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Hi Paul,

I don't like the word cure either, tho I have personally seen a lot of healing and know it is doable.  So looking for healing is a good thing; looking for a cure might be unattainable.  You are right, it doesn't take a lot to overturn advances in healing, so it is very important to also use avoidance while using techniques to heal.  This is particularly true in the early stages of healing.


I hope your temporary work doesn't do you in.  I pray it will be easier on you than you think.  I find for myself, that emotional stress has sometimes done me in faster than the actual ES stress, so I have adopted coping mechanisms to try to deal with my emotions: 


I try to never judge an ES situation before hand. 

I intend and hope it goes well and easily for me and try to leave any other thoughts or decisions on what might happen behind. 

I try to keep myself distracted and focused elsewhere.  When I didn't do this, or when I got to a situation and asked myself if ES was bothering me, it always seemed to.  However, I learned I don't notice it as much when I am distracted and don't allow myself to focus on it. 


Now, this is a coping mechanism, it is not designed to be a health strategy; it is still healthier not to be in areas of bad emfs.  You will still get ES stress; what you will not get doing this is emotional stress on top of the ES stress.  ;)  

Another thing you can do is to double up on helpful nutrients which you know emfs deplete.  I also carry some of these nutrients with me and take them thru-out the day.  [For me, personally, calcium and pantethine (B5) are really essential.  Vit C and electrolyte drops (including trace minerals) I also often carry with me.]


I hope this job is a true blessing; good luck, Paul,

Diane 



________________________________
From: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:53 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS


 
when you use the word healing I assume that you are looking to be rid of ES
(DONT LIKE THE WORD CURE), in my experience of of 10-13yrs ES, I have
dropped  the healing bit in turn for sheilding, protection, aspirations for
general  health improvement, not having a job that tops me up all the time and
so on, I  have found that it does not take much to undo all the good work, so
its snakes  and ladders - for example my neighbour has just kitted out his
back yard with  compact flourescent floodlights, twice now I have felt
stinging around my  eyes,cheeks and scalp, on both ocassions I have asked if
anyone in the house has  a mobile on etc but nothing, then going to the back
door I see the lights have  been triggered on, I cant belive that they would
cause such a reaction from 6-7m  away but its looking likely.  I have just
secured a job as a building  surveyor (2 month contract) after 2 yrs unemployed
so its time to fry again ! I  should be jubilant but they do not know my ES
secret, so I will being greeting  my old friend - fatigue and all the other
Es symptoms on mass very soon - lets  hope I can see it through and get
some money in.  One thing is for sure the  issue of stress is integral in ES,
if you are stressed then you will have  cortisol, adrenalin in your system
and this will undoutedly fuel the  metabolic reations making them worse or
rather catylising the effects.

puk


In a message dated 13/10/2011 07:12:36 GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

As far  as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has gone
far beyond  that arena.  In order for things like that to work, I need some
serious  healing therapy.

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Hi Cab,


Sorry to hear how ill you have been.

You write:

<As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has
gone far beyond that arena.  In order for things like that to work, I
need some serious healing therapy.>

Me:
Ideally what you need, Cab, is both.  I would not have gotten to the point I have without serious supplementation.  I would not have gotten here without avoidance.  I would not have gotten here without a great dietary plan, grounding myself often in nature, exercising, and walking in a very secluded, safe natural place as often as I was able.  I would not have gotten healing without addressing liver and lymphatic problems, adrenal problems, immune system problems, pH imbalance, or serious detox (and a lot more). 


You need a whole body plan.  I see many (and I did this too!) who start with detox.  However, detoxing adds stress to the body.  Ideally, you need to:


build up your waste removal system (lymphatics, liver, kidneys, lungs, and skin); 

support your organs: adrenals, thyroid, pancreas, and any others which you know are already weak or struggling; and


strengthen your immune system (thymus, spleen, lymph nodes, t-cells [I am missing one more here which I have temporarily forgotten]) 


pH is important because it determines your cell voltage and health potential.  Without the proper pH you do not even have the potential energy to recover.


address gut (bad flora and invaders) and bbb issues.  Only after most of this is accomplished can you expect to


truly detox  

MEANWHILE, you need to also address lowering the emf load you are living with.  Many ways of doing this are free.  The most important is your bed, which is not free.  Aluminum foil is also not free, but it is cost effective and can help in a number of ways as shielding for many people.  [You will have to experiment with it a lot to find ways it works which you can tolerate.  It is like a mirror; you can keep some frequencies shielded inside it, but it will reflect others.]


A lot of Essers start by getting amalgams out.  This is a great place to start if you are still relatively healthy and have a great amalgam removal dentist.  IMO, don't even think about it if you aren't or don't.  Even if you are healthy you should at least shore up your waste removal system and liver first.  None of this info was available back 5+ years ago.  It is only known by comparing people who have mazed their way to recovery.  Those who are not as ill, will need to do less of these steps.  Those who are very ill, as I was, will likely need to pull out all the stops. 

