I'm desperate!

> >I am concerned about the plastic laminate on this. I may have a
> reaction to
> >that. Does this material smell? Any testimonials on useage of this
> product?
> >Thanks so much. Loni
>
> I do not notice any smell.
>
> Emil
>
>
>

> >I am concerned about the plastic laminate on this. I may have a
> reaction to
> >that. Does this material smell? Any testimonials on useage of this
> product?
> >Thanks so much. Loni
>
> I do not notice any smell.
>
> Emil
>
>
>

>
> In einer eMail vom 14.08.2008 01:00:04 Westeuropäische Normalzeit
> schreibt
> [hidden email]:
>
> Would a faraday cage help? I suffer cell phone radiation too. I just
> bought my home and took out a mortgage only to find out there's high
> radiation
> here. I am thinking about buying a faraday cage but I don't want to
> fork over
> $1000 to have it not work.
>
> Does anyone else have experiences with faraday cages? Do they really
> block
> out RF radiation?
>
>
>
>
>
> Hallo,
>
> yes Faradayan cage helps somewhat. The Tesla waves though, responsible
> for
> the health effect pass through this faradayan cage, but they are
> changed and
> biologically more acceptable then. This creates the illusion, that a
> perfect
> shielding would solve the problem. The Faradayan cage blocks the RF
> radiation
> to 99% or even better, depending on the construction; but this
> measurable
> radiation is not the cause of the health problems. This contradicts
> the opinion
> of most experts in this field. A very simple experiment can show you
> this
> truth. You find it described on the homepage _www.golden-ray.com_
> (http://www.golden-ray.com) in an article about "how electrosmog
> harms us"
>
> dietrich gruen
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
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> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>

>
> --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 2:04 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The radiation is scary. I need to build me a fort made of Adobe.
>
> Won't having a fort made of Adobe get you committed again?
>
> By the way, when one is committed for ES, what is the
> correct thing to tell the doctors? Do you tell them
> the truth about what's causing the problem, or do you
> make something up? It seems to me that if you want
> to get out of there, you should NOT tell the truth.
>
> > Does anyone know what organ/organs are responsible
> > for the elect sensitivities?
>
> I've had gut (stomach) problems after a detox mishap
> with an ionic foot problems. But usually I think
> you should focus on liver, thyroid, adrenal, and
> nervous system.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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>

>
> Hi Sean,
> where do you buy F Tissue salts?
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: seandaly33 <seandaly33@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Thursday, August 14, 2008 12:49:54 PM
> Subject: [eSens] Re: I'm desperate!
>
>
> sorry to hear about your situation Loni,
>
> like the others have said, reduced exposure is the number one
> priority, with an attempt to rebuild up the immune system also
> needed.
> as regards the latter, i have been trying various supplements over
> the last few months and have found some better than others. you
> should probably try and find a good naturopath/herbalis t and see if
> they can advise on herbs specific for your body. i started trying out
> herbs at the start of the summer; i didn't have the money to go and
> see a naturopath, so i did some of my own research, which probably
> wasn't the ideal scenario, as it can be pretty hit and miss as others
> have stated. like people have advised on this list before, i have cut
> out processed food. i also began doing food combining/the Hay diet.
> this is where protein foods are kept apart from starch foods at
> meals, so it mostly meant keeping meat and grains separate (the Hay
> Diet can be easily googled).
>
> over the last month i have found my situation improving somewhat,
> though still along way from being healed. whether that is down to the
> eating of natural food, the food combining, or my current
> herbal/supplement intake i do not know. my gut also gets agitated
> when exposed to emfs at times, but even that has eased abit. i will
> list the supplements i now take and the specific areas of the body
> they target (at least what i came across stated in research), but
> like others have said, everyones system is different, and there can
> be risks in taking some herbal supplements (selenium, which i started
> taking, can be toxic in large doses). : B vitamin complex;
> Combination F tissue salts (helps nervous system); selenium (good
> antioxidant) ; milk thistle tincture (helps liver detox); Ashwaganda &
> Rhodiola Rosea (helps adrenal glands). i also take green tea, which
> is meant to be a good antioxidant.
> the rebuilding of the bodys system can take along time Loni, but
> eating natural, organic foods, as well as supporting the digestive
> systema and immune system can only help.
>
> hope your situation improves soon,
>
> sean
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, Loni Rosser <loni326@ > wrote:
> >
> > Probably would!
> >  
> > I told them the truth & they seemed to beleive me until they talked
> to my husband who told them how crazy I am. Then I was doomed. Loni
> >
> > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Marc Martin <marc@> wrote:
> >
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 2:04 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > The radiation is scary. I need to build me a fort made of Adobe.
