New member

Hello group,

Just joining...makes me the newbie. I am suffering from Fluorosis, exposureto flluoric acid in
a coal mine and now suffer from Fluorosis....the chemical, a colourless oderless gas causes
radiation sickness. It is in my bones. It is a type of electromagnectic sickness. Fluoric Acid is
the spark that starts electricity from the burning of fossil fuel: coal.

Thought I would join the group to see about tips and tricks and such things....to help me out
a bit.

Thanks.

Warmly,

Karen

Karen,
Very sorry to hear about your condition. I would like to learn more
about the chemical and what it does to the nerves and body in general.
Do you have a particular reference or website that has info that you
prefer?
If there isn't one, I am not surprised and that is OK. This group has a
lot of experience with detoxing, supplements, various treatments,
gadgets, machines, etc... I have never heard of your condition and am
reluctant to give much detox advice other than the basic good health
practices that support the body's own natural processes until I know
more.
I am into raw organic milk, cheese, colostrum as a great source of
intestinal and immune support. I do have an agenda as my brother sells
it in California. And, I do recommend finding local sources to support
local organic farmers. I buy my raw milk locally in North Carolina.
For shielding, I use grounded copper paint on my bedroom walls and
silver lined fabric on windows (grounded) and where a hat that is
silver lined to reduce the headaches, stomach aches, general pangs and
pains, etc. from cell phones and WiFi radiation. LESSEMF.COM has a lot
of stuff. I use Stetzer filters and Quantum Power conditioner strips to
reduce EMF pollution in house wiring.
Where do you feel the worst? At home, around cell phones, cell towers,
power lines, flourescent lighting, appliances, cars, chemical scents,
...?
Welcome to the list.
Andrew



On Jan 10, 2006, at 2:10 PM, tayloka_40 wrote:

> I am into raw organic milk, cheese, colostrum as a great source of
> intestinal and immune support.

Have you found any of these to be helpful for ES? I have found
the raw organic milk good at boosting my energy levels and
immune system, and possibly also for losing weight, but I haven't
noticed any change in ES symptoms from it so far. But I've
only been experimenting with it less than a month.

On the subject of detoxing, I've also just started experimenting
with a new supplement called "Natural Cellular Defense". Here is
an article describing it:

http://www.newstarget.com/015232.html

As with all chelators, issue#1 is to determine if it causes me
unacceptable side effects. So far, my side effects have been
muscle (nerve?) pain in my arms, neck, and back, plus dehydration.
However, this is with a tiny dosage - 1 drop a day or less (less
is by putting a drop in a glass of water, stirring, then drinking
only part of the water). Since the recommended dose for detoxing
is 30 drops per day, I can see that my initial tolerance for this
supplement is extremely low. Too soon to say what will happen
with this, as I've only had this less than a week.

Marc

When I first starting drinking colustrum I immediately had more energy,
more resistance to radiation and felt more up tone and positive.
Now that I am on a higher and more steady plateau, I think it is an
integral part of me keeping my strength even and consistent.
To know exactly what it does for me, I think I would need to stop
drinking and eating raw milk products for at least a month to see the
difference. I don't want to do that because I think I am finally
getting to the point where I can be around cell phones for 1/2 hour
without getting a stomach ache. I still get symptoms in my head; pains
and lose focus- attention. Hopefully my other detox methods will put
the stuff out of my head in time.
Andrew


On Jan 10, 2006, at 3:18 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

Hello,
I always get frustrated with people who don't know me or
anything about me but want to give me advice off the top of their
heads especially when it is not asked for. I am definitely giving
advice off the top of my head and doing the same thing I guess. I
have been using bentonite clay mixed with physillum husks. I've
heard that clay is what they used in Russia to treat people exposed
to radiation when they had their accident at a nuclear reactor. I
have been using a product from the health food store by Sonne.  
However, I have heard of a product that is supposed to be superior
and have purchased some although not used it yet. It is a clay
powder. From what I'm told it carries a negative charge to it and so
it is also an anti-oxidant. It is from a website
called, "naturesbodybeautiful". Detoxing is probably going to be
what works for you. In my experience detox pads work good, even
better in some ways than a sauna. Look under foot detox pads on
google. There are some out there for a dollar a pad that are just as
good, imo, as the more expensive ones. If you need I can look up the
exact website where I got them. Welcome.




