New member with a cell tower across the street

Just discovered that my sensitivity to the RF's from the tower across the street may be partially responsible, along with the high EMF fields in my house, for my health problems and insomnia. I'm excited to be making thisconnection but I find the soloution a bit daunting.
Do I move? Do I make some adjustments (like some of the products I just read about on this group's message list)? I'm confused about my course of action.
Professionals have advised me to move. But I'm having a hard time making that happen since I've lived hear for twenty years and I have some serious fatigue issues. If the products could enable me to recover some of my energy that might help me make the move.
Any experience out there with products for reducing Radio Frequency radiation? Since I am renting, I don't want to do expensive re-wiring or shielding to the space to reduce the EMF's. I already have a remote that allowsme to turn the power off at night (this did not help my symptoms). If moving is what I need to do - I'll rally and make it happen. Am I in denial about the necessity of moving? Not sure.
Thanks for any suggestions.
-Thomas

The only thing you can do to avoid the radiation from a cell tower in a rental is to move.
We all are faced with that problem...you are lucky that you rent. In France- if you have a house beside a tower you must abandon it because no one will buy it because everyone knows that the towers will make you ill.  


--- In [hidden email], "Thomas" <twestw55@...> wrote:
>
> Just discovered that my sensitivity to the RF's from the tower acrossthe street may be partially responsible, along with the high EMF fields inmy house, for my health problems and insomnia. I'm excited to be making this connection but I find the soloution a bit daunting.
> Do I move? Do I make some adjustments (like some of the products I just read about on this group's message list)? I'm confused about my courseof action.
> Professionals have advised me to move. But I'm having a hard time making that happen since I've lived hear for twenty years and I have some serious fatigue issues. If the products could enable me to recover some of my energy that might help me make the move.
> Any experience out there with products for reducing Radio Frequency radiation? Since I am renting, I don't want to do expensive re-wiring or shielding to the space to reduce the EMF's. I already have a remote that allows me to turn the power off at night (this did not help my symptoms). If moving is what I need to do - I'll rally and make it happen. Am I in denial about the necessity of moving? Not sure.
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> -Thomas
>

> Professionals have advised me to move. But I'm having a hard time
> making that happen since I've lived hear for twenty years and I
> have some serious fatigue issues.

It's hard to say whether one should move or not. Have you already tried
being somewhere else temporarily and noticed that things got better? Do
you think the EMF is really bad where you are? I know that I have been
able to tolerate some pretty harsh environments with the help of devices
and supplements, but it can get expensive trying to find something that
will work and also supplements have recurring costs. Also, I think
removing yourself from the harsh environment is ultimately the best
solution from a health standpoint, but it may not be so from a
financial/practical standpoint.

I was going to say that you should first rule out that the problem isn't
occurring within your own walls, but if you've already tried it with the
power turned off, then that answers that question.

Marc

What kind of remote turns off power?

If the magnetic fields are good then I would try shielding with foil on
the walls and metal screens on the windows. But if there are neighbors
very close and things you can't fix, plan to move. But it can months
to find a good place.
It could be worth shielding the bed area as you prepare to move.
Try a B-12 shot too. Get some meters.

On Sat, Oct 3, 2009 at 5:39 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


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Thomas,

For myself if it were possible I would move in a heartbeat, we have a tower 1/2 mile away. I can't imagine having one just across the street! I have two reasons that would make it hard to move. My business is attached to my home. I am a caterer with a fully licensed commercial kitchen attached to my home. FYI - do you know how much metal is in a licensed commercial kitchen? Needless to say I staff out most of my work. Also, we live in Michigan and the economy is so tough it would be extremely hard to sell our home.

But if we could move I know I would investigate the area I was interested in moving to to see what the possibility is that a cell tower would be erected near by. It is a fear of mine that we would go through all the trouble of moving only to have a new cell tower placed nearby. My husband and I have discussed even moving out of state to Utah because per acreage they have fewer cell towers than most states. Not to mention the great downhill skiing.

I would suspect that some of the reasons that would make it hard for you to move (fatigue, etc.) might improve if you were farther away from the tower.

