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steve

Meter Readings

I checked all my outlets this morning with the stetzerizer and all my outlets read from 35-60, including my APC Surge Suppressor outlets, BackUPS AVR,and BrickWall. I waited until the fridge compressor came on and no change.I turned on my computer and monitor-no change. I turned on my TV and CableModem-no change.
I am going to test it again tonight when I get home and my neighbors are using all their stuff. I think this is why my readings go up to 200 or so, not because of what I am running inside my apt.

So, not sure where to go from here. I have the options of the graham-stetzer filters, which Marc says won't help.
The Quantum Power Strips vs. the Furman Power Strips vs. The Stetzer Power Strips vs. the Tripplite Isobar Strips.
Then there is the Quantum Home doohicky for $395.

What the heck am I supposed to try? Aaarrgh
Anyone with a definitive idea? I am as confused as I was before, if not more so.

Marc Martin

Re: Meter Readings

Administrator

> So, not sure where to go from here. I have the options of the
> graham-stetzer filters, which Marc says won't help.
> The Quantum Power Strips vs. the Furman Power Strips vs. The Stetzer
> Power Strips vs. the Tripplite Isobar Strips.
> Then there is the Quantum Home doohicky for $395.

I think someone else said that the Stetzer filters would be bad
(not me). Your Stetzer meter readings are actually very good when
your neighbors are away. In my house, the meter usually reads
around 40 (and I don't have any Stetzer filters either).

As for what to do next, that's up to you... I've actually tried
(over the years) ALL of the things you listed. The Quantum
stuff made the most difference in terms of my symptoms, but
don't expect it to change the readings on your Stetzer meter.

Marc

BiBrun

Re: Meter Readings

In reply to this post by steve

Those are decent readings, but it's not such a good meter.
It doesn't go high enough in frequency. Try getting that
Entech 'broadband' meter for $6 if there are still some on ebay.
Or, better, just hold an AM radio near a light switch
when you turn on the computer (tune the radio to static at
the low end of the dial). If you don't hear anything I want
to know what kind of computer you have...

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:52 AM, torch369 <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> I checked all my outlets this morning with the stetzerizer and all my
> outlets read from 35-60, including my APC Surge Suppressor outlets, BackUPS
> AVR, and BrickWall. I waited until the fridge compressor came on and no
> change. I turned on my computer and monitor-no change. I turned on my TV and
> Cable Modem-no change.
> I am going to test it again tonight when I get home and my neighbors are
> using all their stuff. I think this is why my readings go up to 200 or so,
> not because of what I am running inside my apt.
>
> So, not sure where to go from here. I have the options of the
> graham-stetzer filters, which Marc says won't help.
> The Quantum Power Strips vs. the Furman Power Strips vs. The Stetzer Power
> Strips vs. the Tripplite Isobar Strips.
> Then there is the Quantum Home doohicky for $395.
>
> What the heck am I supposed to try? Aaarrgh
> Anyone with a definitive idea? I am as confused as I was before, if not
> more so.
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

evie15422

Re: Meter Readings

In reply to this post by steve

Hi, Steve,

I know meter readings mean something. But I don't rely on meter readings. I know relief when I experience it, meter reading or no meter reading. Very unscientific, I know, but I find untechie often comes to the same conclusion in less time than techie does. If you do what I mentioned in another email, it will give you many clues to follow. Forinstance, while sleeping with circuits off, you might be able tonotice that you react when someone else uses the bathroom. (If you are single, arrange a sleep over.) This happened to me. Well, duh, I was sleeping over the water pipes. I then knew Ineeded to address the water pipes (a piece of plastic pipe to break frequencies coming in on the water). Also, I realized a better place to place my bed would be in another bedroom where there were no metal pipes under me. Yes, a meter (or maybe even common sense ;) ) could have told me this, but the meter was high all over my house and I
had exactly the same problem as you--where to start??? I stepped back from the meter readings and instead started following my instincts.