> >
> > Won't having a fort made of Adobe get you committed again?
> >
> > By the way, when one is committed for ES, what is the
> > correct thing to tell the doctors? Do you tell them
> > the truth about what's causing the problem, or do you
> > make something up? It seems to me that if you want
> > to get out of there, you should NOT tell the truth.
> >
> > > Does anyone know what organ/organs are responsible
> > > for the elect sensitivities?
> >
> > I've had gut (stomach) problems after a detox mishap
> > with an ionic foot problems. But usually I think
> > you should focus on liver, thyroid, adrenal, and
> > nervous system.
> >
> > Marc
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
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>  
>
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>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> The radiation is scary. I need to build me a fort made of Adobe.
>
> Does anyone know what organ/organs are responsible for the elect
> sensitivities? My gut hurts so I think immune system. But liver too because
> my skin burns.
>
> Loni
>
> --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com<amcafeerr% 40nc.rr.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com <amcafeerr%40nc. rr.com>>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:38 PM
>
>
> Loni,
>
> That cell tower radiation flows like liquid and will find its way into
> the house around one wall of shielding
>
> Taking food and supplements that regenerate your cells and their
> ability to handle the external radiation and poison in your system are
> essential and will take time.
>
> If you think you can live in the same place with the same people and
> keep cool enough to not have another episode, then yes, shielding is
> the way to go (in addition to supplements) .
>
> I personally don't think you are going to make it. I didn't.
> I had to get out or I was going to kill someone.
>
> If your spouse is not going to support you in this then it is time to
> leave without him. Get better then come back and see if you can handle
> it in the future.
>
> Immediately:
> Get some VERVAIN, a BACH flower essence and take it when you get angry
> and before you are "losing it."
>
> Get some liquid raw colostrum to get your immune system and resistance
> up. Find a local source at
> http://www.realmilk .com/where3. html
>
> Get a Homeopathic Radiation remedy at Whole Foods or similar. It can
> help too, a little.
>
> Take frequent breaks and drive to the countryside and use a tent to
> sleep in if necessary.
>
> There are many other supplements that people on this list can recommend
> to help you get through the worst of it, initially.
> Ask the group for them if needed.
> EDTA (Detoxamin suppositories) chelation has also helped but clogged up
> my liver and kidneys.
>
> You can drape some silver mesh over you to get the burn reduced.
> Something like the SILVER LINING SCARF
> http://www.lessemf. com/personal. html
>
> I wore the cap from LESSEMF.COM for about 2 years. In fact I bought a
> second one because I wore out the first one. I used to get very bad
> headaches on the top of my head and the cap helped keep them away.
>
> These are short term and cheap solutions.
>
> You have a serious health condition. Ignore the idiots. Take care of
> the immediate and short term. We can talk long term healing later.
>
> Andrew
>
> On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Loni Rosser wrote:
>
> > I haven't tried anything just yet due to the expense. I wanted to live
> > elsewhere but not feasible. I'm done with gadgits. I need to block
> > this somehow.
> >
> > My skin is burning & I have only been here for half hour. It's bad for
> > me. there are soooo many cell anntennas on this major road. I just
> > don't know if I can make it liveable.
> >
> > I know Adobe block shields so I was thinking about building a wall
> > maybe. Or even lining the back of the house with it. I don't know.
> > Loni
> >
> > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:06 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> I can't live in this house. I need to find a way. Has anyone tried the
> >> window tint for shielding? Has anyone had any luck with any type of
> >> shielding against cell RF.
> >
> > Loni, I'm not clear on what things you've tried so far to combat the
> > cell tower RF. I know you've received many suggestions, but what
> > exactly have you tried?
> >
> > That's terrible that your husband would have you committed. Although
> > if he stays that high-RF environment for long, he may end up being
> > electrically sensitive himself!
> >
> > Marc
> >
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> >I am concerned about the plastic laminate on this. I may have a
> reaction to
> >that. Does this material smell? Any testimonials on useage of this
> product?
> >Thanks so much. Loni
>
> I do not notice any smell.
>
> Emil
>
>
>

> Hi, Loni,
>  
> The adobe wall will help--it will act as trees do to shield.  And the
> window film will help.  However, there are places that we should not
> live, period.  It sounds like you might be in one of those places.  I
> don't believe in being negative and I am not negatively saying this. 
> But there comes a time at which one must face fact.  If there are more
> than 3 to 5 towers and they are less than a half mile away or so away,
> you would have to take extreme measures (translation: lots of money)
> to remedy this situation.  Especially if the towers are in multiple
> directions.  Do you live in this type situation?  In a case like this,
> you are far better to cut losses and move.  Even then, you will need
> to spend money on supplements and health needs to recover. 
