New and Overwhelmed!

Intro

Hi all, I am new to this group but not new to these horrible EMS
symptoms. Just want to share my EMS story. Recently I realized that I
have been suffering for about 10 years.

Now I know what caused my thyroid cancer that was removed a couple of
years ago. I always contributed my EMS symptoms to the thyroid issue
(they are remarkably similar, tiredness, fibromyalgia, brain fog, poor
digestion, tingling, jointm muscle pain) etc. That is why I never
connected the dots. Plus, my brain is fried most of the time to figure
these things properly. I live in Toronto but I am originally from
Croatia. As soon as I step out of the plane while visiting Europe and I
mean, "INSTANTENIOULSY" I feel completely healthy, as if I had
never had any EMS EVER. Vice Versa, coming back to Canada it hits me
right from the airport. I convinced myself that I am just stressed out
in Canada and therefore feeling betetr on my vacation. It is peculiar
how many people love to point out that it is all in my head , so I
accepted it. I am so angry with myself now.

I am ready to learn about this affliction as much as possible.

I went back to February 2004 messages and diligently read about 300
postings right from the start, not understanding much of it. Almost
cooked myself in front of the screen. WAYYYY to technical for me but I
hope to catch up slowly. Not sure if people like Charles, Drasko, Willi
Borlin, Sarah Benson are still around. I sincerely hope everyone is
alive and doing better in the last five years. What a great laugh
learning about different personalities.

I realized that most of us have many things in common. I had 10 amalgam
fillings removed 11 years ago. It was done so poorly, I remember
swallowing a good chunk of it. Coincidently, over the years I had many
intravenous chelation session and cilantro juices, Greens Plus powder,
thinking I was helping my Thyroid. For years everything I touched gave
me electric shocks. I dread turning on my lights and opening my fridge.
It's funny, my electricity bill is only $20 a month but I
haven't lost any weight. J

My Current Status

So, 4 weeks ago when the lightning rod struck me and I finally clued in
as to what was happening to me, I started ordering stuff. Earthcalm
resonator 14 circuits that plugs in and a leg bracelet 14 circuits,
bingo. I got better right away. DAY ONE, great improvement, (Marc I
understand how you were able to go back to work right after buying
polarizers, I had exactly the same energy surge from this stuff) DAY
TWO my suffering began. Now I know it is detoxing, or I hope it is. It
is unclear to me how I do not go into detox in Europe but feel better
immediately. Hopefully someone has figured that out.

I also had a consulting company come to my place and measure dirty
electricity and install STETZER filters. Not sure if it is doing any
good. When they measured , one light was as much as 1,800 GS and now
it 30 -50 GS, whatever that means. I think my issues come from
outside. RF from my balcony, 19th floor, read .15 microwatts per
square cm from the Cell tower about 1/2 mile away from me. Again, I
am not sure if that is high enough to bother me but maybe some of you
will know. I feel dizzy when I enter my place and particularly when I
sit facing the cell mast. While measuring for dirty electricity was in
progress, I unplugged my Earthcalm resonator thinking. "Now I have these
filters therefore I do not need the resonator"....Ohhh, what a mistake
! Within minutes I felt violently ill.

The third thing I ordered was the EMF Blues Clearfield plate. I have it
on my balcony pointing in the direction of the cell mast. No idea if it
is doing anything because I am terrified of unplugging my Earthcalm
resonator J.

from early postings I could not quite understand how to protect my
bedroom to alleviate these RFs but hopefully there is a file somewhere
that states what to do or what to buy. I noticed that others are
currently discussing Digital TV box. Makes me sick too, have not
switched it on in weeks. Sorry for a long story. Going back to read
April 2004 messages. Hopefully I can bring some value to this group one
day.

Marc , thank you for putting many hours into this and of course to
everyone else for participating.

Sandra



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Welcome to the group, Sandra. Hopefully we can all help each other out.

> Earthcalm resonator 14 circuits that plugs in and a leg bracelet 14
> circuits, bingo. I got better right away. DAY ONE, great
> improvement, (Marc I understand how you were able to go back to work
> right after buying polarizers, I had exactly the same energy surge
> from this stuff) DAY TWO my suffering began. Now I know it is
> detoxing, or I hope it is.

