I'm desperate!

 
In einer eMail vom 16.08.2008 11:17:18 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
[hidden email]:

The Faradayan cage blocks the RF
> radiation
> to 99% or even better, depending on the construction; but this measurable
> radiation is not the cause of the health problems. This contradicts the
> opinion
> of most experts in this field. A very simple experiment can show you this
> truth. You find it described on the homepage _www.golden- ray.com_
> (_http://www.golden-_ (http://www.golden-/) ray.com) in an article about  
"how electrosmog harms
> us"
>
> dietrich gruen

On that website, specifically at this page:
_http://www.golden-http://www.goldhttp://www.http://www.ghttp://ww_ 
(http://www.golden-ray.com/images/stories/bp-measurement-apx1.html) it isstated:

"Take a bigger piece of carton and paint on one side the specially activated
colour that is used in BioProtect. Then put the carton up in vertical
position at about 100 meters distance to a mobile phone transmitting tower. One
will see that one cannot detect any electromagnetic smog directly behind the
carton any more."

also: "If one places a BioProtect Card flat on the floor at about 100 meters
distance to the mobile phone transmitting tower, then one will also find a
protective perimeter around the card"

Does this mean a reduction of electromagnetic smog can be seen when
measuring in a conventional way (with a meter)?

Emil



Hallo Emil,
 
measuring the EMF in an conventional way will show no change if this kind of
devices are applied. But the negative health effects disappear. It is very  
important to understand this clearly. This unexpected phenomenon, that the  
measurable waves continue unchanged while the biological harmful effect  
disappears shows two things. First: The measurable waves are NOT the cause of the
health hazard - concerning non thermal exposure. Second: There must be some
other waves, that are not registered by conventional measuring equipment, but by
biological organisms. Every electrosensitve person does this. It can be done
also in electroakupuncture, which is a more exact way of biological  
measuring.
 
Now if you experiment with these unknown waves, you can find some qualities  
of these waves that are different from the Hertzian waves. These qualities  
have been stated by Nicola Tesla more the 100 years ago. So these waves are  
called Tesla waves or scalar waves. A technology based on these peculiar  
qualities ot the Tesla waves can neutralize their biologcally harmful effect.  
Practically this is not as simple as it sounds first, especially for ES people.
Principally it is possible und widely practized today.
 
dietrich gruen
 
 
 
 



   


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In a message dated 8/17/2008 10:27:53 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

measuring the EMF in an conventional way will show no change if this kind of
devices are applied. But the negative health effects disappear. It is very
important to understand this clearly. This unexpected phenomenon, that the
measurable waves continue unchanged while the biological harmful effect
disappears shows two things. First: The measurable waves are NOT the cause
of the
health hazard - concerning non thermal exposure. Second: There must be some
other waves, that are not registered by conventional measuring equipment,
but by
biological organisms. Every electrosensitve person does this. It can be done
also in electroakupuncture, which is a more exact way of biological
measuring.

Now if you experiment with these unknown waves, you can find some qualities
of these waves that are different from the Hertzian waves. These qualities
have been stated by Nicola Tesla more the 100 years ago. So these waves are
called Tesla waves or scalar waves. A technology based on these peculiar
qualities ot the Tesla waves can neutralize their biologcally harmful
effect.
Practically this is not as simple as it sounds first, especially for ES
people.
Principally it is possible und widely practized today.




So why when I sit close to a banana do these waves not cause me ill effects,
but when I am say 0-500m or some times more from a mobile phone mast, or
close proximity to a Dect phone. mobile phone, wifi router, and other wireless
technologies do these effect me, oh and also basic power frequecies and
telecoms ? Do these devices pull in the scalar/tesla waves, more so than the
banana ?

I am working on an electron scavenging device using new meta materials I
wonder if this will be effected by such waves.

PUK






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They sure do.

But why inventing the wheel again?

We had an Esens member in the UK, Vinny Pinto, who had already constructed
such a device.

I do nor know why you come up with a banana.

Btw. I can measure the bioenergy of a banana!
For my brother-in-law, I once measured the bioenergy of tomatos from the
supermarket, and compared those with the ones he had grown in his garden.
His did contain much more bioenergy.

