New web site: EMFSensitivity

I would like to invite you to visit a new web site:
 
http://www.EMFSensitivity.com/
 
This site is designed to provide assistance and support to individuals withEMF Sensitivity.  We also host a Yahoo Group which can be found at:
 
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/emfsensitivity
 
The web site was built based on my own personal experience with EMF Sensitivity and the research that I conducted despite or perhaps because of the pain, to find practical and successful solutions to an agonizing disease overthe past several years of my life.  I hope that you find the informationhelpful, fresh, Informative, and new.  Best wishes to you.
 
Jane Parks


     

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> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/emfsensitivity

Thanks for that information, Jane. I'm curious, is your discussion
group trying to be different in some way from the other Yahoo Groups
already setup for folks with EMF sensitivity? It seems that there
are already several such groups (eSens, EMR-EMF, EMFrefugee, etc.)
and I am wondering if there really is a need for yet another?

When I started this group several years ago, it did have a
different purpose than any of the other existing groups -- that
purpose was for people to overcome their ES and ultimately be
cured.

Marc

Hallo Marc,

you are right.
It looks like one of the many sites where people can complain.
And where advices are given, we all already do know about.

So, in fact nothing new.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] New web site: EMFSensitivity

I am doing a detox and feeling pretty bad. Can you tell me what kinds of symptoms you've had to deal with when the detox was very bad?
Thanks~
Amy


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> I am doing a detox and feeling pretty bad. Can you tell me what kinds of
> symptoms you've had to deal with when the detox was very bad?

Headache, nausea, dehydration, "metallic taste" in mouth, smelly urine,
dizziness, belching/flatulence, anxiety, chest pains...

Usually, if you have bad reactions to detox, you should either slow
down what you are doing to detox, or drink more water, take
activated charcoal or lots of anti-oxidants.

Marc

In a message dated 9/7/2008 10:10:54 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Headache, nausea, dehydration, "metallic taste" in mouth, smelly urine,
dizziness, belching/flatulencedizziness, belching/flatule



puk replies - A good Vindaloo usually do that to me !






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Hello Marc and Charles,
 
First off, the web site is unique from what I know of the online web sites covering EMF Sensitivity.  The web site is designed for individuals suffering from EMF Sensitivity, rather than scientists or industry professionals(although they are welcome to visit and use the site).  The web site discusses how architecture for example is one of the main methods for mitigating EMFs.  Other web sites focus more on News and Research, neither of which covers architecture or shielding methods. 
 
With regards to Discussion Forums, my belief is that each Discussion Forum takes on its own personality, like the Press or a Newspaper. 
Some individuals will follow certain columnists, other individuals will follow other columnists. 
 
The differences between Discussion Forums can be quite subtle.  For example, the Name of your forum can have a huge impact on your Discussion Forum.  Also, the user settings and the level of moderating that is implementedon each forum.  When I began using discussion forums on this topic several years ago, it took several weeks for my posts to appear and to be distributed publicly.  I found this to be very unwelcoming. 
 
Finally, I believe that there is a level of indirection and dishonesty in the industry that almost purposefully misleads consumers.  There are very large vested interests who are opposed to open discussion on this topic. As someone who has suffered greatly from EMF sensitivity, this Discussion Forum offers a frank and true perspective on practical solutions for livingwith EMF Sensitivity.  Individuals who suffer from EMF Sensitivity can quickly evaluate strategies, products, and advice based on their own personal experience. 
 
I hope you will try the forum and you can see the difference for yourselves. 
 
Regards,
Jane Parks
 
 



----- Original Message ----
From: charles <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2008 11:09:56 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] New web site: EMFSensitivity


Hallo Marc,

you are right.
It looks like one of the many sites where people can complain.
And where advices are given, we all already do know about.

So, in fact nothing new.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] New web site: EMFSensitivity
 


     

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Paul, what the heck is a Vindaloo?
Amy


-----Original Message-----
From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 5:27 pm
Subject: Re: [eSens] For Marc (and anyone else who would like to answer)







In a message dated 9/7/2008 10:10:54 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Headache, nausea, dehydration, "metallic taste" in mouth, smelly urine,
dizziness, belching/flatulencedizziness, belching/flatule

puk replies - A good Vindaloo usually do that to me !