It is true it takes a huge financial commitment to do all of this at the same time.  [I am looking into a doctor's lyme program which might help shave $thousands off what I spent, but it is too soon to say whether it will ultimately work for everyone with ES--I can at this point only say it might, because it focuses on many of the areas I have mentioned.]  So, in order to save time and money, you need to do your homework well.  Spend time with pen and paper and figure out how you can address as much of this as possible at one time, or incrementally, without breaking the bank.  Doing your homework is very important and can save much time and money and grief.  It is hard to be patient enough to do it this way, but it beats trying and failing dozens of times.  ;)

I don't know your particular needs well enough to say which therapies would be most helpful for you, however, none of us are so far gone that we cannot improve greatly.  It will not come easy or quickly, but healing will come.


Bless you and good luck,
Diane




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And certainly do not look at my 25 points plan.

Suppose it helps?
No. Can't be.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton




  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Evie
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS


  Hi Cab,


  Sorry to hear how ill you have been.

  You write:

  <As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has
  gone far beyond that arena. In order for things like that to work, I
  need some serious healing therapy.>

  Me:
  Ideally what you need, Cab, is both. I would not have gotten to the point I have without serious supplementation. I would not have gotten here without avoidance. I would not have gotten here without a great dietary plan, grounding myself often in nature, exercising, and walking in a very secluded, safe natural place as often as I was able. I would not have gotten healing without addressing liver and lymphatic problems, adrenal problems, immune system problems, pH imbalance, or serious detox (and a lot more).


  You need a whole body plan. I see many (and I did this too!) who start with detox. However, detoxing adds stress to the body. Ideally, you need to:


  build up your waste removal system (lymphatics, liver, kidneys, lungs, and skin);

  support your organs: adrenals, thyroid, pancreas, and any others which you know are already weak or struggling; and


  strengthen your immune system (thymus, spleen, lymph nodes, t-cells [I am missing one more here which I have temporarily forgotten])


  pH is important because it determines your cell voltage and health potential. Without the proper pH you do not even have the potential energy to recover.


  address gut (bad flora and invaders) and bbb issues. Only after most of this is accomplished can you expect to


  truly detox

  MEANWHILE, you need to also address lowering the emf load you are living with. Many ways of doing this are free. The most important is your bed, which is not free. Aluminum foil is also not free, but it is cost effective and can help in a number of ways as shielding for many people. [You will have to experiment with it a lot to find ways it works which you can tolerate. It is like a mirror; you can keep some frequencies shielded inside it, but it will reflect others.]


  A lot of Essers start by getting amalgams out. This is a great place to start if you are still relatively healthy and have a great amalgam removal dentist. IMO, don't even think about it if you aren't or don't. Even if you are healthy you should at least shore up your waste removal system and liver first. None of this info was available back 5+ years ago. It is only known by comparing people who have mazed their way to recovery. Those who are not as ill, will need to do less of these steps. Those who are very ill, as I was, will likely need to pull out all the stops.

  It is true it takes a huge financial commitment to do all of this at the same time. [I am looking into a doctor's lyme program which might help shave $thousands off what I spent, but it is too soon to say whether it will ultimately work for everyone with ES--I can at this point only say it might, because it focuses on many of the areas I have mentioned.] So, in order to save time and money, you need to do your homework well. Spend time with pen and paper and figure out how you can address as much of this as possible at one time, or incrementally, without breaking the bank. Doing your homework is very important and can save much time and money and grief. It is hard to be patient enough to do it this way, but it beats trying and failing dozens of times. ;)

  I don't know your particular needs well enough to say which therapies would be most helpful for you, however, none of us are so far gone that we cannot improve greatly. It will not come easy or quickly, but healing will come.


  Bless you and good luck,
  Diane




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Hi, Charles,

Not true!  I have looked at your 25 points plan and I liked it!  I just didn't think to mention it; much of it is also in "my"  ? 7 ?  to  ? 9 ? points plan.  ;)  Seriously, I looked at what you wrote and it hit most of the main points I would personally do again for healing.  I don't necessarily think one needs to use exactly the same therapies (you use a particular footbath/ I used homeopathy for detox, for instance).  I agree that your program likely works well for most people who are not train wrecks before you get a hold of them.  I still think one cannot accomplish your program in 2 weeks (sorry), as you have claimed, and I think your program might take quite a while for some who are particularly ill.  But overall, Charles, I was very impressed.  I wanted to write and tell you so, but I was very sleepy the night I read it (it is still flagged, along with about 20 other posts, for me to respond to).

I asked about the "gizmo" you are working on a few weeks ago.  You never answered my question.  I was not being snide, I was truly interested.  If you would be more trusting, you might find people would be very accepting of your ideas and work.  

Diane



________________________________
From: charles <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS


 
And certainly do not look at my 25 points plan.

Suppose it helps?
No. Can't be.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: Evie
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS

Hi Cab,

Sorry to hear how ill you have been.

