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alstrup

LCD screen emissions

Hi,

I am wondering what kind of radiation is coming from LCD screens and if there are any differences between the different types of LCD panels. I use a HP LP2475w for work which has a S-IPS type panel, for many hours every day since last autumn and lately I am experiencing skin irritation on my forehead like I am getting a sunburn. I am skintype 1 and cannot make melanin, only a little freckels on the forearms, so was always sensitive to the sun andhad to take care with sunblocks and protective clothing during the summer.I have adrenal fatigue and make too little cortisol, so I am extremely sensitive to UV radiation since late 2006, but this summer my sensitivity to the sun was 50% worse, to the point of not being able to go out, although myAF got 50% better since the summer of 2008,(due to a specialized AF protocol) now I am beginning to speculate if certain emissions from this screen may have something to do with it, that is has sensitized me to UV or other spectrum from the sun. Before I used a CRT screen what was harmonized with tachyon disks. Thanks for any input.

- Ole

glenmayepete

Re: LCD screen emissions

Is it a brand new monitor? - If so that thing will be pumping out gas from the flame retardents. It's most likely the gas that is effecting you! Google it!!

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From: alstrup <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wed, 6 January, 2010 23:44:08
Subject: [eSens] LCD screen emissions

Hi,

I am wondering what kind of radiation is coming from LCD screens and if there are any differences between the different types of LCD panels. I use a HP LP2475w for work which has a S-IPS type panel, for many hours every day since last autumn and lately I am experiencing skin irritation on my forehead like I am getting a sunburn. I am skintype 1 and cannot make melanin, only a little freckels on the forearms, so was always sensitive to the sun andhad to take care with sunblocks and protective clothing during the summer.I have adrenal fatigue and make too little cortisol, so I am extremely sensitive to UV radiation since late 2006, but this summer my sensitivity to the sun was 50% worse, to the point of not being able to go out, although myAF got 50% better since the summer of 2008,(due to a specialized AF protocol) now I am beginning to speculate if certain emissions from this screen may have something to do with it, that is has sensitized me to UV or
other spectrum from the sun. Before I used a CRT screen what was harmonized with tachyon disks. Thanks for any input.

- Ole

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glenmayepete

Re: LCD screen emissions

In reply to this post by alstrup

You should also take into consideration the 'flame retardant gas' being pumped out from this monitor. Google it. http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/2004/06/63717

--- In [hidden email], "alstrup" <alstrup@...> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am wondering what kind of radiation is coming from LCD screens and if there are any differences between the different types of LCD panels. I use aHP LP2475w for work which has a S-IPS type panel, for many hours every daysince last autumn and lately I am experiencing skin irritation on my forehead like I am getting a sunburn. I am skintype 1 and cannot make melanin, only a little freckels on the forearms, so was always sensitive to the sun and had to take care with sunblocks and protective clothing during the summer. I have adrenal fatigue and make too little cortisol, so I am extremely sensitive to UV radiation since late 2006, but this summer my sensitivity tothe sun was 50% worse, to the point of not being able to go out, although my AF got 50% better since the summer of 2008,(due to a specialized AF protocol) now I am beginning to speculate if certain emissions from this screenmay have something to do with it, that is has sensitized me to UV or otherspectrum from the sun. Before I used a CRT screen what was harmonized withtachyon disks. Thanks for any input.
>
> - Ole
>

alstrup

Re: LCD screen emissions

In reply to this post by glenmayepete

OK interesting, I wrote I got it last autumn, that is 2008, New Year. So Iguess its not that. And I forgot to mention that I am using tachyon disks on all electricity in the house.

________________________________
From: Peter Bradley <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 0:51:09
Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions

Is it a brand new monitor? - If so that thing will be pumping out gas from the flame retardents. It's most likely the gas that is effecting you! Google it!!

____________ _________ _________ __
From: alstrup <alstrup@yahoo. com>
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Sent: Wed, 6 January, 2010 23:44:08
Subject: [eSens] LCD screen emissions

Hi,

I am wondering what kind of radiation is coming from LCD screens and if there are any differences between the different types of LCD panels. I use a HP LP2475w for work which has a S-IPS type panel, for many hours every day since last autumn and lately I am experiencing skin irritation on my forehead like I am getting a sunburn. I am skintype 1 and cannot make melanin, only a little freckels on the forearms, so was always sensitive to the sun andhad to take care with sunblocks and protective clothing during the summer.I have adrenal fatigue and make too little cortisol, so I am extremely sensitive to UV radiation since late 2006, but this summer my sensitivity to the sun was 50% worse, to the point of not being able to go out, although myAF got 50% better since the summer of 2008,(due to a specialized AF protocol) now I am beginning to speculate if certain emissions from this screen may have something to do with it, that is has sensitized me to UV or
other spectrum from the sun. Before I used a CRT screen what was harmonizedwith tachyon disks. Thanks for any input.