In our case, the water pipes were only the tip of the iceberg in that house. There were ground loops all over the place, so we have chosen to rewire the house. This might sound like a sledge hammer approach, but understand that our wiring was 60 years old, so it probably was high time it got changed. This won't be an option for you, but there isalot you can do which doesn't involve wiring. The $30 Quantum conditioner helped with my fridge (which was one appliance which bothered me). But you don't want to start out buying things willy-nilly. Figureout what your problems actually are first. You might come across enough info in one night of unplugging/turning off circuits to point you in the correct direction you need to go.

If you don't see a change in emfs from unplugging and turning off the circuits, then a Quantum Home might work for you, or emf shielding fabric on particular walls or under rugs. (The Q Pro is what I have been using to get by while the rewiring is taking place--btw, I have to constantly changethe settings now that we are rewiring.) In our case in that house, we have wiring issues, (had the water pipe issue), had dirty electric on the lines coming in, and have electrosmog issues (cell towers, others' electronic/wireless toys) from outside the house. I am using various remediations--aluminum screens on windows, plants in front of windows, emf blocking fabric on windows. All of these address electrosmog from outside the house. I also address electrosmog inside the house and dirty electricity there (pulling plugs, use of Quantum conditioners--these also can address some outside electrosmog, btw,--suspending use of particular appliances and
electronics, and tossing anything wireless or which uses a transformer). The subject is dizzying, but once you get a grip on what your actualproblems are, you can deal. Stand in front of windows--are you feeling worse? This is a clue. Are you better on inside walls or outside walls? What is present inside and outside of these walls where you feel better or worse? What happens when you turn off circuits there? Once you determine the answers to these questions you will know what course to take.

I also agree with Charles that more important than all of this remediation, is working on your health problem(s) which have led to this problem. Charles thinks this is immune related; I think EMS is tight junction/ion channel related (we might both be right). Anyway, my first remediations were working to get myself healthier. Detoxing went a long way toward helping me. (I am not cured but I am very much better and donot react while driving unless I am in very high concentrations of emfs). I disagree with Charles, tho, in that I feel emf stress is not good whether you are reacting or not. So even tho I do not react badly now, I still see lowering my emf load as a good idea and work to eliminate as much as possible from my environment.

My 2 cents; good luck,
Diane

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, torch369 <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: torch369 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Meter Readings
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 1:52 PM

I checked all my outlets this morning with the stetzerizer and all my outlets read from 35-60, including my APC Surge Suppressor outlets, BackUPS AVR,and BrickWall. I waited until the fridge compressor came on and no change.I turned on my computer and monitor-no change. I turned on my TV and CableModem-no change.
I am going to test it again tonight when I get home and my neighbors are using all their stuff. I think this is why my readings go up to 200 or so, not because of what I am running inside my apt.

So, not sure where to go from here. I have the options of the graham-stetzer filters, which Marc says won't help.
The Quantum Power Strips vs. the Furman Power Strips vs. The Stetzer Power Strips vs. the Tripplite Isobar Strips.
Then there is the Quantum Home doohicky for $395.

What the heck am I supposed to try? Aaarrgh
Anyone with a definitive idea? I am as confused as I was before, if not more so.

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

steve

Re: Meter Readings

In reply to this post by BiBrun

i actually just bought that Entech Meter on ebay. Not sure how to use it though, it has a dial on it. Any advice?
I can always return the Stetzerizer, it has a 60 day return policy (and cost me $100).

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Meter Readings
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 12:16 PM
> Those are decent readings, but it's
> not such a good meter.
> It doesn't go high enough in frequency. Try getting
> that
> Entech 'broadband' meter for $6 if there are still some on
> ebay.
> Or, better, just hold an AM radio near a light switch
> when you turn on the computer (tune the radio to static at
> the low end of the dial). If you don't hear anything
> I want
> to know what kind of computer you have...
>
> On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:52 AM, torch369 <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I checked all my outlets this morning with the
> stetzerizer and all my
> > outlets read from 35-60, including my APC Surge
> Suppressor outlets, BackUPS
> > AVR, and BrickWall. I waited until the fridge
> compressor came on and no
> > change. I turned on my computer and monitor-no change.
> I turned on my TV and
> > Cable Modem-no change.
> > I am going to test it again tonight when I get home
> and my neighbors are
> > using all their stuff. I think this is why my readings
> go up to 200 or so,
> > not because of what I am running inside my apt.
> >
> > So, not sure where to go from here. I have the options
> of the
> > graham-stetzer filters, which Marc says won't help.
> > The Quantum Power Strips vs. the Furman Power Strips
> vs. The Stetzer Power
> > Strips vs. the Tripplite Isobar Strips.
> > Then there is the Quantum Home doohicky for $395.
> >
> > What the heck am I supposed to try? Aaarrgh
> > Anyone with a definitive idea? I am as confused as I
> was before, if not
> > more so.
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>