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Ok, so I guess it's all pretty normal then. I think the most alarming thing for me is the shakes. I get extremely shaky in the wee hours of the morning when I'm supposed to be sleeping. Then comes the horrible anxiety. Definietely have all the other symptoms too. What a wicked migraine also.
I did start out with four sprays of pca-rx. I called the company after the first day. He said I didn't have to put it in the mouth, for one thing, and the other thing is I should start out with one spray and do that for a week. I did put it in another place besides my mouth today. I am just hoping and praying for none of that horrible trembling tonight.
Thanks Marc~
Amy


-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sun, 7 Sep 2008 5:09 pm
Subject: Re: [eSens] For Marc (and anyone else who would like to answer)






> I am doing a detox and feeling pretty bad. Can you tell me what kinds of
> symptoms you've had to deal with when the detox was very bad?

Headache, nausea, dehydration, "metallic taste" in mouth, smelly urine,
dizziness, belching/flatulence, anxiety, chest pains...

Usually, if you have bad reactions to detox, you should either slow
down what you are doing to detox, or drink more water, take
activated charcoal or lots of anti-oxidants.

Marc





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> I did start out with four sprays of pca-rx.

Just so you know, I stopped taking PCA-Rx real fast... I'm not sure if
I ever made it to 4 sprays *total*. You should also consider that
you may have to discontinue it as well -- your body may simply
not be ready for that level of toxin mobilization.

I'd consider NDF as a possible alternative. And one drop at a time,
at least at first...

Marc

Hello Jane,

you think that that website is unique from what you know of the online web
sites.

Well, I guess you do not know so much.
Sorry to say so, but you asked in your forum, a general question about EMF
meters.
Obviously you did not read my recommendations for meters, placed on my
website.
(Most common meters, I do have here.)

You obviously did not read my many publications about available EMF meters.

On your website a book is presented.
Did you see the long list of books on my website?

Shielding is something, that layman should not do themselves, without having
measured properly.
And a Trifield meter is certainly not enough in order to find all
elektrosmog sources.
After many hundreds of building biological house surveys, I have found, that
the self shielding without proper advice can work adversely and the
situation can get worse.
Aluminium is a very bad material for this.
Many people do point to a mobile phone mast, not realising, that there are
much heavier sources around.
I do know a number of people who have become electrosensible from their own
bed, and now react to magnetic fields and mobile phones.
Without a proper extensive inventory of all elektrosmog sources, an advice
from a distance cannot be given.


Most of the stuff do happen in Europe.
The critics on several studies do come from Germany, positive as negative.
I published the faults on the TNO and ETH studies about 3 G.
I did not find that on any american website (except Slesin of course, and
EMFacts).

The eSens is the advanced, because they also give information about what to
do about the immune system.
Shielding is one thing (which helps only partly), raising the immune system
is quite another, and often much better.

With eSens products and other stuff are widely discussed, and frankly and
honestly, without any prejudice.

Where do you find elsewhere information about 3G, its successor LTE, Wimax
802.16, Mobile-fi, UWB, Wlan 802.11b and g, Wlan 802.11a, Wimax 802.16e,
MBWA, Wireless USB, DVB-T, DVB-H, etc.?

Many people do not take the trouble to read it all.
They want quick answers.

You Jane, are not different from most people..
But to comprehend the problemacy, you have to study more, and read more.
It is all there, but you must take the time to comprehend it.

Although I am an expert, I still read a lot and study a lot, and learn
everyday new things.

There are many websites from protesters of mobile phone masts, but they do
not give adequate information.
And very often, their advices are wrong. They mean it right, but are wrong.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Jane Parks" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 2:20 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] New web site: EMFSensitivity



Hello Marc and Charles,

First off, the web site is unique from what I know of the online web sites
covering EMF Sensitivity. The web site is designed for individuals suffering
from EMF Sensitivity, rather than scientists or industry professionals
(although they are welcome to visit and use the site). The web site
discusses how architecture for example is one of the main methods for
mitigating EMFs. Other web sites focus more on News and Research, neither of
which covers architecture or shielding methods.

With regards to Discussion Forums, my belief is that each Discussion Forum
takes on its own personality, like the Press or a Newspaper.
Some individuals will follow certain columnists, other individuals will
follow other columnists.

The differences between Discussion Forums can be quite subtle. For example,
the Name of your forum can have a huge impact on your Discussion Forum.
Also, the user settings and the level of moderating that is implemented on
each forum. When I began using discussion forums on this topic several years
ago, it took several weeks for my posts to appear and to be distributed
publicly. I found this to be very unwelcoming.