--- In [hidden email], "tayloka_40" <tayloka_40@y...> wrote:
>
> Hello group,
>
> Just joining...makes me the newbie. I am suffering from Fluorosis,
exposure to flluoric acid in
> a coal mine and now suffer from Fluorosis....the chemical, a
colourless oderless gas causes
> radiation sickness. It is in my bones. It is a type of
electromagnectic sickness. Fluoric Acid is
> the spark that starts electricity from the burning of fossil fuel:
coal.
>
> Thought I would join the group to see about tips and tricks and
such things....to help me out
> a bit.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Karen
>

Hi,

Have picked up another Bioland success this weekend. (volcanic) clay maskwith extract of chamomille, sabila (is like aloe) and mint. Feel the same strong working as i do with some other things i have tried like fresh curcuma and this cream that says it reconnects dormant energy circuits or something, chakra energy point oil as well as those salt crystals again.

The common denominator here may be the liquid gold or monatomic elements..

Anywho, tried the clay mask also under my feet and really felt the meridians open up.. Drastic effect, for the better.

We live on the stuff here so guess one of these days i should carry out the plan that i had for so long and bring a bag of it to the sea and fullbody clay it..

(oh picked up psyllium husk as well, just on intuition. Does keep you regular and will try and mix some in with the clay mask)

Love

quaixemen <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello,
I always get frustrated with people who don't know me or
anything about me but want to give me advice off the top of their
heads especially when it is not asked for. I am definitely giving
advice off the top of my head and doing the same thing I guess. I
have been using bentonite clay mixed with physillum husks.

I also mix in black strap molasis with the physilum husks and clay.  
They have been running an infomercial here in the US about a product
that is essentially physilum, clay, and a bunch of herbs that are
supposed to support the gastroentestinal tract. The claim is that it
cleans out the pipes. Personally, I don't need all those extra herbs
I just want to clean out the pipes if that is possible. I have been
getting really good results with a UV lamp. I use it 10 minutes a
day. You are originally from scandinavia. They don't get much sun
up there. Something I'm doing is really doing my brain a lot of
good. I think mostly from the oil of cilantro I rub into my scalp
and then put on a detox patch. But I think the UV light may have
something to do with it also. I've noticed my memory and recall are
now back as good as they were before everything got foggy.






--- In [hidden email], perla1133 <perla1133@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>    
> Have picked up another Bioland success this weekend. (volcanic)
clay mask with extract of chamomille, sabila (is like aloe) and mint.
Feel the same strong working as i do with some other things i have
tried like fresh curcuma and this cream that says it reconnects
dormant energy circuits or something, chakra energy point oil as well
as those salt crystals again.
>    
> The common denominator here may be the liquid gold or monatomic
elements..
>    
> Anywho, tried the clay mask also under my feet and really felt
the meridians open up.. Drastic effect, for the better.
>    
> We live on the stuff here so guess one of these days i should
carry out the plan that i had for so long and bring a bag of it to
the sea and fullbody clay it..
>    
> (oh picked up psyllium husk as well, just on intuition. Does keep
you regular and will try and mix some in with the clay mask)

Thank you for the welcome, Andrew. And your condolences. Fluorosis causes connective
tissue disorder that is severe and progressive. There is no cure or treatment. There are
many web sites detailing the symptoms of Fluoric Acid poisoning. It is painful and
grueling...ah.....and just continues.