>  
> However, there are still things you can do to find out more of what is
> going on.  And in the process of doing this, your husband might come
> to understand.  There is a school in Florida called the "Building
> Bau-Biologie Institute".  They train people in electro-magnetic
> investigation and remediation.  I have been in contact with one of
> these people in my local area.  There are 3 listed for the state of
> Arizona.  Here is the website for them:
>  
> http://www.buildingbiology.net/arizona.html
>  
> For the rest of you reading this, there is also an online course you
> can take right now on EMFs thru this school.  And under the tools
> section, there are meters available for sale, as well as a gadget you
> put onto your wiring to turn off the electric current to your bedroom,
> etc, automatically at night.  I have not gotten mine installed yet, so
> cannot say yet how this works.  Good luck.  Here are those sites: 
>  
> http://www.buildingbiology.net/meters.html
>  
> http://www.buildingbiology.net/elpo.html
>  
> I understand your problem, Loni.  You are acting hyper because you are
> in such pain and it affects your thinking.  But you need to focus on
> calming yourself and work to focus your energy on a solution.  You are
> coming across as very negative and overly melodramatic.  People will
> respond to this by thinking you are an emotional wreck and a mental
> case.  Do not allow yourself to feel sorry for yourself.  This robs
> you of energy and focus you need in other areas.  Again, this is not
> meant as a criticism--I do understand what you are going thru--but it
> is aimed at being a help.  When one has been accused of something, one
> overcomes that stigma by being the opposite.  If you are accused of
> being out of control and losing it, work to regain self control and
> make sure you keep yourself focused in that area. 
>  
> Bless you, dear,
> Diane 
> --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Loni Rosser <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From: Loni Rosser <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 3:10 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi All, Thank you everyone for responding to my desperation here.
>  
> So my thoughts were to put up a block wall in the back of the house
> (like over what is already there depending on cost) & tint all of the
> windows. I have to get a price however. I just am weary because there
> are so many anntennas & I am so sensitive to the RF.
>  
> The RF can still get in to the house through the sides & the front of
> the house. This whole area is just flooded with anntennas.
>  
> Loni
>
> --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> wrote:
>
> From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 10:08 PM
>
> Adobe will absorb microwaves.. . so will brick, cinder block...
> Adobe is pretty labor intense. Cinder block is probably a lot cheaper,
> and if you have it covered with chicken wire and stucco, will probably
> work just as well. Try to get the wall about a foot taller than you
> think
> you need. Unfortunately building codes may limit the height. Metal
> fence may be easier and cheaper. I think regular chain link is not too
> bad. Slightly smaller holes, and shiny bare metal could improve it.
> Or, just have "hardware cloth" metal fence added to one side.
>
> Note if there is a radio or TV tower, that is longer wavelength and
> harder
> to block with a fence because it will come over and diffract down. In
> that case try painting a room and ceiling with shielding paint and/or
> foil.
>
> Try turning off breakers too.
>
> Any low-E (low emissivity) window tint may work. For sure ScotchTint
> Amber
> metallic works:
> blocks 99.9 percent even with the lighter 50 percent grade (I think
> it's
> discontinued, but
> a dealer may still be able to get some... lessEMF sells it by the roll
> I
> think too).
>
> Bill
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
>> The radiation is scary. I need to build me a fort made of Adobe.
>>
>> Does anyone know what organ/organs are responsible for the elect
>> sensitivities? My gut hurts so I think immune system. But liver too
>> because
>> my skin burns.
>>
>> Loni
>>
>> --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com<amcafeerr%
>> 40nc. rr.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com <amcafeerr%40nc. rr.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:38 PM
>>
>>
>> Loni,
>>
>> That cell tower radiation flows like liquid and will find its way into
>> the house around one wall of shielding
>>
>> Taking food and supplements that regenerate your cells and their
>> ability to handle the external radiation and poison in your system are
>> essential and will take time.
>>
>> If you think you can live in the same place with the same people and
>> keep cool enough to not have another episode, then yes, shielding is
>> the way to go (in addition to supplements) .
>>
>> I personally don't think you are going to make it. I didn't.
>> I had to get out or I was going to kill someone.
>>
>> If your spouse is not going to support you in this then it is time to
>> leave without him. Get better then come back and see if you can handle
>> it in the future.
>>
>> Immediately:
>> Get some VERVAIN, a BACH flower essence and take it when you get angry
>> and before you are "losing it."
>>
>> Get some liquid raw colostrum to get your immune system and resistance
>> up. Find a local source at
>> http://www.realmilk .com/where3. html
>>
>> Get a Homeopathic Radiation remedy at Whole Foods or similar. It can
>> help too, a little.
>>
>> Take frequent breaks and drive to the countryside and use a tent to
>> sleep in if necessary.
