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How to get Phone and Internet Safely to Affordable Rural Spot

JDark
I have noticed that the safe affordable rural spots have NO landline or DSL service. Centurylink that services most of those areas will promise you service, but those promises are lies and there is NO service. I found out the hard way I now have to wait till I pay off the dept incurred, renting these places 3 times after lots of homework-in 2 different states and lots of confirmations and getting No service, or I am able to win one of my cases against centurylink to have the funds to rent another spot.  Then the issue is I require landline and wired DSL to survive.  I can not tolerate using a cell and wifi. I will not consider trying another place where, I would depend on the word of that company , as that is false. No Service.

I am checking non-phone compalny options:  first I foudn this for phone:
http://www.eiwellspring.org/tech/ZeroEMFCellular.htm

Wondering if there could be a more portable version of this home phone connect set up and how to do.  There are many rural places that are far enough from towers, but close enough for this to work great.

Then #2:  Would there be some way to make some sort of Myfi work?  Any ideas  I know that some of them can have the wifi turned off and instead be teathered by usb to a computer running windows 7 or later.  Would this  work if the device was say in a weatherproof cooler or would it be a real problem, as the cellphone booster was in the above link?  Or would it be more like the homephone connect?

Could it be set up to work w/ a MAC that's what I have?  Maybe it would work if I ran windows 7 on my Mac?  I would want to know before I invest in the equipment and expense of set up and cable and set up fees w/ say verizon and 152 something for the 1st month of data that matches the unlimited that I have currently with centurylink where I am.

The eiwellspring page on t he phone is rather limited in explaining on how to do it or get it done vs some of their other instruction and not a lot of other info available and verizin has no knowlege on how to set something of the like up.

It would also have to work where I could change the adapter to plug into 12 volt solar: I think the home phoen conncet can but not sure the Myfi can plug in w/ usb cable so that is 12 volt.


Any thoughts of these types of options for rural and or mobile off grid living?  Help!
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JDark
PS:  Oh and more and more they have just taken out the landlines most places altogehter, but not as much here as some areas of the country, like say the NE>
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Marc Martin
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Can you tolerate a cellphone transmitter/receiver from a certain distance?  I know that when I go on trips, the only option for internet is wireless, so I bring along a USB 3G/4G stick that I hook up to my laptop via a long USB cable.  I would be bothered by this stick if it was plugged directly into my laptop, but with the long USB cable I can have all that wireless activity taking place 15 feet away from me.  

Also, if you know the direction of the nearest cellphone tower to you, you could position the USB stick so it doesn't have to work as hard to communicate, and then shield the other side to protect yourself.

Marc
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JDark
The cellphone tramsmitter would be no problem at about 30 feet.  I am sure I would want to avoid being in the communication path.  I watched a special about "mobil" internet the other night and all was new to me, as far as the tech goes. I have not heard of the USB stick and they only touched on it, so I still know nothing about it. Can you tell me more about it Marc?

They had more info on this gizmo:http://www.amazon.com/Verizon-Wireless-MHS291L-Jetpack-Warranty/dp/B00GBAO2ES/ref=pd_sim_sbs_107_1/187-4823521-7469445?ie=UTF8&refRID=02NS1J283B650GX95X7K&dpID=41l0QK96sxL&dpSrc=sims&preST=_AC_UL160_SR160%2C160_ 

I know this can be tethered to a windows computer, but not sure about a MAC, by USB and you turn the wifi off at the box when you do this.  Again not sure how the sticks work or if they can be turned off so they do not transmit and only receive. What appealed to me about the verizon box is the Data package could cover what I use now for about only $100 more per month and then I would have the option to rent a cheaper and nicer space to offset that.

I wouldworry about RFs coming in through the USB cable, but I do not know enough to know if that is an issue.  The man in the article about the home phone connect found that connecting to the cellphone booster was bad, but the home phone device worked. So just trying to learn everything I can.
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Marc Martin
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On October 16, "JDark [via ES]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The cellphone tramsmitter would be no problem at about 30 feet.  

There are certain cable length limitations on USB cables, but you can bypass those limits with special cables, signal boosters, or fiber optics (although fiber optics would be much more expensive).  So yes, 30 feet is certainly "doable".

> I have not heard of the USB stick and they only touched on it, so
> I still know nothing about it. Can you tell me more about it Marc?

Yes, you can USB sticks that act like they are a cellphone, except that they provide internet to your computer.  It might be too expensive if that's your only source of internet and you use lots of data.  Here's the one that I used on my last trip:

  http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B007WXOS7Y

I know also that some people just use their cellphone as a way to provide internet to their computer.  I have not tried this, but I assume you'd need a cable running between the phone and computer.

I don't know about Mac compatibility... I bring Windows laptops with me on trips.

> I would worry about RFs coming in through the USB cable, but I do not know
> enough to know if that is an issue.