Yeah, I had to give up on the Earthcalm stuff, as it was simply too
strong for me, and provoking too many detox side effects. And I'm
unconvinced that using an EMF protection devices is the best way to
remove toxins from your body. I much prefer the idea of having
something physically inside your body escorting toxins out (e.g.
chlorella, zeolite, alpha lipoic acid, activated charcoal, etc.)

> is unclear to me how I do not go into detox in Europe but feel better
> immediately. Hopefully someone has figured that out.

Yes, that is unclear to me as well, as presumably where you were in
Europe had EMF sources nearby? I recall that at a time when I was
doing poorly I went on a trip to Italy. And even in remote villages
like Assisi I was still having problems, as even the old churches
used florescent lighting (and I'm sure the power quality was fairly
poor there).

> The third thing I ordered was the EMF Blues Clearfield plate. I have
> it on my balcony pointing in the direction of the cell mast. No idea
> if it is doing anything because I am terrified of unplugging my
> Earthcalm resonator J.

I don't even know what an "EMF Blues Clearfield plate" is! But you
should periodically go without things to see if they really are doing
you good. It could be that they are doing nothing or even making some
problems worse. But I certainly understand your reluctance to be
without something that works for you -- for years, I went 24/7 with some
exposure to item from Quantum Products. Now I'm not quite so
strict, nor is it necessary for me to be so, after years of supporting
myself nutritionally and detoxing.

Marc

> Yeah, I had to give up on the Earthcalm stuff, as it was simply too
> strong for me, and provoking too many detox side effects. And I'm
> unconvinced that using an EMF protection devices is the best way to
> remove toxins from your body.  

No I do not think that these protection devices remove toxins at all. It isjust that they make our environment a little more livable and our bodies heal and eliminate a little better.So kind of an indirect benefit.

I much prefer the idea of having
> something physically inside your body escorting toxins out (e.g.
> chlorella, zeolite, alpha lipoic acid, activated charcoal, etc.)

Absolutely, organic, gluten free diet is a big help, not to bring all kind of toxins into your body in the first place. I haven't caught up with all messages to know your current status with devices and overall health. I alsoknow that The zone diet makes me feel better but it is hard to stick to it.
I think that when we are not being provoked by external factors toxins sleep in us and do not cause problems. When we are exposed to many negative factors we respond like antennas. It is all in the quantity, everyone has toxins in them but not everyone suffers from EMS. The same principle applies to dump/dry wheather changes and EMS.
At least my symptoms are worse when it raines.

> > The third thing I ordered was the EMF Blues Clearfield plate. I have
> > it on my balcony pointing in the direction of the cell mast. No idea
> > if it is doing anything because I am terrified of unplugging my
> > Earthcalm resonator J.
>
> I don't even know what an "EMF Blues Clearfield plate" is! But you
> should periodically go without things to see if they really are doing yougood. It could be that they are doing nothing or even making some > problems worse. But I certainly understand your reluctance to be without something that works for you -- for years, I went 24/7 with some exposure to item from Quantum Products. Now I'm not quite so strict, nor is it necessary for me to be so, after years of supporting myself nutritionally and detoxing.
 

Yes, you are right, I should check it periodically as I try and detox properly. Gluten free is essential, according to many registered dieticians if you consume carbs you are not detoxing properly as candida continues to proliferate. As far as supplements go I read you took something called Amrit, an Indian herb mix, I will check it out.

> Marc
>

> No I do not think that these protection devices remove toxins at all. It
> is just that they make our environment a little more livable and our
> bodies heal and eliminate a little better. So kind of an indirect benefit.

I think when you first start using a device that actually works for
you, your body will try to dump some of its stored toxins. However,
whether or not those toxins actually all make it out of your body
(or merely recirculate and go elsewhere) depends on how well your
liver and kidneys are functioning.

> I haven't caught u know your current status with devices and overall
> health. p
> with all messages to

Me? I a nutshell:

-- became electrically sensitive in mid 2000
-- out of work, very ill for first half of 2001
-- removed mercury fillings, started detox, started using EMF devices in late 2001
-- improved greatly during 2001 - 2003, situation becomes "acceptable" but not cured
-- took a break from all the effort and expense in 2004, and started this group
-- little to no improvement in 2005 - 2006, things still acceptable
-- started going downhill in 2007, probably due to inadequate adrenal support and no detox
-- unfortunate experience with an ionic footbath in late 2007, ES immediately much worse,
back to part-time work
-- back to lots of supplements, improved throughout 2008, getting back to where I was
pre-footbath
-- situation acceptable in 2009, but not cured

These days I'm looking at detox methods again, and am currently investigating liquid zeolite
and alpha lipoic acid. My lab tests indicate that I'm not heavy metal toxic, however
my intolerance to heavy metal detox supplements indicates I still am.