Fluorisis causes central neverous system impairment. There are no immediatesymptoms
on exposure. Mine developed within 10 to 12 hours. And progressed rapidly. With the
CNS, it impairs the calcium absorption in the brain and emuslifies the fatty protiens.
Hence...demylination. This causes nerve problems.

The inability to process calcium has left me wasting with hyper bone density. It affects the
glands mostly, thyroid, pituitary and adrenals. I have had full systemic involvement with
clinical presentation of CREST, bloody sputum on coughing, bleeding gums, cracking
teeth.

It changes the whole body. I am chemically insensitive and synthetic drugscause major
problems with my heart, lungs and kidneys. So....means I am pretty much on my own here.

The best websites for information concerning fluorosis or fluoride poisoning (synthetic
version of fluorine) are the .org sites. I can post these for you if you like. A google search
brings them up.

Funny you should bring up milk. I drink alot. It makes me feel better. Organic only.

I feel the worst, when I can get out, wherever there is alot of activity. Even a simple trip to
the grocery store is complicated.

This really is a difficult condition to manage. I am still not out of the woods but am willing
to try the natural, gentle approach to mending me back whole.

Again, thanks for the warm welcome. I look forward to contributing and getting some
ideas to turn things around.

Warmly,

Karen

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote:

Well don't worry about frustrating me! In the spirit of collaboration I joined the board and
it is implied and welcomed so don't be fretting a thing.

Thank you for the advice. I have tried just about everything...except thosethings I don't
know yet. Unfortunately, I have severe skin shedding on my feet accompaniedby calcium
burns. The bones in my feet spur and come through the skin so those foot patches would
not be a good choice.

I did consider them though.....no where to stick them. I gently remind myself that when
my feet are finished shedding and healed....I will be resoled.

I am very interested in this clay. Could you provide a web site address?

Thanks for the welcome...AND.....the well intentioned and kind advice.

Karen



--- In [hidden email], "quaixemen" <straitguy@s...> wrote:

Hi, Karen,

Welcome to the group! ((((HUGS)))) Sounds like you are really having a bad time of it right now. Is this Fluorosis the same as fluoride poisoning? When I did a search of it, it brings up fluoride poisoning.

It sounds like you have a very good attitude. That is good and will help you when doctors cannot. (I had an undxed medical condition for 48 years from which I was severely ill and nearly died from several times, was bed-ridden for over a dozen years.... If it were not for my attitude, I would not still be here. Doctors told me all the time there was nothing more that could be done. Today I am almost normal; so your attitude will get you far.)

I wish you good health,
Diane

tayloka_40 <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thank you for the welcome, Andrew. And your condolences. Fluorosis causes connective
tissue disorder that is severe and progressive. There is no cure or treatment. There are
many web sites detailing the symptoms of Fluoric Acid poisoning. It is painful and
grueling...ah.....and just continues.

Fluorisis causes central neverous system impairment. There are no immediate symptoms
on exposure. Mine developed within 10 to 12 hours. And progressed rapidly. With the
CNS, it impairs the calcium absorption in the brain and emuslifies the fatty protiens.
Hence...demylination. This causes nerve problems.

The inability to process calcium has left me wasting with hyper bone density. It affects the
glands mostly, thyroid, pituitary and adrenals. I have had full systemic involvement with
clinical presentation of CREST, bloody sputum on coughing, bleeding gums, cracking
teeth.

It changes the whole body. I am chemically insensitive and synthetic drugs cause major
problems with my heart, lungs and kidneys. So....means I am pretty much on my own here.

The best websites for information concerning fluorosis or fluoride poisoning (synthetic
version of fluorine) are the .org sites. I can post these for you if you like. A google search
brings them up.

Funny you should bring up milk. I drink alot. It makes me feel better. Organic only.

I feel the worst, when I can get out, wherever there is alot of activity. Even a simple trip to
the grocery store is complicated.

This really is a difficult condition to manage. I am still not out of the woods but am willing
to try the natural, gentle approach to mending me back whole.

Again, thanks for the warm welcome. I look forward to contributing and getting some
ideas to turn things around.

