Hi there, my name is Anna, I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum!
I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of considerations / questions: My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the bedroom right next to the powerline? i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices? What blocks emf? Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about those silver hoodies on lessemf.com? Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for this? And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best? Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help! PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars, etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that computer on, I feel like I'm dying! |
I do better with the laptop running on batteries.
I have 2 spares and a charger. It is very difficult to make a computer that is truly low EMF. Richard Conrad is working on one, and some others of us. It is also very hard to shield power lines. Best bet is to sleep somewhere else... next best option is to buy an MFJ-856. Very useful EMF meter cost only about the same as a tri-field... both are useful but I'd start with the MFJ. If the lines are radiating you can convince the power company to tighten the bolts on all the poles on that line and it could make a big difference (they may do it if you show them the MFJ and tell them it's hurting your AM radio reception, plus you like to listen to air traffic on your MFJ). The MFJ is pretty sensitive but you can make it even more so by listening with a quiet amplifier like an old Archer telephone listener. Get the book Nourishing Traditions, take coQ10, E, C, D3, flush free niacin, etc etc On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:40 PM, professorbudd <[hidden email]>wrote: > > > Hi there, my name is Anna, I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf > sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum! > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of > considerations / questions: > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the > bedroom right next to the powerline? > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat > swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 > feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf > coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I > still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be > on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a > small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices? > > What blocks emf? > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about > those silver hoodies on lessemf.com? > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for > this? > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best? > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to > get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help! > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars, > etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that > computer on, I feel like I'm dying! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/eSens/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: [hidden email] [hidden email] <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [hidden email] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ |
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Hi Anna,
About the grounding of your wiring, I don't know if this is the right way to do it, but I used a multimeter, and had one end connected into a copper rod in the bare earth, and the other end connected into the electrical ground, and I measured a small difference of voltage there, changing with the time of day, but I don't know whether or not it was significant. It could make things worse to have a Faraday cage around your computer as the reflection inside the cage could increase, and the electric fields getting conducted on the Faraday cage could be a problem... Whenever possible, print things out to read, and either move far away from your computer to read, or unplug your computer/monitor, esp. the power supply (AC/DC inverter) to the computer. Running laptop on battery may also help, as Bill pointed out, so the cables don't get contaminated by the AC/DC inverter. Make sure also to disable Wi-Fi on your computer from the control panel-- even if you're not using it, it could be enabled. Keep a distance even from your keyboard and mouse when you're not actively using it-- the frequencies from your computer travel even on the USB cables. I've even had frequencies travel from ethernet switch along ethernet cables, until I replaced it with a different ethernet switch -- it's a bit of trial and error... Regarding shielding: Many metallized fabrics do block wireless radiation, but they could also conduct some voltage, so you have to use them with care, taking both wireless & electric exposures into consideration. Regarding meters for personal use: a. Trifield is good for personal use for the magnetic field part. However, it's too insensitive to be much use for the electric and RF parts. b. Cornet is good for personal use for the RF. c. Cheap AM radio is good for intermediate frequencies. d. Electric meter or body voltage meter may be helpful also for electric considerations, but need to be understood properly to prevent harming yourself. --- In [hidden email], "professorbudd" <annabudd122@...> wrote: > > Hi there, my name is Anna, I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum! > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of considerations / questions: > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the bedroom right next to the powerline? > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices? > > What blocks emf? > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about those silver hoodies on lessemf.com? > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for this? > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best? > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help! > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars, etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that computer on, I feel like I'm dying! > |
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Don't you have to have wireless then if you're using battery for your laptop? Sorry sounds like a dumb question. Loni
--- On Mon, 4/4/11, Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] How to Make My Home Safe?? To: [hidden email] Date: Monday, April 4, 2011, 11:59 AM I do better with the laptop running on batteries. I have 2 spares and a charger. It is very difficult to make a computer that is truly low EMF. Richard Conrad is working on one, and some others of us. It is also very hard to shield power lines. Best bet is to sleep somewhere else... next best option is to buy an MFJ-856. Very useful EMF meter cost only about the same as a tri-field... both are useful but I'd start with the MFJ. If the lines are radiating you can convince the power company to tighten the bolts on all the poles on that line and it could make a big difference (they may do it if you show them the MFJ and tell them it's hurting your AM radio reception, plus you like to listen to air traffic on your MFJ). The MFJ is pretty sensitive but you can make it even more so by listening with a quiet amplifier like an old Archer telephone listener. Get the book Nourishing Traditions, take coQ10, E, C, D3, flush free niacin, etc etc On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:40 PM, professorbudd <[hidden email]>wrote: > > > Hi there, my name is Anna, I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf > sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum! > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of > considerations / questions: > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the > bedroom right next to the powerline? > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat > swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 > feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf > coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I > still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be > on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a > small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices? > > What blocks emf? > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about > those silver hoodies on lessemf.com? > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for > this? > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best? > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to > get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help! > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars, > etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that > computer on, I feel like I'm dying! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ------------------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Links [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
Well... it is "wire"-less in the sense that you're using a battery instead of power cable, but it's not "wireless" in the sense of using microwaves for internet communications, if you use an Ethernet (RJ45) cable. Hope that clarifies things.