You write:

<As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has
gone far beyond that arena. In order for things like that to work, I
need some serious healing therapy.>

Me:
Ideally what you need, Cab, is both. I would not have gotten to the point I have without serious supplementation. I would not have gotten here without avoidance. I would not have gotten here without a great dietary plan, grounding myself often in nature, exercising, and walking in a very secluded, safe natural place as often as I was able. I would not have gotten healing without addressing liver and lymphatic problems, adrenal problems, immune system problems, pH imbalance, or serious detox (and a lot more).

You need a whole body plan. I see many (and I did this too!) who start with detox. However, detoxing adds stress to the body. Ideally, you need to:

build up your waste removal system (lymphatics, liver, kidneys, lungs, and skin);

support your organs: adrenals, thyroid, pancreas, and any others which you know are already weak or struggling; and

strengthen your immune system (thymus, spleen, lymph nodes, t-cells [I am missing one more here which I have temporarily forgotten])

pH is important because it determines your cell voltage and health potential. Without the proper pH you do not even have the potential energy to recover.

address gut (bad flora and invaders) and bbb issues. Only after most of this is accomplished can you expect to

truly detox

MEANWHILE, you need to also address lowering the emf load you are living with. Many ways of doing this are free. The most important is your bed, which is not free. Aluminum foil is also not free, but it is cost effective and can help in a number of ways as shielding for many people. [You will have to experiment with it a lot to find ways it works which you can tolerate. It is like a mirror; you can keep some frequencies shielded inside it, but it will reflect others.]

A lot of Essers start by getting amalgams out. This is a great place to start if you are still relatively healthy and have a great amalgam removal dentist. IMO, don't even think about it if you aren't or don't. Even if you are healthy you should at least shore up your waste removal system and liver first. None of this info was available back 5+ years ago. It is only known by comparing people who have mazed their way to recovery. Those who are not as ill, will need to do less of these steps. Those who are very ill, as I was, will likely need to pull out all the stops.

It is true it takes a huge financial commitment to do all of this at the same time. [I am looking into a doctor's lyme program which might help shave $thousands off what I spent, but it is too soon to say whether it will ultimately work for everyone with ES--I can at this point only say it might, because it focuses on many of the areas I have mentioned.] So, in order to save time and money, you need to do your homework well. Spend time with pen and paper and figure out how you can address as much of this as possible at one time, or incrementally, without breaking the bank. Doing your homework is very important and can save much time and money and grief. It is hard to be patient enough to do it this way, but it beats trying and failing dozens of times. ;)

I don't know your particular needs well enough to say which therapies would be most helpful for you, however, none of us are so far gone that we cannot improve greatly. It will not come easy or quickly, but healing will come.

Bless you and good luck,
Diane

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Hi, Loni,

I used to have problems with vibrations in my body building up at night.  I also had the skin burning, but that was during the day.  Both responded to B12 for me.  Have you tried B12 at night before bed?  I took a methyl-cobalamin sublingual.  You might require a lot at first.  After a while I could get relief with fairly small amounts.


Diane



________________________________
From: Loni <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS


 
Primarily face but whole body. It builds up when I am sleeping and I just feel like i was plugged in to a socket. I'm going to try grounding myself and see if that might help.
 
I also thought about sleeping on the ground so that you are grounded. I'd have a vinyl/foam thin cot mattress to sleep on. I don't know if that would inhibit the grounding or not.
 
Then I thought about buying the grounding kit from I think Earth Calm? And then just sleeping in the van with the grounding sheet.
 
Loni

--- On Wed, 10/12/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2011, 11:26 AM

 

> Someone in Snowflake AZ at the MCS EHS community there told me that
> antconvultion drugs have helped her with skin burning!

Just curious, do you have "skin burning" (entire body), or just "face
burning"?

I can only recall ever having "face burning", and found several things
to relieve it -- EMF protection devices, antioxidants, essential fatty
acids, skin lotion, clay facial masques, etc.

Marc

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Hi Robert,

The only problem I am having with the idea that Greenbank is good for ES, is the fact that I still get a headache there (and I am no longer bothered in most places with symptoms).  And not surprisingly, since the telescope that is there is a "radio" telescope.  Wouldn't this mean that the telescope itself puts out radio waves or it's dishes gathers them?  I can tell you for sure, the area is not zero frequencies.  It is all about which frequencies *you* can tolerate, whether you will do well there.  But, in fact, each person is different.  So I would not be buying land without making a number of long-term trips to the area to check it out.  (Also, it appeared to me that you would need to drive about an hour away just to get groceries, the area is so remote.) 


My 2 cents,
Diane


________________________________
From: Robert Williams <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 1:57 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] 4G and cures for EHS

Lots of homes for sale and rent - and land too - homes are from 50,000 to 2 million...The radio telescope is a very popular tourist destination and because of it there are lots of scientists that live there during their rental time of the radio telescope - they move their whole family there for many months at a time.

Diane Schou is  EHS and she wants to start up a retreat.  She was just featured in a TV program and the BBC  and many magazines are writing about her  - this place is becoming very popular! - this is your go to person...