Warmly,

Karen

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-- In [hidden email], "tayloka_40" <tayloka_40@y...> wrote:
>
>
>
> I am very interested in this clay. Could you provide a web site
address?
>
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "tayloka_40" <tayloka_40@y...>
wrote:
> > >
> > > Hello group,
> > >
> > > Just joining...makes me the newbie. I am suffering from
Fluorosis,
> > exposure to flluoric acid in
> > > a coal mine and now suffer from Fluorosis....the chemical, a
> > colourless oderless gas causes
> > > radiation sickness. It is in my bones. It is a type of
> > electromagnectic sickness. Fluoric Acid is
> > > the spark that starts electricity from the burning of fossil
fuel:

Wow, sorry to hear your predicament.

Just curious, was this a work related thing? Hope you get some
compensation.

I've not found anything I can recall to help get flouride out of your
bones. They seem to say once it's there, it's there.... however, if
all your cells have turned over in a 7 year period, I have to believe
there is a way to get it out.

I've not seen it listed as removable in chelation, but that doesn't
mean it isn't.

I hate to think what my bones look like. We were given Poly Vi-Flor
(flouridated vitamins) till I was 10. Ya know, to help our teeth.  
My teeth are falling apart now. A retired pharmacist turned natural,
said that is happening to the teeth and bones of the kids who took
that for years.

I do believe if you keep looking, there is treatment, maybe even in
electric acupuncture?  

Your feet, I remember reading something once upon a time that helped
for that...

How about coating them with organic coconut or palm oil, or some
Omega 3 rich one like borage? They can be healing. Sometimes you
have to go my intuition on picking, just what you "feel", because
sometimes it really is a strong almost tactile feeling, of what one
to try.

I don't how long ago it happened, but it may still be worth a try to
absorb some excess radiation, -a bleach bath, yes plain old clorox
they use. You'd have to do a search for the proportion to water, and
soak time. Not sure where my recipe is. They use it in hospitals,
got it from an RN. Too many years after my xray exposure though.  
There's also another bath, I thing it was just epsom salts and baking
soda added? -That might be too drying for your feet, keep 'em up. ;)

Last for radiation I can say is the herb "rhodiola rosea". It also
helps energy by ?production of NADH, that gets down on the cell level
with your mitochondria and all, radiation damage. A lot cheaper than
the NADH tablets, and probably other benefits too.

Anyhow, welcome, and give us any tips you find too. :)

~ Snoshoe
 
--- In [hidden email], "tayloka_40" <tayloka_40@y...> wrote:
>
> Hello group,
>
> Just joining...makes me the newbie. I am suffering from Fluorosis,
exposure to flluoric acid in
> a coal mine and now suffer from Fluorosis....the chemical, a
colourless oderless gas causes
> radiation sickness. It is in my bones. It is a type of
electromagnectic sickness. Fluoric Acid is
> the spark that starts electricity from the burning of fossil fuel:
coal.
>
> Thought I would join the group to see about tips and tricks and
such things....to help me out
> a bit.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Karen
>

Hi,

You have to believe there is a way out always, myself i could have easilytaken a diagnosis for an incurable condition. Only i do not believe in conditions (and he didnt dare), Love is unconditional.

remember reading somewhere (and posting here) that tamarind helps get fluor out of the system. If anything those samosa sauses are delicious; it is in a lot of currie pastes as well as the juice, could give it a try..

Love
--------------------------------------------------------------

I've not found anything I can recall to help get flouride out of your
bones. They seem to say once it's there, it's there.... however, if
all your cells have turned over in a 7 year period, I have to believe
there is a way to get it out.

Hi, Snoshoe,

Thanks for the info re rhodiola rosea! I have been using negative ion water to meet my need for NADH because the pills are so expensive. I will try that. The water is helping tho--I am down from 20 mg pills/day to 5mg and 10mg on alternate days with the water making up the difference. I am still lowering the NADH pills but I have to do it slowly or I crash.