Yes, you might still react to the data coming in through the USB cable.  If you need to break the electrical link between the USB stick and the computer, then fiber optics would do that, but that could $200 for a 30-foot fiber optic USB extension cable.  I have such a cable, but didn't notice that it was such a big improvement over a regular 15 foot cable, and also not very compact for traveling.

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JDark
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I do not think the stick would be affordable.  I might be able to get a verizon jet pak as linked above at a somewhat affordable  rate, if I play it right.  There is no other internet available at most the places, a few have poor landline but not really worth risking set up w/ the company-probably will not work.

What is you take about say a very long usb to the jet pak option.?  

As far as mac goes I found programmers by trade that could not get it wired to the mac and they love mac [they have the wifi turned on on jet pak to use the MACs]. Maybe put windows 7 on a partitioned mac [I got a larger HD for that reason-unrelated to this need] and using that for online stuff.?

The USB cable would power the remote jet pak, so no need to have a sm panel and battery out there, but the only issue would be resetting if required.  I would have to wait till the battery ran down after pulling the cable in the house or something.

Where could I get more info on this with out paying a huge consult fee w/ a mobile internet specialist who does not understand ES?
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Marc Martin
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I think all wireless internet is on the expensive side, although maybe some companies have better deals than others.

Another option in the middle of nowhere is satellite, although I imagine that's expensive too... maybe even moreso.

So I guess the jetpack you've linked to uses cellphone towers to get internet access, but then communicates with your computer via wi-fi?  That would get rid of any mac incompatibilities.  You could still use a long USB cord, but instead of a cellphone USB stick you could use a USB wi-fi stick. Which again, would keep the wireless communications away from you.   Seems like this would be a less tolerable solution than a 3G/4G USB stick, because now you are exposing yourself to 3G/4G and wi-fi.

Also, the jetpack assumes (I guess) that your closest available tower is a Verizon tower.  You'd probably have to get an AT&T equivalent if your nearest tower was AT&T.

I don't know where you could find an expert on this stuff... I just search on Amazon and read the reviews to figure out what I'm looking for.  

Marc
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Marc Martin
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Actually, satellite internet looks to be competitive with cellphone internet... I imagine you you could connect an ethernet cord to a satellite modem...

  http://www.reviews.com/satellite-internet/

... but sorry, no first-hand experience with this... I've just used DSL & cable (and dialup a LONG time ago)

Marc
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JDark
I looked into satellite some time ago.  All there is is hughesnet and you have to have wireless in the house and satellite right on you roof.  No options for anything safe where it's away from the house.


Also the cost was much worse than the cell company ones.  I could not even consider it as an option.

I spoke to them about my needs and no go.
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JDark
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I can not tolearate wifi. The jet pak uses cell towers, but the wifi can be disabled and teathered by usb to a windows computer. I can not take having the airport on w/ my mac at all, so I would have to have it wired via usb and then run my mac on windows 7.

Yes the jet paks are G3/4 and I can get a workable deal if I rent a space that is cheap enough, I could make it each month.  Have not found any sticks w/ a workable deal.

I think most likely the best reception would be verizon hands down.  Are you saying the jet pak would cause more problems even being wired usb?
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Marc Martin
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No, I didn't see that it had a wired option... from the description, it looked like it was just creating a wi-fi hotspot.

Marc
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JDark
About half way down this guy discusses it.

http://www.technomadia.com/2014/01/a-worthy-hotspot-the-pantech-mhs291l/http://www.technomadia.com/2014/01/a-worthy-hotspot-the-pantech-mhs291l/

After seeing what that ES guy w/ the eiwellspring site did w/ the terrible transmitting "home phone connect" by verison to make it safe, and then tuning into a channel on RV life, I saw a special they did on mobile internet for Rv'ers and he showed some stuff and further research led to this one option, that seemed to be the best. Now this guy confirms it, as they have several and have tried them all.  Everything he said seems to back up  my findings.

As you see in this article he is quite happy using it w/ the wifi on, but for me I need wireless. So that would mean a partition and windows 7 on my MAC.  They have similar ones that do hook w/ the mac, but the good plans are not available anywhere for them.  

My worry is how to use it safely after I get it tethered w/ the usb-and also if it can run plugged in, as some models can't. I am bedbound a lot and would probably want this thing in say a waterproof igloo cooler or the like out in the yard w/ the usb in conduit and run into the trailer.  I would need to have it set so I can run things from inside and not have to go out to it. Sort of like the guy did w/ the phone as I linked in this original post.  In a way that phone job could be harder, as it would take [panel, battery, fiver optic cable, conduit etc..but I have hook up already outside the trailer it can plug into].

So I am wondering if it can be done safely wired?
wondering if it would work?

