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Been browsing a lot today, I just ran across this:

"Later, gold took over as the leading metal for health, as its
colloid form could remove fluoride and mercury from the body and
brain." Located at the bottom area of:
http://members.aol.com/doewatch/cfs.html

I'm going to try adding the pantothenic acid w/calcium. Tried years
back for allergies, and didn't help even large doses, but I can use
some bp raising. Have almost passed out from it when trying oriental
herbs that as a sideline lower it or blood pressure at times.
Sometimes get the dizzy's getting up, like lately, other times not so
much.


~Snoshoe



--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:

I used to hardly be able to move without my blood pressure falling
thru the floor (due to adrenals), but then when I found pantethine
and calcium, a nutritionist told me to use them in combo when my bp
started falling and it would bring it back up.

Diane,
I have read about cases like yours and I am glad that you figured it
out. Good for you!
Andrew
On Jan 15, 2006, at 5:00 PM, Evie wrote:

I scanned the article. Not worth reading in my opinion. The guy is
another one of those conspiracy nuts working on the "grand unified
theory of everything conspiratorial." Surprised he didnt' somehow
tie in the Kennedy assasination.




--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <nonengbunny@h...> wrote:
>
> Been browsing a lot today, I just ran across this:
>
> "Later, gold took over as the leading metal for health, as its
> colloid form could remove fluoride and mercury from the body and
> brain." Located at the bottom area of:
> http://members.aol.com/doewatch/cfs.html
>
> I'm going to try adding the pantothenic acid w/calcium. Tried
years
> back for allergies, and didn't help even large doses, but I can use
> some bp raising. Have almost passed out from it when trying
oriental
> herbs that as a sideline lower it or blood pressure at times.
> Sometimes get the dizzy's getting up, like lately, other times not
so

Thanks, Diane. I forgot about the CoQ10. My mother mentioned the pantethine. I haven't
tried it yet as I have been megadosing on the B100s (all the Bs in 100mg dosages..except
for folic).

My blood pressure has come up...from 72/58 or around 100 over 70. Not bad. Being low
like that has caused me to "expire". Just drop where I stand I do.....I woke up in the shower
once...LOLOLOL When it drops it just tanks.

The low BP is accompanied by rapid heart rate which, only once mind you, hit 283 beets a
minute. They call that an atrial flutter and daNg it if I don't know why...it's because with
the beating atrium it feels like a bird flapping like mad to get out of your chest.
Irrespective of what they call it THAT is a scary experience.

Most of this symptom management has been commanding the courage. Not being scared
or freaking out, like when your entire arm, or face or chest goes completely numb.

Diane...I also Qi Gong, Yoga, stretch and have started some weight exercises with my arms
with five pound weights. I tire easily but I try to do at least 6 to 12. Doesn't sound like
much but man...for me I am Olympic material hitting 12!

Prior to my exposure I was very athletic. Ran about 15 to 20 k a week, rodemy horse for
about 17 to 20 hours. I worked full time...ran my house..you know the usualSuper Woman
stuff.

Thanks for your support and cheering. It helps.

Karen



--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Karen,
>    
> What you have said here... This is EXACTLY how I approached my illness. Bless you,
dear. I have faith that you will make it, too. I feel for you for all thesupplements/etc. you
have to take. It is a shame that the govt or someone can't help you with the cost.  
>    
> Not that you would want to take another supplement, but I, too, had adrenal problems
and I took pantethine (6X330 mg/day), calcium, and CoQ10 (300mg/day) to help with it.  
Even half that helps (lately I have been cutting down and go for awhile with less from time
to time to see what I can do without since I am better). I used to hardly be able to move
without my blood pressure falling thru the floor (due to adrenals), but then when I found
pantethine and calcium, a nutritionist told me to use them in combo when mybp started
falling and it would bring it back up. Since then I have been able to clean and go on walks
and bike rides, etc, without any bp or energy crashing. If you should decide to try this, the
pantethine and calcium that I use to bring the bp back up is in addition towhat I take
daily. You didn't mention a bp problem, but it helps with the chills, too.  
>    
> My best to you; (give yourself a raise on your job performance) ;)
> Diane
>
> tayloka_40 <tayloka_40@y...> wrote:
> You know....since becoming sick, I don't believe the same as I used to and I have faith
in
> me that whatever comes about.....I can handle it.
>
> I KNOW...with every ounce of me....I am going to fix this. It is just going to take some
> time...and since I am going nowhere fast I can dedicate my life to savingit. Saving me
has of
> the system. If anything those samosa sauses are delicious; it is in a lotof currie pastes
as Health promotion and wellness Health and wellness promotion Business health wellness

I found the article quite interesting and liked the MSM, Glutathione,
etc. Gold Colloid angle as I have heard it a couple of times before.
And I wouldn't have mind if he included the JKF piece.
Andrew
On Jan 15, 2006, at 8:40 PM, quaixemen wrote:

Hi again, Karen,
   
I took the pantethine in addition to the B100s I was also on. I personally need the massive pantethine supplementation. Any strenuous exercise at all can still drop me in my tracks if I am not on enough pantethine, CoQ10,and calcium; even tho my regular bp is about the same as yours--100 over 68. Sounds like you are doing well, tho, with what you have been doing.  
   