Thanks again,
Diane

snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> wrote:
Wow, sorry to hear your predicament.

Just curious, was this a work related thing? Hope you get some
compensation.

I've not found anything I can recall to help get flouride out of your
bones. They seem to say once it's there, it's there.... however, if
all your cells have turned over in a 7 year period, I have to believe
there is a way to get it out.

I've not seen it listed as removable in chelation, but that doesn't
mean it isn't.

I hate to think what my bones look like. We were given Poly Vi-Flor
(flouridated vitamins) till I was 10. Ya know, to help our teeth.
My teeth are falling apart now. A retired pharmacist turned natural,
said that is happening to the teeth and bones of the kids who took
that for years.

I do believe if you keep looking, there is treatment, maybe even in
electric acupuncture?

Your feet, I remember reading something once upon a time that helped
for that...

How about coating them with organic coconut or palm oil, or some
Omega 3 rich one like borage? They can be healing. Sometimes you
have to go my intuition on picking, just what you "feel", because
sometimes it really is a strong almost tactile feeling, of what one
to try.

I don't how long ago it happened, but it may still be worth a try to
absorb some excess radiation, -a bleach bath, yes plain old clorox
they use. You'd have to do a search for the proportion to water, and
soak time. Not sure where my recipe is. They use it in hospitals,
got it from an RN. Too many years after my xray exposure though.
There's also another bath, I thing it was just epsom salts and baking
soda added? -That might be too drying for your feet, keep 'em up. ;)

Last for radiation I can say is the herb "rhodiola rosea". It also
helps energy by ?production of NADH, that gets down on the cell level
with your mitochondria and all, radiation damage. A lot cheaper than
the NADH tablets, and probably other benefits too.

Anyhow, welcome, and give us any tips you find too. :)

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "tayloka_40" <tayloka_40@y...> wrote:
>
> Hello group,
>
> Just joining...makes me the newbie. I am suffering from Fluorosis,
exposure to flluoric acid in
> a coal mine and now suffer from Fluorosis....the chemical, a
colourless oderless gas causes
> radiation sickness. It is in my bones. It is a type of
electromagnectic sickness. Fluoric Acid is
> the spark that starts electricity from the burning of fossil fuel:
coal.
>
> Thought I would join the group to see about tips and tricks and
such things....to help me out
> a bit.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Warmly,
>
> Karen
>






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Thanks for your thoughts.

It was a work related accident. I was at the Genessee generator (Fording Coal Ltd.) in
Stoney Plain, Alberta. It was September 2001. I was there Sept 10, 11, and 12. It is a fairly
large open pit strip mine. The drag line is as big as a football field.

I was there to determine how to get accurate production data from the mine.Was going to
design a GPS measuring system to track field drag, production haul, man hour, and vehicle
maintenance. I was a consultant and the normal worker's compensation does not apply as I
was not an employee of the company.

It was not diagnosed fluorosis until May 2003. An x-ray showed lucency in the bones.
Damn. This is a bugger.

All the suggestions sound fantastic. I have been doing the oral chelation. I thought that
would help and it does. A doctor recommended chelation with some gold by IV. I have not
done that yet. Cannot seem to logic out the process and cannot see how it will help.

You are about the fifth or sixth person to mention this 7 year time period.I made it past
the first 36 months (barely) and that was the critical survival period. So my perdicament
has an upswing to it, I guess.

What I do is: Salt water baths with prepared Iodine. I prepare the iodine myself. This is
daily. Sometimes two or three times a day, depending on the skin burning and swelling.
 
Sea Kelp and potassium, calcium (2-3 grams/day), beta carotine, blue green algae, zinc,
soy lecithin, 3-6-9, borage (oraly), ecchinacea, selenium, vitamin E, garlic. Magnesium for
muscle pain. Boron to harden my bones. Vitamin D, Vitamin B 100 mg (all), chromium, B6
and B12. Finally...I take progesterone for adrenal support and I take about300 to 700 mg
a day. Depending. It helps my heart and blood pressure. I suffer from heartand lung
involvement.