When I do building biological house surveys, I carry always a small box with
several *things* for people to let them try for a moment.
(Among them the Nabat, Bio Electric Shield, Wikroma pendant, Springlife OM
pendant.)
Most of the times, people feel immediately a relief by the Bioprotyect card.

Over the past 10 years I have done many hundreds of such surveys, and I have
encountered a few special situations which I only could explain with what is
called longitudinal waves. (For instance the direct backside of a satellite
dish.)
from a certain scientist, I have understood, that these longitudinal waves
are in the TeraHertz region.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:11 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate! Faraday Cage??

In a message dated 8/18/2008 7:53:55 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,
[hidden email] writes:

Most of the times, people feel immediately a relief by the Bioprotyect card.

Over the past 10 years I have done many hundreds of such surveys, and I have
encountered a few special situations which I only could explain with what is
called longitudinal waves. (For instance the direct backside of a satellite
dish.)
from a certain scientist, I have understood, that these longitudinal waves


What attracts these waves, why the back of a satellite dish.

PUK






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I remember a few years ago. I just had the energy to order a piece
of swiss shield curtain (just had enough money to do that).

So brain dead that I just put it on the window side, with adhesive
tapes on the ceiling. Yeah, very ghetto, but no energy to do
otherwise.

I know swiss shield are no good either thought cause of the induced
electric field.

Those days i'm a bit better, but not much.

John.


--- In [hidden email], Loni Rosser <loni326@...> wrote:
>
> Hi All, Thank you everyone for responding to my desperation here.
>  
> So my thoughts were to put up a block wall in the back of the house
(like over what is already there depending on cost) & tint all of the
windows. I have to get a price however. I just am weary because there
are so many anntennas & I am so sensitive to the RF.
>  
> The RF can still get in to the house through the sides & the front
of the house. This whole area is just flooded with anntennas. cheaper,
> and if you have it covered with chicken wire and stucco, will
probably
> work just as well. Try to get the wall about a foot taller than you
think
> you need. Unfortunately building codes may limit the height. Metal
> fence may be easier and cheaper. I think regular chain link is not
too
> bad. Slightly smaller holes, and shiny bare metal could improve it.
> Or, just have "hardware cloth" metal fence added to one side.
>
> Note if there is a radio or TV tower, that is longer wavelength and
harder
> to block with a fence because it will come over and diffract down.
In
> that case try painting a room and ceiling with shielding paint
and/or foil.
>
> Try turning off breakers too.
>
> Any low-E (low emissivity) window tint may work. For sure
ScotchTint Amber
> metallic works:
> blocks 99.9 percent even with the lighter 50 percent grade (I think
it's
> discontinued, but
> a dealer may still be able to get some... lessEMF sells it by the
roll I
> think too).
>
> Bill
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
wrote:
>
> > The radiation is scary. I need to build me a fort made of Adobe.
> >
> > Does anyone know what organ/organs are responsible for the elect
> > sensitivities? My gut hurts so I think immune system. But liver
too because
> > my skin burns.
> >
> > Loni
> >
> > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc.
rr.com<amcafeerr%40nc. rr.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com <amcafeerr%40nc.
rr.com>>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>
> > Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:38 PM
> >
> >
> > Loni,
> >
> > That cell tower radiation flows like liquid and will find its way
into
> > the house around one wall of shielding
> >
> > Taking food and supplements that regenerate your cells and their
> > ability to handle the external radiation and poison in your
system are
> > essential and will take time.
> >
> > If you think you can live in the same place with the same people
and
> > keep cool enough to not have another episode, then yes, shielding
is
> > the way to go (in addition to supplements) .
> >
> > I personally don't think you are going to make it. I didn't.
> > I had to get out or I was going to kill someone.
> >
> > If your spouse is not going to support you in this then it is
time to
> > leave without him. Get better then come back and see if you can
handle
> > it in the future.
> >
> > Immediately:
> > Get some VERVAIN, a BACH flower essence and take it when you get
angry
> > and before you are "losing it."
> >
> > Get some liquid raw colostrum to get your immune system and
resistance
> > up. Find a local source at
> > http://www.realmilk .com/where3. html
> >
> > Get a Homeopathic Radiation remedy at Whole Foods or similar. It
can
> > help too, a little.
> >
> > Take frequent breaks and drive to the countryside and use a tent
to
> > sleep in if necessary.
> >
> > There are many other supplements that people on this list can
recommend
> > to help you get through the worst of it, initially.
> > Ask the group for them if needed.
> > EDTA (Detoxamin suppositories) chelation has also helped but
clogged up
> > my liver and kidneys.
> >
> > You can drape some silver mesh over you to get the burn reduced.
> > Something like the SILVER LINING SCARF
> > http://www.lessemf. com/personal. html
> >
> > I wore the cap from LESSEMF.COM for about 2 years. In fact I
bought a
> > second one because I wore out the first one. I used to get very
bad
> > headaches on the top of my head and the cap helped keep them away.
> >
> > These are short term and cheap solutions.
> >
> > You have a serious health condition. Ignore the idiots. Take care
of
> > the immediate and short term. We can talk long term healing later.
> >
> > Andrew
> >
> > On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Loni Rosser wrote:
> >
> > > I haven't tried anything just yet due to the expense. I wanted
to live
> > > elsewhere but not feasible. I'm done with gadgits. I need to
block
> > > this somehow.
> > >
> > > My skin is burning & I have only been here for half hour. It's
bad for
> > > me. there are soooo many cell anntennas on this major road. I
just
> > > don't know if I can make it liveable.
> > >
> > > I know Adobe block shields so I was thinking about building a
wall
> > > maybe. Or even lining the back of the house with it. I don't
know. tried the
> > >> window tint for shielding? Has anyone had any luck with any
type of
> > >> shielding against cell RF.
> > >
> > > Loni, I'm not clear on what things you've tried so far to
combat the
> > > cell tower RF. I know you've received many suggestions, but what
> > > exactly have you tried?
> > >
> > > That's terrible that your husband would have you committed.
Although
> > > if he stays that high-RF environment for long, he may end up
being

