LCD screen emissions

>
>
> I got a Lenovo T500 thinkpad last year, I couldnt believe how bad the
> screen were, hazy, dirty and flickers like crazy,much more than other
> screens. The MAC screens you mention are much better than anything else I
> have seen, which includes a lot, but they use the new LED backlight
> technology, not the conventional CCFL. I dont know who makes the panels for
> them and if they modify them at their own plant, perhaps they do. The IPS
> panel in my HP LP2475w is actually a H-IPS panel made by LG, HP says it is
> an S-IPS panel, but inspection showed it is the H-IPS LM240WU4 panel,
> although I dont know if they use different panels for the same model.
> All conventional PC LCD screens display with 60Hz flicker, if your graphics
> card send more than 60Hz to the screen, it is automatically downconverted by
> the screen circuits before it hits the panel, you never get to see anything
> more than 60. Although LCDs are not interlaced like my old 4:3 CRT at 85Hz
> and 100Hz which had a rocksteady image without any perceived flicker, I
> quickly get a brain fatigue by looking at 60Hz LCD, it really messes up my
> brain, and I use a resolution at 1024 X 768. I have a speculation that
> perhaps this is because I have amblyopia (lazy eye) on my right eye since
> childhood and my brain gets confused/sensitized to screen flicker by being
> fed mostly too much periphial visual information from this eye while my left
> eye is trained up to get as much foveal vision as possible.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 18:42:40
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
>
> Let me ask this question - is there an LCD monitor being used by anyone in
> this group that is 'acceptable' in terms of eye strain and e-sens issues?
> Currently I am using a 4-yearold thinkpad notebook computer that is
> tolerable but I was trying to get something better, from everything I read
> these IPS panels were supposed to be better to look at, at the local best
> buy I thought the MAC apple cinema displays were alot different than the
> others and easier for me to look at, they are ips panels, but I am not a
> mac
> user, and i've heard the comverter cables to use them on a vga-connections
> windows pc don't work well.
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]<alstrup%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Fyi, this screen sucks in terms of video quality, the particular S-IPS
> > panel used in this model has a poor antireflective coating which creates
> a
> > perceived layer of dirt on all white backgrounds in the picture, I have
> > never seen anything quite like it. Unfortunately I missed this as the
> > reviews I read of it did not mention it, it was only later I found other
> > reviews which confirmed this, otherwise I would never have bought it. The
> > largest OLED display (so far) was just unveiled at CES, it is 15 inches
> and
> > is released in March.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com> <pkcoff%
> 40gmail.com>>
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 7:01:06
> >
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
> >
> > This is way too ironic. I just ordered the same hp 2475w because i am
> > hoping the screen is easier on my eyes. It just arrived and is sitting in
> > the box. Have you had this skin problem with other lcd monitors before or
> > just this one? lcd technology sucks, oled will be much better, the nikon
> > s70 camera has a 3" oled screen on it, i went to best buy to look at it,
> > had
> > no eye strain problems at all, I would pay about anything to have a 15"
> or
> > more monitor, supposedly LG has one available in Korea now.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]<marc%40ufoseries.com>
> <marc%40ufoseries.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Ole,
> > >
> > > Having used several different types of LCD screens, I cannot say that
> > > S-IPS panels are any different from an ES standpoint. They all seem
> > > to be about the same.
> > >
> > > You should of course make sure that the monitor is as far away from
> > > you as practical, you should experiment with the refresh rate coming
> > > from the PC (I like it as low as possible, 60hz), you should also
> > > see if your monitor allows you to reduce the intensity of the backlight
> > > (lower backlight is more tolerable for me), you can also try running
> > > the monitor at reduced resolution from the PC (lower resolutions are
> > > easier to tolerate for me -- must be a reduction in noise coming
> > > from the video card or the monitor cable). Also experiment with
> > > using a VGA connection vs. a DVI connection, or shielded monitor
> > > cables.
> > >
> > > As for sun sensitivity, I will note that when I first started taking
> > > Dr. Wilson's Adrenal Rebuilder (which I believe you are also taking),
> > > I became noticeably more sun sensitive. The solution to this was to
> > > simply reduce the dosage, and start using more skin lotion.
> > >
> > > As for using tachyon discs, I have found that too many tachyon discs
> > > causes my skin reactions to be worse, but there does seem to be an
> > > optimal amount one can use. I actually find the products from
> > > Quantum Products to be better at keeping your skin reactions down.