steve

Re: Meter Readings

In reply to this post by evie15422

Wow, good Post!
Turning off the circuits is really not an option because the fuse box is a pain to get to and deal with.
So, you mention a $30 Quantum Conditioner-is this the one that plugs directly into the outlet, not a strip?
Would I need this in addition to the Quantum Home and would I need to use the Quantum Strips with my computer equipment and TV or wait to see if the others worked by themselves?
Did you ever look into the Graham-Stetzer Filters? Any opinions on those?
My bed pretty much has no where else to go-very small apt. and the other wall is right above where the electric box and fuse box is.
So, I am above the water pipes and some wiring in the garage but I have no choice. The funny thing is that before January I had no problems sleeping and then started hearing things in my walls-hums, low frequency things, and noises from the outside in the wall. Quite annoying. I was looking into something which I could use as headboard that may help with the noises but no luck so far.
What do you recommend to put over the window?
Thanks,
Steve

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Evie <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Meter Readings
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 12:21 PM
> Hi, Steve,
>
> I know meter readings mean something. But I don't rely on
> meter readings. I know relief when I experience it, meter
> reading or no meter reading. Very unscientific, I know,
> but I find untechie often comes to the same conclusion in
> less time than techie does. If you do what I mentioned in
> another email, it will give you many clues to follow. For
> instance, while sleeping with circuits off, you might
> be able to notice that you react when someone else
> uses the bathroom. (If you are single, arrange a sleep
> over.) This happened to me. Well, duh, I was sleeping
> over the water pipes. I then knew I needed to address the
> water pipes (a piece of plastic pipe to break frequencies
> coming in on the water). Also, I realized a better place
> to place my bed would be in another bedroom where there were
> no metal pipes under me. Yes, a meter (or maybe even
> common sense ;) ) could have told me this, but the meter
> was high all over my house and I
> had exactly the same problem as you--where to start??? I
> stepped back from the meter readings and instead started
> following my instincts.
>
> In our case, the water pipes were only the tip of the
> iceberg in that house. There were ground loops all over
> the place, so we have chosen to rewire the house. This
> might sound like a sledge hammer approach, but understand
> that our wiring was 60 years old, so it probably was high
> time it got changed. This won't be an option for you, but
> there is alot you can do which doesn't involve wiring. The
> $30 Quantum conditioner helped with my fridge (which was one
> appliance which bothered me). But you don't want to start
> out buying things willy-nilly. Figure out what your
> problems actually are first. You might come across enough
> info in one night of unplugging/turning off circuits to
> point you in the correct direction you need to go.
>
> If you don't see a change in emfs from unplugging and
> turning off the circuits, then a Quantum Home might work for
> you, or emf shielding fabric on particular walls or under
> rugs. (The Q Pro is what I have been using to get by while
> the rewiring is taking place--btw, I have to constantly
> change the settings now that we are rewiring.) In our
> case in that house, we have wiring issues, (had the water
> pipe issue), had dirty electric on the lines coming in, and
> have electrosmog issues (cell towers, others'
> electronic/wireless toys) from outside the house. I am
> using various remediations--aluminum screens on windows,
> plants in front of windows, emf blocking fabric on
> windows. All of these address electrosmog from outside the
> house. I also address electrosmog inside the house and
> dirty electricity there (pulling plugs, use of Quantum
> conditioners--these also can address some outside
> electrosmog, btw,--suspending use of particular appliances
> and
> electronics, and tossing anything wireless or which uses a
> transformer). The subject is dizzying, but once you get a
> grip on what your actual problems are, you can deal. Stand
> in front of windows--are you feeling worse? This is a
> clue. Are you better on inside walls or outside walls?
> What is present inside and outside of these walls where you
> feel better or worse? What happens when you turn off
> circuits there? Once you determine the answers to these
> questions you will know what course to take.
>
> I also agree with Charles that more important than all of
> this remediation, is working on your health problem(s)
> which have led to this problem. Charles thinks this is
> immune related; I think EMS is tight junction/ion channel
> related (we might both be right). Anyway, my first
> remediations were working to get myself healthier.
> Detoxing went a long way toward helping me. (I am not
> cured but I am very much better and do not react while
> driving unless I am in very high concentrations of emfs).
> I disagree with Charles, tho, in that I feel emf stress is
> not good whether you are reacting or not. So even tho I
> do not react badly now, I still see lowering my emf load as
> a good idea and work to eliminate as much as possible from
> my environment.
>
> My 2 cents; good luck,
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 3/22/10, torch369 <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
>
> From: torch369 <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [eSens] Meter Readings
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 1:52 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> I checked all my outlets this morning with the stetzerizer
> and all my outlets read from 35-60, including my APC Surge
> Suppressor outlets, BackUPS AVR, and BrickWall. I waited
> until the fridge compressor came on and no change. I turned
> on my computer and monitor-no change. I turned on my TV and
> Cable Modem-no change.
> I am going to test it again tonight when I get home and my
> neighbors are using all their stuff. I think this is why my
> readings go up to 200 or so, not because of what I am
> running inside my apt.
>
> So, not sure where to go from here. I have the options of
> the graham-stetzer filters, which Marc says won't help.
> The Quantum Power Strips vs. the Furman Power Strips vs.
> The Stetzer Power Strips vs. the Tripplite Isobar Strips.
> Then there is the Quantum Home doohicky for $395.
>
> What the heck am I supposed to try? Aaarrgh
> Anyone with a definitive idea? I am as confused as I was
> before, if not more so.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>