>>
>> There are many other supplements that people on this list can
>> recommend
>> to help you get through the worst of it, initially.
>> Ask the group for them if needed.
>> EDTA (Detoxamin suppositories) chelation has also helped but clogged
>> up
>> my liver and kidneys.
>>
>> You can drape some silver mesh over you to get the burn reduced.
>> Something like the SILVER LINING SCARF
>> http://www.lessemf. com/personal. html
>>
>> I wore the cap from LESSEMF.COM for about 2 years. In fact I bought a
>> second one because I wore out the first one. I used to get very bad
>> headaches on the top of my head and the cap helped keep them away.
>>
>> These are short term and cheap solutions.
>>
>> You have a serious health condition. Ignore the idiots. Take care of
>> the immediate and short term. We can talk long term healing later.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Loni Rosser wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't tried anything just yet due to the expense. I wanted to
>>> live
>>> elsewhere but not feasible. I'm done with gadgits. I need to block
>>> this somehow.
>>>
>>> My skin is burning & I have only been here for half hour. It's bad
>>> for
>>> me. there are soooo many cell anntennas on this major road. I just
>>> don't know if I can make it liveable.
>>>
>>> I know Adobe block shields so I was thinking about building a wall
>>> maybe. Or even lining the back of the house with it. I don't know.
>>> Loni
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
>>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>>> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:06 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I can't live in this house. I need to find a way. Has anyone tried
>>>> the
>>>> window tint for shielding? Has anyone had any luck with any type of
>>>> shielding against cell RF.
>>>
>>> Loni, I'm not clear on what things you've tried so far to combat the
>>> cell tower RF. I know you've received many suggestions, but what
>>> exactly have you tried?
>>>
>>> That's terrible that your husband would have you committed. Although
>>> if he stays that high-RF environment for long, he may end up being
>>> electrically sensitive himself!
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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> I didn't see where this info about the other waves is. Loni
>
> --- On Fri, 8/15/08, [hidden email] <Gruendg%40aol.com> <[hidden email]<Gruendg%40aol.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: [hidden email] <Gruendg%40aol.com> <[hidden email]<Gruendg%40aol.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate! Faraday Cage??
> To: [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>
> Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 4:58 AM
>
> In einer eMail vom 14.08.2008 01:00:04 Westeuropäische Normalzeit schreibt
> nnc200@yahoo. com:
>
> Would a faraday cage help? I suffer cell phone radiation too. I just
> bought my home and took out a mortgage only to find out there's high
> radiation
> here. I am thinking about buying a faraday cage but I don't want to fork
> over
> $1000 to have it not work.
>
> Does anyone else have experiences with faraday cages? Do they really block
> out RF radiation?
>
> Hallo,
>
> yes Faradayan cage helps somewhat. The Tesla waves though, responsible for
> the health effect pass through this faradayan cage, but they are changed
> and
> biologically more acceptable then. This creates the illusion, that a
> perfect
> shielding would solve the problem. The Faradayan cage blocks the RF
> radiation
> to 99% or even better, depending on the construction; but this measurable
> radiation is not the cause of the health problems. This contradicts the
> opinion
> of most experts in this field. A very simple experiment can show you this
> truth. You find it described on the homepage _www.golden- ray.com_
> (http://www.golden- ray.com) in an article about "how electrosmog harms
> us"
>
> dietrich gruen
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>  
>

> The radiation is scary. I need to build me a fort made of Adobe.
>
> Does anyone know what organ/organs are responsible for the elect
> sensitivities? My gut hurts so I think immune system. But liver too because
> my skin burns.
>
> Loni
>
> --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com<amcafeerr% 40nc.rr.com>>
> wrote:
>
> From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com <amcafeerr%40nc. rr.com>>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>
> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:38 PM
>
>
> Loni,
>
> That cell tower radiation flows like liquid and will find its way into
> the house around one wall of shielding
>
> Taking food and supplements that regenerate your cells and their
> ability to handle the external radiation and poison in your system are
> essential and will take time.
>
> If you think you can live in the same place with the same people and
> keep cool enough to not have another episode, then yes, shielding is
> the way to go (in addition to supplements) .
>
> I personally don't think you are going to make it. I didn't.
> I had to get out or I was going to kill someone.
>
> If your spouse is not going to support you in this then it is time to
> leave without him. Get better then come back and see if you can handle
> it in the future.
>
> Immediately:
> Get some VERVAIN, a BACH flower essence and take it when you get angry
> and before you are "losing it."
>
> Get some liquid raw colostrum to get your immune system and resistance
> up. Find a local source at
> http://www.realmilk .com/where3. html
>
> Get a Homeopathic Radiation remedy at Whole Foods or similar. It can
> help too, a little.