I, too, had the atrial flutter. I got so used to weird and scary symptoms that I got pretty unflappable. (I had MS symptoms all the time and was misdxed with MS for awhile, so know what the numbness is like, too. The numbness was scary to me, as I got it when I was younger. By the time I got the flutters, I was well used to the thought that anything might happen at any time. lol)  
   
Way to go with those weights! I have not gotten that far yet. My daily exercise routine is still rebounding.  
   
Sending healing thoughts,
Diane
 
tayloka_40 <[hidden email]> wrote:
Thanks, Diane. I forgot about the CoQ10. My mother mentioned the pantethine. I haven't
tried it yet as I have been megadosing on the B100s (all the Bs in 100mg dosages..except
for folic).

My blood pressure has come up...from 72/58 or around 100 over 70. Not bad. Being low
like that has caused me to "expire". Just drop where I stand I do.....I woke up in the shower
once...LOLOLOL When it drops it just tanks.

The low BP is accompanied by rapid heart rate which, only once mind you, hit 283 beets a
minute. They call that an atrial flutter and daNg it if I don't know why...it's because with
the beating atrium it feels like a bird flapping like mad to get out of your chest.
Irrespective of what they call it THAT is a scary experience.

Most of this symptom management has been commanding the courage. Not being scared
or freaking out, like when your entire arm, or face or chest goes completely numb.

Diane...I also Qi Gong, Yoga, stretch and have started some weight exercises with my arms
with five pound weights. I tire easily but I try to do at least 6 to 12. Doesn't sound like
much but man...for me I am Olympic material hitting 12!

Prior to my exposure I was very athletic. Ran about 15 to 20 k a week, rodemy horse for
about 17 to 20 hours. I worked full time...ran my house..you know the usualSuper Woman
stuff.

Thanks for your support and cheering. It helps.

Karen



--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@y...> wrote:
>
> Hi, Karen,
>    
> What you have said here... This is EXACTLY how I approached my illness. Bless you,
dear. I have faith that you will make it, too. I feel for you for all thesupplements/etc. you
have to take. It is a shame that the govt or someone can't help you with the cost.  
>    
> Not that you would want to take another supplement, but I, too, had adrenal problems
and I took pantethine (6X330 mg/day), calcium, and CoQ10 (300mg/day) to help with it.  
Even half that helps (lately I have been cutting down and go for awhile with less from time
to time to see what I can do without since I am better). I used to hardly be able to move
without my blood pressure falling thru the floor (due to adrenals), but then when I found
pantethine and calcium, a nutritionist told me to use them in combo when mybp started
falling and it would bring it back up. Since then I have been able to clean and go on walks
and bike rides, etc, without any bp or energy crashing. If you should decide to try this, the
pantethine and calcium that I use to bring the bp back up is in addition towhat I take
daily. You didn't mention a bp problem, but it helps with the chills, too.  
>    
> My best to you; (give yourself a raise on your job performance) ;)
> Diane
>
> tayloka_40 <tayloka_40@y...> wrote:
> You know....since becoming sick, I don't believe the same as I used to and I have faith
in
> me that whatever comes about.....I can handle it.
>
> I KNOW...with every ounce of me....I am going to fix this. It is just going to take some
> time...and since I am going nowhere fast I can dedicate my life to savingit. Saving me
has of
> the system. If anything those samosa sauses are delicious; it is in a lotof currie pastes
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I think you may be in England, right? You're radio over there is
very different I believe than the radio over here. I listen to these
people quite a lot and have seen things that other people have not
seen because they have never been put in the position I have been put
in by these people. Don't ask me to elaborate on that. As far as
there health practices go, they have many assumptions that I do not
make. These are very religious people who have beliefs about being
created here by a god on this planet and that everything on this
planet in its natural form is somehow good otherwise god wouldn't
have put it here for us. These are unproven assumptions and beliefs.
For all we know we may have been brought to this planet or come to
this planet for somewhere else by other beings flying around in
spaceships. Their reasoning in many instances is therefore very
illogical because it is based on unproven assumptions and beliefs.  
However, I have found that they are indeed a good source of
information on a number of products as long as they don't try to
think with their brains, which they are uncapable of doing. But by
using trial and error they have indeed found some good things. This
article sounds like they are trying to think again.