- Ole

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alstrup

Re: LCD screen emissions

In reply to this post by glenmayepete

This is a general article, I dont see any reference to the gas being pumpedout from this monitor. However, this kind of S-IPS panel gets very hot unlike other LCD panels and it has cooling panels all around it where heat is coming out...hmmm.....I wonder if the screen will always emit these gases, then again I havent checked this with HP, what policy they have about use of materials, so will look into it. Thanks.

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From: glenmayepete <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 0:56:15
Subject: [eSens] Re: LCD screen emissions

You should also take into consideration the 'flame retardant gas' being pumped out from this monitor. Google it. http://www.wired. com/science/ discoveries/ news/2004/ 06/63717

--- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "alstrup" <alstrup@... > wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I am wondering what kind of radiation is coming from LCD screens and if there are any differences between the different types of LCD panels. I use aHP LP2475w for work which has a S-IPS type panel, for many hours every daysince last autumn and lately I am experiencing skin irritation on my forehead like I am getting a sunburn. I am skintype 1 and cannot make melanin, only a little freckels on the forearms, so was always sensitive to the sun and had to take care with sunblocks and protective clothing during the summer. I have adrenal fatigue and make too little cortisol, so I am extremely sensitive to UV radiation since late 2006, but this summer my sensitivity tothe sun was 50% worse, to the point of not being able to go out, although my AF got 50% better since the summer of 2008,(due to a specialized AF protocol) now I am beginning to speculate if certain emissions from this screenmay have something to do with it, that is has sensitized me to UV
or other spectrum from the sun. Before I used a CRT screen what was harmonized with tachyon disks. Thanks for any input.
>
> - Ole
>

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R. Ticle

Re: LCD screen emissions

In reply to this post by alstrup

Hi there,

I'm facing a current situation of trying to find a better computing solution, myself. I have a 24 inch Dell LCD monitor, and it's electric and magnetic field at the range I sit are non measurable, but an AM radio picks up a lot of RF (radiofrequency noise). Could that be part of the issue for you?

R.

--- On Wed, 1/6/10, alstrup <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: alstrup <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
To: [hidden email]
Received: Wednesday, January 6, 2010, 11:44 PM

Hi,

I am wondering what kind of radiation is coming from LCD screens and if there are any differences between the different types of LCD panels. I use a HP LP2475w for work which has a S-IPS type panel, for many hours every day since last autumn and lately I am experiencing skin irritation on my forehead like I am getting a sunburn. I am skintype 1 and cannot make melanin, only a little freckels on the forearms, so was always sensitive to the sun andhad to take care with sunblocks and protective clothing during the summer.I have adrenal fatigue and make too little cortisol, so I am extremely sensitive to UV radiation since late 2006, but this summer my sensitivity to the sun was 50% worse, to the point of not being able to go out, although myAF got 50% better since the summer of 2008,(due to a specialized AF protocol) now I am beginning to speculate if certain emissions from this screen may have something to do with it, that is has sensitized me to UV or
other spectrum from the sun. Before I used a CRT screen what was harmonized with tachyon disks. Thanks for any input.

- Ole

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Marc Martin

Re: LCD screen emissions

Administrator

In reply to this post by alstrup

Hi Ole,

Having used several different types of LCD screens, I cannot say that
S-IPS panels are any different from an ES standpoint. They all seem
to be about the same.

You should of course make sure that the monitor is as far away from
you as practical, you should experiment with the refresh rate coming
from the PC (I like it as low as possible, 60hz), you should also
see if your monitor allows you to reduce the intensity of the backlight
(lower backlight is more tolerable for me), you can also try running
the monitor at reduced resolution from the PC (lower resolutions are
easier to tolerate for me -- must be a reduction in noise coming
from the video card or the monitor cable). Also experiment with
using a VGA connection vs. a DVI connection, or shielded monitor
cables.

As for sun sensitivity, I will note that when I first started taking
Dr. Wilson's Adrenal Rebuilder (which I believe you are also taking),
I became noticeably more sun sensitive. The solution to this was to
simply reduce the dosage, and start using more skin lotion.