>
> Take frequent breaks and drive to the countryside and use a tent to
> sleep in if necessary.
>
> There are many other supplements that people on this list can recommend
> to help you get through the worst of it, initially.
> Ask the group for them if needed.
> EDTA (Detoxamin suppositories) chelation has also helped but clogged up
> my liver and kidneys.
>
> You can drape some silver mesh over you to get the burn reduced.
> Something like the SILVER LINING SCARF
> http://www.lessemf. com/personal. html
>
> I wore the cap from LESSEMF.COM for about 2 years. In fact I bought a
> second one because I wore out the first one. I used to get very bad
> headaches on the top of my head and the cap helped keep them away.
>
> These are short term and cheap solutions.
>
> You have a serious health condition. Ignore the idiots. Take care of
> the immediate and short term. We can talk long term healing later.
>
> Andrew
>
> On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Loni Rosser wrote:
>
> > I haven't tried anything just yet due to the expense. I wanted to live
> > elsewhere but not feasible. I'm done with gadgits. I need to block
> > this somehow.
> >
> > My skin is burning & I have only been here for half hour. It's bad for
> > me. there are soooo many cell anntennas on this major road. I just
> > don't know if I can make it liveable.
> >
> > I know Adobe block shields so I was thinking about building a wall
> > maybe. Or even lining the back of the house with it. I don't know.
> > Loni
> >
> > --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:
> >
> > From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
> > To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> > Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:06 PM
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> I can't live in this house. I need to find a way. Has anyone tried the
> >> window tint for shielding? Has anyone had any luck with any type of
> >> shielding against cell RF.
> >
> > Loni, I'm not clear on what things you've tried so far to combat the
> > cell tower RF. I know you've received many suggestions, but what
> > exactly have you tried?
> >
> > That's terrible that your husband would have you committed. Although
> > if he stays that high-RF environment for long, he may end up being
> > electrically sensitive himself!
> >
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> >I am concerned about the plastic laminate on this. I may have a
> reaction to
> >that. Does this material smell? Any testimonials on useage of this
> product?
> >Thanks so much. Loni
>
> I do not notice any smell.
>
> Emil
>
>
>

> Hi, Loni,
>  
> The adobe wall will help--it will act as trees do to shield.  And the
> window film will help.  However, there are places that we should not
> live, period.  It sounds like you might be in one of those places.  I
> don't believe in being negative and I am not negatively saying this. 
> But there comes a time at which one must face fact.  If there are more
> than 3 to 5 towers and they are less than a half mile away or so away,
> you would have to take extreme measures (translation: lots of money)
> to remedy this situation.  Especially if the towers are in multiple
> directions.  Do you live in this type situation?  In a case like this,
> you are far better to cut losses and move.  Even then, you will need
> to spend money on supplements and health needs to recover. 
>  
> However, there are still things you can do to find out more of what is
> going on.  And in the process of doing this, your husband might come
> to understand.  There is a school in Florida called the "Building
> Bau-Biologie Institute".  They train people in electro-magnetic
> investigation and remediation.  I have been in contact with one of
> these people in my local area.  There are 3 listed for the state of
> Arizona.  Here is the website for them:
>  
> http://www.building biology.net/ arizona.html
>  
> For the rest of you reading this, there is also an online course you
> can take right now on EMFs thru this school.  And under the tools
> section, there are meters available for sale, as well as a gadget you
> put onto your wiring to turn off the electric current to your bedroom,
> etc, automatically at night.  I have not gotten mine installed yet, so
> cannot say yet how this works.  Good luck.  Here are those sites: 
>  
> http://www.building biology.net/ meters.html
>  
> http://www.building biology.net/ elpo.html
>  
> I understand your problem, Loni.  You are acting hyper because you are
> in such pain and it affects your thinking.  But you need to focus on
> calming yourself and work to focus your energy on a solution.  You are
> coming across as very negative and overly melodramatic.  People will
> respond to this by thinking you are an emotional wreck and a mental
> case.  Do not allow yourself to feel sorry for yourself.  This robs
> you of energy and focus you need in other areas.  Again, this is not
> meant as a criticism--I do understand what you are going thru--but it
> is aimed at being a help.  When one has been accused of something, one
> overcomes that stigma by being the opposite.  If you are accused of
> being out of control and losing it, work to regain self control and
> make sure you keep yourself focused in that area. 
>  
> Bless you, dear,
> Diane 
> --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 3:10 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Hi All, Thank you everyone for responding to my desperation here.
>  
> So my thoughts were to put up a block wall in the back of the house
> (like over what is already there depending on cost) & tint all of the
> windows. I have to get a price however. I just am weary because there
> are so many anntennas & I am so sensitive to the RF.