Here is the link to the video on the Magda Havas Youtube website.

http://youtu.be/N8SelMsICrE

What this place needs is some publicity via a website. This an epidemiologists dream - a place for controls in studies about cell phones - there have never been a cell phone there - or radio station for that matter.  But they do have great technology - fibre optics, cable TV, satlelight etc.  It's just all wired.  A perfect place to bace a clinic for EHS people - instead of Switzerland's Paracelsus clinic - people could go to a spa in greenbank to recover and get therapy.  When people want to go camping - this place with be paradise.

There are going to be a lot more Steve Jobs executive types figuring out what is going on with them and when they decide to invest their money in this vacation paradise for the rich and famous (burnouts) it's going to become a Sedona - but instead of feeling the vortex - they will only be  Schumann resonance.

Diane Schou (skow)
PO Box 99
Green Bank, WV 24944-0099  U.S.A.
(304) 456-4469
fax: (304) 932-0022
[hidden email]

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Hi Diane,
 
I do take B12 and still have skin burning. Maybe I need to take more.

Loni

--- On Thu, 10/13/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 4:22 PM



 



Hi, Loni,

I used to have problems with vibrations in my body building up at night.  I also had the skin burning, but that was during the day.  Both responded to B12 for me.  Have you tried B12 at night before bed?  I took a methyl-cobalamin sublingual.  You might require a lot at first.  After a while I could get relief with fairly small amounts.

Diane

________________________________
From: Loni <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS

 
Primarily face but whole body. It builds up when I am sleeping and I just feel like i was plugged in to a socket. I'm going to try grounding myself and see if that might help.
 
I also thought about sleeping on the ground so that you are grounded. I'd have a vinyl/foam thin cot mattress to sleep on. I don't know if that would inhibit the grounding or not.
 
Then I thought about buying the grounding kit from I think Earth Calm? And then just sleeping in the van with the grounding sheet.
 
Loni

--- On Wed, 10/12/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2011, 11:26 AM

 

> Someone in Snowflake AZ at the MCS EHS community there told me that
> antconvultion drugs have helped her with skin burning!

Just curious, do you have "skin burning" (entire body), or just "face
burning"?

I can only recall ever having "face burning", and found several things
to relieve it -- EMF protection devices, antioxidants, essential fatty
acids, skin lotion, clay facial masques, etc.

Marc

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We have purchased a Faraday Cage Canopy from lessemf at a cost of around
$900 US and used it for the 23 day sea voyage home to Australia and it was
the saving grace for my wife getting home without the side effects she
suffers from cell phones and wifi etc. which is constriction of the brain
resulting in headaches.

The canopy is supposed to stop cell phone and may be of assiatnce to you -
ring lessemf and talk to them about your symptoms.

Cheers

Graeme


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--- On Thu, 10/13/11, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:

Have you tried B12 at night before bed? I took
a methyl-cobalamin sublingual. You might require a lot at first. After
a while I could get relief with fairly small amounts.



Diane,

In addition to many supplements, I give myself B-Complex with Methylcobalamin shots in the butt about every 2 weeks.  I also take B12 liquid under my tongue on occasion, n between. 

But, B12 is supposed to be an energy booster and I normally never give myself an Vitamin B complex injection or B12 sublingual after 3:00 pm.  If you are taking it before bed, I don't think that is generally advisable, espicially if you have insomnia problems.  It is usually supposed to be taken when you need a boost of energy.

<snip>
http://ods.od.nih.gov/factsheets/vitaminb12/

Energy and endurance
Due to its role in energy
metabolism, vitamin B12 is frequently promoted as an energy enhancer
and an athletic performance and endurance booster.

C. Johnson
Superdrove
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Unvoluntary urine loss can be treated easily with frequency therapy.

Women may experience a bladder which has sunken down, expecially when exposed to mobile phone masts.
Overhere the physicians do send you to the hospital, where they want to remove the womb, in order to replace the bladder.

Eventually, the *Poor man's Rife* can help here also.

On my harddisk I have several such frequency sets.
I am looking for some way of a *cloud*, a free storage on the internet, where I can place them, so everybody can download them.

Bed wetting frequencies:
1550,  880,  802,  787,  727,  465,  120,  112,  7.83,
408,000
And the Schüssler salt number 1.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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Hello Diane,

my gizmo is the ClaeSmog, which I presented 1th October.

Quite  anumber of people ar testing it at the moment, and I am fine-tuning it.
Most electrosensitives di react quite favourably to it, but others, who did nothing for detox do experience Herxheimer reactions.
For them, the ClaeSmog is too strong, because too many toxins are coming free, and the body cannot get rid of them in a right tempo.
All of them report excellent sleeping.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Evie
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:57 AM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS


  Hi, Charles,

  Not true! I have looked at your 25 points plan and I liked it! I just didn't think to mention it; much of it is also in "my" ? 7 ? to ? 9 ? points plan. ;) Seriously, I looked at what you wrote and it hit most of the main points I would personally do again for healing. I don't necessarily think one needs to use exactly the same therapies (you use a particular footbath/ I used homeopathy for detox, for instance). I agree that your program likely works well for most people who are not train wrecks before you get a hold of them. I still think one cannot accomplish your program in 2 weeks (sorry), as you have claimed, and I think your program might take quite a while for some who are particularly ill. But overall, Charles, I was very impressed. I wanted to write and tell you so, but I was very sleepy the night I read it (it is still flagged, along with about 20 other posts, for me to respond to).