As for using tachyon discs, I have found that too many tachyon discs
causes my skin reactions to be worse, but there does seem to be an
optimal amount one can use. I actually find the products from
Quantum Products to be better at keeping your skin reactions down.
Tachyon discs in general seem to increase my skin reddening, while
Quantum Products in general decrease it.

Marc

Paul Coffman

Re: LCD screen emissions

This is way too ironic. I just ordered the same hp 2475w because i am
hoping the screen is easier on my eyes. It just arrived and is sitting in
the box. Have you had this skin problem with other lcd monitors before or
just this one? lcd technology sucks, oled will be much better, the nikon
s70 camera has a 3" oled screen on it, i went to best buy to look at it, had
no eye strain problems at all, I would pay about anything to have a 15" or
more monitor, supposedly LG has one available in Korea now.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Hi Ole,
>
> Having used several different types of LCD screens, I cannot say that
> S-IPS panels are any different from an ES standpoint. They all seem
> to be about the same.
>
> You should of course make sure that the monitor is as far away from
> you as practical, you should experiment with the refresh rate coming
> from the PC (I like it as low as possible, 60hz), you should also
> see if your monitor allows you to reduce the intensity of the backlight
> (lower backlight is more tolerable for me), you can also try running
> the monitor at reduced resolution from the PC (lower resolutions are
> easier to tolerate for me -- must be a reduction in noise coming
> from the video card or the monitor cable). Also experiment with
> using a VGA connection vs. a DVI connection, or shielded monitor
> cables.
>
> As for sun sensitivity, I will note that when I first started taking
> Dr. Wilson's Adrenal Rebuilder (which I believe you are also taking),
> I became noticeably more sun sensitive. The solution to this was to
> simply reduce the dosage, and start using more skin lotion.
>
> As for using tachyon discs, I have found that too many tachyon discs
> causes my skin reactions to be worse, but there does seem to be an
> optimal amount one can use. I actually find the products from
> Quantum Products to be better at keeping your skin reactions down.
> Tachyon discs in general seem to increase my skin reddening, while
> Quantum Products in general decrease it.
>
> Marc
>
>

--
Paul Coffman

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charles-4

Re: LCD screen emissions

In reply to this post by alstrup

Tachyon disks do not help here.

I have placed two tourmaline cristals just befor my monitor, and also a
BioProtect card.
CMO products do also help.

LCD monitors may cause a problem.
There are good ones as well as bad ones.

They may emit VLF frequencies, 30, 60, 100 kHz.
And when they are VLF-poor, they may emit peaks at 3 MHz or even 4.5 MHz, as
I measured on my VLF-free Acer 26" monitor.

I have measured quite a lot of LCD televisions, but the types are changing
faster than I can measure.

Sony does have good ones, as well as bed ones.
A measured a goo one with a V in the type number, but when they changed the
V into a H, it was a bad one.
Philips does have good ones as well as bad ones.
Also for Samsung.

Be aslo aware, that when they do have this small BLUE light at the front,
stay away from it.
Electrosensitives can react heavily to these blue lamps.

I did have a VLF Detektor, which measures between 5 kHz and 30 kHz, and
between 30 kHz and 150 kHz.

On tuesday I finally received a prototype of an EMP Spy, an Impulsdetektor <
100 kHz, with several new rare antennas.
It is very, very sensitive, and let you hear all impulses, or modulations
from all electrical appliances in the house.
Even the sferics in the air.
There is also a special contact antenna, in order to measure the potential
VLF stored into the body.
So I am now measuring how much in the morning, and how much after exposure
of elektrosmog.

Be also aware of another point.

There is *dirty power*.
These are VLF frequencies in the mains electricity net. It may come from
outside, or it may be caused by yourself, by your own electrical appliances,
like 12/24 V halogen bulbs, or other stuff. It can be helped by placing some
special filters, like thos by Stetzer or Bajog.

And there is what I call *dirty air*.
These are VLF frequencies which are present in the air, caused by electrical
appliances.
The apparatus, like an LCD TV, emit these VLF into the air. No filter can
help here, because the filters only compensate in the mains, not in the air.