My hands and feet are the most visually affected. I get sores...almost likeholes at joint
locations and the skin is shedding. Pretty painful. I have tried all the oils, almond, grape...I
have soaked in cycades (spelling on that but it is the bugs that come up once every 117
years). The male exo-skeleton has prostoglandins in it. The soak helps withthe
inflammation.

I also use FIR. I started sacro-cranial therapy on my spine using Far Infrared radiation.
THAT has been the most helpful. I get this therapy through a massage bed, amedical
device in Canada, called Ceragem (www.ceragem.com). This provides moxibustion,
accupressure and of course the heat. I am constantly cold so this is a luxary for me.

I have started the FIR sauna and those are helpful also. Not enough of themyet to make a
difference. A significant one anyway and they are pretty expensive.

Sorry to hear about your teeth. Mine are affected to with the cracking and brown mottling
characteristic of fluorosis. I have not dealt with my teeth yet. Kind of a low priority with all
this other stuff going on. I have been told the brown mottling will be
permanent...BUT...the teeth with the brown mottling are stronger...LOLOLOL....I look
forward to having only the brown teeth left....sheesh...(that was a joke).

I am going to look for that herb. Thanks for the suggestions.

Karen

Can you explain this bleach bath. What is the chemical reaction? What does the bleach do
to "entice" the flouride out?








--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <nonengbunny@h...> wrote:

You know....since becoming sick, I don't believe the same as I used to and I have faith in
me that whatever comes about.....I can handle it.

I KNOW...with every ounce of me....I am going to fix this. It is just goingto take some
time...and since I am going nowhere fast I can dedicate my life to saving it. Saving me has
become my new career. I think I am up for a job review here soon...LOLOLOL....

Hey...I love samosas!

--- In [hidden email], perla1133 <perla1133@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>    
> You have to believe there is a way out always, myself i could have easily taken a
diagnosis for an incurable condition. Only i do not believe in conditions (and he didnt
dare), Love is unconditional.
>    
> remember reading somewhere (and posting here) that tamarind helps get fluor out of
the system. If anything those samosa sauses are delicious; it is in a lot of currie pastes as
well as the juice, could give it a try..
>    
> Love
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I've not found anything I can recall to help get flouride out of your
> bones. They seem to say once it's there, it's there.... however, if
> all your cells have turned over in a 7 year period, I have to believe
> there is a way to get it out.
>

I have been doing some reading on soy products.

http://www.wholesoystory.com/About_the_Whole_Soy_Story.html
http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm

It seems that the old-fashioned fermented soy foods like miso and shoyu
or tamari soy sauce, Tempeh,etc are OK. The processed products like
lecithin, soybean oil, etc. are very bad.
with love and in health,
Andrew



On Jan 15, 2006, at 2:11 PM, tayloka_40 wrote:

>
> Sea Kelp and potassium, calcium (2-3 grams/day), beta carotine, blue
> green algae, zinc,
> soy lecithin,

I don't know that the bleach bath gets the fluoride out, I think it's
just suppose to absorb the radiation, at least x-rays, perhaps like the
iodine. You might ask Dr., the medical practice uses it. Not that
bleach is good for you either, but maybe the lesser of two evils.

Did find recipe for it- Add 1 cup Clorox bleach to hot bath; soak for
15–20 minutes.
and other bath:
Add 1 pound each of sea salt and baking soda to hot bath; soak until
bath is cool. (RN had told me epsom salts, but perhaps it doesn't
matter which.)

I know someone decades back that received gold treatments for
arthritis, didn't help, and I think it made her worse.
Was just reading about monoatomic gold (white gold dust) haven't got to
try it yet, but maybe that would be something to look into.

