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charles-2
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Hello Emil

regarding your advise I have a number of but's.

As I recall correctly, he does not live in the USA.
So, a German company is closer to him.

The products I mentioned he finds already too expensive.

Of course a paint is a good solution, but is not so good for
do-it-yourselves.
It needs to be earthed correctly by an electricien, because the paint
itsself is electricity guidant.
That means, if you hit a nail into the wall, and you touch by accident an
conduit line, the whole wall stands under AC current.

The transparent windowpane films are much more expensive than the materials
I suggested.
Of course, there are better materials, but with a special price tag.

Not everybody is willing to pay for that.
Only when it is too late.
*Such is life in the colonies*

Let me point out something.
All those *things* (like Polarizers) are nice, but they only work on
logitudinal waves.
Do not forget to shield against the present transversal waves.

Do one thing but do also the other.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
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RE: Sheilding

Glenn Coleman
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Hi Marc,

>You don't want to drown yourself in white light from the polarizer, but
>rather just use the white light as a shield.

>Is this your own theory, or based on something else that I could read?
>I've never read this on the Polarizer websites. I've noticed when going to
>my nutritionist for muscle testing with these things, she often recommends
>putting them nearby, as opposed to being on my person.

This is based on theories by Dr. Valerie Hunt in her book "Mind Mastery
Meditation" (www.1healthyworld.com). Dr. Hunt is a pioneer in what we know
about bioenergy today from her research at UCLA since the 1950's on our
bodies bioelectric fields. Her theory and physical measurements show that
we have natural bioenergy cycles of energy moving in/out of our bodies that
are part of our vital energy system. So if we block this with too much
white light, it creates problems.

Dr. Hunt has some very powerful meditations in her book for creating the
ultimate healing energy in our body called a scalar wave. I feel my whole
energy system balance out when doing this meditation.

Something we discovered with my pranic healing community, was a real eye
opener, was that wearing a SpringLife polarizer significantly increases the
size of chakras on the body, and their amplitude. This is normally
considered good to have vibrant chakras, but it can also lead to energy
congestion or blockages, which then can cause trouble until these blockages
are cleared.

Some things that promote clearing of energy blockages are salt baths, going
for walks, drinking lots of purified water, or ideally bioenergy treatment
like Shiatsu, Pranic Healing, TFT, etc. It was an eye opener for me to
realize that going for walks was very benefitial to our bioenergy system,
getting energy flowing freely in our bodies - besides the benefit of
exercise. Since discovering this, I immediately go for a relaxing walk when
I get sick at my computer and it is very effective.

So based on Dr. Valerie Hunt's theory, not to surround oneself with too much
white light, and our experience with chakras that could lead to energy
congestion, it seems the SpringLife polarizers are best suited to have
between the EMF source and our body. Then we are protected, and we don't
overdose ourself with white light, so we keep from getting congested.

Dr. Hunt made a presentation at a Radio Talk show which I found very
enlightening. She summarizes theories from 3 other alternative health
experts and her own energy work to cover what she calls the basic building
blocks for health. 1) Lots of water. 2) Sleep. 3) Metabolism.
4) Healthy energy field. She claims that many of todays illnesses can be
overcome by ensuring these four building blocks are very strong. Here is a
link to her talk show with Laura Lee.

http://www.lauralee.com/index.cgi?pid=3424

Cheers,

Glenn

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Re: Sheilding

charles-2
You may have a look at:
http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina62.html

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
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www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Glenn Coleman" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Wednesday, June 30, 2004 19:45
Subject: RE: [eSens] Sheilding