  I asked about the "gizmo" you are working on a few weeks ago. You never answered my question. I was not being snide, I was truly interested. If you would be more trusting, you might find people would be very accepting of your ideas and work.

  Diane



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  From: charles <[hidden email]>
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:28 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS



  And certainly do not look at my 25 points plan.

  Suppose it helps?
  No. Can't be.

  Greetings,
  Charles Claessens
  member Verband Baubiologie
  www.milieuziektes.nl
  www.milieuziektes.be
  www.hetbitje.nl
  checked by Norton

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Evie
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:20 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS

  Hi Cab,

  Sorry to hear how ill you have been.

  You write:

  <As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has
  gone far beyond that arena. In order for things like that to work, I
  need some serious healing therapy.>

  Me:
  Ideally what you need, Cab, is both. I would not have gotten to the point I have without serious supplementation. I would not have gotten here without avoidance. I would not have gotten here without a great dietary plan, grounding myself often in nature, exercising, and walking in a very secluded, safe natural place as often as I was able. I would not have gotten healing without addressing liver and lymphatic problems, adrenal problems, immune system problems, pH imbalance, or serious detox (and a lot more).

  You need a whole body plan. I see many (and I did this too!) who start with detox. However, detoxing adds stress to the body. Ideally, you need to:

  build up your waste removal system (lymphatics, liver, kidneys, lungs, and skin);

  support your organs: adrenals, thyroid, pancreas, and any others which you know are already weak or struggling; and

  strengthen your immune system (thymus, spleen, lymph nodes, t-cells [I am missing one more here which I have temporarily forgotten])

  pH is important because it determines your cell voltage and health potential. Without the proper pH you do not even have the potential energy to recover.

  address gut (bad flora and invaders) and bbb issues. Only after most of this is accomplished can you expect to

  truly detox

  MEANWHILE, you need to also address lowering the emf load you are living with. Many ways of doing this are free. The most important is your bed, which is not free. Aluminum foil is also not free, but it is cost effective and can help in a number of ways as shielding for many people. [You will have to experiment with it a lot to find ways it works which you can tolerate. It is like a mirror; you can keep some frequencies shielded inside it, but it will reflect others.]

  A lot of Essers start by getting amalgams out. This is a great place to start if you are still relatively healthy and have a great amalgam removal dentist. IMO, don't even think about it if you aren't or don't. Even if you are healthy you should at least shore up your waste removal system and liver first. None of this info was available back 5+ years ago. It is only known by comparing people who have mazed their way to recovery. Those who are not as ill, will need to do less of these steps. Those who are very ill, as I was, will likely need to pull out all the stops.

  It is true it takes a huge financial commitment to do all of this at the same time. [I am looking into a doctor's lyme program which might help shave $thousands off what I spent, but it is too soon to say whether it will ultimately work for everyone with ES--I can at this point only say it might, because it focuses on many of the areas I have mentioned.] So, in order to save time and money, you need to do your homework well. Spend time with pen and paper and figure out how you can address as much of this as possible at one time, or incrementally, without breaking the bank. Doing your homework is very important and can save much time and money and grief. It is hard to be patient enough to do it this way, but it beats trying and failing dozens of times. ;)

  I don't know your particular needs well enough to say which therapies would be most helpful for you, however, none of us are so far gone that we cannot improve greatly. It will not come easy or quickly, but healing will come.

  Bless you and good luck,
  Diane

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Thanks, Charles,

I was not personally talking about "unvoluntary" urine loss, just very frequent urgency to urinate.  But perhaps this info is a help to others here.  I would have never connected bed wetting or loss of continence as something which could be cured by using Rife frequencies.  Thanks for the info!  This is a rather prudish subject.  lol  We don't often mention urination here, and I have often wondered how many others have the same problem (as I do) with frequent urgency after being around emfs.  I had never suspected that some might have even loss of continence, but since you have mentioned it and I gave it more thought, I realize this is likely the case!  I have read that some frequencies can cause spontaneous diarrhea!  (Not a pleasant thought!)

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Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 3:40 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Urine loss


 
Unvoluntary urine loss can be treated easily with frequency therapy.

Women may experience a bladder which has sunken down, expecially when exposed to mobile phone masts.
Overhere the physicians do send you to the hospital, where they want to remove the womb, in order to replace the bladder.

Eventually, the *Poor man's Rife* can help here also.

On my harddisk I have several such frequency sets.
I am looking for some way of a *cloud*, a free storage on the internet, where I can place them, so everybody can download them.

Bed wetting frequencies:
1550,  880,  802,  787,  727,  465,  120,  112,  7.83,
408,000
And the Schüssler salt number 1.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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> For them, the ClaeSmog is too strong, because too many toxins are
> coming free, and the body cannot get rid of them in a right tempo.