Thing with 7yr. cell turn over, is the cells need to be made stronger
in that time, and finding things to rebuild your DNA isn't so easy.

I know people have used those Nikken magnetic shoe insoles and gotten
rid of cold feet. Increases circulation, maybe that would help with
cold, and healing feet. Just a thought.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "tayloka_40" <tayloka_40@y...> wrote:
A doctor recommended chelation with some gold by IV. I have not
> done that yet. Cannot seem to logic out the process and cannot see
how it will help.
>
>
> What I do is: Salt water baths with prepared Iodine. I prepare the
iodine myself. This is
> daily. Sometimes two or three times a day, depending on the skin
burning and swelling.
>  
> My hands and feet are the most visually affected.
>
> Can you explain this bleach bath. What is the chemical reaction? What
does the bleach do
> to "entice" the flouride out?

Hi, Karen,
   
What you have said here... This is EXACTLY how I approached my illness. Bless you, dear. I have faith that you will make it, too. I feel for youfor all the supplements/etc. you have to take. It is a shame that the govt or someone can't help you with the cost.  
   
Not that you would want to take another supplement, but I, too, had adrenal problems and I took pantethine (6X330 mg/day), calcium, and CoQ10 (300mg/day) to help with it. Even half that helps (lately I have been cutting down and go for awhile with less from time to time to see what I can do without since I am better). I used to hardly be able to move without my blood pressure falling thru the floor (due to adrenals), but then when I found pantethine and calcium, a nutritionist told me to use them in combo when my bpstarted falling and it would bring it back up. Since then I have been able to clean and go on walks and bike rides, etc, without any bp or energy crashing. If you should decide to try this, the pantethine and calcium that I use to bring the bp back up is in addition to what I take daily. You didn't mention a bp problem, but it helps with the chills, too.  
   
My best to you; (give yourself a raise on your job performance) ;)
Diane

tayloka_40 <[hidden email]> wrote:
You know....since becoming sick, I don't believe the same as I used to and I have faith in
me that whatever comes about.....I can handle it.

I KNOW...with every ounce of me....I am going to fix this. It is just goingto take some
time...and since I am going nowhere fast I can dedicate my life to saving it. Saving me has
become my new career. I think I am up for a job review here soon...LOLOLOL....

Hey...I love samosas!

--- In [hidden email], perla1133 <perla1133@y...> wrote:
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> Hi,
>    
> You have to believe there is a way out always, myself i could have easily taken a
diagnosis for an incurable condition. Only i do not believe in conditions (and he didnt
dare), Love is unconditional.
>    
> remember reading somewhere (and posting here) that tamarind helps get fluor out of
the system. If anything those samosa sauses are delicious; it is in a lot of currie pastes as
well as the juice, could give it a try..
>    
> Love
> --------------------------------------------------------------
>
> I've not found anything I can recall to help get flouride out of your
> bones. They seem to say once it's there, it's there.... however, if
> all your cells have turned over in a 7 year period, I have to believe
> there is a way to get it out.
>






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Hi Andrew,

I was heavy into soy products because I was gluten intolerant due to celiac disease. I became hypothyroid and after having problems with thyroid meds and trying various things for the hypothyroid, I found that soy was something that can affect the thyroid. I eliminated all soy from my diet and now (for the last 2 years) my tsh is just under 1 and I no longer have to take meds for thyroid at all. I can't help but wonder how many others out there suffer from soy created thyroid problems!

Diane

Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:
I have been doing some reading on soy products.

http://www.wholesoystory.com/About_the_Whole_Soy_Story.html
http://www.mercola.com/article/soy/avoid_soy.htm

It seems that the old-fashioned fermented soy foods like miso and shoyu
or tamari soy sauce, Tempeh,etc are OK. The processed products like
lecithin, soybean oil, etc. are very bad.
with love and in health,
Andrew



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> Sea Kelp and potassium, calcium (2-3 grams/day), beta carotine, blue
> green algae, zinc,
> soy lecithin,





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