--- In [hidden email], Loni <loni326@...> wrote: > > Don't you have to have wireless then if you're using battery for your laptop? Sorry sounds like a dumb question. Loni > |
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Thank you Bill!! VERY useful tip about having PG&E come out and tighten those bolts ... at what level of electrical radiation can we say that the lines are radiating? I'm going to buy a MFJ-856 meter, and will be taking readings right below that powerline. I've never done it before, though, and don't really know what I'm doing. What is considered "normal" levels coming off a powerline?
And I will definitely run my macbook on batteries! Doing that right now - not yet feeling a difference, but I'm already emf sick today, so hard to tell. Thanks for letting me know about Richard Conrad - his website is a great resource! I'm going to see a naturopath in SF tomorrow -hopefully he'll be up on the emf sensitivity problem, but I doubt it - it seems even among alternative medicine practitioners, emf sensitivity is still largely unexplored. I sure hope that changes - soon! Thanks again for the help, -Anna --- In [hidden email], Bill Bruno <wbruno@...> wrote: > > I do better with the laptop running on batteries. > I have 2 spares and a charger. > > It is very difficult to make a computer that is truly low EMF. > > Richard Conrad is working on one, and some others of us. > > It is also very hard to shield power lines. Best bet is to > sleep somewhere else... next best option is to buy > an MFJ-856. Very useful EMF meter cost only about > the same as a tri-field... both are useful but I'd start with > the MFJ. If the lines are > radiating you can convince the power company to tighten > the bolts on all the poles on that line and it could make > a big difference (they may do it if you show them the MFJ > and tell them it's hurting your AM radio reception, plus > you like to listen to air traffic on your MFJ). The MFJ is > pretty sensitive but you can make it even more so by > listening with a quiet amplifier like an old Archer telephone listener. > > Get the book Nourishing Traditions, take coQ10, E, C, D3, > flush free niacin, etc etc > > On Mon, Apr 4, 2011 at 12:40 PM, professorbudd <annabudd122@...>wrote: > > > > > > > Hi there, my name is Anna, I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf > > sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum! > > > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of > > considerations / questions: > > > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the > > bedroom right next to the powerline? > > > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat > > swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 > > feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf > > coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I > > still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be > > on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a > > small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices? > > > > What blocks emf? > > > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about > > those silver hoodies on lessemf.com? > > > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for > > this? > > > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best? > > > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to > > get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help! > > > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars, > > etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that > > computer on, I feel like I'm dying! > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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Thanks for the reply!