Marc Martin

Re: Meter Readings

Administrator

> So, you mention a $30 Quantum Conditioner-is this the one that plugs
> directly into the outlet, not a strip?

The $30 Quantum Conditioners are just Power Sentry 3-outlet surge
protectors that have been "treated" using whatever process Quantum
Products uses to treat the circuit boards. So it probably looks
something like this:

http://www.newpoint.com/products/100157.php

(although mine don't look like that, as mine look like what Power
Sentry used to sell years ago)

Since the effect of the Quantum Power Conditioners is additive,
I'm sure that there is some number of these that would
effectively be as strong as a Quantum Home... although the
ultra-sensitive would probably still notice some kind of
difference between the two options, because the company
uses different methods to implement "coherence" in the
Quantum Home vs. the Quantum Power Conditioner.

Marc

BiBrun

Re: Meter Readings

In reply to this post by steve

Mostly we use it with the dial to the max.
If that's off-scale you turn it down if you need
to compare things that are stronger.

Both meters have digital displays which
generate RF noise, but the Entech seems to have
that under control, while the Stetzer sometimes is
reading its own noise (unless you add a stetzer filter
to drop the voltage down).

I don't know of sources that the Stetzer can measure
and the Entech can't... maybe coupling from an audio
system or an old invisible dog fence would be down
at those frequencies. I think the Entech is also better
because of the speaker. But I'm sure the ebay price
is a fluke... I think Monster used to sell these, probably
for well over $100 (in a nice case). Maybe they stopped
selling them because it reveals that cheaper filters
are just as good as their $200 powerstrips?

