Himalayan Salt alert

> I ran across this the other day, so be careful to double, double check
> where your himalayan salt is coming from if that is the kind you use.
> http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/himalaya.html
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> So does this mean that all Himalayan salt is high in Flouride or is
> there a good source of Himalayan Salt and a bad source?
> Andrew
> On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:26 PM, snoshoe_2 wrote:
>
> > I ran across this the other day, so be careful to double, double check
> > where your himalayan salt is coming from if that is the kind you use.
> > http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/himalaya.html
> >
> > ~ Snoshoe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> So does this mean that all Himalayan salt is high in Flouride or is
> there a good source of Himalayan Salt and a bad source?
> Andrew
> On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:26 PM, snoshoe_2 wrote:
>
> > I ran across this the other day, so be careful to double, double check
> > where your himalayan salt is coming from if that is the kind you use.
> > http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/himalaya.html
> >
> > ~ Snoshoe
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Yahoo! Groups Links
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

> Before we get too carried away on the anti-big business stuff, let's just
> remember the history of fluorides. It was observed nearly 100 years back
> by
> dentists in certain communities that a lot of the local population had
> mottled teeth, which was perceived as being unsightly. Then they did a
> few
> statistics and found that these people's teeth were a lot stronger and
> they
> had much fewer cavities and fillings. Investigations showed that the key
> factor was high natural levels of fluoride in the water. The push to get
> fluorides in toothpaste came jointly from the dental profession (with the
> laudable aim of reducing the number of fillings they had to do) and
> consumers. Fluoridation of water was proposed in quite a lot of
> communities
> in the UK and Europe as well as the US/Canada. I don't think many adopted
> it; there was some uncertainty, but also more of a feeling on cost grounds
> that it was wasteful to fluoridate a whole water supply when most of it
> would go down baths, sinks, toilets, hosepipes etc. Fluoride toothpaste
> seemed a more sensible way to go as it was directed at the specific area
> that needed it.
>
> The composition of "salt" is always going to vary depending on its source.
> Any salt from anywhere (rock or sea) will contain mainly chloride, but
> also
> greater or lesser amounts of fluoride, bromide and iodide, besides
> countless
> other things. They are all very closely chemically related (halides,
> compounds of halogens) and can't easily be separated from each other. The
> chemical similarity would also the reason why high levels of fluoride have
> been reported to give "goitre" effects (low thyroid due to iodine
> deficiency). Normally the levels required are far beyond those which one
> could ingest in salt in food - but I guess salt baths and salt lamps could
> give you a higher dose. Difficult to know without actually measuring it,
> and testing the individual impact it has on your body. For anyone with
> hypothyroidism, though, (and this seems to be the case with quite a lot of
> ME/MCS/ES people), it does seem to be something to consider.
> Incidentally,
> brine baths, Dead Sea baths/mudpacks, and sea bathing will all give
> similar
> effects of exposure to a wide range of halides but evidently most people
> do
> not suffer any problems from them.
>
> Ian
>
> _____
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> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
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> Subject: [eSens] Re: Himalayan Salt alert
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>
> Andrew...I think the jist of the article is that salt is salt. No mountain
> makes it magical or
> any better, as for efficacy. It would stand to reason this salt would be
> higher in fluoride
> since the water table source is supposed to be exposed to fluorines in the
> earth.
>
> Similar to the fluorines found in tea. It is a wise eye to watch for
> fluoridation in all food
> processing. There are fluoridated water drinks for kids...Flo Go....a
> little
> dinasaur on the
> package with articial flavours....thankfully...LOLOLOL...no colour
> added...LMAO...
>
> No colour just fluoride so you can watch your kids glow in the dark....or
> bones melt...or
> thyroid...or ADD or ADHD or sterility or depression, teeth malformation,
> sterility.
>
> BUT.....it is good for you. The United States and Canada (we are the
> lemmings/sheep here)
> are the only countries that fluoridate water. Money talks. Need to dispose
> of a few
> thousand pounds of toxic...radioactive...fluoric acid (byproduct of
> smelting
> industrly)
>
> Oh...Oh...here is a good idea....let's put it up for sale...tell everyone
> it
> is good for them.
> Viola' we will teach these North Americans how to digest radiation...
>
> Go team go.
>
> Karen
>
>
>
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>> So does this mean that all Himalayan salt is high in Flouride or is
>> there a good source of Himalayan Salt and a bad source?
>> Andrew
>> On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:26 PM, snoshoe_2 wrote:
>>
>> > I ran across this the other day, so be careful to double, double check
>> > where your himalayan salt is coming from if that is the kind you use.
>> > http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/himalaya.html
>> >
>> > ~ Snoshoe
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> Andrew...I think the jist of the article is that salt is salt. No
> mountain makes it magical or
> any better, as for efficacy. It would stand to reason this salt would
> be higher in fluoride
> since the water table source is supposed to be exposed to fluorines in
> the earth.