Best to you as you work though your options,

jw


Jennie Wassenaar






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From: Thomas <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 7:19:43 PM
Subject: [eSens] New member with a cell tower across the street


Just discovered that my sensitivity to the RF's from the tower across the street may be partially responsible, along with the high EMF fields in my house, for my health problems and insomnia. I'm excited to be making this connection but I find the soloution a bit daunting.
Do I move? Do I make some adjustments (like some of the products I just read about on this group's message list)? I'm confused about my course of action.
Professionals have advised me to move. But I'm having a hard time making that happen since I've lived hear for twenty years and I have some serious fatigue issues. If the products could enable me to recover some of my energy that might help me make the move.
Any experience out there with products for reducing Radio Frequency radiation? Since I am renting, I don't want to do expensive re-wiring or shielding to the space to reduce the EMF's. I already have a remote that allows me to turn the power off at night (this did not help my symptoms). If moving is what I need to do - I'll rally and make it happen. Am I in denial about the necessity of moving? Not sure.
Thanks for any suggestions.
-Thomas




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Hi Thomas,

Bill Bruno wrote:
> If the magnetic fields are good then I would try shielding with foil on
> the walls and metal screens on the windows. But if there are neighbors
> very close and things you can't fix, plan to move. But it can months
> to find a good place.
> It could be worth shielding the bed area as you prepare to move.
> Try a B-12 shot too. Get some meters.
>

Right across the street? I doubt any shielding would make a negligible
difference at that close range.

Robert is right, we have all had to deal with this. You won't get better
until moving to a quiet area, preferrably rural with few neighbors
enamored with wireless toys. Once you stay a few nights somewhere quiet,
and feel the difference, then it will be more real than theory, you will
want to move.

For getting your energy back, I found B-12 vitamin, and Microhydrin
antioxidants made a difference.

Stewart

Thomas,

I have been thinking about my response to you in my previous e-mail. I came out of the gates with my opinion about what I would do given your situation but I have had a few years of experiencing, researching and coming to terms with EMS and how it impacts my life and the lives of my family. When I was at your stage I was just trying to convince myself I wasn't a freak from Mars. And no, your not either. I am convinced that God gave us amazing bodies but we (as a society) have abused them tremendously. But, I also believe that once we start taking care of our bodies correctly they have a great capacity to heal. I like the suggestion to get away short term to see if there is a contrast in how you feel. Seeing clearly if your symptoms are a result from EMS would be a good first step and if they are you may see the pay off in making major changes in your life. One thing that helped me was keeping a health diary. I could detect patterns of what and
how different situations effected me. I try to be pro-active but I have found that the best way for me to try and maintain good health is avoidance. Keeping the diary helped tremendously in this area.

Best wishes,

jw


Jennie Wassenaar




________________________________
From: Thomas <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 7:19:43 PM
Subject: [eSens] New member with a cell tower across the street


Just discovered that my sensitivity to the RF's from the tower across the street may be partially responsible, along with the high EMF fields in my house, for my health problems and insomnia. I'm excited to be making this connection but I find the soloution a bit daunting.
Do I move? Do I make some adjustments (like some of the products I just read about on this group's message list)? I'm confused about my course of action.
Professionals have advised me to move. But I'm having a hard time making that happen since I've lived hear for twenty years and I have some serious fatigue issues. If the products could enable me to recover some of my energy that might help me make the move.
Any experience out there with products for reducing Radio Frequency radiation? Since I am renting, I don't want to do expensive re-wiring or shielding to the space to reduce the EMF's. I already have a remote that allows me to turn the power off at night (this did not help my symptoms). If moving is what I need to do - I'll rally and make it happen. Am I in denial about the necessity of moving? Not sure.
Thanks for any suggestions.
-Thomas




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Wow, you've been renting for 20 years. Your landlord is lucky. You've just bought them a house!
 
I have about 8 cell antennas out my back window visible & 342 antennas in a4 mile radius of my house so I know what you are feeling. The fatigue is huge I know. I put RF shielding up on the windows but it is still a problem but better.
 
If you can move, I'd do it. I own my home & son is in high school so I am stuck for now but if I were renting I'd be out of here. Mustering up enough energy to help ourselves is the hardest thing.
 
I've been trying to make this area liveable for me for 2 years now to no avail. Loni
 


--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Thomas <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] New member with a cell tower across the street
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 4:19 PM


 



Just discovered that my sensitivity to the RF's from the tower across the street may be partially responsible, along with the high EMF fields in my house, for my health problems and insomnia. I'm excited to be making this connection but I find the soloution a bit daunting.
Do I move? Do I make some adjustments (like some of the products I just read about on this group's message list)? I'm confused about my course of action.
Professionals have advised me to move. But I'm having a hard time making that happen since I've lived hear for twenty years and I have some serious fatigue issues. If the products could enable me to recover some of my energy that might help me make the move.
Any experience out there with products for reducing Radio Frequency radiation? Since I am renting, I don't want to do expensive re-wiring or shieldingto the space to reduce the EMF's. I already have a remote that allows me to turn the power off at night (this did not help my symptoms). If moving iswhat I need to do - I'll rally and make it happen. Am I in denial about the necessity of moving? Not sure.
Thanks for any suggestions.
-Thomas

