I am more concerned with blocking electro-magnetic radiation, since it seems I'm more sensitive to this than to rf ... would simply building a copper-sheet cage around my laptop help or make things worse? From what I understand from your response, it sounds like a copper cage would simply magnify / intensify the emf field - is this correct? Thanks again for the help! -Anna --- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@...> wrote: > > Hi Anna, > > About the grounding of your wiring, I don't know if this is the right way to do it, but I used a multimeter, and had one end connected into a copper rod in the bare earth, and the other end connected into the electrical ground, and I measured a small difference of voltage there, changing with the time of day, but I don't know whether or not it was significant. > > It could make things worse to have a Faraday cage around your computer as the reflection inside the cage could increase, and the electric fields getting conducted on the Faraday cage could be a problem... Whenever possible, print things out to read, and either move far away from your computer to read, or unplug your computer/monitor, esp. the power supply (AC/DC inverter) to the computer. Running laptop on battery may also help, as Bill pointed out, so the cables don't get contaminated by the AC/DC inverter. > > Make sure also to disable Wi-Fi on your computer from the control panel-- even if you're not using it, it could be enabled. > > Keep a distance even from your keyboard and mouse when you're not actively using it-- the frequencies from your computer travel even on the USB cables. I've even had frequencies travel from ethernet switch along ethernet cables, until I replaced it with a different ethernet switch -- it's a bit of trial and error... > > Regarding shielding: > Many metallized fabrics do block wireless radiation, but they could also conduct some voltage, so you have to use them with care, taking both wireless & electric exposures into consideration. > > Regarding meters for personal use: > a. Trifield is good for personal use for the magnetic field part. However, it's too insensitive to be much use for the electric and RF parts. > b. Cornet is good for personal use for the RF. > c. Cheap AM radio is good for intermediate frequencies. > d. Electric meter or body voltage meter may be helpful also for electric considerations, but need to be understood properly to prevent harming yourself. > > > --- In [hidden email], "professorbudd" <annabudd122@> wrote: > > > > Hi there, my name is Anna, I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum! > > > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of considerations / questions: > > > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the bedroom right next to the powerline? > > > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices? > > > > > > What blocks emf? > > > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about those silver hoodies on lessemf.com? > > > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for this? > > > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best? > > > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help! > > > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars, etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that computer on, I feel like I'm dying! > > > |
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I use ZOOMTEXT 8 which allows me to veiw the laptop from approx 1.5m away,
I also have a infrared mouse, but alas a normal keyboard, this buys me a little more time on the pc but I still end up wollyheaded and out of focus for ages after 1hour use - I guess the keyboard is acting like a leaky feeder or garden hose sprayer with the elf from the laptop - distance is everything and time spent is also important - like I have said before there may also be an issue with your ES activated immune system learning the RF profile of your equipment so changing equipment sometimes may help for a while as well. puk In a message dated 06/04/2011 07:22:27 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email] writes: Thanks for the reply! I am more concerned with blocking electro-magnetic radiation, since it seems I'm more sensitive to this than to rf ... would simply building a copper-sheet cage around my laptop help or make things worse? From what I understand from your response, it sounds like a copper cage would simply magnify / intensify the emf field - is this correct? Thanks again for the help! -Anna --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "emraware" <emraware@...> wrote: > > Hi Anna, > > About the grounding of your wiring, I don't know if this is the right way to do it, but I used a multimeter, and had one end connected into a copper rod in the bare earth, and the other end connected into the electrical ground, and I measured a small difference of voltage there, changing with the time of day, but I don't know whether or not it was significant. > > It could make things worse to have a Faraday cage around your computer as the reflection inside the cage could increase, and the electric fields getting conducted on the Faraday cage could be a problem... Whenever possible, print things out to read, and either move far away from your computer to read, or unplug your computer/monitor, esp. the power supply (AC/DC inverter) to the computer. Running laptop on battery may also help, as Bill pointed out, so the cables don't get contaminated by the AC/DC inverter. > > Make sure also to disable Wi-Fi on your computer from the control panel-- even if you're not using it, it could be enabled. > > Keep a distance even from your keyboard and mouse when you're not actively using it-- the frequencies from your computer travel even on the USB cables. I've even had frequencies travel from ethernet switch along ethernet cables, until I replaced it with a different ethernet switch -- it's a bit of trial and error... > > Regarding shielding: > Many metallized fabrics do block wireless radiation, but they could also conduct some voltage, so you have to use them with care, taking both wireless & electric exposures into consideration. > > Regarding meters for personal use: > a. Trifield is good for personal use for the magnetic field part. However, it's too insensitive to be much use for the electric and RF parts. > b. Cornet is good for personal use for the RF. > c. Cheap AM radio is good for intermediate frequencies. > d. Electric meter or body voltage meter may be helpful also for electric considerations, but need to be understood properly to prevent harming yourself. > > > --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "professorbudd" <annabudd122@> wrote: > > > > Hi there, my name is Anna, I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum! > > > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of considerations / questions: > > > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the bedroom right next to the powerline? > > > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices? > > > > > > What blocks emf? > > > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about those silver hoodies on lessemf.com? > > > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for this? > > > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best? > > > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help! > > > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars, etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that computer on, I feel like I'm dying! > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I suppose you could try something see-through which shields electric fields to cover the monitor? However, it wouldn't deal with magnetic fields which requires the opaque mu-metal, and it won't deal with intermediate frequencies which you can detect with a radio.