I do have another opinion.
I see elektrosmog as three different things.
1. Electrical fields
2. Magnetic fields
3. Frequencies

These may occur quasi independently from each other.
I mean, that VLF may have an impact on electrosensitives, although an
electrical field is (hardly) not measurable.
The distance of which electrosenitives may show reactions from VLF is much,
much larger, than theoretical thought by scientists.
But most scientists do not have the faintest idea, what electrosensitivity
really is, what its cause is, and how to treat it.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: "alstrup" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2010 12:44 AM
Subject: [eSens] LCD screen emissions

> Hi,
>
> I am wondering what kind of radiation is coming from LCD screens and if
> there are any differences between the different types of LCD panels. I use
> a HP LP2475w for work which has a S-IPS type panel, for many hours every
> day since last autumn and lately I am experiencing skin irritation on my
> forehead like I am getting a sunburn. I am skintype 1 and cannot make
> melanin, only a little freckels on the forearms, so was always sensitive
> to the sun and had to take care with sunblocks and protective clothing
> during the summer. I have adrenal fatigue and make too little cortisol, so
> I am extremely sensitive to UV radiation since late 2006, but this summer
> my sensitivity to the sun was 50% worse, to the point of not being able to
> go out, although my AF got 50% better since the summer of 2008,(due to a
> specialized AF protocol) now I am beginning to speculate if certain
> emissions from this screen may have something to do with it, that is has
> sensitized me to UV or other spectrum from the sun. Before I used a CRT
> screen what was harmonized with tachyon disks. Thanks for any input.
>
> - Ole
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>

alstrup

Re: LCD screen emissions

In reply to this post by Paul Coffman

Fyi, this screen sucks in terms of video quality, the particular S-IPS panel used in this model has a poor antireflective coating which creates a perceived layer of dirt on all white backgrounds in the picture, I have never seen anything quite like it. Unfortunately I missed this as the reviews I read of it did not mention it, it was only later I found other reviews which confirmed this, otherwise I would never have bought it. The largest OLED display (so far) was just unveiled at CES, it is 15 inches and is released in March.

________________________________
From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 7:01:06
Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions

This is way too ironic. I just ordered the same hp 2475w because i am
hoping the screen is easier on my eyes. It just arrived and is sitting in
the box. Have you had this skin problem with other lcd monitors before or
just this one? lcd technology sucks, oled will be much better, the nikon
s70 camera has a 3" oled screen on it, i went to best buy to look at it, had
no eye strain problems at all, I would pay about anything to have a 15" or
more monitor, supposedly LG has one available in Korea now.

On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

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Paul Coffman

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sctdh

Pure Supplements for Adrenals, ALA, Enzymes, etc.

In reply to this post by charles-4

I've been reading about some of the supplement companies that people are using here that i have also tried, but some of these companies have toxic or allergenic ingredients added, like Dr Wilson adding magnesium stearate and pharmaceutic glaze, or Standard Process with all their fillers, binders, etc. SO products did not work for me and hurt my gut, even after being tested by their top trainer, Dan Newell.

A product that has saved me when i crashed is Endosupreme from Supreme Nutrition, founded by Dr. Leibowitz in Colorado who tests products on his most sensitive patients. These products are mostly single ingredient, herbal, with absolutely nothing added. Endosupreme is for all endocrine glands. He has 10 products in this new line, including an Ashawaganda that is for thyroid and hypothalamus. Bodyguard is helpful with emfs. He trains practitionersin AK testing and energetic clearing that is now assisted with a laser device, which i am about to try, and i don't really understand that part yet.

Another pure line is Quantum from Premier Research Labs. They have a B6 that is good for adrenal and thyroid, or a multi b that is good for stress--both are fermented in bacteria the way Bs are meant to be in our gut and are live whole vitamins.

Quantum also has a Lipoic, DHLA--dihydro lipoic acid which is yet another form that i like. I find the simpler products from Quantum to be very good, they are very pure and tested energetically for strength. Their more complex formulas are not good for sensitive patients like me, and some of their practitioners that rely on this line sold me much more than i could handle, so i have to be selective.

Quantum also has energetic devices, like i said in another post, pyramids that help with my sleep, tektite stones in my pocket for energy and protection, and a laser to clear scanning pollution on my body, food, and other items. I don't fully understand how it works, but i can feel it and was testedfor it with foods before and after scanning the food and it made a difference.

Also, fulvic acid by Optimum Organics has been a long term winner with methat tested very highin value. It is probablly the most versitile supplement i know of as a mineral, anti-oxident, mild chelator, and other things, some which we don't even understand yet.

For enzymes BioSet is great, digestive and systemic, which were the beginning of my recovery. Ellen Cutler has books on these and here brand is the only one i ever tolerated.