Finally, I believe that there is a level of indirection and dishonesty in
the industry that almost purposefully misleads consumers. There are very
large vested interests who are opposed to open discussion on this topic. As
someone who has suffered greatly from EMF sensitivity, this Discussion Forum
offers a frank and true perspective on practical solutions for living with
EMF Sensitivity. Individuals who suffer from EMF Sensitivity can quickly
evaluate strategies, products, and advice based on their own personal
experience.

I hope you will try the forum and you can see the difference for yourselves.

Regards,
Jane Parks





----- Original Message ----
From: charles <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, September 7, 2008 11:09:56 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] New web site: EMFSensitivity


Hallo Marc,

you are right.
It looks like one of the many sites where people can complain.
And where advices are given, we all already do know about.

So, in fact nothing new.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Bitdefender

----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <marc@ufoseries. com>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 8:01 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] New web site: EMFSensitivity





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Hi, Amy,
It is possible this is MORE than you really wanted to know, but.....  lol
 
I was concerned when you told me privately of your decision to detox thatyou would have this problem.  People with fm often have problems with detoxing.  First of all, pare down what you are taking to detox.  (You told me you were going to use a broad spectrum product that had alot of herbs, etc in it.  By paring down, I mean stop using this product and use a supplement with fewer herbs/supplements--1 or 2 are sufficient to start; you can then always add more.)  OR, alternately, you could go on the least amount of this current product possible.  (Get empty gel capsules and then open the capsules of the product you are using and divide the contents into 5 or more empty capsules.)  Then take only 1 of these in place of your old dose.  If the product you are using is a tablet, get a pill splitter and divide the pill into at least 4 (or more) portions. 
 
Also, you need to make sure your lymphatic system can support the detox. One help is jumping on a mini tramp to help your lymph to move quicker. You don't have to jump long; even 2 minutes will help.  But go longer ifyou can.  If you don't have energy for much exercise, then lay down and prop your feet up on the back of a sofa or on a wall so that your lymphs can use gravity to drain quicker.
 
Epsom salts baths is another help--helps you detox faster thru your skin.  Make sure you are drinking enough quality water.  Alkaline water is most helpful.  This and nutrients to support your kidneys helps detoxing thru the kidneys.  Cranberry juice can help.  Work up a sweat with exercise and then take a shower; helps again to detox faster thru skin.  Taking supplements which support the liver detox pathways helps the liver detox, which is often the real reason for many bad reactions to detoxing.  (Headaches, inability to focus and concentrate or think clearly, feeling spacey, constipation, sometime eye problems --fuzzy or double vision, etc, and FIBRO PAIN....)  Coffee, for instance, is one substance which will make phase 1 detox faster.  But you do not want to aid phase 1 detox unless you can also quicken phase 2 detox to handle the spill over.  The symptoms you are having are likely caused because one or both of these pathways is not
working correctly. 
 
Coffee is a double help as it also helps stimulate bile.  Anything which will make you eliminate (ie: thru bowels) faster will help.  Eating fats such as potato chips can aid detoxing thru bowels, oddly enough.  BUT the idea here is to eat just enough for toxins to attach to, but not enough for toxins to attach to and then add to your gerth.  ;)  For then you will be adding to toxic fat in your body.
 
I have a list of supplements for the liver detox pathways, but it is late and I have to look for it because everything is out of place here right now.  I will try to find and write again tomorrow.  Two liver supplements Iuse are molybdenum and B12.  But if you are already over taxed, they arelikely to cause even more detoxing, so do these other things I have mentioned first and try to get past the lymphatic congestion you now have. When it comes to the liver detox pathways actually, when you take a detox product, they act to stimulate these pathways already.  But if you have the correct nutrition for the liver (and have no other malfunctions of theliver) then you don't need to take detox products--your liver detoxes everything adequately on its own.  What causes build up of toxins in your body is when your liver (and kidneys, lungs, and skin) is malnourished and cannot adequately carry out the functions of detoxing. 
 
Are your adrenals now affected?  (Are you having exhaustion, temperature swings, bp plummeting or rising, dizziness, difficulty breathing, heart racing or skipping beats....)  If you are having these, then it is crucial to take supplements to feed the adrenals and lymphs.  (These supplements would be CoQ10, calcium, and B5.)  The adrenals become affected when the lymphatic system is so overloaded that it robs the adrenals of nutrients in order to work harder.  Both the lymphatic system and adrenals use these same nutrients.  Specifically I use CoQ10--3X100 mg/day, preferably subligual, but a good quality gel cap is also good.  I use calcium AEP and pantethine (a particular type of  B5.)  I have mentioned the quantities of these many times here before.  If you need this info you can write.  Itis not important that you take what I take, but that you get the amount ofthese nutrients needed to help with the congestion you now have.  The upper
limits of these supplements is what you should take right now, since you are having detoxing stress. 
 