> > > Tachyon discs in general seem to increase my skin reddening, while
> > > Quantum Products in general decrease it.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Coffman
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Paul Coffman
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>

>
>
> I got a Lenovo T500 thinkpad last year, I couldnt believe how bad the
> screen were, hazy, dirty and flickers like crazy,much more than other
> screens. The MAC screens you mention are much better than anything else I
> have seen, which includes a lot, but they use the new LED backlight
> technology, not the conventional CCFL. I dont know who makes the panels for
> them and if they modify them at their own plant, perhaps they do. The IPS
> panel in my HP LP2475w is actually a H-IPS panel made by LG, HP says it is
> an S-IPS panel, but inspection showed it is the H-IPS LM240WU4 panel,
> although I dont know if they use different panels for the same model.
> All conventional PC LCD screens display with 60Hz flicker, if your graphics
> card send more than 60Hz to the screen, it is automatically downconvertedby
> the screen circuits before it hits the panel, you never get to see anything
> more than 60. Although LCDs are not interlaced like my old 4:3 CRT at 85Hz
> and 100Hz which had a rocksteady image without any perceived flicker, I
> quickly get a brain fatigue by looking at 60Hz LCD, it really messes up my
> brain, and I use a resolution at 1024 X 768. I have a speculation that
> perhaps this is because I have amblyopia (lazy eye) on my right eye since
> childhood and my brain gets confused/sensitized to screen flicker by being
> fed mostly too much periphial visual information from this eye while my left
> eye is trained up to get as much foveal vision as possible.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 18:42:40
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
>
> Let me ask this question - is there an LCD monitor being used by anyone in
> this group that is 'acceptable' in terms of eye strain and e-sens issues?
> Currently I am using a 4-yearold thinkpad notebook computer that is
> tolerable but I was trying to get something better, from everything I read
> these IPS panels were supposed to be better to look at, at the local best
> buy I thought the MAC apple cinema displays were alot different than the
> others and easier for me to look at, they are ips panels, but I am not a
> mac
> user, and i've heard the comverter cables to use them on a vga-connections
> windows pc don't work well.
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]<alstrup%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Fyi, this screen sucks in terms of video quality, the particular S-IPS
> > panel used in this model has a poor antireflective coating which creates
> a
> > perceived layer of dirt on all white backgrounds in the picture, I have
> > never seen anything quite like it. Unfortunately I missed this as the
> > reviews I read of it did not mention it, it was only later I found other
> > reviews which confirmed this, otherwise I would never have bought it. The
> > largest OLED display (so far) was just unveiled at CES, it is 15 inches
> and
> > is released in March.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com> <pkcoff%
> 40gmail.com>>
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 7:01:06
> >
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
> >
> > This is way too ironic. I just ordered the same hp 2475w because i am
> > hoping the screen is easier on my eyes. It just arrived and is sitting in
> > the box. Have you had this skin problem with other lcd monitors before or
> > just this one? lcd technology sucks, oled will be much better, the nikon
> > s70 camera has a 3" oled screen on it, i went to best buy to look at it,
> > had
> > no eye strain problems at all, I would pay about anything to have a 15"
> or
> > more monitor, supposedly LG has one available in Korea now.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]<marc%40ufoseries.com>
> <marc%40ufoseries.com>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Ole,
> > >
> > > Having used several different types of LCD screens, I cannot say that
> > > S-IPS panels are any different from an ES standpoint. They all seem
> > > to be about the same.
> > >
> > > You should of course make sure that the monitor is as far away from
> > > you as practical, you should experiment with the refresh rate coming
> > > from the PC (I like it as low as possible, 60hz), you should also
> > > see if your monitor allows you to reduce the intensity of the backlight
> > > (lower backlight is more tolerable for me), you can also try running
> > > the monitor at reduced resolution from the PC (lower resolutions are
> > > easier to tolerate for me -- must be a reduction in noise coming
> > > from the video card or the monitor cable). Also experiment with
> > > using a VGA connection vs. a DVI connection, or shielded monitor
> > > cables.
> > >
> > > As for sun sensitivity, I will note that when I first started taking
> > > Dr. Wilson's Adrenal Rebuilder (which I believe you are also taking),
> > > I became noticeably more sun sensitive. The solution to this was to
> > > simply reduce the dosage, and start using more skin lotion.
> > >
> > > As for using tachyon discs, I have found that too many tachyon discs
> > > causes my skin reactions to be worse, but there does seem to be an
> > > optimal amount one can use. I actually find the products from
> > > Quantum Products to be better at keeping your skin reactions down.