Paul

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Paul Coffman

Re: LCD screen emissions

In reply to this post by alstrup

Let me ask this question - is there an LCD monitor being used by anyone in
this group that is 'acceptable' in terms of eye strain and e-sens issues?
Currently I am using a 4-yearold thinkpad notebook computer that is
tolerable but I was trying to get something better, from everything I read
these IPS panels were supposed to be better to look at, at the local best
buy I thought the MAC apple cinema displays were alot different than the
others and easier for me to look at, they are ips panels, but I am not a mac
user, and i've heard the comverter cables to use them on a vga-connections
windows pc don't work well.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> Fyi, this screen sucks in terms of video quality, the particular S-IPS
> panel used in this model has a poor antireflective coating which creates a
> perceived layer of dirt on all white backgrounds in the picture, I have
> never seen anything quite like it. Unfortunately I missed this as the
> reviews I read of it did not mention it, it was only later I found other
> reviews which confirmed this, otherwise I would never have bought it. The
> largest OLED display (so far) was just unveiled at CES, it is 15 inches and
> is released in March.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 7:01:06
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
>
> This is way too ironic. I just ordered the same hp 2475w because i am
> hoping the screen is easier on my eyes. It just arrived and is sitting in
> the box. Have you had this skin problem with other lcd monitors before or
> just this one? lcd technology sucks, oled will be much better, the nikon
> s70 camera has a 3" oled screen on it, i went to best buy to look at it,
> had
> no eye strain problems at all, I would pay about anything to have a 15" or
> more monitor, supposedly LG has one available in Korea now.
>
> On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]<marc%40ufoseries.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Hi Ole,
> >
> > Having used several different types of LCD screens, I cannot say that
> > S-IPS panels are any different from an ES standpoint. They all seem
> > to be about the same.
> >
> > You should of course make sure that the monitor is as far away from
> > you as practical, you should experiment with the refresh rate coming
> > from the PC (I like it as low as possible, 60hz), you should also
> > see if your monitor allows you to reduce the intensity of the backlight
> > (lower backlight is more tolerable for me), you can also try running
> > the monitor at reduced resolution from the PC (lower resolutions are
> > easier to tolerate for me -- must be a reduction in noise coming
> > from the video card or the monitor cable). Also experiment with
> > using a VGA connection vs. a DVI connection, or shielded monitor
> > cables.
> >
> > As for sun sensitivity, I will note that when I first started taking
> > Dr. Wilson's Adrenal Rebuilder (which I believe you are also taking),
> > I became noticeably more sun sensitive. The solution to this was to
> > simply reduce the dosage, and start using more skin lotion.
> >
> > As for using tachyon discs, I have found that too many tachyon discs
> > causes my skin reactions to be worse, but there does seem to be an
> > optimal amount one can use. I actually find the products from
> > Quantum Products to be better at keeping your skin reactions down.
> > Tachyon discs in general seem to increase my skin reddening, while
> > Quantum Products in general decrease it.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
>
> --
> Paul Coffman
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

--
Paul Coffman

[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Marc Martin

Re: LCD screen emissions

Administrator

> Let me ask this question - is there an LCD monitor being used by anyone
> in this group that is 'acceptable' in terms of eye strain and e-sens issues?

I'm probably not as sensitive as many here, and also use my LCD monitor(s)
with plenty of EMF protection devices, but I find both my home and work
LCD monitors "acceptable". The work LCD monitors are all Dell -- I've used
19" 4:3 monitors and 22" 16:9 monitors. My home PC is connected to a
26" Sony HDTV, which has the advantage that I can move it all the way
to the back of my desk and still read the text easily.

Marc

sctdh

Re: LCD screen emissions

In reply to this post by Paul Coffman

I had a good one: LCDCD now called something else. It died and i got a Samsung wide screen that i don't like, and i returned several before i settled on the cheapest one since they were all bad. I am thinking about getting the old one fixed at a higher cost than getting a new one because it worked. Or maybe coincidently i all screems started bothering me at the time that one died, but its worth a shot. I got the LCDCL in about 2005 before the wide screens came out.

I talked to the owner of TheGreenMachine in Ann Arbor, Michigan, who made the greenest computers and he is aware of emfs. He said the Samsung is the greenest, and Dell bothers people the most with emfs. He thought his was thelowest in emfs but he wasn't making any in October because he was looking for a new supplier of a key component.