You can find this info online or in any book on nutrition.  A great book to own for info like this is "Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing" by Phyllis and James Balch.  This book is usually carried by all the major booksellers, but make sure you get the most up to date edition, as they updateit every couple years.
 
When you detox, you will feel bad.  But the trick is to walk a fine line between functional and comfortable.  If you are totally comfortable, thenlikely you are not detoxing enough.  If you are not functional due to pain and symptoms, then you are overdoing the detox and your lymphatic systemis overwhelmed.
 
I have also read that it helps to do kidney and liver cleansing before doing a lymphatic detox.
Hope this helps,
Diane

--- On Sun, 9/7/08, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] For Marc (and anyone else who would like to answer)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 4:33 PM







I am doing a detox and feeling pretty bad. Can you tell me what kinds of symptoms you've had to deal with when the detox was very bad?
Thanks~
Amy

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Hi again, Amy (and Marc, and All),
 
Yes, I forgot anxiety--that is another adrenal symptom.  Yes, chest pain is too.  The other symptoms you mention are kidney (smelly urine, due to not drinking enough water and dehydration, caused by the same  because detoxing causes more frequent urination) or liver symptoms (belching, nausea, gas... because you are not eliminating fast enough probably due partlyto lack of bile.  I forgot to mention almost all of this but I agree with Marc on all he wrote here.  Anti-oxidants will help protect tissues espwith metal toxicity and really dangerous toxins.  For candida and gut flora overgrowths, alkaline water and alkalizing metabolism is more important.  Charcoal will filter all sorts of things, but while using charcoal, you are also negating any nutrients you are taking.
 
Diane

--- On Sun, 9/7/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] For Marc (and anyone else who would like to answer)
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 5:09 PM






> I am doing a detox and feeling pretty bad. Can you tell me what kinds of
> symptoms you've had to deal with when the detox was very bad?

Headache, nausea, dehydration, "metallic taste" in mouth, smelly urine,
dizziness, belching/flatulence , anxiety, chest pains...

Usually, if you have bad reactions to detox, you should either slow
down what you are doing to detox, or drink more water, take
activated charcoal or lots of anti-oxidants.

Marc
 














     

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Hey again, Amy,
 
Sorry, I had not gotten far enough in my email reading to know what you were taking, and I think you changed your mind since you last wrote, as I thought you were taking another product (or I got you confused with another person possibly who was asking me about detoxing!)  Anyway, if you are on drops, take only 1 drop, like Marc said, and even possibly space it out, (taking it not necessarily everyday), until you get your lymphatic system less overwhelmed.  You will be able to tolerate more the longer you take it.  But anytime you take something detoxing, you should start small. 
 
The shakes you mentioned previously can be adrenal symptoms.  You can try supplementing for this to see if it responds (the supplements I mention in this email below).  You might try epsom salts baths, too, as sometimesmagnesium imbalance can cause shakes/anxiety (or too much can do the same;if you have been doing Epsom salts bathing, then consider that you might be getting too much magnesium).  You need to balance magnesium, also, withcalcium and potassium, if this is the case.  Electrolytes as a whole areanother avenue to explore.  Try Gatorade unless you are sugarfree orcan't have it for another reason.  All 3 of these problems also cause anxiety.  Sounds like something is out of balance.  Alkalized water, might also make a difference with anxiety and shakes.  (Or anything which alkalizes the metabolism, rather than propetuating an acid state.)
 
Wishing you wellness,
Diane

--- On Mon, 9/8/08, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] detoxing symptoms and helps
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 4:52 AM






Hi, Amy,
It is possible this is MORE than you really wanted to know, but.....  lol
 
I was concerned when you told me privately of your decision to detox thatyou would have this problem.  People with fm often have problems with detoxing.  First of all, pare down what you are taking to detox.  (You told me you were going to use a broad spectrum product that had alot of herbs, etc in it.  By paring down, I mean stop using this product and use a supplement with fewer herbs/supplements- -1 or 2 are sufficient to start; youcan then always add more.)  OR, alternately, you could go on the least amount of this current product possible.  (Get empty gel capsules and thenopen the capsules of the product you are using and divide the contentsinto 5 or more empty capsules.)  Then take only 1 of these in place ofyour old dose.  If the product you are using is a tablet, get a pill splitter and divide the pill into at least 4 (or more) portions. 
 