On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 1:49 PM, Steve G <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> i actually just bought that Entech Meter on ebay. Not sure how to use it
> though, it has a dial on it. Any advice?
> I can always return the Stetzerizer, it has a 60 day return policy (and
> cost me $100).
>
> --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Meter Readings
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 12:16 PM
>
> > Those are decent readings, but it's
> > not such a good meter.
> > It doesn't go high enough in frequency. Try getting
> > that
> > Entech 'broadband' meter for $6 if there are still some on
> > ebay.
> > Or, better, just hold an AM radio near a light switch
> > when you turn on the computer (tune the radio to static at
> > the low end of the dial). If you don't hear anything
> > I want
> > to know what kind of computer you have...
> >
> > On Mon, Mar 22, 2010 at 11:52 AM, torch369 <[hidden email]<torch369%40yahoo.com>
> >
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > I checked all my outlets this morning with the
> > stetzerizer and all my
> > > outlets read from 35-60, including my APC Surge
> > Suppressor outlets, BackUPS
> > > AVR, and BrickWall. I waited until the fridge
> > compressor came on and no
> > > change. I turned on my computer and monitor-no change.
> > I turned on my TV and
> > > Cable Modem-no change.
> > > I am going to test it again tonight when I get home
> > and my neighbors are
> > > using all their stuff. I think this is why my readings
> > go up to 200 or so,
> > > not because of what I am running inside my apt.
> > >
> > > So, not sure where to go from here. I have the options
> > of the
> > > graham-stetzer filters, which Marc says won't help.
> > > The Quantum Power Strips vs. the Furman Power Strips
> > vs. The Stetzer Power
> > > Strips vs. the Tripplite Isobar Strips.
> > > Then there is the Quantum Home doohicky for $395.
> > >
> > > What the heck am I supposed to try? Aaarrgh
> > > Anyone with a definitive idea? I am as confused as I
> > was before, if not
> > > more so.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> > [hidden email]<eSens-fullfeatured%40yahoogroups.com>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

steve

Re: Meter Readings

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

Thanks Marc.
Their website is so bad, you'd think they would at least have a pic of eachproduct. No email contact either which is odd.
What I need to decide is whether it pays to replace my BackUPS (battery back-up which may create issues itself?) with a Quantum Strip or one of the others-Furman, Stetzer. I want to make sure my little Mac Mini is protected!
I also have to decide whether my $300 Brickwall unit should be replaced with one of those others.

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Meter Readings
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 1:24 PM
> > So, you mention a $30 Quantum
> Conditioner-is this the one that plugs
> > directly into the outlet, not a strip?
>
> The $30 Quantum Conditioners are just Power Sentry 3-outlet
> surge
> protectors that have been "treated" using whatever process
> Quantum
> Products uses to treat the circuit boards. So it
> probably looks
> something like this:
>
> http://www.newpoint.com/products/100157.php
>
> (although mine don't look like that, as mine look like what
> Power
> Sentry used to sell years ago)
>
> Since the effect of the Quantum Power Conditioners is
> additive,
> I'm sure that there is some number of these that would
> effectively be as strong as a Quantum Home... although the
> ultra-sensitive would probably still notice some kind of
> difference between the two options, because the company
> uses different methods to implement "coherence" in the
> Quantum Home vs. the Quantum Power Conditioner.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>

Marc Martin

Re: Meter Readings

Administrator

> Their website is so bad, you'd think they would at least have a pic of
> each product. No email contact either which is odd.

The Quantum Products website does have contact info on the front page:

[hidden email]
1 888 919 9993

The power strips do change in appearance based on whatever Power
Sentry is making these days.

> What I need to decide is whether it pays to replace my BackUPS (battery
> back-up which may create issues itself?) with a Quantum Strip or one of
> the others-Furman, Stetzer. I want to make sure my little Mac Mini is
> protected!

I wouldn't trust the Quantum Power conditioners for surge protection
(but I wouldn't trust Power Sentry either). These are cheapo surge
protectors -- the Brick Wall or the Furman are much more robust.

And the Quantum power strips don't really need to have anything plugged
into them -- they can just be plugged into the wall, all by themselves,
as they affect the electricity in the whole room/house, not just whatever
is plugged into them. Of course, the effect is stronger if you are
running a lot of wattage/current through them.