Yes, that's a problem I've experienced with other EMF protection
devices -- you can tell that they are helpful, but then you have
to stop using them because you can't stand the detox side
effects.

What I need to find is the perfect (no side effects) toxin-binding
substance.  I've tried a bunch of things, but not thrilled with
any of them...

Marc

Thanks, Charles,

for the info on your Claesmog protector.  I went and read the info you shared at your site on Oct 1st.  Truly interesting.  What methods are you using for testing all these health parameters?  Rife?  (An impressive list, I have to say; and you can measure them all?!  Very interesting!)  I have read Hulda Clark's work so I know a tiny little bit about the diagnostics of it.)  You mentioned on your site that you were getting a new method to test them.  What also is the new method you are using? 


I would also like to understand
more about what makes your Claesmog vile unique, please: it works by adding
healthful frequencies to the wearer, correct?  Does it work somewhat like wearing a particular stone/ gem necklace, only it is much more finely tuned and accurate (and needs no clearing or
cleaning)?  Did I understand correctly that you mix what is in the Claesmog vial according to the parameters of each persons measurements (height/ weight/ sex)?  Or do you use more health parameters, or is the vial a "one size fits all" approach?  And do you now sell these, and for how much, or are they not yet for sale?  (How can we try one?)  Sorry for all the questions. 


Thanks again, Charles.  I wish you every success with your Claesmog vile,

Diane





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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:58 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS


 
Hello Diane,

my gizmo is the ClaeSmog, which I presented 1th October.

Quite  anumber of people ar testing it at the moment, and I am fine-tuning it.
Most electrosensitives di react quite favourably to it, but others, who did nothing for detox do experience Herxheimer reactions.
For them, the ClaeSmog is too strong, because too many toxins are coming free, and the body cannot get rid of them in a right tempo.
All of them report excellent sleeping.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
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From: Evie
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:57 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS

Hi, Charles,

Not true! I have looked at your 25 points plan and I liked it! I just didn't think to mention it; much of it is also in "my" ? 7 ? to ? 9 ? points plan. ;) Seriously, I looked at what you wrote and it hit most of the main points I would personally do again for healing. I don't necessarily think one needs to use exactly the same therapies (you use a particular footbath/ I used homeopathy for detox, for instance). I agree that your program likely works well for most people who are not train wrecks before you get a hold of them. I still think one cannot accomplish your program in 2 weeks (sorry), as you have claimed, and I think your program might take quite a while for some who are particularly ill. But overall, Charles, I was very impressed. I wanted to write and tell you so, but I was very sleepy the night I read it (it is still flagged, along with about 20 other posts, for me to respond to).

I asked about the "gizmo" you are working on a few weeks ago. You never answered my question. I was not being snide, I was truly interested. If you would be more trusting, you might find people would be very accepting of your ideas and work.

Diane

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Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 5:28 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS

And certainly do not look at my 25 points plan.

Suppose it helps?
No. Can't be.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
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From: Evie
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 11:20 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS

Hi Cab,

Sorry to hear how ill you have been.

You write:

<As far as protective devices and supplements, my physical assault has
gone far beyond that arena. In order for things like that to work, I
need some serious healing therapy.>

Me:
Ideally what you need, Cab, is both. I would not have gotten to the point I have without serious supplementation. I would not have gotten here without avoidance. I would not have gotten here without a great dietary plan, grounding myself often in nature, exercising, and walking in a very secluded, safe natural place as often as I was able. I would not have gotten healing without addressing liver and lymphatic problems, adrenal problems, immune system problems, pH imbalance, or serious detox (and a lot more).

You need a whole body plan. I see many (and I did this too!) who start with detox. However, detoxing adds stress to the body. Ideally, you need to:

build up your waste removal system (lymphatics, liver, kidneys, lungs, and skin);

support your organs: adrenals, thyroid, pancreas, and any others which you know are already weak or struggling; and

strengthen your immune system (thymus, spleen, lymph nodes, t-cells [I am missing one more here which I have temporarily forgotten])

pH is important because it determines your cell voltage and health potential. Without the proper pH you do not even have the potential energy to recover.

address gut (bad flora and invaders) and bbb issues. Only after most of this is accomplished can you expect to

truly detox

MEANWHILE, you need to also address lowering the emf load you are living with. Many ways of doing this are free. The most important is your bed, which is not free. Aluminum foil is also not free, but it is cost effective and can help in a number of ways as shielding for many people. [You will have to experiment with it a lot to find ways it works which you can tolerate. It is like a mirror; you can keep some frequencies shielded inside it, but it will reflect others.]

A lot of Essers start by getting amalgams out. This is a great place to start if you are still relatively healthy and have a great amalgam removal dentist. IMO, don't even think about it if you aren't or don't. Even if you are healthy you should at least shore up your waste removal system and liver first. None of this info was available back 5+ years ago. It is only known by comparing people who have mazed their way to recovery. Those who are not as ill, will need to do less of these steps. Those who are very ill, as I was, will likely need to pull out all the stops.