>  
> The RF can still get in to the house through the sides & the front of
> the house. This whole area is just flooded with anntennas.
>  
> Loni
>
> --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> wrote:
>
> From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 10:08 PM
>
> Adobe will absorb microwaves.. . so will brick, cinder block...
> Adobe is pretty labor intense. Cinder block is probably a lot cheaper,
> and if you have it covered with chicken wire and stucco, will probably
> work just as well. Try to get the wall about a foot taller than you
> think
> you need. Unfortunately building codes may limit the height. Metal
> fence may be easier and cheaper. I think regular chain link is not too
> bad. Slightly smaller holes, and shiny bare metal could improve it.
> Or, just have "hardware cloth" metal fence added to one side.
>
> Note if there is a radio or TV tower, that is longer wavelength and
> harder
> to block with a fence because it will come over and diffract down. In
> that case try painting a room and ceiling with shielding paint and/or
> foil.
>
> Try turning off breakers too.
>
> Any low-E (low emissivity) window tint may work. For sure ScotchTint
> Amber
> metallic works:
> blocks 99.9 percent even with the lighter 50 percent grade (I think
> it's
> discontinued, but
> a dealer may still be able to get some... lessEMF sells it by the roll
> I
> think too).
>
> Bill
>
> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
> wrote:
>
>> The radiation is scary. I need to build me a fort made of Adobe.
>>
>> Does anyone know what organ/organs are responsible for the elect
>> sensitivities? My gut hurts so I think immune system. But liver too
>> because
>> my skin burns.
>>
>> Loni
>>
>> --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com<amcafeerr%
>> 40nc. rr.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com <amcafeerr%40nc. rr.com>>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>
>> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:38 PM
>>
>>
>> Loni,
>>
>> That cell tower radiation flows like liquid and will find its way into
>> the house around one wall of shielding
>>
>> Taking food and supplements that regenerate your cells and their
>> ability to handle the external radiation and poison in your system are
>> essential and will take time.
>>
>> If you think you can live in the same place with the same people and
>> keep cool enough to not have another episode, then yes, shielding is
>> the way to go (in addition to supplements) .
>>
>> I personally don't think you are going to make it. I didn't.
>> I had to get out or I was going to kill someone.
>>
>> If your spouse is not going to support you in this then it is time to
>> leave without him. Get better then come back and see if you can handle
>> it in the future.
>>
>> Immediately:
>> Get some VERVAIN, a BACH flower essence and take it when you get angry
>> and before you are "losing it."
>>
>> Get some liquid raw colostrum to get your immune system and resistance
>> up. Find a local source at
>> http://www.realmilk .com/where3. html
>>
>> Get a Homeopathic Radiation remedy at Whole Foods or similar. It can
>> help too, a little.
>>
>> Take frequent breaks and drive to the countryside and use a tent to
>> sleep in if necessary.
>>
>> There are many other supplements that people on this list can
>> recommend
>> to help you get through the worst of it, initially.
>> Ask the group for them if needed.
>> EDTA (Detoxamin suppositories) chelation has also helped but clogged
>> up
>> my liver and kidneys.
>>
>> You can drape some silver mesh over you to get the burn reduced.
>> Something like the SILVER LINING SCARF
>> http://www.lessemf. com/personal. html
>>
>> I wore the cap from LESSEMF.COM for about 2 years. In fact I bought a
>> second one because I wore out the first one. I used to get very bad
>> headaches on the top of my head and the cap helped keep them away.
>>
>> These are short term and cheap solutions.
>>
>> You have a serious health condition. Ignore the idiots. Take care of
>> the immediate and short term. We can talk long term healing later.
>>
>> Andrew
>>
>> On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Loni Rosser wrote:
>>
>>> I haven't tried anything just yet due to the expense. I wanted to
>>> live
>>> elsewhere but not feasible. I'm done with gadgits. I need to block
>>> this somehow.
>>>
>>> My skin is burning & I have only been here for half hour. It's bad
>>> for
>>> me. there are soooo many cell anntennas on this major road. I just
>>> don't know if I can make it liveable.
>>>
>>> I know Adobe block shields so I was thinking about building a wall
>>> maybe. Or even lining the back of the house with it. I don't know.
>>> Loni
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
>>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>>> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:06 PM
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I can't live in this house. I need to find a way. Has anyone tried
>>>> the
>>>> window tint for shielding? Has anyone had any luck with any type of
>>>> shielding against cell RF.
>>>
>>> Loni, I'm not clear on what things you've tried so far to combat the
>>> cell tower RF. I know you've received many suggestions, but what
>>> exactly have you tried?