Marc

steve

Re: Meter Readings

Sorry, didn't see that email link.
So, perhaps I could get the Furman to replace my Battery BackUP (what's your opinion on BackUPS?) and keep the BrickWall for my TV, VCR, etc.
Then I can use the Quantum Powerstrip for my air cleaner in the living room(I have an APS Surge Protector for that now).
I could also get a Quantum Powerstrip for my bedroom where I have another air cleaner plugged into a Curtis Surge Strip.
For my fridge I could either use the Quantum Power Sentry plug in or a Tripplite Isobar (which is a pretty robust 2 outlet strip with isolated outlets). The Tripplite is a better surge suppressor I'm sure but would it help prevent dirty electricity from the fridge from going through my wiring, that's the question)Perhaps the Quantum would be better for this.
What's your opinion of the Stetzer Powerstrips, or would I just be better off with the Quantum's if I'm not going to put the Stetzer Filters all over the place?

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Meter Readings
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 2:58 PM
> > Their website is so bad, you'd
> think they would at least have a pic of
> > each product. No email contact either which is odd.
>
> The Quantum Products website does have contact info on the
> front page:
>
> [hidden email]
> 1 888 919 9993
>
> The power strips do change in appearance based on whatever
> Power
> Sentry is making these days.
>
> > What I need to decide is whether it pays to replace my
> BackUPS (battery
> > back-up which may create issues itself?) with a
> Quantum Strip or one of
> > the others-Furman, Stetzer. I want to make sure my
> little Mac Mini is
> > protected!
>
> I wouldn't trust the Quantum Power conditioners for surge
> protection
> (but I wouldn't trust Power Sentry either). These are
> cheapo surge
> protectors -- the Brick Wall or the Furman are much more
> robust.
>
> And the Quantum power strips don't really need to have
> anything plugged
> into them -- they can just be plugged into the wall, all by
> themselves,
> as they affect the electricity in the whole room/house, not
> just whatever
> is plugged into them. Of course, the effect is
> stronger if you are
> running a lot of wattage/current through them.
>
> Marc
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>

Marc Martin

Re: Meter Readings

Administrator

> (what's your opinion on BackUPS?)

I have no experience with these.

> What's your opinion of the Stetzer Powerstrips,

Haven't tried these either... aren't these just like Stetzer
filters built into powerstrips? The Stetzer filters gave me
a splitting headache, so I wouldn't use them in my own house.

(and of course, your reaction to all these things is unknown --
you may either notice nothing from the things you do, or
find them to be an improvement, or find that you have an adverse
reaction to them)

Marc

steve

Re: Meter Readings

Yes, these strips have 2 stetzer filters built into them.
I am leaning towards this plan of action:

1. SDGE said they will come and inspect my electricity for free. They are actually a pretty friendly utility company.
2. In my bedroom I will replace my cheap Curtis Surge Strip with the Quantum Power Strip and plug my air cleaner into it, and when I use my vacuum cleaner.
3. In my Kitchen I will buy a Quantum Wall Plug and plug my fridge and toaster oven into it.

Also in my Kitchen I will place my APC surge Suppressor Strip in the other Outlet and plug in my microwave/dustbuster/sonicare into it instead of the cheap strip I have now.
4. In my Living Room I will replace my BackUPS my Computer/monitor/modem/printer is plugged into with the Furman 8 Strip (not the 'D' Model because nothing Digital will be plugged into it).

Keep my TV/VCR/Cable Modem/DVD plugged into the Brickwall.

Perhaps buy another Quantum plug for my cordless phone (I may switch to a corded) or just use one of my other cheap surge suppressor strips.

I have 1 outlet with only a desklamp plugged into it. Perhaps get another Quantum plug for that.

5. I have an outlet I won't be plugging anything into which is right next to my bed. Do I need to do anything with this outlet?

How does this plan sound? Any opinions?

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Meter Readings
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 4:06 PM
> > (what's your opinion on
> BackUPS?)
>
> I have no experience with these.
>
> > What's your opinion of the Stetzer Powerstrips,
>
> Haven't tried these either... aren't these just like
> Stetzer
> filters built into powerstrips? The Stetzer filters
> gave me
> a splitting headache, so I wouldn't use them in my own
> house.
>
> (and of course, your reaction to all these things is
> unknown --
> you may either notice nothing from the things you do, or
> find them to be an improvement, or find that you have an
> adverse
> reaction to them)
>
> Marc
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>

Marc Martin

Re: Meter Readings

Administrator

> How does this plan sound? Any opinions?