> Hi Marc,
>
> >You don't want to drown yourself in white light from the polarizer, but
> >rather just use the white light as a shield.
>
> >Is this your own theory, or based on something else that I could read?
> >I've never read this on the Polarizer websites. I've noticed when going
to
> >my nutritionist for muscle testing with these things, she often
recommends
> >putting them nearby, as opposed to being on my person.
>
> This is based on theories by Dr. Valerie Hunt in her book "Mind Mastery
> Meditation" (www.1healthyworld.com). Dr. Hunt is a pioneer in what we
know
> about bioenergy today from her research at UCLA since the 1950's on our
> bodies bioelectric fields. Her theory and physical measurements show that
> we have natural bioenergy cycles of energy moving in/out of our bodies
that
> are part of our vital energy system. So if we block this with too much
> white light, it creates problems.
>
> Dr. Hunt has some very powerful meditations in her book for creating the
> ultimate healing energy in our body called a scalar wave. I feel my
whole
> energy system balance out when doing this meditation.
>
> Something we discovered with my pranic healing community, was a real eye
> opener, was that wearing a SpringLife polarizer significantly increases
the
> size of chakras on the body, and their amplitude. This is normally
> considered good to have vibrant chakras, but it can also lead to energy
> congestion or blockages, which then can cause trouble until these
blockages
> are cleared.
>
> Some things that promote clearing of energy blockages are salt baths,
going
> for walks, drinking lots of purified water, or ideally bioenergy treatment
> like Shiatsu, Pranic Healing, TFT, etc. It was an eye opener for me to
> realize that going for walks was very benefitial to our bioenergy system,
> getting energy flowing freely in our bodies - besides the benefit of
> exercise. Since discovering this, I immediately go for a relaxing walk
when
> I get sick at my computer and it is very effective.
>
> So based on Dr. Valerie Hunt's theory, not to surround oneself with too
much

> white light, and our experience with chakras that could lead to energy
> congestion, it seems the SpringLife polarizers are best suited to have
> between the EMF source and our body. Then we are protected, and we don't
> overdose ourself with white light, so we keep from getting congested.
>
> Dr. Hunt made a presentation at a Radio Talk show which I found very
> enlightening. She summarizes theories from 3 other alternative health
> experts and her own energy work to cover what she calls the basic building
> blocks for health. 1) Lots of water. 2) Sleep. 3) Metabolism.
> 4) Healthy energy field. She claims that many of todays illnesses can be
> overcome by ensuring these four building blocks are very strong. Here is
a

> link to her talk show with Laura Lee.
>
> http://www.lauralee.com/index.cgi?pid=3424
>
> Cheers,
>
> Glenn
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
>

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Re: Meter Readings

Emil at Less EMF Inc
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Dear Charles,

Thank you for your feedback.
You are absolutely correct that the whole wall becomes a conductor.

However, the grounding does not need to be done by an electrician. We
recommend that the homeowner install a bare copper wire in a convenient
corner (ay 8 feet long) stapled against the wall prior to painting. The
other end is connected to a known safe ground. A 1 MOhm resistor can be
used. The the wall and wire is painted over. Easy.

Note that if a nail is later put through the wall into a live electric
wire, the wall will still be "live", whether it is grounded or not. Unless
there is enough current to trip the circuit breaker.

We recommend that after the shielding paint is dried, it should be painted
again with ordinary latex paint. A low VOC paint can be used. This
accomplished several things:
1] it seals the shielding paint, so vapors are minimum and scratches to the
paint will be minimized. The shielding paint is not toxic, but it does have
some order when wet. If the homeowner is chemically sensitive, they should
hire a painter for this part.
2] it provides some decree of electrical resistance, in case the wall
should become accidentally electrified
3] it allows the homeowner to adjust the color of the finished wall

Best Regards,

Emil
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charles-2
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Hello Emil,

I fully agree to that.

But I want to warn people not to start such a thing without insight and
preparation.
It is not a matter of just painting away.
It should be done seriously.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
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Re: Sheilding

Niels Geurts
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
Hi Marc,

I purchased a Slimline Polarizer a few weeks ago and find little to no relief while using my LCD monitor. When I bought this monitor it was much better compaired to my old CRT.

Niels


>By the way, I never found an acceptable solution with the Springlife
Polarizers and that new LCD monitor I bought. The Quantum Products were
the only thing that made it tolerable. Since my cats react badly to the
Quantum Products, I've just gone back to using my old CRT.

>As for why the LCD might be worse than a CRT for me, I suppose they might
be generating more EMF noise than a CRT. Or perhaps the mercury content or
the frequencies in the florescent backlight is provoking mercury
mobilization in my head. The symptoms I'm experiencing with the LCD are
the same symptoms I get when taking a lot of chlorella or coral calcium --
a feeling of swelling/pressure in my brain/head area, skin eruptions in my
scalp, difficulty to concentrate. Plus a burning sensation on my skin. I
don't get these symptoms with my CRT at 800x600 resolution plus the
Springlife Polarizers, but 1024x768 resolution does cause me some problems
(although not as bad as this LCD).