     

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Wow, that's awful in France. I wonder how long it will take before people figure that out here? Loni

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, the_man_whom_would_be_king <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: the_man_whom_would_be_king <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: New member with a cell tower across the street
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 4:32 PM


 



The only thing you can do to avoid the radiation from a cell tower in a rental is to move.
We all are faced with that problem...you are lucky that you rent. In France- if you have a house beside a tower you must abandon it because no one will buy it because everyone knows that the towers will make you ill.

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Thomas" <twestw55@.. .> wrote:
>
> Just discovered that my sensitivity to the RF's from the tower across thestreet may be partially responsible, along with the high EMF fields in my house, for my health problems and insomnia. I'm excited to be making this connection but I find the soloution a bit daunting.
> Do I move? Do I make some adjustments (like some of the products I just read about on this group's message list)? I'm confused about my course of action.
> Professionals have advised me to move. But I'm having a hard time making that happen since I've lived hear for twenty years and I have some serious fatigue issues. If the products could enable me to recover some of my energy that might help me make the move.
> Any experience out there with products for reducing Radio Frequency radiation? Since I am renting, I don't want to do expensive re-wiring or shielding to the space to reduce the EMF's. I already have a remote that allows meto turn the power off at night (this did not help my symptoms). If moving is what I need to do - I'll rally and make it happen. Am I in denial about the necessity of moving? Not sure.
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> -Thomas
>

















     

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I really do agree with Marc regarding knowing what you are actually reacting to Thomas. Have you had your house tested for RF, EMF, EF?  I thought iwas reacting to the street lights EMF until I had a Building Biologist come and test my house. He found that the RF was very high due to the Cell antennas so that is how I figured it out. I thought it was the street lights because I felt bad outside as well as inside. Didn't know what a cell antenna looked like back then, year ago. Now I sure do.
 
When I was looking at buying this house I saw these spikey things at the high School from the back yard and wondered what the heck they were. Wish I knew before I bought this darn house. I can't sleep here as many already know.
 
Get out Thomas. Loni

--- On Sat, 10/3/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] New member with a cell tower across the street
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 4:39 PM


 



> Professionals have advised me to move. But I'm having a hard time
> making that happen since I've lived hear for twenty years and I
> have some serious fatigue issues.

It's hard to say whether one should move or not. Have you already tried
being somewhere else temporarily and noticed that things got better? Do
you think the EMF is really bad where you are? I know that I have been
able to tolerate some pretty harsh environments with the help of devices
and supplements, but it can get expensive trying to find something that
will work and also supplements have recurring costs. Also, I think
removing yourself from the harsh environment is ultimately the best
solution from a health standpoint, but it may not be so from a
financial/practical standpoint.

I was going to say that you should first rule out that the problem isn't
occurring within your own walls, but if you've already tried it with the
power turned off, then that answers that question.

Marc
















     

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In a message dated 04/10/2009 19:00:35 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
writes:

Frequency radiation? Since I am renting, I don't want to do expensive
re-wiring or shielding to the space to reduce the EMF's. I already have a
remote that allows me to turn the power off at night (this did not help my
symptoms). If moving is what I need to do - I'll rally and make it happen. Am I
in denial about the necessity of moving? Not sure.
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> -Thomas


Paul UK replies - pity that you could not get yourself over to France to
stay for a while in the WhiteZone ?Then perhaps you could sus out wether your
current environment is cuasing you the troubles you describe. By the way
if they abandon houses in France near masts thats a good bussiness
opportunity for canny developers, get the house for next to nothing and then
remediate it big time.


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Thomas, You could spend years trying to make that toxic place work for you & it might get a tad better but you won't get total relief. You can have quality of life back if you move & get away from the radiation. I wish I was renting. 7,000 more foreclosures on the market so it will be some time before I can sell my house. Loni

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New member with a cell tower across the street
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 4:09 AM


 




In a message dated 04/10/2009 19:00:35 GMT Daylight Time, loni326@yahoo. com
writes:

Frequency radiation? Since I am renting, I don't want to do expensive
re-wiring or shielding to the space to reduce the EMF's. I already have a
remote that allows me to turn the power off at night (this did not help my
symptoms). If moving is what I need to do - I'll rally and make it happen. Am I
in denial about the necessity of moving? Not sure.
> Thanks for any suggestions.
> -Thomas

Paul UK replies - pity that you could not get yourself over to France to
stay for a while in the WhiteZone ?Then perhaps you could sus out wether your
current environment is cuasing you the troubles you describe. By the way
if they abandon houses in France near masts thats a good bussiness
opportunity for canny developers, get the house for next to nothing and then
remediate it big time.