Sounds like you're more than covered in the power-strip area... :-)

Do you have an outlet tester? Might be worthwhile to check and
see if any of your outlets are mis-wired. When I moved into my
current house, several of the outlets were mis-wired. You can find a
tester at a local hardware store, or LessEMF sells them.

Also, if you're as sensitive as I used to be, you'll get a detox
reaction when you start living with more than 2 Quantum power
conditioners in your apartment. If that happens, just back
off and allow yourself to get used them over time (weeks/months).

Marc

steve

Re: Meter Readings

I just bought an Entech Meter that plugs into the outlets, if I just knew how to use it! The Stezterizer also tests the outlets.
Good to know about overdoing the Quantums. Maybe I'll start off slowly, by buying one strip for my bedroom and one outlet for my fridge.
I guess with all these strips/outlets, i won't need the Quantum Home?

Have you tried the Quantum personal that fits in your pocket or the Auto Clear?

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Meter Readings
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 5:27 PM
> > How does this plan sound? Any
> opinions?
>
> Sounds like you're more than covered in the power-strip
> area... :-)
>
> Do you have an outlet tester? Might be worthwhile to
> check and
> see if any of your outlets are mis-wired. When I
> moved into my
> current house, several of the outlets were mis-wired.
> You can find a
> tester at a local hardware store, or LessEMF sells them.
>
> Also, if you're as sensitive as I used to be, you'll get a
> detox
> reaction when you start living with more than 2 Quantum
> power
> conditioners in your apartment. If that happens, just
> back
> off and allow yourself to get used them over time
> (weeks/months).
>
> Marc
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>

Marc Martin

Re: Meter Readings

Administrator

> I just bought an Entech Meter that plugs into the outlets, if I just knew
> how to use it! The Stezterizer also tests the outlets.

Those test the outlets for *noise*. What I meant was to check to see
if the neutral and hot wires are wired to the correct prong on the
outlet. Sometimes they are reversed (although I'm not clear what
the ES implications are if they are)

> Good to know about overdoing the Quantums. Maybe I'll start off slowly,
> by buying one strip for my bedroom and one outlet for my fridge.
> I guess with all these strips/outlets, i won't need the Quantum Home?

It's possible. You could probably just invest that money into
other means of improving your health (heavy metal chelation, etc.),
which will diminish your sensitivities so that you don't have to
be so concerned about noise on the powerlines.

> Have you tried the Quantum personal that fits in your pocket or the Auto
> Clear?

Yes, I use both of these things. The Quantum Companion is
helpful when outside of the home (grocery stores, work, airports, etc.),
and the Auto is of course good for the car (and with the proper adapter,
the Auto could be used inside the home as well)

Marc

steve

Re: Meter Readings

If there was a problem with the wiring wouldn't the surge strip sense it? Iknow mine have a wiring fault warning light.
I will try the personal and car items after I try the strips and outlets.

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Meter Readings
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 6:16 PM
> > I just bought an Entech Meter
> that plugs into the outlets, if I just knew
> > how to use it! The Stezterizer also tests the
> outlets.
>
> Those test the outlets for *noise*. What I meant was
> to check to see
> if the neutral and hot wires are wired to the correct prong
> on the
> outlet. Sometimes they are reversed (although I'm not
> clear what
> the ES implications are if they are)
>
> > Good to know about overdoing the Quantums. Maybe I'll
> start off slowly,
> > by buying one strip for my bedroom and one outlet for
> my fridge.
> > I guess with all these strips/outlets, i won't need
> the Quantum Home?
>
> It's possible. You could probably just invest that
> money into
> other means of improving your health (heavy metal
> chelation, etc.),
> which will diminish your sensitivities so that you don't
> have to
> be so concerned about noise on the powerlines.
>
> > Have you tried the Quantum personal that fits in your
> pocket or the Auto
> > Clear?
>
> Yes, I use both of these things. The Quantum
> Companion is
> helpful when outside of the home (grocery stores, work,
> airports, etc.),
> and the Auto is of course good for the car (and with the
> proper adapter,
> the Auto could be used inside the home as well)
>
> Marc
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>