Distance is key. I prefer attaching USB keyboard/mouse to my laptop to keep a distance from the laptop, but even then, try to keep a distance from the keyboard and mouse itself as well, b/c some frequencies from the laptop still gets onto the USB cables... --- In [hidden email], "professorbudd" <annabudd122@...> wrote: > > Thanks for the reply! > > I am more concerned with blocking electro-magnetic radiation, since it seems I'm more sensitive to this than to rf ... would simply building a copper-sheet cage around my laptop > help or make things worse? From what I understand from your response, it sounds like a copper cage would simply magnify / intensify the emf field - is this correct? > > Thanks again for the help! > > -Anna > > --- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@> wrote: > > > > Hi Anna, > > > > About the grounding of your wiring, I don't know if this is the right way to do it, but I used a multimeter, and had one end connected into a copper rod in the bare earth, and the other end connected into the electrical ground, and I measured a small difference of voltage there, changing with the time of day, but I don't know whether or not it was significant. > > > > It could make things worse to have a Faraday cage around your computer as the reflection inside the cage could increase, and the electric fields getting conducted on the Faraday cage could be a problem... Whenever possible, print things out to read, and either move far away from your computer to read, or unplug your computer/monitor, esp. the power supply (AC/DC inverter) to the computer. Running laptop on battery may also help, as Bill pointed out, so the cables don't get contaminated by the AC/DC inverter. > > > > Make sure also to disable Wi-Fi on your computer from the control panel-- even if you're not using it, it could be enabled. > > > > Keep a distance even from your keyboard and mouse when you're not actively using it-- the frequencies from your computer travel even on the USB cables. I've even had frequencies travel from ethernet switch along ethernet cables, until I replaced it with a different ethernet switch -- it's a bit of trial and error... > > > > Regarding shielding: > > Many metallized fabrics do block wireless radiation, but they could also conduct some voltage, so you have to use them with care, taking both wireless & electric exposures into consideration. > > > > Regarding meters for personal use: > > a. Trifield is good for personal use for the magnetic field part. However, it's too insensitive to be much use for the electric and RF parts. > > b. Cornet is good for personal use for the RF. > > c. Cheap AM radio is good for intermediate frequencies. > > d. Electric meter or body voltage meter may be helpful also for electric considerations, but need to be understood properly to prevent harming yourself. > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "professorbudd" <annabudd122@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi there, my name is Anna, I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum! > > > > > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of considerations / questions: > > > > > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the bedroom right next to the powerline? > > > > > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices? > > > > > > > > > > What blocks emf? > > > > > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about those silver hoodies on lessemf.com? > > > > > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for this? > > > > > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best? > > > > > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help! > > > > > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars, etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that computer on, I feel like I'm dying! > > > > > > |
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You may have to sit back up to 5 feet away from that laptop before finding some relief. Even then you'll have to ration your time on it. There may be another laptop out there that you can tolerate a bit more - a netbook?. It's a grueling matter of cherry picking. Forget about buidling a cage. It won't work. Sorry about that power line by your house. There's Very litte that can be done with low frequency magnetic fields. Of course some EMF geniouses here purport that very low frequency magnetic fiels are harmless, and that we are only feeling the dirty power. either way, get back to us on the field strengths when you get your meter. Eli --- In [hidden email], "professorbudd" <annabudd122@...> wrote: > > Hi there, my name is Anna, I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum! > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of considerations / questions: > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the bedroom right next to the powerline? > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices? > > What blocks emf? > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about those silver hoodies on lessemf.com? > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for this? > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best? > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help! > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars, etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that computer on, I feel like I'm dying! > |
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You may have to sit back up to 5 feet away
from that laptop before finding some relief. Even then you'll have to ration your time on it. There may be another laptop out there that you can tolerate a bit more - a netbook with a solid state hard drive?. It's a grueling matter of cherry picking. Forget about buidling a cage. It won't work. Sorry about that power line by your house. There's Very litte that can be done with low frequency magnetic fields. Of course some EMF geniouses here purport that very low frequency magnetic fiels are harmless, and that we are only feeling the dirty power. either way, get back to us on the field strengths when you get your meter. Eli --- In [hidden email], "professorbudd" <annabudd122@...> wrote: > > Hi there, my name is Anna, I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum! > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of considerations / questions: > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the bedroom right next to the powerline? > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices? > > What blocks emf? > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about those silver hoodies on lessemf.com? > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for this? > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best? > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help! > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars, etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that computer on, I feel like I'm dying! > |
thanks Jaime! Thinking about getting a fit-PC2 mini desktop - looks WAY more tolerable than anything else I've looked at.