> I think that when we are not being provoked by external factors toxins
> sleep in us and do not cause problems.

Yes, but why would your trip to Europe be so special? I've traveled a lot
with my ES, and I still have symptoms when traveling... except perhaps
when I'm on a remote beach... :-)

> As far as supplements go I read you took
> something called Amrit, an Indian herb mix

Yes, also H-Minus from e3Live is good for temporary relief from my
ES symptoms. If you are reading archives from back in 2004, I may
have called this supplement "Microhydrin" or "Mega-H", which
were earlier incarnations of the same thing.

Marc

> The third thing I ordered was the EMF Blues Clearfield plate.

Okay, I found a web page for this:

http://www.emfblues.com/ClearfieldPlate.html

As I said before, I've never heard of this, so
please let us know if it does anything, Sandra...

Marc

In stead of this EMF Blues Clearfield plate, I can deliver you one
BioProtect card for $ 300,-.
Included shipping and VAT.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton



----- Original Message -----
From: "Marc Martin" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Friday, June 19, 2009 8:17 PM
Subject: [eSens] EMF Blues Clearfield plate

> In stead of this EMF Blues Clearfield plate, I can deliver you one
> BioProtect card for $ 300,-. Included shipping and VAT.

Heh, heh... I didn't see that the price was $300. As I said recently,
prices for EMF protection devices have a very large range, you can
probably find some that are as low as $10, or as high as $1000! But you
may find in comparing items that a low priced item works as well or
better as a higher priced one.

That said, I have gotten a lot of benefit from my $500 Quantum Pro, and
it certainly paid for itself quite quickly due to it helping me get
back to work and earning money. I know from personal experience that a
less expensive BioProtect card would NOT have been able to enable me
to tolerate my workplace.

Marc

> I noticed that others are currently discussing Digital TV box. Makes
> me sick too, have not switched it on in weeks.

On the subject of the Digital TV conversion box, I have certainly had
reactions to a variety of newly purchased electronics over the years --
PCs, monitors, digital cable box, HDTVs, digital cameras, MP3 players,
telephones, cellphones, etc. If you're having an adverse reaction,
certainly one thing you could try is to return it and try a similar
product from a different manufacturer, and see if it's any better. I
rarely have needed to this however. Generally I put an EMF protection
device onto the new electronics, and keep it there for a week or two.
For me, I tend to use a Slimline Springlife Polarizer, or a Quantum
Home, or maybe a RADAR card or a Tachyonized silica disc (note that
there is a large price range in these items). Generally placing the EMF
device on the object reduces my reaction, and after some time has
passed, I may even find that a device is no longer needed there, as if
the device has had some sort of permanent effect on the electronics.
Either that or the electronics have offgassed or I have merely gotten
used to it. :-)

As I said, this generally, but not always works for me. Sometimes
I will still return or stop using a product, or always use it with
an EMF protection device.

Marc

 
>Yes, but why would your trip to Europe be so special? I've traveled a lot
>with my ES, and I still have symptoms when traveling... except perhaps
>when I'm on a remote beach... :-)

 
Good point, I do not  think that the trip is special in the sense that something out of ordinary happens in Croatia,  it is just less EMF polluted, that is all. Whatever my exposure to the EMF over-there I can obviously handle it.  I do not go through the detox at all. My symptoms stop abruptly,  as they come back when I land in Canada.  I am talking, minutes. In March of this year I was in Mexico around Cancun. Not a very good experience. Towers are like mushrooms there, cell masts and electrical, without any control. So it  is not the holiday -mental factor. .
 

--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New and Overwhelmed!
To: [hidden email]
Received: Friday, June 19, 2009, 10:05 AM








> No I do not think that these protection devices remove toxins at all. It
> is just that they make our environment a little more livable and our
> bodies heal and eliminate a little better. So kind of an indirect benefit.

I think when you first start using a device that actually works for
you, your body will try to dump some of its stored toxins. However,
whether or not those toxins actually all make it out of your body
(or merely recirculate and go elsewhere) depends on how well your
liver and kidneys are functioning.