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Hi, Thomas,
 
Moving is the best solution if you can do it, but it will take years to do probably unless you are moving somewhere like Greenbank, WV (it took years for me to find a place even NOT totally suitable, but doable--I also amMCS so must avoid mold, pesticides, and chemicals, etc, too).  In the meantime, work on making yourself healthier.  I also use B12 and the antioxidants--(I use Hydrogen Booster and CoQ10 instead of microhydrin).  Iuse other supplements too, but agree these are great to start with.  Keep your environment low tech like Jennie W just wrote about.  Foil can'thurt to try--it is relatively cheap and easy to work with.  (But I am not disagreeing with Stewart--this is a temporary and only partial fix.)  If you are able physically to do it, start with a screen--3 old junk doors hinged together and foiled over works well.  Put the screen between you and the tower.  You can make this a rolling screen by adding fixed triangle
shaped shelves on the doors so the screen doesn't fall over and casters on the bottom of the doors.  In your space, you might like the portability of keeping the screen foldable to store, tho, rather than rollable.  Yes, also one of the devices like the Quantum or Earthcalm or even a personal device might help too, meanwhile.  But you need to move also to a better place when you can determine where that is.
 
My 2 cents.  Wishing you health,
Diane

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, S Andreason <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: S Andreason <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] New member with a cell tower across the street
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 12:29 AM


 



Hi Thomas,

Bill Bruno wrote:
> If the magnetic fields are good then I would try shielding with foil on
> the walls and metal screens on the windows. But if there are neighbors
> very close and things you can't fix, plan to move. But it can months
> to find a good place.
> It could be worth shielding the bed area as you prepare to move.
> Try a B-12 shot too. Get some meters.
>

Right across the street? I doubt any shielding would make a negligible
difference at that close range.

Robert is right, we have all had to deal with this. You won't get better
until moving to a quiet area, preferrably rural with few neighbors
enamored with wireless toys. Once you stay a few nights somewhere quiet,
and feel the difference, then it will be more real than theory, you will
want to move.

For getting your energy back, I found B-12 vitamin, and Microhydrin
antioxidants made a difference.

Stewart

















     

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Hi, Jennie,
 
Great advice!  I did this too.  Another thing I did was I kept a huge calendar--with the huge blocks on it--and wrote notes on each day of my schedule, how I felt, etc.  It helped me see at a glance places which affected me.  And I agree with you-- we need to take more care of ourselves and as a society we have dropped the ball and allowed big business to dictate where we are going.  15,000 new chemicals being developed each year and unleashed on the planet is not healthy.  Little-researched effects of emfs longterm cannot be good for the planet either. 
 
Thanks for your recent contributions.  All great advise,
Diane

--- On Sun, 10/4/09, Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Jennie Wassenaar <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] New member with a cell tower across the street
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, October 4, 2009, 4:16 AM


 



Thomas,

I have been thinking about my response to you in my previous e-mail. I cameout of the gates with my opinion about what I would do given your situation but I have had a few years of experiencing, researching and coming to terms with EMS and how it impacts my life and the lives of my family. When I was at your stage I was just trying to convince myself I wasn't a freak fromMars. And no, your not either. I am convinced that God gave us amazing bodies but we (as a society) have abused them tremendously. But, I also believe that once we start taking care of our bodies correctly they have a great capacity to heal. I like the suggestion to get away short term to see if there is a contrast in how you feel. Seeing clearly if your symptoms are a result from EMS would be a good first step and if they are you may see the pay off in making major changes in your life. One thing that helped me was keeping a health diary. I could detect patterns of what and
how different situations effected me. I try to be pro-active but I have found that the best way for me to try and maintain good health is avoidance. Keeping the diary helped tremendously in this area.

