
even a probiotic? On the subject of probiotics, I've noted
that "Primal Defense" can reliably reduce some of my ES
symptoms. Primal Defense has a bunch of stuff in it, so
I'm not 100% sure that it's the probiotic part of it that
helps.

Marc
 














     

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Yes I think you are correct. Loni

--- On Wed, 7/30/08, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 11:59 AM

Hello,

"severe pain in gut" is a well known symptom of a number of
electrosensibles.
It can be from the stomach or the intestines, or both.

A number of women do have problems with the urinary tracks, and experience
unvoluntary watering, even without doing it at that moment.

It is all a matter of very damaged immune system.
If you are able to raise the immune system, the sensibility for elektrosmog
wil be less.
It will not go over, but it will be less.
So the suffering will be less.

Complaining and using some *things* is not the solution.
First the immune system must be repaired, and only then those *things* will
help.


Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Bitdefender



----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, July 30, 2008 8:32 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin


> Yes, I figured you must be having more symptoms than just skin burning.
> I'm familiar with the "very nervous" symptom, but again for
this I'd
> look at antioxidants and fats, or possibly something that binds onto
> toxins (activated charcoal, apple pectin, bentonite, possibly
> chlorella).
>
> I'm not familiar with the "severe pain in gut" symptom --
anyone
> else here have this, and have a solution for it?
>
> Marc
>
> On Wed, 30 Jul 2008 10:55:14 -0700 (PDT), "Loni Rosser"
> <[hidden email]> said:
>> No I am in severe pain in my gut & I am very nervous here as well
as skin
>> burning. It is definitely the RF from the 5 or 6 cell towers near my
>> house. I can see them out the back window. They have a direct shot in
to

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> Nope, goes away when I get away from cell towers. Loni

Yes, but there has to be some sort of explanation for
the cell tower EMF to translate into gut pain. The
EMF by itself is not causing it, as if it was, then
everyone would have gut pain. So it is the EMF plus
something else. EMF plus parasites is plausible, as
is EMF plus heavy metals. Getting away from the cell
towers eliminates the pain because one of the two
necessary factors for the pain is gone. However,
addressing the other factor could also eliminate
the pain, even with continued cell tower exposure.

Marc

In a message dated 30/07/2008 23:59:49 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes:

Yes, but there has to be some sort of explanation for
the cell tower EMF to translate into gut pain. The
EMF by itself is not causing it, as if it was, then
everyone would have gut pain. So it is the EMF plus
something else. EMF plus parasites is plausible, as
is EMF plus heavy metals. Getting away from the cell
towers eliminates the pain because one of the two
necessary factors for the pain is gone. However,
addressing the other factor could also eliminate
the pain, even with continued cell tower exposure.



This is nonsense, Mark. Everyone does not react in the same way.
Saying that there must be some other physical cause is a waste of time. It
might be genetic, or it might be the result of exposure in the past to EMR.
Loni needs something that helps her now as her electrosensitivity is
probably going to get worse with further exposure.

It's well established with allergic reactions that some people's reaction
gets worse with each exposure.
For example, my wife is allergic to insect bites. She is often bitten on
the legs while gardening and her leg swells up with blisters. Nothing
conventional seemed to work, each time the effect got worse, but we found
magnotherapy can control it and stop the inflammation and blistering.

I am not suggesting magnotherapy as a treatment here, I know some
electrosensitives have a problem with static magnets, but Loni needs an inexpensive way
to find which solution will work for her, and no-one else can advise her
other than suggesting something else to test.

Just because a possible solution hasn't worked for you or a friend of yours
doesn't mean it will not work for Loni, we are all different.

Best wishes
John
electrosensitivity.co.uk






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> This is nonsense, Mark. Everyone does not react in the same way.
> Saying that there must be some other physical cause is a waste of time.

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES
by focusing on something else other than EMF...

Marc

In a message dated 31/07/2008 15:04:06 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes:

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES
by focusing on something else other than EMF...



Do you mean 'pull yourself together, it's all in the mind'
Or did you mean clean up your environment first and lose all those harmful
shampoos, soaps, etc.

Best wishes
John
electrosensitivity.co.uk






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> Do you mean 'pull yourself together, it's all in the mind'
> Or did you mean clean up your environment first and lose all those
> harmful shampoos, soaps, etc.

People who claim to have cured themselves of ES often do
this by undergoing a heavy metal detox. This usually takes
several years and costs several thousands of dollars. Of
course, improving ones diet, taking appropriate supplements,
eliminating exposure to toxic substances, and avoiding heavy
EMF exposure can make one feel better in the meantime and
speed up the process.

But of course, that is what this discussion group is all
about, as are websites such as this one:

http://www.electrical-sensitivity.info/

Marc

> Mark, I really fail to see how you can cure yourself
> of the cumulative effects of EMF, if the levels remain
> extremely high in your home. It makes me ache at
> times too.