> > > Tachyon discs in general seem to increase my skin reddening, while
> > > Quantum Products in general decrease it.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Coffman
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
> Paul Coffman
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>

>
>
> Really? UV coming from CCFL backlights? Wow, thanks for that info Bill! I
> havent done any skin tests, but I am bordering to extreme skin sensitivity,
> I couldnt tolerate the UV coming from a Lifelite fulllspectrum bulb and this
> past summer I was wearing 50+UPF frillneck caps and even that wasnt enough
> to protect me from sunburn while being out for limited periods. I am having
> a new adrenal hormonal test, if this shows continued low levels of
> anti-inflammatory cortisol, I will start taking hydrocortisone with
> specialist guidance. ! Whats that card from LessEMF? I think I need to get
> out and get a MAC LED backlighted screen.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 21:21:11
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
>
> I would say if you are super sensitive to UV light, there
> could be some coming from the fluorescent backlight
> of an LCD screen. (probably most of it is blocked by
> the plastic in the screen but maybe not all?).
> You can get a little card that changes color from UV from
> lessEMF. If this is the problem I think an LED backlight
> will solve it.
>
> Bill
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]<alstrup%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > I got a Lenovo T500 thinkpad last year, I couldnt believe how bad the
> > screen were, hazy, dirty and flickers like crazy,much more than other
> > screens. The MAC screens you mention are much better than anything elseI
> > have seen, which includes a lot, but they use the new LED backlight
> > technology, not the conventional CCFL. I dont know who makes the panels
> for
> > them and if they modify them at their own plant, perhaps they do. The IPS
> > panel in my HP LP2475w is actually a H-IPS panel made by LG, HP says it
> is
> > an S-IPS panel, but inspection showed it is the H-IPS LM240WU4 panel,
> > although I dont know if they use different panels for the same model.
> > All conventional PC LCD screens display with 60Hz flicker, if your
> graphics
> > card send more than 60Hz to the screen, it is automatically downconverted
> by
> > the screen circuits before it hits the panel, you never get to see
> anything
> > more than 60. Although LCDs are not interlaced like my old 4:3 CRT at
> 85Hz
> > and 100Hz which had a rocksteady image without any perceived flicker, I
> > quickly get a brain fatigue by looking at 60Hz LCD, it really messes up
> my
> > brain, and I use a resolution at 1024 X 768. I have a speculation that
> > perhaps this is because I have amblyopia (lazy eye) on my right eye since
> > childhood and my brain gets confused/sensitized to screen flicker by
> being
> > fed mostly too much periphial visual information from this eye while my
> left
> > eye is trained up to get as much foveal vision as possible.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com> <pkcoff%
> 40gmail.com>>
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 18:42:40
> >
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
> >
> > Let me ask this question - is there an LCD monitor being used by anyone
> in
> > this group that is 'acceptable' in terms of eye strain and e-sens issues?
> > Currently I am using a 4-yearold thinkpad notebook computer that is
> > tolerable but I was trying to get something better, from everything I
> read
> > these IPS panels were supposed to be better to look at, at the local best
> > buy I thought the MAC apple cinema displays were alot different than the
> > others and easier for me to look at, they are ips panels, but I am not a
> > mac
> > user, and i've heard the comverter cables to use them on a
> vga-connections
> > windows pc don't work well.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]<alstrup%40yahoo.com>
> <alstrup%40yahoo.com>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Fyi, this screen sucks in terms of video quality, the particular S-IPS
> > > panel used in this model has a poor antireflective coating which
> creates
> > a
> > > perceived layer of dirt on all white backgrounds in the picture, I have
> > > never seen anything quite like it. Unfortunately I missed this as the
> > > reviews I read of it did not mention it, it was only later I found
> other
> > > reviews which confirmed this, otherwise I would never have bought it.
> The
> > > largest OLED display (so far) was just unveiled at CES, it is 15 inches
> > and
> > > is released in March.
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com> <pkcoff%
> 40gmail.com> <pkcoff%
> > 40gmail.com>>
> > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
>
> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 7:01:06
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
> > >
> > > This is way too ironic. I just ordered the same hp 2475w because i am
> > > hoping the screen is easier on my eyes. It just arrived and is sitting
> in
> > > the box. Have you had this skin problem with other lcd monitors before
> or
> > > just this one? lcd technology sucks, oled will be much better, the
> nikon
> > > s70 camera has a 3" oled screen on it, i went to best buy to look at
> it,
> > > had
> > > no eye strain problems at all, I would pay about anything to have a 15"
> > or
> > > more monitor, supposedly LG has one available in Korea now.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]<marc%40ufoseries.com>
> <marc%40ufoseries.com>
> > <marc%40ufoseries.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ole,
> > > >
> > > > Having used several different types of LCD screens, I cannot say that
> > > > S-IPS panels are any different from an ES standpoint. They all seem
> > > > to be about the same.