> I haven't caught u know your current status with devices and overall
> health. p
> with all messages to

Me? I a nutshell:

-- became electrically sensitive in mid 2000
-- out of work, very ill for first half of 2001
-- removed mercury fillings, started detox, started using EMF devices in late 2001
-- improved greatly during 2001 - 2003, situation becomes "acceptable" but not cured
-- took a break from all the effort and expense in 2004, and started this group
-- little to no improvement in 2005 - 2006, things still acceptable
-- started going downhill in 2007, probably due to inadequate adrenal support and no detox
-- unfortunate experience with an ionic footbath in late 2007, ES immediately much worse,
back to part-time work
-- back to lots of supplements, improved throughout 2008, getting back to where I was
pre-footbath
-- situation acceptable in 2009, but not cured

These days I'm looking at detox methods again, and am currently investigating liquid zeolite
and alpha lipoic acid. My lab tests indicate that I'm not heavy metal toxic, however
my intolerance to heavy metal detox supplements indicates I still am.

> I think that when we are not being provoked by external factors toxins
> sleep in us and do not cause problems.

Yes, but why would your trip to Europe be so special? I've traveled a lot
with my ES, and I still have symptoms when traveling... except perhaps
when I'm on a remote beach... :-)

> As far as supplements go I read you took
> something called Amrit, an Indian herb mix

Yes, also H-Minus from e3Live is good for temporary relief from my
ES symptoms. If you are reading archives from back in 2004, I may
have called this supplement "Microhydrin" or "Mega-H", which
were earlier incarnations of the same thing.

Marc















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welcome, Sandra!
 
get out of the past and read backwards, dear!  ;)  you will fry your brains otherwise.
 
best wishes,
diane
 


--- On Thu, 6/18/09, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] New and Overwhelmed!
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 10:17 PM









Intro

Hi all, I am new to this group but not new to these horrible EMS
symptoms. Just want to share my EMS story. Recently I realized that I
have been suffering for about 10 years.

Now I know what caused my thyroid cancer that was removed a couple of
years ago. I always contributed my EMS symptoms to the thyroid issue
(they are remarkably similar, tiredness, fibromyalgia, brain fog, poor
digestion, tingling, jointm muscle pain) etc. That is why I never
connected the dots. Plus, my brain is fried most of the time to figure
these things properly. I live in Toronto but I am originally from
Croatia. As soon as I step out of the plane while visiting Europe and I
mean, "INSTANTENIOULSY" I feel completely healthy, as if I had
never had any EMS EVER. Vice Versa, coming back to Canada it hits me
right from the airport. I convinced myself that I am just stressed out
in Canada and therefore feeling betetr on my vacation. It is peculiar
how many people love to point out that it is all in my head , so I
accepted it. I am so angry with myself now.

I am ready to learn about this affliction as much as possible.

I went back to February 2004 messages and diligently read about 300
postings right from the start, not understanding much of it. Almost
cooked myself in front of the screen. WAYYYY to technical for me but I
hope to catch up slowly. Not sure if people like Charles, Drasko, Willi
Borlin, Sarah Benson are still around. I sincerely hope everyone is
alive and doing better in the last five years. What a great laugh
learning about different personalities.

I realized that most of us have many things in common. I had 10 amalgam
fillings removed 11 years ago. It was done so poorly, I remember
swallowing a good chunk of it. Coincidently, over the years I had many
intravenous chelation session and cilantro juices, Greens Plus powder,
thinking I was helping my Thyroid. For years everything I touched gave
me electric shocks. I dread turning on my lights and opening my fridge.
It's funny, my electricity bill is only $20 a month but I
haven't lost any weight. J

My Current Status

So, 4 weeks ago when the lightning rod struck me and I finally clued in
as to what was happening to me, I started ordering stuff. Earthcalm
resonator 14 circuits that plugs in and a leg bracelet 14 circuits,
bingo. I got better right away. DAY ONE, great improvement, (Marc I
understand how you were able to go back to work right after buying
polarizers, I had exactly the same energy surge from this stuff) DAY
TWO my suffering began. Now I know it is detoxing, or I hope it is. It
is unclear to me how I do not go into detox in Europe but feel better
immediately. Hopefully someone has figured that out.