Certainly eliminating excessive EMF exposure would be a
great thing to do when trying to get well. And I did
recommend moving to Loni when she first reported those
cellphone towers. But sometimes moving doesn't appear
to be an option, and in such cases you need to focus
on other methods.

Marc

It is also a matter of improving the immune system.

Detox does not have to be expensive.
An ionizing footspa can do wonders within several weeks.

Do read the free downloadable book *Flow System Therapy* under Literature on
my website.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 7:00 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin

> Detox does not have to be expensive.
> An ionizing footspa can do wonders within several weeks.

I should also point out that people with ES should be *very*
careful when attempting any type of detox. Go slow at first,
and take only a fraction of the recommended dosage of anything
to first check for a bad reaction. If you have a bad reaction,
either stop or reduce the dosage.

As for the ionizing footspa, I had a terrible reaction to a
"Bionic Hydrotherapy" footbath, and overnight my ES returned to
high levels that I had not experienced for 5 years. And I have
literally spent the last 7 months of weekly doctors appointments
and thousands of dollars attempting to get back to the level of
health that I had prior to the footbath. So every form of detox
has its risks, no matter how safe everyone says it is.

Marc

Of course the ultimate detox is from without not from within, ie swtich off
all the antagonistic technologies ! It is unlikley that we will ever have an
armistice day,, so back to the drawing board.

puk






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Well I have fungus in my gut but the pain is caused by recked immune systemdue to fungus overexposure.
The gut pain is absent away from cell antennas. I had no pain at all in Snow Flake.
Loni

--- On Wed, 7/30/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, July 30, 2008, 3:59 PM






> Nope, goes away when I get away from cell towers. Loni

Yes, but there has to be some sort of explanation for
the cell tower EMF to translate into gut pain. The
EMF by itself is not causing it, as if it was, then
everyone would have gut pain. So it is the EMF plus
something else. EMF plus parasites is plausible, as
is EMF plus heavy metals. Getting away from the cell
towers eliminates the pain because one of the two
necessary factors for the pain is gone. However,
addressing the other factor could also eliminate
the pain, even with continued cell tower exposure.

Marc

 














     

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Thanks John, you are correct. I have a genetic immune problem & am on steroids that have also contributed to my recked immune system as well as the infection of all the fungus in my gut. I'm in bad shape. Loni

--- On Thu, 7/31/08, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 12:43 AM







In a message dated 30/07/2008 23:59:49 GMT Daylight Time, marc@ufoseries. com
writes:

Yes, but there has to be some sort of explanation for
the cell tower EMF to translate into gut pain. The
EMF by itself is not causing it, as if it was, then
everyone would have gut pain. So it is the EMF plus
something else. EMF plus parasites is plausible, as
is EMF plus heavy metals. Getting away from the cell
towers eliminates the pain because one of the two
necessary factors for the pain is gone. However,
addressing the other factor could also eliminate
the pain, even with continued cell tower exposure.

This is nonsense, Mark. Everyone does not react in the same way.
Saying that there must be some other physical cause is a waste of time. It
might be genetic, or it might be the result of exposure in the past to EMR.
Loni needs something that helps her now as her electrosensitivity is
probably going to get worse with further exposure.

It's well established with allergic reactions that some people's reaction
gets worse with each exposure.
For example, my wife is allergic to insect bites. She is often bitten on
the legs while gardening and her leg swells up with blisters. Nothing
conventional seemed to work, each time the effect got worse, but we found
magnotherapy can control it and stop the inflammation and blistering.

I am not suggesting magnotherapy as a treatment here, I know some
electrosensitives have a problem with static magnets, but Loni needs an inexpensive way
to find which solution will work for her, and no-one else can advise her
other than suggesting something else to test.

Just because a possible solution hasn't worked for you or a friend of yours
doesn't mean it will not work for Loni, we are all different.

Best wishes
John
electrosensitivity. co.uk

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It is the RF Marc from the cell anntennas

--- On Thu, 7/31/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 7:03 AM






> This is nonsense, Mark. Everyone does not react in the same way.
> Saying that there must be some other physical cause is a waste of time.

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES
by focusing on something else other than EMF...

Marc

















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Already cleaned up my house. The house is fine expect for the EMF. Loni

--- On Thu, 7/31/08, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, July 31, 2008, 8:32 AM







In a message dated 31/07/2008 15:04:06 GMT Daylight Time, marc@ufoseries. com
writes:

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES
by focusing on something else other than EMF...

Do you mean 'pull yourself together, it's all in the mind'
Or did you mean clean up your environment first and lose all those harmful
shampoos, soaps, etc.

Best wishes
John
electrosensitivity. co.uk

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The RF is 1000 times higher than a normal body can handle according to the building biologist that tested my home. I have 5 cell anntennas that I can see from my back window. It is frying my nerves. Loni


----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 3:03 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cell Towers / Burning Skin

Tell that to all the people who have cured themselves of their ES
by focusing on something else other than EMF...

Marc

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