--- In [hidden email], "jaime_schunkewitz" <jaime_schunkewitz@...> wrote: > > You may have to sit back up to 5 feet away > from that laptop before finding some relief. > Even then you'll have to ration your time on > it. There may be another laptop out there that > you can tolerate a bit more - a netbook with a > solid state hard drive?. It's a grueling matter > of cherry picking. Forget about buidling a cage. > It won't work. Sorry about that power line by your > house. There's Very litte that can be done with low > frequency magnetic fields. Of course some EMF > geniouses here purport that very low frequency > magnetic fiels are harmless, and that we are only > feeling the dirty power. either way, get back to > us on the field strengths when you get your meter. > Eli > > > --- In [hidden email], "professorbudd" <annabudd122@> wrote: > > > > Hi there, my name is Anna, I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum! > > > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of considerations / questions: > > > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the bedroom right next to the powerline? > > > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices? > > > > What blocks emf? > > > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about those silver hoodies on lessemf.com? > > > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for this? > > > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best? > > > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help! > > > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars, etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that computer on, I feel like I'm dying! > > > |
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> You may have to sit back up to 5 feet away
> from that laptop before finding some relief. I recall being sensitive enough (once) that I had to stay at least 7-8 feet away from a laptop to stop being adversely affected from it. And 25 feet from our television set. I've found that certain desktop computers can be easier to be around than certain laptops, although I don't think one can generalize that one type is better than another. Marc |
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Hm, switching out laptops once in a while - interesting idea! Thanks. --- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote: > > I use ZOOMTEXT 8 which allows me to veiw the laptop from approx 1.5m away, > I also have a infrared mouse, but alas a normal keyboard, this buys me a > little more time on the pc but I still end up wollyheaded and out of focus > for ages after 1hour use - I guess the keyboard is acting like a leaky feeder > or garden hose sprayer with the elf from the laptop - distance is > everything and time spent is also important - like I have said before there may > also be an issue with your ES activated immune system learning the RF profile > of your equipment so changing equipment sometimes may help for a while as > well. > > puk > > > In a message dated 06/04/2011 07:22:27 GMT Daylight Time, > annabudd122@... writes: > > > > > Thanks for the reply! > > I am more concerned with blocking electro-magnetic radiation, since it > seems I'm more sensitive to this than to rf ... would simply building a > copper-sheet cage around my laptop > help or make things worse? From what I understand from your response, it > sounds like a copper cage would simply magnify / intensify the emf field - > is this correct? > > Thanks again for the help! > > -Anna > > --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , "emraware" > <emraware@> wrote: > > > > Hi Anna, > > > > About the grounding of your wiring, I don't know if this is the right > way to do it, but I used a multimeter, and had one end connected into a > copper rod in the bare earth, and the other end connected into the electrical > ground, and I measured a small difference of voltage there, changing with the > time of day, but I don't know whether or not it was significant. > > > > It could make things worse to have a Faraday cage around your computer > as the reflection inside the cage could increase, and the electric fields > getting conducted on the Faraday cage could be a problem... Whenever > possible, print things out to read, and either move far away from your computer to > read, or unplug your computer/monitor, esp. the power supply (AC/DC > inverter) to the computer. Running laptop on battery may also help, as Bill > pointed out, so the cables don't get contaminated by the AC/DC inverter. > > > > Make sure also to disable Wi-Fi on your computer from the control > panel-- even if you're not using it, it could be enabled. > > > > Keep a distance even from your keyboard and mouse when you're not > actively using it-- the frequencies from your computer travel even on the USB > cables. I've even had frequencies travel from ethernet switch along ethernet > cables, until I replaced it with a different ethernet switch -- it's a bit > of trial and error... > > > > Regarding shielding: > > Many metallized fabrics do block wireless radiation, but they could also > conduct some voltage, so you have to use them with care, taking both > wireless & electric exposures into consideration. > > > > Regarding