I also had a consulting company come to my place and measure dirty
electricity and install STETZER filters. Not sure if it is doing any
good. When they measured , one light was as much as 1,800 GS and now
it 30 -50 GS, whatever that means. I think my issues come from
outside. RF from my balcony, 19th floor, read .15 microwatts per
square cm from the Cell tower about 1/2 mile away from me. Again, I
am not sure if that is high enough to bother me but maybe some of you
will know. I feel dizzy when I enter my place and particularly when I
sit facing the cell mast. While measuring for dirty electricity was in
progress, I unplugged my Earthcalm resonator thinking. "Now I have these
filters therefore I do not need the resonator".. ..Ohhh, what a mistake
! Within minutes I felt violently ill.

The third thing I ordered was the EMF Blues Clearfield plate. I have it
on my balcony pointing in the direction of the cell mast. No idea if it
is doing anything because I am terrified of unplugging my Earthcalm
resonator J.

from early postings I could not quite understand how to protect my
bedroom to alleviate these RFs but hopefully there is a file somewhere
that states what to do or what to buy. I noticed that others are
currently discussing Digital TV box. Makes me sick too, have not
switched it on in weeks. Sorry for a long story. Going back to read
April 2004 messages. Hopefully I can bring some value to this group one
day.

Marc , thank you for putting many hours into this and of course to
everyone else for participating.

Sandra

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Thanks Evie, I think that are also some ziped files from the past that I will actualy have to print and read .
 

--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] New and Overwhelmed!
To: [hidden email]
Received: Friday, June 19, 2009, 1:40 PM








welcome, Sandra!
 
get out of the past and read backwards, dear!  ;)  you will fry your brains otherwise.
 
best wishes,
diane
 

--- On Thu, 6/18/09, stcro@rogers. com <stcro@rogers. com> wrote:

From: stcro@rogers. com <stcro@rogers. com>
Subject: [eSens] New and Overwhelmed!
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Thursday, June 18, 2009, 10:17 PM

Intro

Hi all, I am new to this group but not new to these horrible EMS
symptoms. Just want to share my EMS story. Recently I realized that I
have been suffering for about 10 years.

Now I know what caused my thyroid cancer that was removed a couple of
years ago. I always contributed my EMS symptoms to the thyroid issue
(they are remarkably similar, tiredness, fibromyalgia, brain fog, poor
digestion, tingling, jointm muscle pain) etc. That is why I never
connected the dots. Plus, my brain is fried most of the time to figure
these things properly. I live in Toronto but I am originally from
Croatia. As soon as I step out of the plane while visiting Europe and I
mean, "INSTANTENIOULSY" I feel completely healthy, as if I had
never had any EMS EVER. Vice Versa, coming back to Canada it hits me
right from the airport. I convinced myself that I am just stressed out
in Canada and therefore feeling betetr on my vacation. It is peculiar
how many people love to point out that it is all in my head , so I
accepted it. I am so angry with myself now.

I am ready to learn about this affliction as much as possible.

I went back to February 2004 messages and diligently read about 300
postings right from the start, not understanding much of it. Almost
cooked myself in front of the screen. WAYYYY to technical for me but I
hope to catch up slowly. Not sure if people like Charles, Drasko, Willi
Borlin, Sarah Benson are still around. I sincerely hope everyone is
alive and doing better in the last five years. What a great laugh
learning about different personalities.

I realized that most of us have many things in common. I had 10 amalgam
fillings removed 11 years ago. It was done so poorly, I remember
swallowing a good chunk of it. Coincidently, over the years I had many
intravenous chelation session and cilantro juices, Greens Plus powder,
thinking I was helping my Thyroid. For years everything I touched gave
me electric shocks. I dread turning on my lights and opening my fridge.
It's funny, my electricity bill is only $20 a month but I
haven't lost any weight. J

My Current Status

So, 4 weeks ago when the lightning rod struck me and I finally clued in
as to what was happening to me, I started ordering stuff. Earthcalm
resonator 14 circuits that plugs in and a leg bracelet 14 circuits,
bingo. I got better right away. DAY ONE, great improvement, (Marc I
understand how you were able to go back to work right after buying
polarizers, I had exactly the same energy surge from this stuff) DAY
TWO my suffering began. Now I know it is detoxing, or I hope it is. It
is unclear to me how I do not go into detox in Europe but feel better
immediately. Hopefully someone has figured that out.