Also, you need to make sure your lymphatic system can support the detox. One help is jumping on a mini tramp to help your lymph to move quicker. You don't have to jump long; even 2 minutes will help.  But go longer ifyou can.  If you don't have energy for much exercise, then lay down and prop your feet up on the back of a sofa or on a wall so that your lymphs can use gravity to drain quicker.
 
Epsom salts baths is another help--helps you detox faster thru your skin.  Make sure you are drinking enough quality water.  Alkaline water is most helpful.  This and nutrients to support your kidneys helps detoxing thru the kidneys.  Cranberry juice can help.  Work up a sweat with exercise and then take a shower; helps again to detox faster thru skin.  Taking supplements which support the liver detox pathways helps the liver detox, which is often the real reason for many bad reactions to detoxing.  (Headaches, inability to focus and concentrate or think clearly, feeling spacey, constipation, sometime eye problems --fuzzy or double vision, etc, and FIBRO PAIN....)  Coffee, for instance, is one substance which will make phase 1 detox faster.  But you do not want to aid phase 1 detox unless you can also quicken phase 2 detox to handle the spill over.  The symptoms you are having are likely caused because one or both of these pathways is not
working correctly. 
 
Coffee is a double help as it also helps stimulate bile.  Anything which will make you eliminate (ie: thru bowels) faster will help.  Eating fats such as potato chips can aid detoxing thru bowels, oddly enough.  BUT the idea here is to eat just enough for toxins to attach to, but not enough for toxins to attach to and then add to your gerth.  ;)  For then you will be adding to toxic fat in your body.
 
I have a list of supplements for the liver detox pathways, but it is late and I have to look for it because everything is out of place here right now.  I will try to find and write again tomorrow.  Two liver supplements Iuse are molybdenum and B12.  But if you are already over taxed, they arelikely to cause even more detoxing, so do these other things I have mentioned first and try to get past the lymphatic congestion you now have. When it comes to the liver detox pathways actually, when you take a detox product, they act to stimulate these pathways already.  But if you have the correct nutrition for the liver (and have no other malfunctions of theliver) then you don't need to take detox products--your liver detoxes everything adequately on its own.  What causes build up of toxins in your body is when your liver (and kidneys, lungs, and skin) is malnourished and cannot adequately carry out the functions of detoxing. 
 
Are your adrenals now affected?  (Are you having exhaustion, temperature swings, bp plummeting or rising, dizziness, difficulty breathing, heart racing or skipping beats....)  If you are having these, then it is crucial to take supplements to feed the adrenals and lymphs.  (These supplements would be CoQ10, calcium, and B5.)  The adrenals become affected when the lymphatic system is so overloaded that it robs the adrenals of nutrients in order to work harder.  Both the lymphatic system and adrenals use these same nutrients.  Specifically I use CoQ10--3X100 mg/day, preferably subligual, but a good quality gel cap is also good.  I use calcium AEP and pantethine (a particular type of  B5.)  I have mentioned the quantities of these many times here before.  If you need this info you can write.  Itis not important that you take what I take, but that you get the amount ofthese nutrients needed to help with the congestion you now have.  The upper
limits of these supplements is what you should take right now, since you are having detoxing stress. 
 
You can find this info online or in any book on nutrition.  A great book to own for info like this is "Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing" by Phyllis and James Balch.  This book is usually carried by all the major booksellers, but make sure you get the most up to date edition, as they updateit every couple years.
 
When you detox, you will feel bad.  But the trick is to walk a fine line between functional and comfortable.  If you are totally comfortable, thenlikely you are not detoxing enough.  If you are not functional due to pain and symptoms, then you are overdoing the detox and your lymphatic systemis overwhelmed.
 
I have also read that it helps to do kidney and liver cleansing before doing a lymphatic detox.
Hope this helps,
Diane

--- On Sun, 9/7/08, javamdnss@aol. com <javamdnss@aol. com> wrote:

From: javamdnss@aol. com <javamdnss@aol. com>
Subject: [eSens] For Marc (and anyone else who would like to answer)
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 4:33 PM

I am doing a detox and feeling pretty bad. Can you tell me what kinds of symptoms you've had to deal with when the detox was very bad?
Thanks~
Amy

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> Anyway, if you are on drops, take only 1 drop,

The PCA-Rx she's taking is a spray. In such a case, spray once
into an empty glass, then fill the glass full of water. Sip
slowly, stopping as soon as you notice a negative reaction.