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Lachlan Mudge
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Hi Niels

Great to hear feedback on thigns like this. I also find my LCD screen is much
better than the CRT, and hopefully I can soon get around to removing the
fluorescent backlight to se if that gives further comfort. Your lack of
reaction to the springlife polarisers could indicate a number of different
things
1. Your system is further from borderline than Marcs
2. Your LCD produces far lower levels of EM fields than Marc's and your old CRT

3. You and Marc are experiencing different types of electrical sensitivity (or
other as yet unidentified conditions) e.g. one with sensitivity to longitudinal
(Tesla type) EM fields or waves and the other with sensitivity to transverse
fields or waves
4. There are external factors that either of you have not identified, which
contribute (positively or negatively) to your state of health/comfort (e.g.
intermittent use of unseen devices (e.g. a monitor on the other side of the
wall at work or a mobile or portable phone or base station etc. etc.),
5. Probably a dozen other possibilities

It'd be great to profile willing members on this list to see their state of
health (based on some objective measure) and see what does and doesn't work for
them (e.g. different brands of LCD v's different brands of CRT, different
protection devices, different methods of shielding etc.). It appears possible
that once an ES sufferer gets below a certain level of health or immune system
function, either permanent or long term damage might result, which would then
make it harder to recover from any illness, including ES.

Lachlan

-----Original Message-----
From: Niels Geurts [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Thursday, 1 July 2004 7:03 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sheilding

Hi Marc,

I purchased a Slimline Polarizer a few weeks ago and find little to no relief
while using my LCD monitor. When I bought this monitor it was much better
compaired to my old CRT.

Niels


>By the way, I never found an acceptable solution with the Springlife
Polarizers and that new LCD monitor I bought. The Quantum Products were
the only thing that made it tolerable. Since my cats react badly to the
Quantum Products, I've just gone back to using my old CRT.

>As for why the LCD might be worse than a CRT for me, I suppose they might
be generating more EMF noise than a CRT. Or perhaps the mercury content or
the frequencies in the florescent backlight is provoking mercury
mobilization in my head. The symptoms I'm experiencing with the LCD are
the same symptoms I get when taking a lot of chlorella or coral calcium --
a feeling of swelling/pressure in my brain/head area, skin eruptions in my
scalp, difficulty to concentrate. Plus a burning sensation on my skin. I
don't get these symptoms with my CRT at 800x600 resolution plus the
Springlife Polarizers, but 1024x768 resolution does cause me some problems
(although not as bad as this LCD).



[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]





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Marc Martin
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>I purchased a Slimline Polarizer a few weeks ago and find little to no
>relief >while using my LCD monitor. When I bought this monitor it was much
>better >compaired to my old CRT.

This is (unfortunately) consistent with my recent experiences with my new
LCD monitor. The Polarizers didn't help much, while they do a great job in
helping with my CRT monitors. The Quantum Pro however helped a great deal
with the LCD. I assume that you tried the free download of the Quantum
Byte software with the LCD? It's not the most powerful item they make, but
it should be strong enough to see if this sort of energy helps.

If the Quantum Byte helps, you could try a stronger Quantum model and see
what happens. For people with 110 volts/60Hz power, the next stronger
model would be the Quantum power strip. However, for folks with 220
volts/50 Hz, I would have to recommend a competing company which makes
something called an "ElectroClear", which is inexpensive (US$50) and comes
in both 110 and 220 volt versions:

http://quantumqrt.com

I believe this company is a ripoff of the original Quantum Products. I
believe the founder of this second company previously worked for the
original company, learned how their products worked, and then started his
own company using the stolen technology. I have an ElectroClear, and it
seems to have about the same effect as the Quantum Products devices.
However, this second company focuses not on the health aspects of these
devices, but instead on the effect they have on clearing up noise in
expensive audio/video systems.

As for that Slimline Polarizer, do you notice it doing ANYTHING for you in
any other situations? For example, if you put it in your pants pocket,
does it make any difference? Or if you place it on the fuse box of your
house? Or, if you still have your old CRT, have you tried using it with
that?

Marc

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Glenn Coleman
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Hello,

I am curious if one has an older house with lead paint on walls behind
layers of modern paint, if that would act as an EMF barrier?

Glenn
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Polarizer - LCD

Niels Geurts
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Hi Marc,

Yes, I tried the Quantum Byte software. I can't say it helped much, unfortunately.

About the Slimline Polarizer: I noticed that it did something. When I held it in the beginning, I got a bit of a headache. A friend of mine did notice that it has a nice energy. When he held it, he said that it made his energy whirl. (He does energy 'work'.)
As for beneficial effects, I'm not sure. Since some weeks, I use a magnetic Multi Wave Oscillator. When I got the Polarizer, I had to minimize the use of the MWO to avoid negative reactions (sleeplessness, RSI-like symptoms in arms and back). Since I've done this, it seems that the combination of both products relieves my RSI. (I'm convinced RSI is an electrosmog condition.)