It is true it takes a huge financial commitment to do all of this at the same time. [I am looking into a doctor's lyme program which might help shave $thousands off what I spent, but it is too soon to say whether it will ultimately work for everyone with ES--I can at this point only say it might, because it focuses on many of the areas I have mentioned.] So, in order to save time and money, you need to do your homework well. Spend time with pen and paper and figure out how you can address as much of this as possible at one time, or incrementally, without breaking the bank. Doing your homework is very important and can save much time and money and grief. It is hard to be patient enough to do it this way, but it beats trying and failing dozens of times. ;)

I don't know your particular needs well enough to say which therapies would be most helpful for you, however, none of us are so far gone that we cannot improve greatly. It will not come easy or quickly, but healing will come.

Bless you and good luck,
Diane

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Hi Cab,

You write:
<But, B12 is supposed to be an energy booster and I normally never give
myself an Vitamin B complex injection or B12 sublingual after 3:00 pm. 
If you are taking it before bed, I don't think that is generally
advisable, espicially if you have insomnia problems.  It is usually
supposed to be taken when you need a boost of energy.>

Me:
I am aware that B12 is an energy booster, however, B12 is good for many problems.  I took B12 during the day for skin burning (a neuropathy symptom) and decided to try it at night just to see what would happen for other neuropathy symptoms.  (I used to also take injections, btw, for ongoing problems with pernicious anemia.) 


It worked great at night (and only taken at night, btw) for calming the vibrations I felt as I lay in bed.  It also gives me a great sleep!  I used to (decades ago) actually take B12 sublinguals to help me sleep for awhile.  That effect soon wore off, however, and I was left wide eyed all night again.  But when I use it for calming vibrations, it does not keep me awake.  When I have a "wired" feeling and can't sleep, it seems to help me calm down, so I can sleep, too.  I am not saying it will work this way for all, but it does for me.  Also, there might be a point where one reaches sleeplessness if they take too much B12 over many nights.  You don't want to just get into the habit of taking B12 at night.  Rather use it only when you are wired or feel "buzzy" or vibrate.  And use only a good quality sublingual.  This is the one I use, but these also come in other potencies:

http://www.solgar.com/SolgarProducts/Methylcobalamin-Vitamin-B12-1000-mcg-Nuggets.htm


I hope this helps others as it has helped me.  It is wonderful finding something which will address such a great need.  Now I don't feel at the mercy of the emfs all night.
Diane



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Have you tried B12 at night before bed? I took
a methyl-cobalamin sublingual. You might require a lot at first. After
a while I could get relief with fairly small amounts.

Diane,

In addition to many supplements, I give myself B-Complex with Methylcobalamin shots in the butt about every 2 weeks.  I also take B12 liquid under my tongue on occasion, n between. 



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Energy and endurance
Due to its role in energy
metabolism, vitamin B12 is frequently promoted as an energy enhancer
and an athletic performance and endurance booster.

C. Johnson
Superdrove
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Hi, Loni,
 
You very well may not be
taking enough B12.  However, there are
also other things to consider.  The
following is a compilation of factors which influence nerve health which I compiled
for my own use some time ago.  This might
help you figure out what would help you with your neuropathy (that is the
likely cause of your burning and my vibrations):
 
High on the list of suspects
are B12, thiamine (B1), B6, and folic acid (deficiencies or excesses [except
for B12; there are no known symptoms for B12 excess]).  Also one needs to balance all of the B
vitamins—they support each other, but too much of one can cause an imbalance
with the others; add a natural full spectrum B 50 or B100 when you take stand
alone supplements of any Bs, including B12.  And there are also the bioflavinoids, etc, which need to be
considered—inositol, biotin, choline, etc, which are in a full spectrum B, and other nutrients such as gamma
linoleic acid, alpha lipoic acid, and acetyl l-carnitine which usually are not but are helpful in various ways.

 
Also, electrolytes are needed
for nerve health—phosphorus, potassium, sodium, magnesium, and calcium AEP; and
these, too, need balanced.  Vitamin C,
zinc, and iron are also needed.  Coconut
oil, due to being high (60%, I believe) in medium chain triglycerides (MCT), is likely
helpful.  Recent research implicates hydrogenated
oils in causing many of the neuro-degenerative diseases.  MCT oil is thought to bring healing in many
of these diseases.  [Use 100% pure virgin
coconut or palm kernel oils only, and also balance your omega 3s (salmon, fish)
and 9s (extra virgin olive oil) with this, as it is high in omega 6.]  Other oils which might be helpful are evening
primrose and black currant oils (also omega 6s).
 
Besides considering these
ideas, there are many reasons why B12 might not be working:
 
You might need a different
type than you are taking—a sublingual instead of an ingestible pill, or an
injection rather than a sublingual.
 
You might have too little
stomach acid to utilize it (another reason a sublingual or injection might be
necessary).
 
You might have too much
unhealthy bacteria in your gut  (ditto
for why to use sublingual or injection).
 