Paul

--- On Thu, 1/7/10, Paul Coffman <[hidden email]> wrote:

> From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, January 7, 2010, 9:42 AM
> Let me ask this question - is there
> an LCD monitor being used by anyone in
> this group that is 'acceptable' in terms of eye strain and
> e-sens issues?
> Currently I am using a 4-yearold thinkpad notebook computer
> that is
> tolerable but I was trying to get something better, from
> everything I read
> these IPS panels were supposed to be better to look at, at
> the local best
> buy I thought the MAC apple cinema displays were alot
> different than the
> others and easier for me to look at, they are ips panels,
> but I am not a mac
> user, and i've heard the comverter cables to use them on a
> vga-connections
> windows pc don't work well.
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Fyi, this screen sucks in terms of video quality, the
> particular S-IPS
> > panel used in this model has a poor antireflective
> coating which creates a
> > perceived layer of dirt on all white backgrounds in
> the picture, I have
> > never seen anything quite like it. Unfortunately I
> missed this as the
> > reviews I read of it did not mention it, it was only
> later I found other
> > reviews which confirmed this, otherwise I would never
> have bought it. The
> > largest OLED display (so far) was just unveiled at
> CES, it is 15 inches and
> > is released in March.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email]
> <pkcoff%40gmail.com>>
> > To: [hidden email]
> <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 7:01:06
> >
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
> >
> > This is way too ironic. I just ordered the same hp
> 2475w because i am
> > hoping the screen is easier on my eyes. It just
> arrived and is sitting in
> > the box. Have you had this skin problem with other lcd
> monitors before or
> > just this one? lcd technology sucks, oled will be much
> better, the nikon
> > s70 camera has a 3" oled screen on it, i went to best
> buy to look at it,
> > had
> > no eye strain problems at all, I would pay about
> anything to have a 15" or
> > more monitor, supposedly LG has one available in Korea
> now.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]<marc%40ufoseries.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Ole,
> > >
> > > Having used several different types of LCD
> screens, I cannot say that
> > > S-IPS panels are any different from an ES
> standpoint. They all seem
> > > to be about the same.
> > >
> > > You should of course make sure that the monitor
> is as far away from
> > > you as practical, you should experiment with the
> refresh rate coming
> > > from the PC (I like it as low as possible, 60hz),
> you should also
> > > see if your monitor allows you to reduce the
> intensity of the backlight
> > > (lower backlight is more tolerable for me), you
> can also try running
> > > the monitor at reduced resolution from the PC
> (lower resolutions are
> > > easier to tolerate for me -- must be a reduction
> in noise coming
> > > from the video card or the monitor cable). Also
> experiment with
> > > using a VGA connection vs. a DVI connection, or
> shielded monitor
> > > cables.
> > >
> > > As for sun sensitivity, I will note that when I
> first started taking
> > > Dr. Wilson's Adrenal Rebuilder (which I believe
> you are also taking),
> > > I became noticeably more sun sensitive. The
> solution to this was to
> > > simply reduce the dosage, and start using more
> skin lotion.
> > >
> > > As for using tachyon discs, I have found that too
> many tachyon discs
> > > causes my skin reactions to be worse, but there
> does seem to be an
> > > optimal amount one can use. I actually find the
> products from
> > > Quantum Products to be better at keeping your
> skin reactions down.
> > > Tachyon discs in general seem to increase my skin
> reddening, while
> > > Quantum Products in general decrease it.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Coffman
> >
> >
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> >
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> >
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> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Paul Coffman
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
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>
>
> [hidden email]
>
>
>

Marc Martin

Re: LCD screen emissions

Administrator

> I talked to the owner of TheGreenMachine in Ann Arbor, Michigan, who made
> the greenest computers and he is aware of emfs. He said the Samsung is
> the greenest, and Dell bothers people the most with emfs. He thought his
> was the lowest in emfs but he wasn't making any in October because he was
> looking for a new supplier of a key component.

Yes, the Green Machine was never very good at responding to my emails, so
I've wondered if they were still in business or not...

Marc

Marc Martin

Re: LCD screen emissions

Administrator

In reply to this post by Paul Coffman

> from everything I read these IPS panels were supposed to be better to look at

Yes, the IPS panels do seem nicer, especially in terms of viewing angle and
the image characteristics not changing when you move your head to the left
or right.

The big feature for ES I think is the ability to dim the backlight. You should
make sure than it can do this. Also, I'd be interested in hearing more from
people who have purchased LED backlit monitors, and whether these are better
than florescent backlit.

OLED always seems to "in the future", unfortunately... it's been that way for
years and years.

Marc

sctdh

Re: LCD screen emissions

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

He was willing to talk on the phone a long time, some people just don't do email.
Paul

Yes, the Green Machine was never very good at responding to my emails, so
I've wondered if they were still in business or not...