Best wishes,

jw

Jennie Wassenaar

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From: Thomas <twestw55@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Saturday, October 3, 2009 7:19:43 PM
Subject: [eSens] New member with a cell tower across the street

Just discovered that my sensitivity to the RF's from the tower across the street may be partially responsible, along with the high EMF fields in my house, for my health problems and insomnia. I'm excited to be making this connection but I find the soloution a bit daunting.
Do I move? Do I make some adjustments (like some of the products I just read about on this group's message list)? I'm confused about my course of action.
Professionals have advised me to move. But I'm having a hard time making that happen since I've lived hear for twenty years and I have some serious fatigue issues. If the products could enable me to recover some of my energy that might help me make the move.
Any experience out there with products for reducing Radio Frequency radiation? Since I am renting, I don't want to do expensive re-wiring or shieldingto the space to reduce the EMF's. I already have a remote that allows me to turn the power off at night (this did not help my symptoms). If moving iswhat I need to do - I'll rally and make it happen. Am I in denial about the necessity of moving? Not sure.
Thanks for any suggestions.
-Thomas

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Thanks for all of the support re my situation. Yes I have high magnetic fields, high electric fields and high RF. I have decided to move temporarily just to get my energy back. And then make the permanent move when I am (hopefully) in a better energetic space to handle the challenge of moving.

I am working with a naturopath to improve my health and the EMF issue has come up as a block in my continued recovery.

Thanks again,

Thomas

--- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote:

Great Thomas!
 
I spent so much on naturopaths & suppliments & IV's & never got me well butI didn't have a clue about the cell antenna radiation or any of it. All I need is a fresh environment. Much less expensive in the long run. Loni

--- On Mon, 10/5/09, Thomas <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Thomas <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: New member with a cell tower across the street
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, October 5, 2009, 10:08 AM


 



Thanks for all of the support re my situation. Yes I have high magnetic fields, high electric fields and high RF. I have decided to move temporarily just to get my energy back. And then make the permanent move when I am (hopefully) in a better energetic space to handle the challenge of moving.

I am working with a naturopath to improve my health and the EMF issue has come up as a block in my continued recovery.

Thanks again,

Thomas

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Loni <loni326@... > wrote:
















     

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Evie wrote:
> Foil can't hurt to try--it is relatively cheap and easy to work with. (But I am not disagreeing with Stewart--this is a temporary and only partial fix.)

No, it can't hurt to try. It is just when the power levels are
exponential, and the source is too close, that the % reduction does not
achieve the lower level of exposure, that makes a real difference.

Any grounded shielding will help block electric fields, like the faraday
canopy over a bed, but blocking the RF is like putting a cel phone
inside a microwave. Still get a couple bars of signal strength. Yes, the
frequency is different, and the microwave oven shielding is just thick
enough to get FCC approval, but it was shielding.

In Maui?
Are there any places to live "outside of town"? Are there any remote
coves, say on a NW island, with no tower on it? Call it camping out.

As for long term solutions, no easy answers...

Stewart
Hiding in a rural valley between two tall hills.
Lambert Crk <http://seahorseCorral.org/corral7.html>



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> In Maui?
> Are there any places to live "outside of town"? Are there any remote
> coves, say on a NW island, with no tower on it? Call it camping out.

We have (had?) a group member who lived on Hawaii, and I thought they
found someone local to measure the fields... (?)

Maui has plenty of places "in the middle of nowhere", although like
for many of us, it may be impractical to move.

(although, as I recall, even pretty remote areas like "Big Beach"
still had cellphone coverage)

Marc

Marc

I live at the north end of Kihei Maui & that is where I am getting fried. Ihave tried to sell my house to move but the market is dead & I have even tried to rent it out but that market is washed up too & flooded with low priced rentals by people trying to get by.

Any way I surveyed all of Kihei & found Keonikai area to be the best for lowest radiation & fewer towers. I also found a condo in north Kihei with 8 transmitters on it roof & with high radiation all on the outside of the building but was amazed to find only .4 on the electrosmog meter in the bedroom. Seems that the concrete block building works great to stop transmittions.

> I live at the north end of Kihei Maui & that is where I am getting fried.

You might have some luck trying the various EMF protective devices and supplements
recommended here. I recently got a new job, and have also been getting
fried, although through trial and error I think I'm getting closer to a
solution (and my skin is much less red at the end of the day than it
was a couple of weeks ago!). For this new workplace, my solution seems
to involve some combination of:

-- EMF devices from Quantum Products
-- EMF devices from Earthcalm
(also experimenting with the BioProtect Card)
-- "Primal Defense" supplement
-- "IsoCort" supplement
-- Siberian Ginseng supplement
-- Calcium Lactate supplement
-- Vitamin A supplement
-- H-Minus supplement
-- Cellfood supplement

That's a lot of stuff to balance out, but on a few occasions I've
felt pretty good, while other times I'm still getting fried.

Marc