Marc

> I did start out with four sprays of pca-rx. I called the company after
> the first day. He said I didn't have to put it in the mouth. I did put
> it in another place besides my mouth today.

When the company said that you did not have to put PCA-Rx in the mouth,
where else did they suggest you put it?

Marc

They said I could put it in my ear, on my skin, and if I still wanted to put it in my mouth, I could spray once or twice, then rinse. They thought maybe since I still have one amalgam filling it might be causing the metallic taste.
Amy

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 1:34 pm
Subject: Re: [eSens] PCA-Rx






> I did start out with four sprays of pca-rx. I called the company after
> the first day. He said I didn't have to put it in the mouth. I did put
> it in another place besides my mouth today.

When the company said that you did not have to put PCA-Rx in the mouth,
where else did they suggest you put it?

Marc





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> They said I could put it in my ear, on my skin, and if I still wanted to
> put it in my mouth, I could spray once or twice, then rinse. They thought
> maybe since I still have one amalgam filling it might be causing the
> metallic taste.

Okay, thanks!

Note that I had my fillings out 8 years ago, and I *still* get a metallic
taste when detoxing too fast.

Marc

Thank you Diane, for all your great help! I do have some epsom salts so I'll try them soon. Also I would think all I need to do in Florida in this summer heat would be to go sit outside-it's already like a sauna! I'm definitely going to enjoy taking? your advice on the coffee.? No problem. I'll make that sacrifice. ;) I do have an older version of Nutritional Healing or such, by the people you recommended. I never thought to check out that book, so thanks for the reminder!
Anyway, thanks for all the advice Diane.
Amy

-----Original Message-----
From: Evie <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 4:52 am
Subject: Re: [eSens] detoxing symptoms and helps






Hi, Amy,
It is possible this is MORE than you really wanted to know, but.....? lol
?
I was?concerned when you told me privately of your decision to detox that you would have this problem.? People with fm often have problems with detoxing.? First of all, pare down what you are taking to detox.? (You told me you were going to use a broad spectrum product that had alot of herbs, etc in it.? By paring down, I mean stop using this product and use a supplement with fewer herbs/supplements--1 or 2 are sufficient to start; you can then always add more.)? OR, alternately, you could go on the least amount of this current product possible.? (Get empty gel capsules and then open the capsules of the?product you are using and?divide the contents into 5 or?more empty capsules.)? Then take only 1 of these in place of your old dose.? If the product you are using is a tablet, get a pill splitter and divide the pill into at least 4 (or more) portions.?
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Also, you need to make sure your lymphatic system can support the detox.? One help is jumping on a mini tramp to help your lymph to move quicker.? You don't have to jump long; even 2 minutes will help.? But go longer if you can.? If you don't have energy for much exercise, then lay down and prop your feet up on the back of a sofa or on a wall so that your lymphs can use gravity to drain quicker.
?
Epsom salts baths is another help--helps you detox faster thru your skin.? Make sure you are drinking enough quality water.? Alkaline water is most helpful.? This and nutrients to support your kidneys helps detoxing thru the kidneys.? Cranberry juice can help.? Work up a sweat with exercise and then take a shower; helps again to?detox faster thru skin.? Taking supplements?which support the liver detox pathways?helps the liver detox, which is often the real reason for many bad reactions to detoxing.? (Headaches, inability to focus and concentrate or think clearly, feeling spacey, constipation, sometime eye problems --fuzzy or double vision, etc, and FIBRO PAIN....)? Coffee, for instance, is one substance which will?make phase 1 detox faster.? But you do not want to aid phase 1 detox unless you can also quicken phase 2 detox to handle the spill over.? The symptoms you are having are likely caused because one or both of these pathways is not
working correctly.?
?
Coffee is a double help as it also helps stimulate bile.? Anything which will make you eliminate (ie: thru bowels) faster will help.? Eating fats such as potato chips can aid detoxing thru bowels, oddly enough.??BUT the idea here is to eat just enough for toxins to attach to, but not enough for toxins to attach to and then add to your gerth.? ;)? For then you will be adding to toxic fat in your body.
?
I have a list of supplements for the liver detox pathways, but it is late and I have to look for it because everything is out of place here right now.? I will try to find and write again tomorrow.? Two liver supplements I use are molybdenum and B12.? But if you are already over taxed, they are likely to cause even more detoxing, so do these other things I have mentioned first and try to get past the?lymphatic congestion?you now have.? When it comes to the liver detox pathways actually, when you take a detox product, they act to stimulate these pathways already.? But if you have the correct nutrition for the liver?(and have no other malfunctions of the liver) then you don't need to take detox products--your liver detoxes everything adequately on its own.? What causes build up of toxins in your body is when your liver (and kidneys, lungs, and skin) is malnourished and cannot adequately carry out the functions of detoxing.?
?
Are your adrenals now affected?? (Are you having exhaustion, temperature swings, bp plummeting or rising, dizziness, difficulty breathing, heart racing or skipping beats....)? If you are having these, then it is crucial to take supplements to feed the adrenals and lymphs.? (These supplements would be CoQ10, calcium, and B5.)? The adrenals become affected when the lymphatic system is so overloaded that it robs the adrenals of nutrients in order to work harder.? Both the lymphatic system and adrenals use these same nutrients.? Specifically I use CoQ10--3X100 mg/day, preferably subligual, but a good quality gel cap is also good.? I use calcium AEP and pantethine (a particular type of? B5.)? I have mentioned the quantities of these many times here before.? If you need this info you can write.? It is not important that you take what I take, but that you get the amount of these nutrients needed to help with the congestion you now have.? The upper
limits of these supplements is what you should take right now, since you are having detoxing stress.?
?
You can find this info online or in any book on nutrition.? A great book to own for info like this is "Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing" by Phyllis and James Balch.? This book is usually carried by all the major book sellers, but make sure you get the most up to date edition, as they update it every couple years.
?
When you detox, you will feel bad.? But the trick is to walk a fine line between functional and comfortable.? If you are totally comfortable, then likely you are not detoxing enough.? If you are not functional due to pain and symptoms, then you are overdoing the detox and your lymphatic system is overwhelmed.
?
I have also read that it helps to do kidney and liver cleansing before doing a lymphatic detox.
Hope this helps,
Diane