Marc

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alstrup

Re: LCD screen emissions

In reply to this post by Paul Coffman

I got a Lenovo T500 thinkpad last year, I couldnt believe how bad the screen were, hazy, dirty and flickers like crazy,much more than other screens. The MAC screens you mention are much better than anything else I have seen, which includes a lot, but they use the new LED backlight technology, not the conventional CCFL. I dont know who makes the panels for them and if they modify them at their own plant, perhaps they do. The IPS panel in my HP LP2475w is actually a H-IPS panel made by LG, HP says it is an S-IPS panel, but inspection showed it is the H-IPS LM240WU4 panel, although I dont know if they use different panels for the same model.
All conventional PC LCD screens display with 60Hz flicker, if your graphics card send more than 60Hz to the screen, it is automatically downconverted by the screen circuits before it hits the panel, you never get to see anything more than 60. Although LCDs are not interlaced like my old 4:3 CRT at 85Hz and 100Hz which had a rocksteady image without any perceived flicker, I quickly get a brain fatigue by looking at 60Hz LCD, it really messes up my brain, and I use a resolution at 1024 X 768. I have a speculation that perhaps this is because I have amblyopia (lazy eye) on my right eye since childhood and my brain gets confused/sensitized to screen flicker by being fed mostly too much periphial visual information from this eye while my left eye is trained up to get as much foveal vision as possible.

________________________________
From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 18:42:40
Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions

Let me ask this question - is there an LCD monitor being used by anyone in
this group that is 'acceptable' in terms of eye strain and e-sens issues?
Currently I am using a 4-yearold thinkpad notebook computer that is
tolerable but I was trying to get something better, from everything I read
these IPS panels were supposed to be better to look at, at the local best
buy I thought the MAC apple cinema displays were alot different than the
others and easier for me to look at, they are ips panels, but I am not a mac
user, and i've heard the comverter cables to use them on a vga-connections
windows pc don't work well.

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]> wrote:

--
Paul Coffman

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alstrup

Re: LCD screen emissions

In reply to this post by Marc Martin

Hi Marc,

Thanks for the input and suggestions. Interesting observation about the Adrenal Rebuilder and sun sensitivity. How do you use your ATTI Tachyon disks to get a skin reaction? I use tachyon for just the opposite effect. Hmmm, Ineed to doublecheck my supplements, I recently started a few new supplements and perhaps it is not the screen, but I just get this irritation on my skin when I sit in front of it, dont know if this is just a placebo effect. Will stop the new supplements and reintroduce them one bye one if the problem goes away after that to watch for any reaction. Anyway, there are so many possible factors with all this stuff, its enough to get a brain fatigue from even thinking about it.

Thanks,

Ole

________________________________
From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 2:28:05
Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions

Hi Ole,

Having used several different types of LCD screens, I cannot say that
S-IPS panels are any different from an ES standpoint. They all seem
to be about the same.

You should of course make sure that the monitor is as far away from
you as practical, you should experiment with the refresh rate coming
from the PC (I like it as low as possible, 60hz), you should also
see if your monitor allows you to reduce the intensity of the backlight
(lower backlight is more tolerable for me), you can also try running
the monitor at reduced resolution from the PC (lower resolutions are
easier to tolerate for me -- must be a reduction in noise coming
from the video card or the monitor cable). Also experiment with
using a VGA connection vs. a DVI connection, or shielded monitor
cables.

As for sun sensitivity, I will note that when I first started taking
Dr. Wilson's Adrenal Rebuilder (which I believe you are also taking),
I became noticeably more sun sensitive. The solution to this was to
simply reduce the dosage, and start using more skin lotion.

As for using tachyon discs, I have found that too many tachyon discs
causes my skin reactions to be worse, but there does seem to be an
optimal amount one can use. I actually find the products from
Quantum Products to be better at keeping your skin reactions down.
Tachyon discs in general seem to increase my skin reddening, while
Quantum Products in general decrease it.

Marc

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BiBrun

Re: LCD screen emissions

In reply to this post by alstrup

I would say if you are super sensitive to UV light, there
could be some coming from the fluorescent backlight
of an LCD screen. (probably most of it is blocked by
the plastic in the screen but maybe not all?).
You can get a little card that changes color from UV from
lessEMF. If this is the problem I think an LED backlight
will solve it.