> > > >
> > > > You should of course make sure that the monitor is as far away from
> > > > you as practical, you should experiment with the refresh rate coming
> > > > from the PC (I like it as low as possible, 60hz), you should also
> > > > see if your monitor allows you to reduce the intensity of the
> backlight
> > > > (lower backlight is more tolerable for me), you can also try running
> > > > the monitor at reduced resolution from the PC (lower resolutions are
> > > > easier to tolerate for me -- must be a reduction in noise coming
> > > > from the video card or the monitor cable). Also experiment with
> > > > using a VGA connection vs. a DVI connection, or shielded monitor
> > > > cables.
> > > >
> > > > As for sun sensitivity, I will note that when I first started taking
> > > > Dr. Wilson's Adrenal Rebuilder (which I believe you are also taking),
> > > > I became noticeably more sun sensitive. The solution to this was to
> > > > simply reduce the dosage, and start using more skin lotion.
> > > >
> > > > As for using tachyon discs, I have found that too many tachyon discs
> > > > causes my skin reactions to be worse, but there does seem to be an
> > > > optimal amount one can use. I actually find the products from
> > > > Quantum Products to be better at keeping your skin reactions down.
> > > > Tachyon discs in general seem to increase my skin reddening, while
> > > > Quantum Products in general decrease it.
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Paul Coffman
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > > ------------------------------------
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Coffman
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> > ------------------------------------
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>

>
>
> I got a Lenovo T500 thinkpad last year, I couldnt believe how bad the
> screen were, hazy, dirty and flickers like crazy,much more than other
> screens. The MAC screens you mention are much better than anything else I
> have seen, which includes a lot, but they use the new LED backlight
> technology, not the conventional CCFL. I dont know who makes the panels for
> them and if they modify them at their own plant, perhaps they do. The IPS
> panel in my HP LP2475w is actually a H-IPS panel made by LG, HP says it is
> an S-IPS panel, but inspection showed it is the H-IPS LM240WU4 panel,
> although I dont know if they use different panels for the same model.
> All conventional PC LCD screens display with 60Hz flicker, if your graphics
> card send more than 60Hz to the screen, it is automatically downconverted by
> the screen circuits before it hits the panel, you never get to see anything
> more than 60. Although LCDs are not interlaced like my old 4:3 CRT at 85Hz
> and 100Hz which had a rocksteady image without any perceived flicker, I
> quickly get a brain fatigue by looking at 60Hz LCD, it really messes up my
> brain, and I use a resolution at 1024 X 768. I have a speculation that
> perhaps this is because I have amblyopia (lazy eye) on my right eye since
> childhood and my brain gets confused/sensitized to screen flicker by being
> fed mostly too much periphial visual information from this eye while my left
> eye is trained up to get as much foveal vision as possible.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 18:42:40
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
>
> Let me ask this question - is there an LCD monitor being used by anyone in
> this group that is 'acceptable' in terms of eye strain and e-sens issues?
> Currently I am using a 4-yearold thinkpad notebook computer that is
> tolerable but I was trying to get something better, from everything I read
> these IPS panels were supposed to be better to look at, at the local best
> buy I thought the MAC apple cinema displays were alot different than the
> others and easier for me to look at, they are ips panels, but I am not a
> mac
> user, and i've heard the comverter cables to use them on a vga-connections
> windows pc don't work well.
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]<alstrup%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> > Fyi, this screen sucks in terms of video quality, the particular S-IPS
> > panel used in this model has a poor antireflective coating which creates
> a
> > perceived layer of dirt on all white backgrounds in the picture, I have
> > never seen anything quite like it. Unfortunately I missed this as the
> > reviews I read of it did not mention it, it was only later I found other
> > reviews which confirmed this, otherwise I would never have bought it. The
> > largest OLED display (so far) was just unveiled at CES, it is 15 inches
> and
> > is released in March.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com> <pkcoff%
> 40gmail.com>>
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
>
> > Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 7:01:06
> >
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
> >
> > This is way too ironic. I just ordered the same hp 2475w because i am
> > hoping the screen is easier on my eyes. It just arrived and is sitting in
> > the box. Have you had this skin problem with other lcd monitors before or
> > just this one? lcd technology sucks, oled will be much better, the nikon
> > s70 camera has a 3" oled screen on it, i went to best buy to look at it,
> > had
> > no eye strain problems at all, I would pay about anything to have a 15"
> or
> > more monitor, supposedly LG has one available in Korea now.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]<marc%40ufoseries.com>
> <marc%40ufoseries.com>>
>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > Hi Ole,
> > >
> > > Having used several different types of LCD screens, I cannot say that
> > > S-IPS panels are any different from an ES standpoint. They all seem
> > > to be about the same.