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Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 4:33 PM

I am doing a detox and feeling pretty bad. Can you tell me what kinds of symptoms you've had to deal with when the detox was very bad?
Thanks~
Amy

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You are very welcome, Amy!  Yes, sitting and sweating in the humidity will help (if you then wash off all the sweat, as it will have toxins in it that your skin will reabsorb unless you shower off right away.) 
 
LOL re the coffee.  Remember tho, not to drink more than a cup because ifyou detox too much too quickly, your phase 2 liver detox pathway will not keep up and that will make you sick.  (You can drink more at a later time, tho.)  And also it is best not to drink coffee within an hour of eating.  It affects uptake of certain nutrients.
 
Still looking for my liver supplementation notes for the detox pathways. I'll bet the new "Prescriptions ....." book will have that info in it.  I can't wait now to go to the book store to see if a new edition is yet out.  :)  I have used these books since edition 1.  Don't think I'd still be alive without them!  I tear pages out of them all the time to give to sick friends.  My books always need updating!  lol  They ought include multiple copies of some pages.  I never hold on to the gout info for more than a month. 
 
Take care, Amy,
Diane

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Subject: Re: [eSens] detoxing symptoms and helps
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Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 4:34 PM






Thank you Diane, for all your great help! I do have some epsom salts so I'll try them soon. Also I would think all I need to do in Florida in this summer heat would be to go sit outside-it's already like a sauna! I'm definitely going to enjoy taking? your advice on the coffee.? No problem. I'll makethat sacrifice. ;) I do have an older version of Nutritional Healing or such, by the people you recommended. I never thought to check out that book, so thanks for the reminder!
Anyway, thanks for all the advice Diane.
Amy

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Mon, 8 Sep 2008 4:52 am
Subject: Re: [eSens] detoxing symptoms and helps