>>>
>>> That's terrible that your husband would have you committed. Although
>>> if he stays that high-RF environment for long, he may end up being
>>> electrically sensitive himself!
>>>
>>> Marc
>>>
>>>
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> radiation
> to 99% or even better, depending on the construction; but this measurable
> radiation is not the cause of the health problems. This contradicts the
> opinion
> of most experts in this field. A very simple experiment can show you this
> truth. You find it described on the homepage _www.golden- ray.com_
> (http://www.golden- ray.com) in an article about "how electrosmog harms
> us"
>
> dietrich gruen

> Quite welcome, Andrew.  I knew about this for about a month, but
> thought this was old news so didn't send it out till today!  I am sure
> somebody sent this info to the group a long time ago, but I didn't
> realize at the time that there were graduates of this school you could
> contact at the time.  And they just added the emf primer recently.  I
> was really excited when I saw the gadget to automatically turn off
> your bedroom current at night.  lol
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Fri, 8/15/08, Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
> Subject: [eSens] Bau-Biology
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Friday, August 15, 2008, 5:05 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Thank you Diane for these links.
> Andrew
>
> On Aug 15, 2008, at 4:10 PM, Evie wrote:
>
>> Hi, Loni,
>>  
>> The adobe wall will help--it will act as trees do to shield.  And the
>> window film will help.  However, there are places that we should not
>> live, period.  It sounds like you might be in one of those places.  I
>> don't believe in being negative and I am not negatively saying this. 
>> But there comes a time at which one must face fact.  If there are more
>> than 3 to 5 towers and they are less than a half mile away or so away,
>> you would have to take extreme measures (translation: lots of money)
>> to remedy this situation.  Especially if the towers are in multiple
>> directions.  Do you live in this type situation?  In a case like this,
>> you are far better to cut losses and move.  Even then, you will need
>> to spend money on supplements and health needs to recover. 
>>  
>> However, there are still things you can do to find out more of what is
>> going on.  And in the process of doing this, your husband might come
>> to understand.  There is a school in Florida called the "Building
>> Bau-Biologie Institute".  They train people in electro-magnetic
>> investigation and remediation.  I have been in contact with one of
>> these people in my local area.  There are 3 listed for the state of
>> Arizona.  Here is the website for them:
>>  
>> http://www.building biology.net/ arizona.html
>>  
>> For the rest of you reading this, there is also an online course you
>> can take right now on EMFs thru this school.  And under the tools
>> section, there are meters available for sale, as well as a gadget you
>> put onto your wiring to turn off the electric current to your bedroom,
>> etc, automatically at night.  I have not gotten mine installed yet, so
>> cannot say yet how this works.  Good luck.  Here are those sites: 
>>  
>> http://www.building biology.net/ meters.html
>>  
>> http://www.building biology.net/ elpo.html
>>  
>> I understand your problem, Loni.  You are acting hyper because you are
>> in such pain and it affects your thinking.  But you need to focus on
>> calming yourself and work to focus your energy on a solution.  You are
>> coming across as very negative and overly melodramatic.  People will
>> respond to this by thinking you are an emotional wreck and a mental
>> case.  Do not allow yourself to feel sorry for yourself.  This robs
>> you of energy and focus you need in other areas.  Again, this is not
>> meant as a criticism--I do understand what you are going thru--but it
>> is aimed at being a help.  When one has been accused of something, one
>> overcomes that stigma by being the opposite.  If you are accused of
>> being out of control and losing it, work to regain self control and
>> make sure you keep yourself focused in that area. 
>>  
>> Bless you, dear,
>> Diane 
>> --- On Thu, 8/14/08, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Date: Thursday, August 14, 2008, 3:10 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi All, Thank you everyone for responding to my desperation here.
>>  
>> So my thoughts were to put up a block wall in the back of the house
>> (like over what is already there depending on cost) & tint all of the
>> windows. I have to get a price however. I just am weary because there
>> are so many anntennas & I am so sensitive to the RF.
>>  
>> The RF can still get in to the house through the sides & the front of
>> the house. This whole area is just flooded with anntennas.
>>  
>> Loni
>>
>> --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com> wrote:
>>
>> From: Bill Bruno <wbruno@gmail. com>
>> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 10:08 PM
>>
>> Adobe will absorb microwaves.. . so will brick, cinder block...
>> Adobe is pretty labor intense. Cinder block is probably a lot cheaper,
>> and if you have it covered with chicken wire and stucco, will probably
>> work just as well. Try to get the wall about a foot taller than you
>> think
>> you need. Unfortunately building codes may limit the height. Metal
>> fence may be easier and cheaper. I think regular chain link is not too
>> bad. Slightly smaller holes, and shiny bare metal could improve it.
>> Or, just have "hardware cloth" metal fence added to one side.