meters for personal use: > > a. Trifield is good for personal use for the magnetic field part. > However, it's too insensitive to be much use for the electric and RF parts. > > b. Cornet is good for personal use for the RF. > > c. Cheap AM radio is good for intermediate frequencies. > > d. Electric meter or body voltage meter may be helpful also for electric > considerations, but need to be understood properly to prevent harming > yourself. > > > > > > --- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) , > "professorbudd" <annabudd122@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi there, my name is Anna, I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf > sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum! > > > > > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of > considerations / questions: > > > > > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate > the bedroom right next to the powerline? > > > > > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat > swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 > feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf > coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I > still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be > on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a > small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices? > > > > > > > > > > What blocks emf? > > > > > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What > about those silver hoodies on lessemf.com? > > > > > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I > test for this? > > > > > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best? > > > > > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big > challenge to get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big > help! > > > > > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined > sugars, etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that > computer on, I feel like I'm dying! > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
In reply to this post by Marc Martin
yeah, it does seem to be hard to predict which computer will affect me more severely than others.
I'll buy more vca & usb cable extensions - maybe twenty feet will do the trick! Thanks. -Anna --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote: > > > You may have to sit back up to 5 feet away > > from that laptop before finding some relief. > > I recall being sensitive enough (once) that I had to stay > at least 7-8 feet away from a laptop to stop being > adversely affected from it. And 25 feet from our > television set. > > I've found that certain desktop computers can be > easier to be around than certain laptops, although > I don't think one can generalize that one type is > better than another. > > Marc > |
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Meh, already tried those see-through monitor screens. Nada. I think what I've been hearing from all the emf-smart people here, including yourself, is absolutely right -distance is key!
Thanks for the help! -Anna --- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@...> wrote: > > I suppose you could try something see-through which shields electric fields to cover the monitor? However, it wouldn't deal with magnetic fields which requires the opaque mu-metal, and it won't deal with intermediate frequencies which you can detect with a radio. > > Distance is key. I prefer attaching USB keyboard/mouse to my laptop to keep a distance from the laptop, but even then, try to keep a distance from the keyboard and mouse itself as well, b/c some frequencies from the laptop still gets onto the USB cables... > > --- In [hidden email], "professorbudd" <annabudd122@> wrote: > > > > Thanks for the reply! > > > > I am more concerned with blocking electro-magnetic radiation, since it seems I'm more sensitive to this than to rf ... would simply building a copper-sheet cage around my laptop > > help or make things worse? From what I understand from your response, it sounds like a copper cage would simply magnify / intensify the emf field - is this correct? > > > > Thanks again for the help! > > > > -Anna > > > > --- In [hidden email], "emraware" <emraware@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Anna, > > > > > > About the grounding of your wiring, I don't know if this is the right way to do it, but I used a multimeter, and had one end connected into a copper rod in the bare earth, and the other end connected into the electrical ground, and I measured a small difference of voltage there, changing with the time of day, but I don't know whether or not it was significant. > > > > > > It could make things worse to have a Faraday cage around your computer as the reflection inside the cage could increase, and the electric fields getting conducted on the Faraday cage could be a problem... Whenever possible, print things out to read, and either move far away from your computer to read, or unplug your computer/monitor, esp. the power supply (AC/DC inverter) to the computer. Running laptop on battery may also help, as Bill pointed out, so the cables don't get contaminated by the AC/DC inverter. > > > > > > Make sure also to disable Wi-Fi on your