I also had a consulting company come to my place and measure dirty
electricity and install STETZER filters. Not sure if it is doing any
good. When they measured , one light was as much as 1,800 GS and now
it 30 -50 GS, whatever that means. I think my issues come from
outside. RF from my balcony, 19th floor, read .15 microwatts per
square cm from the Cell tower about 1/2 mile away from me. Again, I
am not sure if that is high enough to bother me but maybe some of you
will know. I feel dizzy when I enter my place and particularly when I
sit facing the cell mast. While measuring for dirty electricity was in
progress, I unplugged my Earthcalm resonator thinking. "Now I have these
filters therefore I do not need the resonator".. ..Ohhh, what a mistake
! Within minutes I felt violently ill.

The third thing I ordered was the EMF Blues Clearfield plate. I have it
on my balcony pointing in the direction of the cell mast. No idea if it
is doing anything because I am terrified of unplugging my Earthcalm
resonator J.

from early postings I could not quite understand how to protect my
bedroom to alleviate these RFs but hopefully there is a file somewhere
that states what to do or what to buy. I noticed that others are
currently discussing Digital TV box. Makes me sick too, have not
switched it on in weeks. Sorry for a long story. Going back to read
April 2004 messages. Hopefully I can bring some value to this group one
day.

Marc , thank you for putting many hours into this and of course to
everyone else for participating.

Sandra

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Well,  for me the plate was over 500 in Canadian, including the customsthey hit me with. I was not happy that the company stated the exact value (or their perceived value) of the product on the box. Now I have exactly 4 things on the go and feeling better. I also installed the trial version of the Quantum Byte Software, noticed the difference right away. The concept seems crazy but if it is working I do not care. I figure  the day this version runs out I will know if I am missing it.

Sandra
 


--- On Fri, 6/19/09, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] EMF Blues Clearfield plate
To: [hidden email]
Received: Friday, June 19, 2009, 11:36 AM








> In stead of this EMF Blues Clearfield plate, I can deliver you one
> BioProtect card for $ 300,-. Included shipping and VAT.

Heh, heh... I didn't see that the price was $300. As I said recently,
prices for EMF protection devices have a very large range, you can
probably find some that are as low as $10, or as high as $1000! But you
may find in comparing items that a low priced item works as well or
better as a higher priced one.

That said, I have gotten a lot of benefit from my $500 Quantum Pro, and
it certainly paid for itself quite quickly due to it helping me get
back to work and earning money. I know from personal experience that a
less expensive BioProtect card would NOT have been able to enable me
to tolerate my workplace.

Marc















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> I also installed the trial version of the Quantum Byte Software,
> noticed the difference right away. The concept seems crazy but if it
> is working I do not care. I figure the day this version runs out I
> will know if I am missing it.

Yes, that is a good strategy.

I agree that the Quantum Byte software sounds crazy, but it does
reduce my computer symptoms. Although it is certainly not as
strong as their hardware products, it is the same effect.

Marc

In a message dated 19/06/2009 20:10:00 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

I noticed that others are currently discussing Digital TV box. Makes
> me sick too, have not switched it on in weeks.

On the subject of the Digital TV conversion box, I have certainly had
reactions to a variety of newly purchased electronics over the


Paul uk - In my experience these boxes like most consumer electronic
devices vary in quality of build, the cheap ones that I have used have always
had very noisy power supply units and as a result they emit both radiated and
conducted emisssions. Again an AM radio can demonstrate this..


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Marc,

Fascinating to hear your complete story (below) - thanks again for all the
hard work you've put in to keeping this group going over the years,
especially having had the footbath "excursion".

I guess a big question is why you might have become ES in the first place.
As you know, I believe there is a root cause to all cases, and it seems to
be either (1) an underlying illness particularly in the immune system, or
(2) prolonged high exposure to EMF's over and above what most people
experience. Does your life history (pre 2000) fit into either of these
patterns - i.e. chronic illnesses, allergies, poisoning, high pesticide
exposure, leaky gut or a major illness treated by antibiotics for (1), or
heavy use of mobile phones, nearby masts/power lines or working in the
electrical industry close to high EMF sources for (2)?

All the very best with further treatment. I'm sure you'll be careful with
the alpha lipoic acid - bearing in mind Martin Pall's recent comments that
patients on his detox protocol (which uses ALA extensively) have generally
done very well but those with heavy metal problems have suffered side
effects because the ALA mobilises them. It may be that you have mercury or
other heavy metals which are now bound up in your tissues and therefore not
showing up in lab tests such as stool tests, but capable of being mobilised
by some strong chelators?

Ian

_____

From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 19 June 2009 18:05
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: New and Overwhelmed!