> > >
> > > You should of course make sure that the monitor is as far away from
> > > you as practical, you should experiment with the refresh rate coming
> > > from the PC (I like it as low as possible, 60hz), you should also
> > > see if your monitor allows you to reduce the intensity of the backlight
> > > (lower backlight is more tolerable for me), you can also try running
> > > the monitor at reduced resolution from the PC (lower resolutions are
> > > easier to tolerate for me -- must be a reduction in noise coming
> > > from the video card or the monitor cable). Also experiment with
> > > using a VGA connection vs. a DVI connection, or shielded monitor
> > > cables.
> > >
> > > As for sun sensitivity, I will note that when I first started taking
> > > Dr. Wilson's Adrenal Rebuilder (which I believe you are also taking),
> > > I became noticeably more sun sensitive. The solution to this was to
> > > simply reduce the dosage, and start using more skin lotion.
> > >
> > > As for using tachyon discs, I have found that too many tachyon discs
> > > causes my skin reactions to be worse, but there does seem to be an
> > > optimal amount one can use. I actually find the products from
> > > Quantum Products to be better at keeping your skin reactions down.
> > > Tachyon discs in general seem to increase my skin reddening, while
> > > Quantum Products in general decrease it.
> > >
> > > Marc
> > >
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Paul Coffman
> >
> >
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> Really? UV coming from CCFL backlights? Wow, thanks for that info Bill! I
> havent done any skin tests, but I am bordering to extreme skin sensitivity,
> I couldnt tolerate the UV coming from a Lifelite fulllspectrum bulb and this
> past summer I was wearing 50+UPF frillneck caps and even that wasnt enough
> to protect me from sunburn while being out for limited periods. I am having
> a new adrenal hormonal test, if this shows continued low levels of
> anti-inflammatory cortisol, I will start taking hydrocortisone with
> specialist guidance. ! Whats that card from LessEMF? I think I need to get
> out and get a MAC LED backlighted screen.
>
> ________________________________
> From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email] <wbruno%40gmail.com>>
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 21:21:11
>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
>
> I would say if you are super sensitive to UV light, there
> could be some coming from the fluorescent backlight
> of an LCD screen. (probably most of it is blocked by
> the plastic in the screen but maybe not all?).
> You can get a little card that changes color from UV from
> lessEMF. If this is the problem I think an LED backlight
> will solve it.
>
> Bill
>
> On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 1:07 PM, Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]<alstrup%40yahoo.com>>
> wrote:
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> >
> >
> > I got a Lenovo T500 thinkpad last year, I couldnt believe how bad the
> > screen were, hazy, dirty and flickers like crazy,much more than other
> > screens. The MAC screens you mention are much better than anything else I
> > have seen, which includes a lot, but they use the new LED backlight
> > technology, not the conventional CCFL. I dont know who makes the panels
> for
> > them and if they modify them at their own plant, perhaps they do. The IPS
> > panel in my HP LP2475w is actually a H-IPS panel made by LG, HP says it
> is
> > an S-IPS panel, but inspection showed it is the H-IPS LM240WU4 panel,
> > although I dont know if they use different panels for the same model.
> > All conventional PC LCD screens display with 60Hz flicker, if your
> graphics
> > card send more than 60Hz to the screen, it is automatically downconverted
> by
> > the screen circuits before it hits the panel, you never get to see
> anything
> > more than 60. Although LCDs are not interlaced like my old 4:3 CRT at
> 85Hz
> > and 100Hz which had a rocksteady image without any perceived flicker, I
> > quickly get a brain fatigue by looking at 60Hz LCD, it really messes up
> my
> > brain, and I use a resolution at 1024 X 768. I have a speculation that
> > perhaps this is because I have amblyopia (lazy eye) on my right eye since
> > childhood and my brain gets confused/sensitized to screen flicker by
> being
> > fed mostly too much periphial visual information from this eye while my
> left
> > eye is trained up to get as much foveal vision as possible.