computer from the control panel-- even if you're not using it, it could be enabled. > > > > > > Keep a distance even from your keyboard and mouse when you're not actively using it-- the frequencies from your computer travel even on the USB cables. I've even had frequencies travel from ethernet switch along ethernet cables, until I replaced it with a different ethernet switch -- it's a bit of trial and error... > > > > > > Regarding shielding: > > > Many metallized fabrics do block wireless radiation, but they could also conduct some voltage, so you have to use them with care, taking both wireless & electric exposures into consideration. > > > > > > Regarding meters for personal use: > > > a. Trifield is good for personal use for the magnetic field part. However, it's too insensitive to be much use for the electric and RF parts. > > > b. Cornet is good for personal use for the RF. > > > c. Cheap AM radio is good for intermediate frequencies. > > > d. Electric meter or body voltage meter may be helpful also for electric considerations, but need to be understood properly to prevent harming yourself. > > > > > > > > > --- In [hidden email], "professorbudd" <annabudd122@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Hi there, my name is Anna, I live in Oakland, CA, and I'm very emf sensitive! I am so glad to have found this focum! > > > > > > > > I need to know how to make my home safe. There are a number of considerations / questions: > > > > > > > > My house is right next to a powerline. How can I protect or insulate the bedroom right next to the powerline? > > > > > > > > i am *extremely* sensitive to computers - makes my glads in my throat swell. Not good! I've already bought a laptop, keep it far away from me (6 feet) *and* build a box of ceramic tiles around it to try to absorb the emf coming off of it - I'm using an external keyboard, mouse, monitor. But I still feel very sick after being on the computer a short time! I have to be on the computer 6-8 hours a week for my job. Is there some way to build a small faraday cage around this and other emf-emitting devices? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What blocks emf? > > > > > > > > Are there any products on the market now that *REALLY* work? What about those silver hoodies on lessemf.com? > > > > > > > > Could the wiring in my house not be grounded well enough? How do I test for this? > > > > > > > > And finally: favorite emf meters? Is the Trifield the best? > > > > > > > > Thanks so much folks! It has been -and continues to be - a big challenge to get some real answers, so anything you can share with me is a big help! > > > > > > > > PS I eat very well (real food only, nothing processed, no refined sugars, etc) and exercise regularly. It all helps, but man, when I turn that computer on, I feel like I'm dying! > > > > > > > > > > |
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How the heck did you sit 25 feet away from the tv. I'm about 15 feet & still get stung but not more room to move back any further! Loni
--- On Thu, 4/7/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: How to Make My Home Safe?? To: [hidden email] Date: Thursday, April 7, 2011, 11:57 AM > You may have to sit back up to 5 feet away > from that laptop before finding some relief. I recall being sensitive enough (once) that I had to stay at least 7-8 feet away from a laptop to stop being adversely affected from it. And 25 feet from our television set. I've found that certain desktop computers can be easier to be around than certain laptops, although I don't think one can generalize that one type is better than another. Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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> How the heck did you sit 25 feet away from the tv. I'm about 15 feet &
> still get stung but not more room to move back any further! Loni To get 25 feet away from the TV, I was sitting in the hallway! Fortunately, that level of sensitivity was only temporary (adverse reaction from an ionic foot bath), and these days I can watch TV from any distance (although I'm usually ~10 feet away). Marc |
Oh ok ha ha! hallway is sad! I'm in the kitchen by now lol. We just bought a 60 inch LCD LED HDTV Samsung so I hope it doesn't kill me!
The catch 22 is that tv gets my mind off of this darn impairment but also exposes me more to the toxin. Can't win! Loni --- On Fri, 4/8/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote: From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: How to Make My Home Safe?? To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, April 8, 2011, 6:56 AM > How the heck did you sit 25 feet away from the tv. I'm about 15 feet & > still get stung but not more room to move back any further! Loni To get 25 feet away from the TV, I was sitting in the hallway! Fortunately, that level of sensitivity was only temporary (adverse reaction from an ionic foot bath), and these days I can watch TV from any distance (although I'm usually ~10 feet away). Marc [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I had a 46 inch projection tv once. It was a killer. I have to use 32 inch or smaller old style console tv's.
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