Bill

On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]> wrote:

>
>
> I got a Lenovo T500 thinkpad last year, I couldnt believe how bad the
> screen were, hazy, dirty and flickers like crazy,much more than other
> screens. The MAC screens you mention are much better than anything else I
> have seen, which includes a lot, but they use the new LED backlight
> technology, not the conventional CCFL. I dont know who makes the panels for
> them and if they modify them at their own plant, perhaps they do. The IPS
> panel in my HP LP2475w is actually a H-IPS panel made by LG, HP says it is
> an S-IPS panel, but inspection showed it is the H-IPS LM240WU4 panel,
> although I dont know if they use different panels for the same model.
> All conventional PC LCD screens display with 60Hz flicker, if your graphics
> card send more than 60Hz to the screen, it is automatically downconvertedby
> the screen circuits before it hits the panel, you never get to see anything
> more than 60. Although LCDs are not interlaced like my old 4:3 CRT at 85Hz
> and 100Hz which had a rocksteady image without any perceived flicker, I
> quickly get a brain fatigue by looking at 60Hz LCD, it really messes up my
> brain, and I use a resolution at 1024 X 768. I have a speculation that
> perhaps this is because I have amblyopia (lazy eye) on my right eye since
> childhood and my brain gets confused/sensitized to screen flicker by being
> fed mostly too much periphial visual information from this eye while my left
> eye is trained up to get as much foveal vision as possible.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 18:42:40
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
>
> Let me ask this question - is there an LCD monitor being used by anyone in
> this group that is 'acceptable' in terms of eye strain and e-sens issues?
> Currently I am using a 4-yearold thinkpad notebook computer that is
> tolerable but I was trying to get something better, from everything I read
> these IPS panels were supposed to be better to look at, at the local best
> buy I thought the MAC apple cinema displays were alot different than the
> others and easier for me to look at, they are ips panels, but I am not a
> mac
> user, and i've heard the comverter cables to use them on a vga-connections
> windows pc don't work well.
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]<alstrup%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Fyi, this screen sucks in terms of video quality, the particular S-IPS
> > panel used in this model has a poor antireflective coating which creates
> a
> > perceived layer of dirt on all white backgrounds in the picture, I have
> > never seen anything quite like it. Unfortunately I missed this as the
> > reviews I read of it did not mention it, it was only later I found other
> > reviews which confirmed this, otherwise I would never have bought it. The
> > largest OLED display (so far) was just unveiled at CES, it is 15 inches
> and
> > is released in March.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com> <pkcoff%
> 40gmail.com>>
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 7:01:06
> >
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
> >
> > This is way too ironic. I just ordered the same hp 2475w because i am
> > hoping the screen is easier on my eyes. It just arrived and is sitting in
> > the box. Have you had this skin problem with other lcd monitors before or
> > just this one? lcd technology sucks, oled will be much better, the nikon
> > s70 camera has a 3" oled screen on it, i went to best buy to look at it,
> > had
> > no eye strain problems at all, I would pay about anything to have a 15"
> or
> > more monitor, supposedly LG has one available in Korea now.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]<marc%40ufoseries.com>
> <marc%40ufoseries.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Ole,
> > >
> > > Having used several different types of LCD screens, I cannot say that
> > > S-IPS panels are any different from an ES standpoint. They all seem
> > > to be about the same.
> > >
> > > You should of course make sure that the monitor is as far away from
> > > you as practical, you should experiment with the refresh rate coming
> > > from the PC (I like it as low as possible, 60hz), you should also
> > > see if your monitor allows you to reduce the intensity of the backlight
> > > (lower backlight is more tolerable for me), you can also try running
> > > the monitor at reduced resolution from the PC (lower resolutions are
> > > easier to tolerate for me -- must be a reduction in noise coming
> > > from the video card or the monitor cable). Also experiment with
> > > using a VGA connection vs. a DVI connection, or shielded monitor
> > > cables.
> > >
> > > As for sun sensitivity, I will note that when I first started taking
> > > Dr. Wilson's Adrenal Rebuilder (which I believe you are also taking),
> > > I became noticeably more sun sensitive. The solution to this was to
> > > simply reduce the dosage, and start using more skin lotion.
> > >
> > > As for using tachyon discs, I have found that too many tachyon discs
> > > causes my skin reactions to be worse, but there does seem to be an
> > > optimal amount one can use. I actually find the products from
> > > Quantum Products to be better at keeping your skin reactions down.
> > > Tachyon discs in general seem to increase my skin reddening, while
> > > Quantum Products in general decrease it.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Coffman
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Paul Coffman
>
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>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

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