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com> <pkcoff%
> 40gmail.com>>
> > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> 40yahoogroups.com>
> > Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 18:42:40
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> > Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
> >
> > Let me ask this question - is there an LCD monitor being used by anyone
> in
> > this group that is 'acceptable' in terms of eye strain and e-sens issues?
> > Currently I am using a 4-yearold thinkpad notebook computer that is
> > tolerable but I was trying to get something better, from everything I
> read
> > these IPS panels were supposed to be better to look at, at the local best
> > buy I thought the MAC apple cinema displays were alot different than the
> > others and easier for me to look at, they are ips panels, but I am not a
> > mac
> > user, and i've heard the comverter cables to use them on a
> vga-connections
> > windows pc don't work well.
> >
> > On Thu, Jan 7, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Ole Alstrup <[hidden email]<alstrup%40yahoo.com>
> <alstrup%40yahoo.com>>
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> > wrote:
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> > >
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> > > Fyi, this screen sucks in terms of video quality, the particular S-IPS
> > > panel used in this model has a poor antireflective coating which
> creates
> > a
> > > perceived layer of dirt on all white backgrounds in the picture, I have
> > > never seen anything quite like it. Unfortunately I missed this as the
> > > reviews I read of it did not mention it, it was only later I found
> other
> > > reviews which confirmed this, otherwise I would never have bought it.
> The
> > > largest OLED display (so far) was just unveiled at CES, it is 15 inches
> > and
> > > is released in March.
> > >
> > > ________________________________
> > > From: Paul Coffman <[hidden email] <pkcoff%40gmail.com> <pkcoff%
> 40gmail.com> <pkcoff%
> > 40gmail.com>>
> > > To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
> 40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
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> > 40yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thu, 7 January, 2010 7:01:06
> > >
> > > Subject: Re: [eSens] LCD screen emissions
> > >
> > > This is way too ironic. I just ordered the same hp 2475w because i am
> > > hoping the screen is easier on my eyes. It just arrived and is sitting
> in
> > > the box. Have you had this skin problem with other lcd monitors before
> or
> > > just this one? lcd technology sucks, oled will be much better, the
> nikon
> > > s70 camera has a 3" oled screen on it, i went to best buy to look at
> it,
> > > had
> > > no eye strain problems at all, I would pay about anything to have a 15"
> > or
> > > more monitor, supposedly LG has one available in Korea now.
> > >
> > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2010 at 7:28 PM, Marc Martin <[hidden email]<marc%40ufoseries.com>
> <marc%40ufoseries.com>
> > <marc%40ufoseries.com>>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Hi Ole,
> > > >
> > > > Having used several different types of LCD screens, I cannot say that
> > > > S-IPS panels are any different from an ES standpoint. They all seem
> > > > to be about the same.
> > > >
> > > > You should of course make sure that the monitor is as far away from
> > > > you as practical, you should experiment with the refresh rate coming
> > > > from the PC (I like it as low as possible, 60hz), you should also
> > > > see if your monitor allows you to reduce the intensity of the
> backlight
> > > > (lower backlight is more tolerable for me), you can also try running
> > > > the monitor at reduced resolution from the PC (lower resolutions are
> > > > easier to tolerate for me -- must be a reduction in noise coming
> > > > from the video card or the monitor cable). Also experiment with
> > > > using a VGA connection vs. a DVI connection, or shielded monitor
> > > > cables.
> > > >
> > > > As for sun sensitivity, I will note that when I first started taking
> > > > Dr. Wilson's Adrenal Rebuilder (which I believe you are also taking),
> > > > I became noticeably more sun sensitive. The solution to this was to
> > > > simply reduce the dosage, and start using more skin lotion.
> > > >
> > > > As for using tachyon discs, I have found that too many tachyon discs
> > > > causes my skin reactions to be worse, but there does seem to be an
> > > > optimal amount one can use. I actually find the products from
> > > > Quantum Products to be better at keeping your skin reactions down.
> > > > Tachyon discs in general seem to increase my skin reddening, while
> > > > Quantum Products in general decrease it.
> > > >
> > > > Marc
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
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> > If it's a UV problem dimming the screen a lot might help.
> > For EMFs, having the screen on maximum brightness might help by getting
> > rid of the dimming transients.
>
> Yes, one would think that dimming an LCD backlight would make matters
> worse for people with ES (due to the added noise from dimming), but in
> my experience, the dimmer the backlight, the easier it is to tolerate!
>
> Marc
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