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JDark
If I could find a safe way to do these things, it would so increase my living options in safer rural spots. And also cheaper spots and give me added options for mobility, w/ out having to worry about loosing my ability to get food and necessities, when I would otherwise not be able to.

Many of us are limited to areas w/ landline internet service and that means the dense urban locals. The rest move further out and are either very self sufficient and athletic or are defeating the whole purpose by having to use a cell and get blasted going to wifi hotspots like libraries. Some w/ large $$ worth, can have both rural and land service, but that is only a percentage of us ES.  I wish there was more clarity and info on what this guy did on eiwellspring: too bad that swedish guy did not post a pdf of how he exactly did it step by step.  Was hard enough to do the step by step solar for low emf on that site, with help and training. So now just need the phone/internet.

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Fog Top
I live out in the boonies and am lucky to have Centurylink landline service along with a slow but good-enough-for-me 1.5 Mbps wired DSL internet service.  I have friends who live far out in the mountains but are able to have landline phone and internet service through a small co-op telephone company, so those places do exist.
 
I communicate by snail-mail with the author of the eiwellspring.org articles of 12-volt solar and smart meter technologies.  He is severely MCS/ES and currently has no phone service where he lives in the AZ desert.  He does arrange to go into town for pre-planned phone calls.  He has helped others build solar homes and has said that he would help me if I decide to go solar.  If you send an email to eiwellspring.org asking to speak with him, he should respond within a couple of weeks - leave your phone number, email and address. Another ES/MCS neighbor there uses a cell phone setup for his internet and phone.  He mounts the cell phone on a pole far away from his house and has specially set up his computer with shielding.  These people generally own hundreds of acres of land so that they won't be bothered by neighbor's devices. 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 

Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2015 22:13:36 -0700
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Subject: [ES] Re: How to get Phone and Internet Safely to Affordable Rural Spot

If I could find a safe way to do these things, it would so increase my living options in safer rural spots. And also cheaper spots and give me added options for mobility, w/ out having to worry about loosing my ability to get food and necessities, when I would otherwise not be able to.

Many of us are limited to areas w/ landline internet service and that means the dense urban locals. The rest move further out and are either very self sufficient and athletic or are defeating the whole purpose by having to use a cell and get blasted going to wifi hotspots like libraries. Some w/ large $$ worth, can have both rural and land service, but that is only a percentage of us ES.  I wish there was more clarity and info on what this guy did on eiwellspring: too bad that swedish guy did not post a pdf of how he exactly did it step by step.  Was hard enough to do the step by step solar for low emf on that site, with help and training. So now just need the phone/internet.




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Patricia

On Oct 18, 2015, at 11:08 AM, Fog Top [via ES] wrote:

So now just need the phone/internet. 

i used my little 'ghostmeter' to measure emf
at both my landline phone headset and cell 
phone and decided it would be better to not 
use a phone next to my head at all.  so now,
my phone and internet are one and the same.  
i use ethernet, not wireless.
i have an old, original, usb magicjack 
and i can make and receive phone calls
through the computer.  

this way, i can sit a good distance away from 
both mic and speakers.  i used to use a 
fancy mic but now i use the internal mic and
speakers - and all is well.  

i have no cell phone radiation - and i have 
found that even if a cell phone is on airplane 
mode or turned off, it seems that the tower 
is trying to contact it and it dwives me cwazy... 
so i use a cell phone ONLY in my car, which 
is parked a good distance away from my 
office and home and even then, it is in 
airplane mode.  i use it only for emergency 
calls when i'm driving
.  
i've had my magicjack system for several years.  
works well for me.  
much cheaper than a land line or cell phone.
i think you can also use skype for telephone 
calls.  it's also cheaper than a landline, if i 
remember correctly.  there might be other 
systems too.  i think it's a good thing to use 
the computer for telephone calls.  

i hope this was helpful.  
maybe the elwellspring guy would also like 
to consider this kind of arrangement.  

love, patricia 

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JDark
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Fog: You are lucky to have centurylink willing to service you in a rural area.  Most the time they do not or only on certain days or years when they feel like it. I had them when I first moved here and then, the only option became Comcast and after a few months of that and then verizon-when I found I was sensitive, I caught centurylink in a good moment and they were willing to send someone out to fix the broken lines and I have had phone and DSL with them for 2 years. In my search for a place, centurylink has done some absolutely horrible things to me costing thousands and now I have no $$ left.  I have a cases against them in 2 states over this!  AZ may even have me file criminal charges against them. To try to rent another space in their service area is downright foolish and I would deserve what I get, if I keep trusting their word, after 3 times of being badly screwed over.  The word is find another option and that seems to be the only thing to do.

Most the places have nothing, no lines and no connections or maybe broken lines that they will not fix. I have come upon some areas that do have the coops, but they are adamant about breaking the law and refusing reasonable accommodation of allowing me a wired modem that will work w/ low emf solar. The companies Frontier and Windstream are more reliable as to whether you can get service and will follow the laws. One coop I have filed an ADA case and that will take the good part of a year. My current modem will work on their lines, but they demand I must use wifi.