Anyone tried NAET for Electrical Sensitivities? 
 
Loni
 

--- On Mon, 8/18/08, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate! Faraday Cage??
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 6:24 AM







In a message dated 8/18/2008 7:53:55 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,
charles@milieuziekt es.be writes:

Most of the times, people feel immediately a relief by the Bioprotyect card.

Over the past 10 years I have done many hundreds of such surveys, and I have
encountered a few special situations which I only could explain with what is
called longitudinal waves. (For instance the direct backside of a satellite
dish.)
from a certain scientist, I have understood, that these longitudinal waves

What attracts these waves, why the back of a satellite dish.

PUK

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> Anyone tried NAET for Electrical Sensitivities?

I believe I received one person's report that either
NAET or NMT (www.nmt.md) helped their ES considerably.
I tried NMT myself (as it's supposed to be better
than NAET), and after a few sessions decided that it
was a complete waste of money.

Marc

> I believe I received one person's report that either
> NAET or NMT (www.nmt.md) helped their ES considerably.

Actually, this report is in our archives -- read for
yourself the report of how NAET improved someone's
ES by "90%":

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/message/754

Marc

I actually have tried NAET for my ES.  I had about 6 sessions with no improvement.  It's a progressive type treatment where they treat you for alldifferent kinds of allergies.  They start with Vit C and Calcium, and Chicken, etc. etc.  We never actually got to the part where I would receivethe treatment for the ES "allergy".  So that could partially be why it didn't work for me.  Mostly, because it was so expensive.  $70 USD a treatment.



----- Original Message ----
From: Loni Rosser <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Thursday, August 21, 2008 6:13:29 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] NAET Treatment for Electrical



Anyone tried NAET for Electrical Sensitivities? 
 
Loni
 

--- On Mon, 8/18/08, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate! Faraday Cage??
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 6:24 AM

In a message dated 8/18/2008 7:53:55 A.M. GMT Daylight Time,
charles@milieuziekt es.be writes:

Most of the times, people feel immediately a relief by the Bioprotyect card.