> No I do not think that these protection devices remove toxins at all. It
> is just that they make our environment a little more livable and our
> bodies heal and eliminate a little better. So kind of an indirect benefit.


I think when you first start using a device that actually works for
you, your body will try to dump some of its stored toxins. However,
whether or not those toxins actually all make it out of your body
(or merely recirculate and go elsewhere) depends on how well your
liver and kidneys are functioning.

> I haven't caught u know your current status with devices and overall
> health. p
> with all messages to

Me? I a nutshell:

-- became electrically sensitive in mid 2000
-- out of work, very ill for first half of 2001
-- removed mercury fillings, started detox, started using EMF devices in
late 2001
-- improved greatly during 2001 - 2003, situation becomes "acceptable" but
not cured
-- took a break from all the effort and expense in 2004, and started this
group
-- little to no improvement in 2005 - 2006, things still acceptable
-- started going downhill in 2007, probably due to inadequate adrenal
support and no detox
-- unfortunate experience with an ionic footbath in late 2007, ES
immediately much worse,
back to part-time work
-- back to lots of supplements, improved throughout 2008, getting back to
where I was
pre-footbath
-- situation acceptable in 2009, but not cured

These days I'm looking at detox methods again, and am currently
investigating liquid zeolite
and alpha lipoic acid. My lab tests indicate that I'm not heavy metal toxic,
however
my intolerance to heavy metal detox supplements indicates I still am.

> I think that when we are not being provoked by external factors toxins
> sleep in us and do not cause problems.

Yes, but why would your trip to Europe be so special? I've traveled a lot
with my ES, and I still have symptoms when traveling... except perhaps
when I'm on a remote beach... :-)

> As far as supplements go I read you took
> something called Amrit, an Indian herb mix

Yes, also H-Minus from e3Live is good for temporary relief from my
ES symptoms. If you are reading archives from back in 2004, I may
have called this supplement "Microhydrin" or "Mega-H", which
were earlier incarnations of the same thing.

Marc





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> I guess a big question is why you might have become ES in the first
> place. As you know, I believe there is a root cause to all cases, and
> it seems to be either (1) an underlying illness particularly in the
> immune system, or (2) prolonged high exposure to EMF's

Well, I've had pollen/dust/cat allergies since I was a kid, I've had
a computer related job (as in sitting all day in front of a computer)
since the mid 1980's, I've had a mouthful of mercury amalgam fillings for
many years (with no particular precautions during most of their
removals), and then in the late 1990's I had all sorts of vaccines for
overseas travel followed by many bouts of viral infections which the
doctors repeatedly tried to treat with months and months of antibiotics.
So pick your poison... :-)

> All the very best with further treatment. I'm sure you'll be careful
> with the alpha lipoic acid

Oh yes, I've been reading some of the discussions on the "adult-metal-
chelation", where ALA and DMSA seem to be the preferred metal chelators.
They are extremely cautious there about dosage and timing of doses. And
I do know of someone who used to be on this group who reportedly cured
his ES mostly using ALA.

I personally think my problem is mostly metals, given that I can
hardly stand to take anything that mobilizes/chelates metals.

Marc

Thanks Marc ... yes, it all figures. The big question for me is why people
like you and Sue get ES, and I don't (nor lots of other people), despite
sitting in front of a computer screen all day for 20+ years and never taking
supplements. It seems to be a combination of several causes that gives too
much "total load" on the body. I'd suggest that the prolonged antibiotic
treatment would have been a huge factor; can't remember whether you've ever
had a leaky gut test? Significant that your ES began soon after that....

Yes, lots of people seem to have had success with ALA for treating many of
the chronic diseases like MCS and ES, if the root cause for them was
something other than heavy metals.

Ian

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From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 20 June 2009 21:56
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Marc's history





> I guess a big question is why you might have become ES in the first
> place. As you know, I believe there is a root cause to all cases, and
> it seems to be either (1) an underlying illness particularly in the
> immune system, or (2) prolonged high exposure to EMF's

Well, I've had pollen/dust/cat allergies since I was a kid, I've had
a computer related job (as in sitting all day in front of a computer)
since the mid 1980's, I've had a mouthful of mercury amalgam fillings for
many years (with no particular precautions during most of their
removals), and then in the late 1990's I had all sorts of vaccines for
overseas travel followed by many bouts of viral infections which the
doctors repeatedly tried to treat with months and months of antibiotics.
So pick your poison... :-)

> All the very best with further treatment. I'm sure you'll be careful
> with the alpha lipoic acid

Oh yes, I've been reading some of the discussions on the "adult-metal-
chelation", where ALA and DMSA seem to be the preferred metal chelators.
They are extremely cautious there about dosage and timing of doses. And
I do know of someone who used to be on this group who reportedly cured
his ES mostly using ALA.