I should really try to contact the eiwellspring guy, as most of my solar was built around his advice. Some not as the controller he showed does transmit very bad, and I went with the switch, he shows how to set up on his site-the only way I could find. I got the impression from the site he did not want contact or would have done it before.  I would love to know more about that phone set up that is on his site.  Also his thoughts on how to get the same kind of workable set up to do internet. From his site I see a verizon "home phone connect" and the pole is and antenna and he said they tried the cell option first but it was a big problem, where the "home phone connect" was tolerable.  I do know many that go into town for use of the phone and internet, but I would find going to those places to make the call or get on the wifi too much. Also I require to be in bed about half the time.

Yes I would love to someday get land, but again the issue of having no phone or internet service at a rural property. One property owner installed lines and centurylink would still not give here service, but did for the neighbor next door. I pretty much think I could make the "home phone connect" work, as it did for the eiwellspring guy, but not sure how to best instigate it. It's the internet I am not so sure on and need much more info.

It seems to me that it's hard enough to find a safe place and most sensitives forgo that to stay urban and keep services. Others are quite rich and afford land that has DSL and NO smart meters, but that takes some real serious $$$$$$.....

What I am looking for is to be able to make some of the places where I would not be sardine packed workable and still meet my basic needs.
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JDark
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Patricia. The older magic jacks are supposed to be great. They do require that the user have "Broadband" or " High Speed" internet.  I have found quite a few suitable spaces and rented, having it verified several times on each that centurylink could provide internet there. They lied!

This is about what to do where there are no wired options to the space or property. Without a wired internet line VOIPs, such as magic jack, can not work.

If I were able-bodied I would say say the heck w/ phone and internet, but I need them to get basic needs: food, necessities, personal items, solar, components to get the house to run and lights on, help w/ things like mail and trash and to pay bills and also TV and movies-basically everything.

I am trying to find other options to bring internet to me, in the areas I am looking to live.  I have yet to see any wired services to places I can tolerate.

Sadly landlines [they use the same line, for both phone and internet] are going by the wayside and few places have them outside of densely packed places ie: downtown phoenix, tucson, nyc or just as densely packed suburbs. There are some rural places that have these services, but are only for the very rich.

I am trying to say,  find some type of data device that I can pick up, say verizon internet, but then have it an acceptable distance from my home [where I will not feel the effects] and then "wire" it into my computer. I am sort of a geek, in figuring out weird ways to do things and how to make something work. As to this, I am out of my league and do not know enough to know what to do.  Going to town to use a computer would NOT be an option. I am just trying to find a happy medium to the sardine can I am in now and the perfect zero emf spot. Something that would be much improved.
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JDark
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Fog:  I sent him a msg.  Took your advice and included addresses etc.. Thanx, as I would love to be in touch and also want to move to AZ where he is.  Hope maybe he has some insight on all this.

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Fog Top
Dark - If my brain had been working correctly I would have told you that the name of the person to ask to be put in touch with at eiwellspring.org is Steen, but it should get to him if you refer to the pages he posted.  His articles on smart meters on that website, especially the power line communication (PLC) TWACS have helped me tremendously as that is the technology that was installed in my area and brought about my ES (the utility company tells me that PLC and digital meters are benign and could not cause negative health effects).  I had asked Dr. Olle Johansson of  the Swedish Karolinska Institute which awards the Nobel Prize for Medicine if he knew of any scientific reports on power line communication and its biological effects and he referred me to Steen's work on eiwellspring.org.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 


 

Date: Sun, 18 Oct 2015 16:13:41 -0700
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Fog:  I sent him a msg.  Took your advice and included addresses etc.. Thanx, as I would love to be in touch and also want to move to AZ where he is.  Hope maybe he has some insight on all this.




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Yes he does wonderful things on that site. It was not wanting to be hooked to a PLC smart meter that prompted me to install my small solar system, that I will someday expand.

I do hope it will reach Steen without the name but have had heard anything as of yet. Like you say it may take time. Maybe you could mention me and what I am trying to do in your next letter. If I could just find a way to hook this type of stuff up safely I would have a place to go and a much better one at that.

If I were able bodied, I'd just move my trailer out somewhere and for go the phone and internet. But then I would still have an issue w/ going to stores and businesses. I used the phone today to order stuff I can not get locally as I can not go in the store.

If I could set up the right mobile system, it would save me any more financial ruin and I could begin to recover in that area and I would no longer be a victim of those landline companies that either demand to blast me w/ wifi in my home or lie and abuse me. Maybe I am reaching but I want to set up a safe mobile system so I can move somewhere not so dense w/ this junk.
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