--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote:
>
> I found the article quite interesting and liked the MSM,
Glutathione,
> etc. Gold Colloid angle as I have heard it a couple of times
before.
> And I wouldn't have mind if he included the JKF piece.
> Andrew
> On Jan 15, 2006, at 8:40 PM, quaixemen wrote:
>
> >
> > I scanned the article. Not worth reading in my opinion. The guy
is
> > another one of those conspiracy nuts working on the "grand unified
> > theory of everything conspiratorial." Surprised he didnt' somehow
> > tie in the Kennedy assasination.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <nonengbunny@h...>
wrote: use
> >> some bp raising. Have almost passed out from it when trying
> > oriental
> >> herbs that as a sideline lower it or blood pressure at times.
> >> Sometimes get the dizzy's getting up, like lately, other times
not falling
> >> thru the floor (due to adrenals), but then when I found
pantethine
> >> and calcium, a nutritionist told me to use them in combo when my
bp

I posted it specifically because Tayloka said her Dr. was suggesting
IV gold therapy.

Doesn't matter where someone is, if they want the truth they will
find it.
Let's not go back to the salt lamp issue of calling things we don't
know about fantasy huh?

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote:
>
> I found the article quite interesting and liked the MSM,
Glutathione,
> etc. Gold Colloid angle as I have heard it a couple of times
before.
> And I wouldn't have mind if he included the JKF piece.
> Andrew
> On Jan 15, 2006, at 8:40 PM, quaixemen wrote:
>
> >
> > I scanned the article. Not worth reading in my opinion. The guy
is
> > another one of those conspiracy nuts working on the "grand unified
> > theory of everything conspiratorial." Surprised he didnt' somehow
> > tie in the Kennedy assasination.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <nonengbunny@h...>
wrote: use
> >> some bp raising. Have almost passed out from it when trying
> > oriental
> >> herbs that as a sideline lower it or blood pressure at times.
> >> Sometimes get the dizzy's getting up, like lately, other times
not
> > so
> >> much.
> >>
> >>
> >> ~Snoshoe

But I feel that quaixemen makes the valid point that we should test the
sources of things we read on the Internet. After all, lots of claims made
in various lists/websites/chatrooms are completely contradictory, so which
one should we believe?



I tracked back from the article and, although it looked good at first, some
bits seemed odd. Google led back to an email thread where this guy (Jim
Phelps) and a couple of others were slagging each other off for literally
pages and pages, in the most childish manner! Didn't give me any positive
view of his credibility.



That being said, there are lots of good references in his article which he
seems to have picked up from lots of real articles and academic papers in
various places. That's great, and the original references on MSM,
glutathione etc are obviously valuable and credible. But the way this guy
tosses hundreds of scattered articles into the soup and pulls them together
into his own pet overall theory - sorry, I don't buy it. Better to go back
to the original reference, if one can, and see what the people actually
said, rather than someone's second-hand interpretation.



Incidentally, reading some of the kiddyish slanging matches going on in some
other forums and mailgroups make me realize how lucky we are in this group
where everybody's different views and insights are valued and accepted (and
thanks especially Marc for giving it this ethos, and keeping it this way).



Finally, from my limited knowledge of chemistry - gold is normally very
unreactive, so fluoride ions might be almost the only one which bond with it
- maybe that might be a selective mechanism by which gold colloid could
remove/"detox" fluorides. Just a thought.



Ian



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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
snoshoe_2
Sent: 17 January 2006 18:38
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Re: MSM Gold article



I posted it specifically because Tayloka said her Dr. was suggesting
IV gold therapy.

Doesn't matter where someone is, if they want the truth they will
find it.
Let's not go back to the salt lamp issue of calling things we don't
know about fantasy huh?

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@n...> wrote:
>
> I found the article quite interesting and liked the MSM,
Glutathione,
> etc. Gold Colloid angle as I have heard it a couple of times
before.
> And I wouldn't have mind if he included the JKF piece.
> Andrew
> On Jan 15, 2006, at 8:40 PM, quaixemen wrote:
>
> >
> > I scanned the article. Not worth reading in my opinion. The guy
is
> > another one of those conspiracy nuts working on the "grand unified
> > theory of everything conspiratorial." Surprised he didnt' somehow
> > tie in the Kennedy assasination.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <nonengbunny@h...>
wrote: use
> >> some bp raising. Have almost passed out from it when trying
> > oriental
> >> herbs that as a sideline lower it or blood pressure at times.
> >> Sometimes get the dizzy's getting up, like lately, other times
not
> > so
> >> much.
> >>
> >>
> >> ~Snoshoe








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