Re: Meter Readings

Is there a website about these Quantums? I've been reading your emails and been wondering then if they would help me. I know we have some bad wiring in this house but without me living out of it for a while we can't get into reconstruction. My husband did ground properly a few of the circuits. Would then this Quantum stuff help? Can you enlighten me?
Thanks,
Kris

________________________________
From: Steve G <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 8:41:20 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Meter Readings

If there was a problem with the wiring wouldn't the surge strip sense it? I know mine have a wiring fault warning light.
I will try the personal and car items after I try the strips and outlets.

--- On Mon, 3/22/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Yahoo! Groups Links

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

steve

Re: Meter Readings

www.quantumproducts.com
I can't tell you if they work as I haven't tried them yet. I emailed the website with questions but haven't heard back yet.
Marc knows all about them

--- On Tue, 3/23/10, K <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: K <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Meter Readings
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, March 23, 2010, 2:39 PM
> Is there a website about these
> Quantums? I've been reading your emails and been
> wondering then if they would help me. I know we have
> some bad wiring in this house but without me living out of
> it for a while we can't get into reconstruction. My
> husband did ground properly a few of the circuits. Would
> then this Quantum stuff help? Can you enlighten me?
> Thanks,
> Kris
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: Steve G <[hidden email]>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Mon, March 22, 2010 8:41:20 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Meter Readings
>
> If there was a problem with the wiring wouldn't the surge
> strip sense it? I know mine have a wiring fault warning
> light.
> I will try the personal and car items after I try the
> strips and outlets.
>
> --- On Mon, 3/22/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> > From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Meter Readings
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Date: Monday, March 22, 2010, 6:16 PM
> > > I just bought an Entech Meter
> > that plugs into the outlets, if I just knew
> > > how to use it! The Stezterizer also tests the
> > outlets.
> >
> > Those test the outlets for *noise*. What I meant
> was
> > to check to see
> > if the neutral and hot wires are wired to the correct
> prong
> > on the
> > outlet. Sometimes they are reversed (although
> I'm not
> > clear what
> > the ES implications are if they are)
> >
> > > Good to know about overdoing the Quantums. Maybe
> I'll
> > start off slowly,
> > > by buying one strip for my bedroom and one outlet
> for
> > my fridge.
> > > I guess with all these strips/outlets, i won't
> need
> > the Quantum Home?
> >
> > It's possible. You could probably just invest
> that
> > money into
> > other means of improving your health (heavy metal
> > chelation, etc.),
> > which will diminish your sensitivities so that you
> don't
> > have to
> > be so concerned about noise on the powerlines.
> >
> > > Have you tried the Quantum personal that fits in
> your
> > pocket or the Auto
> > > Clear?
> >
> > Yes, I use both of these things. The Quantum
> > Companion is
> > helpful when outside of the home (grocery stores,
> work,
> > airports, etc.),
> > and the Auto is of course good for the car (and with
> the
> > proper adapter,
> > the Auto could be used inside the home as well)
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> > [hidden email]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>

Marc Martin

Re: Meter Readings

Administrator

In reply to this post by K

> Is there a website about these Quantums? I've been reading your emails
> and been wondering then if they would help me. I know we have some bad
> wiring in this house but without me living out of it for a while we can't
> get into reconstruction. My husband did ground properly a few of the
> circuits. Would then this Quantum stuff help? Can you enlighten me?

There *is* a website that you can read and order stuff:

http://quantumproducts.com/

Loni tried a Quantum Home and noticed nothing. A few others I know have
tried them and noticed an improvement. I've tried at least 50 EMF
protection devices, and this is the one product line that has helped
me the most with florescent lights, computers, and EMF coming
into the house from the outside.

They have a money-back guarantee. Loni has confirmed that it works. :-)

Marc

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