Yesterday I put the Slimline Polarizer between me and the computer keyboard and it appeared to bring some relieve. Previous, I wore the Slimline in my pants pocket. So I could stand the monitor better, but I still got the negative effects of it.

I still use the BioProtect Card. Something which Linda Townsend advices not to do. Testing by kinesiology reveiled the card is not harmful to me.

Niels


----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sheilding


>I purchased a Slimline Polarizer a few weeks ago and find little to no
>relief >while using my LCD monitor. When I bought this monitor it was much
>better >compaired to my old CRT.

This is (unfortunately) consistent with my recent experiences with my new
LCD monitor. The Polarizers didn't help much, while they do a great job in
helping with my CRT monitors. The Quantum Pro however helped a great deal
with the LCD. I assume that you tried the free download of the Quantum
Byte software with the LCD? It's not the most powerful item they make, but
it should be strong enough to see if this sort of energy helps.

If the Quantum Byte helps, you could try a stronger Quantum model and see
what happens. For people with 110 volts/60Hz power, the next stronger
model would be the Quantum power strip. However, for folks with 220
volts/50 Hz, I would have to recommend a competing company which makes
something called an "ElectroClear", which is inexpensive (US$50) and comes
in both 110 and 220 volt versions:

http://quantumqrt.com

I believe this company is a ripoff of the original Quantum Products. I
believe the founder of this second company previously worked for the
original company, learned how their products worked, and then started his
own company using the stolen technology. I have an ElectroClear, and it
seems to have about the same effect as the Quantum Products devices.
However, this second company focuses not on the health aspects of these
devices, but instead on the effect they have on clearing up noise in
expensive audio/video systems.

As for that Slimline Polarizer, do you notice it doing ANYTHING for you in
any other situations? For example, if you put it in your pants pocket,
does it make any difference? Or if you place it on the fuse box of your
house? Or, if you still have your old CRT, have you tried using it with
that?

Marc

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Re: Polarizer - LCD

Marc Martin
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>About the Slimline Polarizer: I noticed that it did something. When I held
>it >in the beginning, I got a bit of a headache.

So that tells me that it does provoke detoxification, which means that it
could be of some benefit long-term.

>Yesterday I put the Slimline Polarizer between me and the computer
>keyboard and >it appeared to bring some relieve. Previous, I wore the
>Slimline in my pants >pocket. So I could stand the monitor better, but I
>still got the negative >effects of it.

You might want to also try putting it between the keyboard and the monitor,
or behind the monitor sitting on top of the video and power cables. In
fact, when I first got my Slimline, it seemed like placing it about 5 feet
away from me did the best job. However, like I said, I never found a good
solution with this new LCD. And even with the CRTs, the Polarizers were
only part of the solution -- eating the foods and taking the right
supplements were also necessary to provide the ability to sit in front of a
21" CRT at work for 40 hours/week.

>I still use the BioProtect Card. Something which Linda Townsend advices
>not to >do.

I believe her testing only indicates the healing potential of a given
device, which really has nothing to do with whether or not it will help you
tolerate EMF sources better. Also, you might try testing combinations like
putting the Bioprotect card on the LCD monitor, and then the Slimline
Polarizer between the monitor and the keyboard.

Marc

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Re: Meter Readings

Emil at Less EMF Inc
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HI Glenn,

Lead has the same magnetic permeability as air, so you would not get any
magnetic field shielding. The concentration of lead in paint is not likely
to make it conductive enough to be an effective RF shield either, but I
have never actually tested it.

Emil
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Re: Polarizer - LCD

Niels Geurts
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I've tested several places. Putting the polarizer on the powerkabels or near the monitor didn't seem to do much.

Though it seems I can concentrate a bit better when using the polarizer near me, I still feel bad when I'm finished using the PC, as usual. So I should use it as little as possible. That's hard though.

I will try Primal Defence soon.

Niels

----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Friday, July 02, 2004 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Polarizer - LCD


>About the Slimline Polarizer: I noticed that it did something. When I held
>it >in the beginning, I got a bit of a headache.

So that tells me that it does provoke detoxification, which means that it
could be of some benefit long-term.

>Yesterday I put the Slimline Polarizer between me and the computer
>keyboard and >it appeared to bring some relieve. Previous, I wore the
>Slimline in my pants >pocket. So I could stand the monitor better, but I
>still got the negative >effects of it.