Over the past 10 years I have done many hundreds of such surveys, and I have
encountered a few special situations which I only could explain with what is
called longitudinal waves. (For instance the direct backside of a satellite
dish.)
from a certain scientist, I have understood, that these longitudinal waves

What attracts these waves, why the back of a satellite dish.

PUK

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For me, NAET was a complete waste of money.  The practitioner told me I had more allergies than anybody she had ever tested.  Her treatments did not improve them.  I kept at it for quite a while.   Josie


     

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In einer eMail vom 18.08.2008 00:11:47 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt  
[hidden email]:

In a message dated 8/17/2008 10:27:53 P.M. GMT Daylight Time,
_Gruendg@aol.Gru_ (mailto:[hidden email]) writes:

measuring the EMF in an conventional way will show no change if this kind of
devices are applied. But the negative health effects disappear. It is very
important to understand this clearly. This unexpected phenomenon, that the
measurable waves continue unchanged while the biological harmful effect
disappears shows two things. First: The measurable waves are NOT the cause
of the
health hazard - concerning non thermal exposure. Second: There must be some
other waves, that are not registered by conventional measuring equipment,
but by
biological organisms. Every electrosensitve person does this. It can be done
also in electroakupuncture, which is a more exact way of biological  
measuring.

Now if you experiment with these unknown waves, you can find some qualities
of these waves that are different from the Hertzian waves. These qualities
have been stated by Nicola Tesla more the 100 years ago. So these waves are
called Tesla waves or scalar waves. A technology based on these peculiar
qualities ot the Tesla waves can neutralize their biologcally harmful
effect.
Practically this is not as simple as it sounds first, especially for ES
people.
Principally it is possible und widely practized today.

So why when I sit close to a banana do these waves not cause me ill effects,
but when I am say 0-500m or some times more from a mobile phone mast, or
close proximity to a Dect phone. mobile phone, wifi router, and other
wireless
technologies do these effect me, oh and also basic power frequecies and
telecoms ? Do these devices pull in the scalar/tesla waves, more so than the
banana ?

I am working on an electron scavenging device using new meta materials I
wonder if this will be effected by such waves.

PUK




Hallo,
 
You are right, to go in resonance with the scalar waves, different things  
have a different capacity. So these devices must have a stronger resonance  
than a normal human body. But if the body of a person has an extra strong  
resonance, these devices will not work; this is the case in ES. I could measure  
this via electroacupuncture. A few other experiments have reassured this law of
resonance again and again. It contradicts to the behaviour we learned in  
physics about radio waves, which are transversal waves or Hertzian waves. The  
longitudinal or Tesla waves behave different. They also pass the shielding of a  
Faraday cage, they are absorbed by 2,5 cm of water, they pass along wires -
that is how we get the electrosmog our neighbours produce into our house. They
are altered by crystals to the degree that they are no more harmful.
 
It is worth while studying them, because this way you may find the solution  
to the electrosmog problem.
 
dietrich
 
 
 



   


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Hi All,
 
Still trying to figure out a way to be with my kids. Still homeless due to the cell anntennas & the electrical in my house.
 
I am thinking about building a small guest room in the back of my house made out of block. Anyone know if block will block (ha) the RF?  I wouldneed a couple of windows & probably tint them with protective shield.
 
Loni 


     

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Use aluminum frame windows. If you stucco over the blocks, especially with
fine chicken wire or lath, there will be a good reduction. However,
sometimes
the reduction you need is really a lot, and if there are ELF magnetic fields
it may not work. There's also the possibility of leakage through the roof.

Bill

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Loni Rosser <[hidden email]> wrote:


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No aluminium windows!

They work like antennas and pick up a lot of radio waves.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bruno" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 3:57 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Building & Safe Roo

I'm not that worried about antenna if there is no amplifier.
If you are close to it then perhaps because it converts the
electric component into magnetic, it will couple to human
flesh better.

On the other hand, it is true that for the best shielding one should
have continual conductivity...which is not necessarily going to
happen with aluminum window frames.

Bill

On Sun, Sep 7, 2008 at 8:49 AM, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:


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That is a wrong idea.