You might have a digestive
disease, such as celiac, crohns, or have had gastrointestinal surgery which
prevents absorption.  (again, sublingual
or injection works better)
 
You might be taking a drug
which interferes with B12 absorption or depletes it, such as prevacid,
prilosec, tagamet, zantac, pepcid, or metformin.
 
You may need more due to
excessive stress in your life, you are a vegetarian, or eat too little protein.
 
But the most common reason
for not being able to absorb B12 is a lack of intrinsic factor.  If you have or have had pernicious anemia,
that can destroy the parietal cells and lead to low stomach acid
(achlorhydria), which causes the inability to produce intrinsic factor.   Age and other digestive diseases also
negatively affect this.  To find out if you have intrinsic factor you can perform a "Niacin Flush":

Take 100 to 200 mg. of niacin (not niacinamide), on an empty stomach. If you experience flushing, then you do not make enough of the intrinsic factor.  If this is the case, it is necessary to make sure you have enough stomach acid.  Intrinsic factor cannot be made without enough stomach acid.  Some will say if this is the case you must use injections, but that is not rarely true, you just need more stomach acid.  Sublinguals in large doses usually can be taken successfully even if you lack intrinsic factor, tho you will also read that this doesn't work on many sites.  But, whatever; do the work to overcome lack of stomach acid and lack of intrinsic factor will go away.  I have had pernicious anemia and I now can make intrinsic factor and use sublinguals.  So the naysayers are not correct that it is a permanent condition.

 
I hope this helps you find a
solution for your skin burning and nerve stress, Loni. 
Good luck,
Diane 


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Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 12:20 AM
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Hi Diane,
 
I do take B12 and still have skin burning. Maybe I need to take more.

Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Thursday, October 13, 2011, 4:22 PM

 

Hi, Loni,

I used to have problems with vibrations in my body building up at night.  I also had the skin burning, but that was during the day.  Both responded to B12 for me.  Have you tried B12 at night before bed?  I took a methyl-cobalamin sublingual.  You might require a lot at first.  After a while I could get relief with fairly small amounts.

Diane

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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Wednesday, October 12, 2011 2:49 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS

 
Primarily face but whole body. It builds up when I am sleeping and I just feel like i was plugged in to a socket. I'm going to try grounding myself and see if that might help.
 
I also thought about sleeping on the ground so that you are grounded. I'd have a vinyl/foam thin cot mattress to sleep on. I don't know if that would inhibit the grounding or not.
 
Then I thought about buying the grounding kit from I think Earth Calm? And then just sleeping in the van with the grounding sheet.
 
Loni

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Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS
To: [hidden email]
Date: Wednesday, October 12, 2011, 11:26 AM

 

> Someone in Snowflake AZ at the MCS EHS community there told me that
> antconvultion drugs have helped her with skin burning!

Just curious, do you have "skin burning" (entire body), or just "face
burning"?

I can only recall ever having "face burning", and found several things
to relieve it -- EMF protection devices, antioxidants, essential fatty
acids, skin lotion, clay facial masques, etc.

Marc

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Have you tried saturated fats, Marc?  I had problems with this also, and I finally found sat fats work for me.  I do suspect, however, that this is likely toxin specific, so this might not work for your mix of toxins.  :(

Diane



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Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:54 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS


 
> For them, the ClaeSmog is too strong, because too many toxins are
> coming free, and the body cannot get rid of them in a right tempo.

Yes, that's a problem I've experienced with other EMF protection
devices -- you can tell that they are helpful, but then you have
to stop using them because you can't stand the detox side
effects.

What I need to find is the perfect (no side effects) toxin-binding
substance.  I've tried a bunch of things, but not thrilled with
any of them...

Marc

 

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> Have you tried saturated fats, Marc? 

Yeah, my health goes downhill with too much
saturated fats... I do try to consume some,
though...

Marc

<my health goes downhill with too much
saturated fats... I do try to consume some,
though...>

Sorry to hear, Marc. 


My body hasn't found a sat fat it doesn't love.  ;)  I remember you saying you don't tolerate coconut oil.  Have you ever tried black currant oil?  My body likes that one, too, but not evening primrose oil.  And they are both omega 6s.  I never could figure that out.  EPoil causes me great stress.  But you would think all omega 6s would act the same.  If I remember correctly, you like EP oil, right?  There must be a message in there somewhere.  ;)  How does EP oil work as a toxin magnet for you?

Diane



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To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 4:34 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cures for EHS


 
> Have you tried saturated fats, Marc? 

Yeah,
Marc

 

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> Have you ever tried black currant oil? 
> My body likes that one, too, but not evening primrose oil. 

I have observed in the past that evening primrose
oil did relieve some ES symptoms, with no negative
side effects.  Never thought of it as a "toxin-absorber"
though (although perhaps that is the mechanism
of action, I don't know).

I tolerate black currant oil just fine, but have never
observed anything beneficial from taking it.

Mostly my bad reactions seem to be from things
like coconut oil, milk, butter, cheese -- things
that I imagine I consume in larger quantities
than a little supplement capsule.

Marc