You might want to also try putting it between the keyboard and the monitor,
or behind the monitor sitting on top of the video and power cables. In
fact, when I first got my Slimline, it seemed like placing it about 5 feet
away from me did the best job. However, like I said, I never found a good
solution with this new LCD. And even with the CRTs, the Polarizers were
only part of the solution -- eating the foods and taking the right
supplements were also necessary to provide the ability to sit in front of a
21" CRT at work for 40 hours/week.

>I still use the BioProtect Card. Something which Linda Townsend advices
>not to >do.

I believe her testing only indicates the healing potential of a given
device, which really has nothing to do with whether or not it will help you
tolerate EMF sources better. Also, you might try testing combinations like
putting the Bioprotect card on the LCD monitor, and then the Slimline
Polarizer between the monitor and the keyboard.

Marc

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Marc Martin
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>I will try Primal Defence soon.

Note that when I took my nutritionist's advise on combining the Primal
Defense and the Springlife Polarizers, this didn't work nearly as well for
me as just using the Quantum Pro. It would seem that for me, the issue
with LCD monitors is the RF noise they emit, and the most helpful things
are the coherence wave generators which cancel out the noise. I suspect
that a much cheaper coherence generator like the ElectroClear plug-in or
the Aulterra sticker might also be helpful, although for the time being
I've simply reverted back to using my old CRT.

Marc

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RE: Sheilding

Lachlan Mudge
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I believe this company is a ripoff of the original Quantum Products. I
believe the founder of this second company previously worked for the
original company, learned how their products worked, and then started his
own company using the stolen technology. I have an ElectroClear, and it
seems to have about the same effect as the Quantum Products devices.

This would suggest that the primary effect of the quantum products relates to
cleaning up dirty power, as many other devices claim (stetzer filters etc),
rather than some other complex phenomenon intelligible only to those with a
degree in quantum physics (perhaps this is why they don't go into any detail on
their website - there may indeed be no further details)

As for that Slimline Polarizer, do you notice it doing ANYTHING for you in
any other situations? For example, if you put it in your pants pocket,
does it make any difference? Or if you place it on the fuse box of your
house? Or, if you still have your old CRT, have you tried using it with
that?

I am interested to know whether there are benefits from placing springlife
polarizers near electrical equipment that relate only to their stainless steel
casing. I am not attempting to discredit the effectiveness of their contents.
According to basic magnetic field theory though, placing a metal object between
oneself and a source of magnetic fields (such as any computer monitor) will
reduce the magnetic field to which one is exposed. Such objects do not
actually act as a shield though - simply speaking, a magnetic field 'prefers'
to exist in a material with the highest magnetic permeability and stainless
steel has a much higher magnetic permeability than that of air or a human body.
This effect will not necessarily be long lasting though, as the metal object
could eventually become magnetically saturated, after which time it will
effectively do nothing. In this way, an ES person might notice a reduction in
magnetic field strength by placing a piece of stainless steel near a monitor,
regardless of the contents. This possibility would be fairly easy to test, for
someone with a springlife polariser (replace the polariser with a piece of
stainless steel, which is roughly the same weight and size as the polariser or
better still, have someone else do this without you knowing, observe the
results and in this way conduct a little blind test).

Lachlan

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RE: Polarizer - LCD

Lachlan Mudge
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Based on what I just wrote regarding magnetic fields, I must add that by
placing a metallic object (such as the polariser) in your back pocket whilst
sitting in front of a computer monitor, you will increase the magnetic field
strength experienced by your body and a metallic object placed near a monitor
(front or even back in some cases) will effectively 'attract' the monitors
magnetic field to itself, thus causing you to experience a lower total field
strength.

Lachlan

-----Original Message-----
From: Niels Geurts [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Friday, 2 July 2004 2:15 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: [eSens] Polarizer - LCD

Hi Marc,

Yes, I tried the Quantum Byte software. I can't say it helped much,
unfortunately.

About the Slimline Polarizer: I noticed that it did something. When I held it
in the beginning, I got a bit of a headache. A friend of mine did notice that
it has a nice energy. When he held it, he said that it made his energy whirl.
(He does energy 'work'.)
As for beneficial effects, I'm not sure. Since some weeks, I use a magnetic
Multi Wave Oscillator. When I got the Polarizer, I had to minimize the use of
the MWO to avoid negative reactions (sleeplessness, RSI-like symptoms in arms
and back). Since I've done this, it seems that the combination of both products
relieves my RSI. (I'm convinced RSI is an electrosmog condition.)