I personally think my problem is mostly metals, given that I can
hardly stand to take anything that mobilizes/chelates metals.

Marc





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> I personally think my problem is mostly metals, given that I can
> hardly stand to take anything that mobilizes/chelates metals.
>
>

Marc,
could it be that you have a very strong immune-response to metals?
Have you had the MELISA-test for metal-allergy done? (www.melisa.org)

John

> could it be that you have a very strong immune-response to metals?
> Have you had the MELISA-test for metal-allergy done? (www.melisa.org)

I have not had that particular test, however I did once have a blood
test for compatibility with dental materials ("Clifford Materials
Reactivity Testing"), and mercury did show up as being an allergen. It
did not indicate HOW allergic I was, however.

I don't think my reaction during chelation is really an "allergy"... I
just think I'm easily overwhelmed, due to there simply being too much
bad metals in me, and not enough of the good metals. My detox reactions
don't seem to be abnormal compared with others on the "adult-metal-
chelation" group, and in fact I'm less sensitive to ALA than some of
them (and those people do NOT appear to have ES).

As to how I got this way in the first place, well, the sensitivities
took off after several months of antibiotics, so I have speculated that
the antibiotics were either full of metals, or they did some liver
damage that now makes me a poor excreter of metals (so they just build
inside me without some additional help).

Marc

hi Ian,
 
you wrote:  "The big question for me is why people
like you and Sue get ES, and I don't (nor lots of other people), despite
sitting in front of a computer screen all day for 20+ years and never taking
supplements."
 
it seems there has to be a genetic component going on, don't you think?  this is why i have thought tight junction permeability and ion channel dysfunction might be involved.  about 25% of the population have the gene for this, which roughly corresponds with the number of people with ems, mcs, celiac disease,autism, cfs, and fms combined--and all of these disorders share commonalities.  and, also, some of us start out with one of these and end up with all of them (except autism which is age specific).  but even if tj/channel permeability turns out to not be involved, it ishard for me to believe there is not still some genetic difference.
 
my 2 cents,
d

--- On Sat, 6/20/09, Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Marc's history
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 20, 2009, 11:08 PM








Thanks Marc ... yes, it all figures. The big question for me is why people
like you and Sue get ES, and I don't (nor lots of other people), despite
sitting in front of a computer screen all day for 20+ years and never taking
supplements. It seems to be a combination of several causes that gives too
much "total load" on the body. I'd suggest that the prolonged antibiotic
treatment would have been a huge factor; can't remember whether you've ever
had a leaky gut test? Significant that your ES began soon after that....

Yes, lots of people seem to have had success with ALA for treating many of
the chronic diseases like MCS and ES, if the root cause for them was
something other than heavy metals.

Ian

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From: eSens@yahoogroups. com [mailto:eSens@yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Marc
Martin
Sent: 20 June 2009 21:56
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Subject: RE: [eSens] Marc's history

> I guess a big question is why you might have become ES in the first
> place. As you know, I believe there is a root cause to all cases, and
> it seems to be either (1) an underlying illness particularly in the
> immune system, or (2) prolonged high exposure to EMF's

Well, I've had pollen/dust/ cat allergies since I was a kid, I've had
a computer related job (as in sitting all day in front of a computer)
since the mid 1980's, I've had a mouthful of mercury amalgam fillings for
many years (with no particular precautions during most of their
removals), and then in the late 1990's I had all sorts of vaccines for
overseas travel followed by many bouts of viral infections which the
doctors repeatedly tried to treat with months and months of antibiotics.
So pick your poison... :-)

> All the very best with further treatment. I'm sure you'll be careful
> with the alpha lipoic acid

Oh yes, I've been reading some of the discussions on the "adult-metal-
chelation", where ALA and DMSA seem to be the preferred metal chelators.
They are extremely cautious there about dosage and timing of doses. And
I do know of someone who used to be on this group who reportedly cured
his ES mostly using ALA.

I personally think my problem is mostly metals, given that I can
hardly stand to take anything that mobilizes/chelates metals.

Marc

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