Many larger metal sufaces work like a secondary antenna.
They pick up radiation and transmit it further.

Even TVs can do that, and also when they are off.
With off, I mean really off power, not standby.

Elektrosmog is lurking from many unexpected corners, with many different
frequencies.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bill Bruno" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Building & Safe Roo

Hi, Loni,
 
Sorry to hear you are still having to live in your car at the park.  I hope the block building will work for you.
 
If you do build a block building, you might be able to put windows on the side of the building that faces your family's home, using your larger house to block frequencies (that is, if your larger home is not generating or reflecting bad frequencies of it's own.)  Just a thought.  Since I am so far behind in my mail, others may have already suggested this or better ideas. 
 
I have been advised, also, that Hardie plank is one of the best absorption materials for frequencies.  Don't know how this compares with cement block, price wise and also blocking wise.  Just mentioning this in case someone else knows and will respond.  But also mentioning to remind you that you can use more than one material for blocking--layering various products.  Blocking fabric might possibly be able to be put inside wall studding.  (Emil, am I correct in this?)  Also HR++ windows are highly blocking (but pricey) and if anyone knows how these compare with window film, blocking wise, it would be good to know.  I think also, that adding window filmto HR++ windows, and metal screens to these could only help block more. (If I am wrong in any of these ideas, Anybody, chime in.) 
 
Just a couple of thoughts which you might consider.  Hope you will soon have a safe place to stay with your family, Loni.
Diane

--- On Sun, 9/7/08, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Building & Safe Roo
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, September 7, 2008, 9:57 AM






Use aluminum frame windows. If you stucco over the blocks, especially with
fine chicken wire or lath, there will be a good reduction. However,
sometimes
the reduction you need is really a lot, and if there are ELF magnetic fields
it may not work. There's also the possibility of leakage through the roof.

Bill

On Sat, Sep 6, 2008 at 12:20 PM, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:

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>Anyone know if block will block (ha) the RF? I would need a
couple of windows & probably tint them with protective shield.
Loni

Loni,

There is a NIST publication called:
Electromagnetic Signal Attenuation in Construction Materials
NIST Construction Automation Program
Report No. 3

In this publication, they discuss the shielding effectiveness of many common
building materials. The materials investigated included brick, masonry
block, eight different concrete mixes, glass, plywood, lumber
(spruce-pine-fir), drywall, reinforced concrete, steel reinforcing bar
grids, variations of the plywood and lumber tests in which the specimens
were soaked with water, and composite specimens involving brick-faced
masonry block and brick-faced concrete. For each material, varying thickness
specimens were fabricated in order to measure attenuation as a function of
penetration distance.

See http://www.lessemf.com/book8.html

Emil

There is also a publication booklet by Peter Pauli and Dietrich Moldan,
where quite a number of buidling materials as well as shielding materials
are studied about their shielding properties.
*Reduzierung hochfrequenter Strahlung*.

A Sample can be downloaded from:
http://www.drmoldan.de/html/publikationen1.htm

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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----- Original Message -----
From: "lessemf.com" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Monday, September 08, 2008 4:58 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Building & Safe Room

Thank you Emil, that is great info!!!!  Loni

--- On Mon, 9/8/08, lessemf.com <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: lessemf.com <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Building & Safe Room
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, September 8, 2008, 7:58 AM






>Anyone know if block will block (ha) the RF? I would need a
couple of windows & probably tint them with protective shield.
Loni

Loni,

There is a NIST publication called:
Electromagnetic Signal Attenuation in Construction Materials
NIST Construction Automation Program
Report No. 3

In this publication, they discuss the shielding effectiveness of many common
building materials. The materials investigated included brick, masonry
block, eight different concrete mixes, glass, plywood, lumber
(spruce-pine- fir), drywall, reinforced concrete, steel reinforcing bar
grids, variations of the plywood and lumber tests in which the specimens
were soaked with water, and composite specimens involving brick-faced
masonry block and brick-faced concrete. For each material, varying thickness
specimens were fabricated in order to measure attenuation as a function of
penetration distance.

See http://www.lessemf. com/book8. html

Emil

 














     

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