Hi, Amy,
It is possible this is MORE than you really wanted to know, but.....? lol
?
I was?concerned when you told me privately of your decision to detox that you would have this problem.? People with fm often have problems with detoxing.? First of all, pare down what you are taking to detox.? (You told me you were going to use a broad spectrum product that had alot of herbs, etc init.? By paring down, I mean stop using this product and use a supplement with fewer herbs/supplements- -1 or 2 are sufficient to start; you can then always add more.)? OR, alternately, you could go on the least amount of this current product possible.? (Get empty gel capsules and then open the capsules of the?product you are using and?divide the contents into 5 or?more empty capsules.)? Then take only 1 of these in place of your old dose.? If the product you are using is a tablet, get a pill splitter and divide the pill into at least 4 (or more) portions.?
?
Also, you need to make sure your lymphatic system can support the detox.? One help is jumping on a mini tramp to help your lymph to move quicker.? Youdon't have to jump long; even 2 minutes will help.? But go longer if you can.? If you don't have energy for much exercise, then lay down and prop your feet up on the back of a sofa or on a wall so that your lymphs can use gravity to drain quicker.
?
Epsom salts baths is another help--helps you detox faster thru your skin.? Make sure you are drinking enough quality water.? Alkaline water is most helpful.? This and nutrients to support your kidneys helps detoxing thru the kidneys.? Cranberry juice can help.? Work up a sweat with exercise and thentake a shower; helps again to?detox faster thru skin.? Taking supplements?which support the liver detox pathways?helps the liver detox, which is often the real reason for many bad reactions to detoxing.? (Headaches, inability to focus and concentrate or think clearly, feeling spacey, constipation,sometime eye problems --fuzzy or double vision, etc, and FIBRO PAIN....)? Coffee, for instance, is one substance which will?make phase 1 detox faster.? But you do not want to aid phase 1 detox unless you can also quicken phase 2 detox to handle the spill over.? The symptoms you are having are likely caused because one or both of these pathways is not
working correctly.?
?
Coffee is a double help as it also helps stimulate bile.? Anything which will make you eliminate (ie: thru bowels) faster will help.? Eating fats suchas potato chips can aid detoxing thru bowels, oddly enough.??BUT the idea here is to eat just enough for toxins to attach to, but not enough for toxins to attach to and then add to your gerth.? ;)? For then you will be adding to toxic fat in your body.
?
I have a list of supplements for the liver detox pathways, but it is late and I have to look for it because everything is out of place here right now.? I will try to find and write again tomorrow.? Two liver supplements I useare molybdenum and B12.? But if you are already over taxed, they are likely to cause even more detoxing, so do these other things I have mentioned first and try to get past the?lymphatic congestion?you now have.? When it comes to the liver detox pathways actually, when you take a detox product, they act to stimulate these pathways already.? But if you have the correct nutrition for the liver?(and have no other malfunctions of the liver) then youdon't need to take detox products--your liver detoxes everything adequately on its own.? What causes build up of toxins in your body is when your liver (and kidneys, lungs, and skin) is malnourished and cannot adequately carry out the functions of detoxing.?
?
Are your adrenals now affected?? (Are you having exhaustion, temperature swings, bp plummeting or rising, dizziness, difficulty breathing, heart racing or skipping beats....)? If you are having these, then it is crucial to take supplements to feed the adrenals and lymphs.? (These supplements would be CoQ10, calcium, and B5.)? The adrenals become affected when the lymphaticsystem is so overloaded that it robs the adrenals of nutrients in order towork harder.? Both the lymphatic system and adrenals use these same nutrients.? Specifically I use CoQ10--3X100 mg/day, preferably subligual, but a good quality gel cap is also good.? I use calcium AEP and pantethine (a particular type of? B5.)? I have mentioned the quantities of these many times here before.? If you need this info you can write.? It is not important thatyou take what I take, but that you get the amount of these nutrients needed to help with the congestion you now have.? The upper
limits of these supplements is what you should take right now, since you are having detoxing stress.?
?
You can find this info online or in any book on nutrition.? A great book toown for info like this is "Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing" by Phyllis and James Balch.? This book is usually carried by all the major book sellers, but make sure you get the most up to date edition, as they update it every couple years.
?
When you detox, you will feel bad.? But the trick is to walk a fine line between functional and comfortable. ? If you are totally comfortable, then likely you are not detoxing enough.? If you are not functional due to pain and symptoms, then you are overdoing the detox and your lymphatic system is overwhelmed.
?
I have also read that it helps to do kidney and liver cleansing before doing a lymphatic detox.
Hope this helps,
Diane

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From: javamdnss@aol. com <javamdnss@aol. com>
Subject: [eSens] For Marc (and anyone else who would like to answer)
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 4:33 PM

I am doing a detox and feeling pretty bad. Can you tell me what kinds of symptoms you've had to deal with when the detox was very bad?
Thanks~
Amy

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