>>
>> Note if there is a radio or TV tower, that is longer wavelength and
>> harder
>> to block with a fence because it will come over and diffract down. In
>> that case try painting a room and ceiling with shielding paint and/or
>> foil.
>>
>> Try turning off breakers too.
>>
>> Any low-E (low emissivity) window tint may work. For sure ScotchTint
>> Amber
>> metallic works:
>> blocks 99.9 percent even with the lighter 50 percent grade (I think
>> it's
>> discontinued, but
>> a dealer may still be able to get some... lessEMF sells it by the roll
>> I
>> think too).
>>
>> Bill
>>
>> On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Loni Rosser <loni326@yahoo. com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> The radiation is scary. I need to build me a fort made of Adobe.
>>>
>>> Does anyone know what organ/organs are responsible for the elect
>>> sensitivities? My gut hurts so I think immune system. But liver too
>>> because
>>> my skin burns.
>>>
>>> Loni
>>>
>>> --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com<amcafeerr%
>>> 40nc. rr.com>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> From: Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@nc. rr.com <amcafeerr%40nc. rr.com>>
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
>>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com <eSens%40yahoogroup s.com>
>>> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:38 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> Loni,
>>>
>>> That cell tower radiation flows like liquid and will find its way
>>> into
>>> the house around one wall of shielding
>>>
>>> Taking food and supplements that regenerate your cells and their
>>> ability to handle the external radiation and poison in your system
>>> are
>>> essential and will take time.
>>>
>>> If you think you can live in the same place with the same people and
>>> keep cool enough to not have another episode, then yes, shielding is
>>> the way to go (in addition to supplements) .
>>>
>>> I personally don't think you are going to make it. I didn't.
>>> I had to get out or I was going to kill someone.
>>>
>>> If your spouse is not going to support you in this then it is time to
>>> leave without him. Get better then come back and see if you can
>>> handle
>>> it in the future.
>>>
>>> Immediately:
>>> Get some VERVAIN, a BACH flower essence and take it when you get
>>> angry
>>> and before you are "losing it."
>>>
>>> Get some liquid raw colostrum to get your immune system and
>>> resistance
>>> up. Find a local source at
>>> http://www.realmilk .com/where3. html
>>>
>>> Get a Homeopathic Radiation remedy at Whole Foods or similar. It can
>>> help too, a little.
>>>
>>> Take frequent breaks and drive to the countryside and use a tent to
>>> sleep in if necessary.
>>>
>>> There are many other supplements that people on this list can
>>> recommend
>>> to help you get through the worst of it, initially.
>>> Ask the group for them if needed.
>>> EDTA (Detoxamin suppositories) chelation has also helped but clogged
>>> up
>>> my liver and kidneys.
>>>
>>> You can drape some silver mesh over you to get the burn reduced.
>>> Something like the SILVER LINING SCARF
>>> http://www.lessemf. com/personal. html
>>>
>>> I wore the cap from LESSEMF.COM for about 2 years. In fact I bought a
>>> second one because I wore out the first one. I used to get very bad
>>> headaches on the top of my head and the cap helped keep them away.
>>>
>>> These are short term and cheap solutions.
>>>
>>> You have a serious health condition. Ignore the idiots. Take care of
>>> the immediate and short term. We can talk long term healing later.
>>>
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>> On Aug 13, 2008, at 3:12 PM, Loni Rosser wrote:
>>>
>>>> I haven't tried anything just yet due to the expense. I wanted to
>>>> live
>>>> elsewhere but not feasible. I'm done with gadgits. I need to block
>>>> this somehow.
>>>>
>>>> My skin is burning & I have only been here for half hour. It's bad
>>>> for
>>>> me. there are soooo many cell anntennas on this major road. I just
>>>> don't know if I can make it liveable.
>>>>
>>>> I know Adobe block shields so I was thinking about building a wall
>>>> maybe. Or even lining the back of the house with it. I don't know.
>>>> Loni
>>>>
>>>> --- On Wed, 8/13/08, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
>>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] I'm desperate!
>>>> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
>>>> Date: Wednesday, August 13, 2008, 12:06 PM
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I can't live in this house. I need to find a way. Has anyone tried
>>>>> the
>>>>> window tint for shielding? Has anyone had any luck with any type of
>>>>> shielding against cell RF.
>>>>
>>>> Loni, I'm not clear on what things you've tried so far to combat the
>>>> cell tower RF. I know you've received many suggestions, but what
>>>> exactly have you tried?
>>>>
>>>> That's terrible that your husband would have you committed. Although
>>>> if he stays that high-RF environment for long, he may end up being
>>>> electrically sensitive himself!
>>>>
>>>> Marc
>>>>
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