Yesterday I put the Slimline Polarizer between me and the computer keyboard and
it appeared to bring some relieve. Previous, I wore the Slimline in my pants
pocket. So I could stand the monitor better, but I still got the negative
effects of it.

I still use the BioProtect Card. Something which Linda Townsend advices not to
do. Testing by kinesiology reveiled the card is not harmful to me.

Niels


----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, July 01, 2004 4:43 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Sheilding


>I purchased a Slimline Polarizer a few weeks ago and find little to no
>relief >while using my LCD monitor. When I bought this monitor it was much
>better >compaired to my old CRT.

This is (unfortunately) consistent with my recent experiences with my new
LCD monitor. The Polarizers didn't help much, while they do a great job in
helping with my CRT monitors. The Quantum Pro however helped a great deal
with the LCD. I assume that you tried the free download of the Quantum
Byte software with the LCD? It's not the most powerful item they make, but
it should be strong enough to see if this sort of energy helps.

If the Quantum Byte helps, you could try a stronger Quantum model and see
what happens. For people with 110 volts/60Hz power, the next stronger
model would be the Quantum power strip. However, for folks with 220
volts/50 Hz, I would have to recommend a competing company which makes
something called an "ElectroClear", which is inexpensive (US$50) and comes
in both 110 and 220 volt versions:

http://quantumqrt.com

I believe this company is a ripoff of the original Quantum Products. I
believe the founder of this second company previously worked for the
original company, learned how their products worked, and then started his
own company using the stolen technology. I have an ElectroClear, and it
seems to have about the same effect as the Quantum Products devices.
However, this second company focuses not on the health aspects of these
devices, but instead on the effect they have on clearing up noise in
expensive audio/video systems.

As for that Slimline Polarizer, do you notice it doing ANYTHING for you in
any other situations? For example, if you put it in your pants pocket,
does it make any difference? Or if you place it on the fuse box of your
house? Or, if you still have your old CRT, have you tried using it with
that?

Marc

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RE: Sheilding

Marc Martin
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>This would suggest that the primary effect of the quantum products relates to
>cleaning up dirty power, as many other devices claim (stetzer filters etc),
>rather than some other complex phenomenon intelligible only to those with a
>degree in quantum physics

I didn't realize this wasn't clear -- the items from Quantum Products are
*supposed* to clear up dirty power! The way they do this is using
principles of Quantum Physics -- they transmit a coherent field, which
interacts with non-coherent fields and "cleans them up". One advantage of
these over standard capacitor shunt filters is that they clean up fields
which are entering your house from the outside, and fields which are being
generated by the electrical devices which have their own transformers.

I once tried some conventional EMF power line filters -- the "Quiet Line"
by AudioPrism (http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/db04.htm). After just a
few minutes, I had a piercing headache -- as if I was using one of those
high-frequency pest repellers that humans supposedly cannot hear. I didn't
get along with these at all!

Marc

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RE: Sheilding

Lachlan Mudge
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OK. Yes I was confused. So we are still no closer to understanding the quantum
physics aspect of

-----Original Message-----
From: Marc Martin [mailto:[hidden email]]
Sent: Monday, 5 July 2004 1:54 PM
To: [hidden email]
Subject: RE: [eSens] Sheilding

>This would suggest that the primary effect of the quantum products relates to
>cleaning up dirty power, as many other devices claim (stetzer filters etc),
>rather than some other complex phenomenon intelligible only to those with a
>degree in quantum physics

I didn't realize this wasn't clear -- the items from Quantum Products are
*supposed* to clear up dirty power! The way they do this is using
principles of Quantum Physics -- they transmit a coherent field, which
interacts with non-coherent fields and "cleans them up". One advantage of
these over standard capacitor shunt filters is that they clean up fields
which are entering your house from the outside, and fields which are being
generated by the electrical devices which have their own transformers.

I once tried some conventional EMF power line filters -- the "Quiet Line"
by AudioPrism (http://www.soundstage.com/revequip/db04.htm). After just a
few minutes, I had a piercing headache -- as if I was using one of those
high-frequency pest repellers that humans supposedly cannot hear. I didn't
get along with these at all!

Marc




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Meter Readings

johndoe
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Re: Meter Readings

charles-4
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you must be more specific.
Which meters do you have?
Which types?

Frequencies below 800 MHz are:
radio and television
TETRA (used by police, firemen and ambulances)
Digital radio
Digital television

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Charles Claessens
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