>
> Similar to the fluorines found in tea. It is a wise eye to watch for
> fluoridation in all food
> processing. There are fluoridated water drinks for kids...Flo Go....a
> little dinasaur on the
> package with articial flavours....thankfully...LOLOLOL...no colour
> added...LMAO...
>
> No colour just fluoride so you can watch your kids glow in the
> dark....or bones melt...or
> thyroid...or ADD or ADHD or sterility or depression, teeth
> malformation, sterility.
>
> BUT.....it is good for you. The United States and Canada (we are the
> lemmings/sheep here)
> are the only countries that fluoridate water. Money talks. Need to
> dispose of a few
> thousand pounds of toxic...radioactive...fluoric acid (byproduct of
> smelting industrly)
>
> Oh...Oh...here is a good idea....let's put it up for sale...tell
> everyone it is good for them.
> Viola' we will teach these North Americans how to digest radiation...
>
> Go team go.
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:
>>
>> So does this mean that all Himalayan salt is high in Flouride or is
>> there a good source of Himalayan Salt and a bad source?
>> Andrew
>> On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:26 PM, snoshoe_2 wrote:
>>
>>> I ran across this the other day, so be careful to double, double
>>> check
>>> where your himalayan salt is coming from if that is the kind you use.
>>> http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/himalaya.html
>>>
>>> ~ Snoshoe
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>> Yahoo! Groups Links
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> Before we get too carried away on the anti-big business stuff, let's just
> remember the history of fluorides. It was observed nearly 100 years back
> by
> dentists in certain communities that a lot of the local population had
> mottled teeth, which was perceived as being unsightly. Then they did a
> few
> statistics and found that these people's teeth were a lot stronger and
> they
> had much fewer cavities and fillings. Investigations showed that the key
> factor was high natural levels of fluoride in the water. The push to get
> fluorides in toothpaste came jointly from the dental profession (with the
> laudable aim of reducing the number of fillings they had to do) and
> consumers. Fluoridation of water was proposed in quite a lot of
> communities
> in the UK and Europe as well as the US/Canada. I don't think many adopted
> it; there was some uncertainty, but also more of a feeling on cost grounds
> that it was wasteful to fluoridate a whole water supply when most of it
> would go down baths, sinks, toilets, hosepipes etc. Fluoride toothpaste
> seemed a more sensible way to go as it was directed at the specific area
> that needed it.
>
> The composition of "salt" is always going to vary depending on its source.
> Any salt from anywhere (rock or sea) will contain mainly chloride, but
> also
> greater or lesser amounts of fluoride, bromide and iodide, besides
> countless
> other things. They are all very closely chemically related (halides,
> compounds of halogens) and can't easily be separated from each other. The
> chemical similarity would also the reason why high levels of fluoride have
> been reported to give "goitre" effects (low thyroid due to iodine
> deficiency). Normally the levels required are far beyond those which one
> could ingest in salt in food - but I guess salt baths and salt lamps could
> give you a higher dose. Difficult to know without actually measuring it,
> and testing the individual impact it has on your body. For anyone with
> hypothyroidism, though, (and this seems to be the case with quite a lot of
> ME/MCS/ES people), it does seem to be something to consider.
> Incidentally,
> brine baths, Dead Sea baths/mudpacks, and sea bathing will all give
> similar
> effects of exposure to a wide range of halides but evidently most people
> do
> not suffer any problems from them.
>
> Ian
>
> _____
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> tayloka_40
> Sent: 13 March 2006 05:10
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Himalayan Salt alert
>
>
> Andrew...I think the jist of the article is that salt is salt. No mountain
> makes it magical or
> any better, as for efficacy. It would stand to reason this salt would be
> higher in fluoride
> since the water table source is supposed to be exposed to fluorines in the
> earth.
>
> Similar to the fluorines found in tea. It is a wise eye to watch for
> fluoridation in all food
> processing. There are fluoridated water drinks for kids...Flo Go....a
> little
> dinasaur on the
> package with articial flavours....thankfully...LOLOLOL...no colour
> added...LMAO...
>
> No colour just fluoride so you can watch your kids glow in the dark....or
> bones melt...or
> thyroid...or ADD or ADHD or sterility or depression, teeth malformation,
> sterility.
>
> BUT.....it is good for you. The United States and Canada (we are the
> lemmings/sheep here)
> are the only countries that fluoridate water. Money talks. Need to dispose
> of a few
> thousand pounds of toxic...radioactive...fluoric acid (byproduct of
> smelting
> industrly)
>
> Oh...Oh...here is a good idea....let's put it up for sale...tell everyone
> it
> is good for them.
> Viola' we will teach these North Americans how to digest radiation...
>
> Go team go.
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:
>>
>> So does this mean that all Himalayan salt is high in Flouride or is
>> there a good source of Himalayan Salt and a bad source?
>> Andrew
>> On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:26 PM, snoshoe_2 wrote:
>>
>> > I ran across this the other day, so be careful to double, double check
>> > where your himalayan salt is coming from if that is the kind you use.
>> > http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/himalaya.html
>> >
>> > ~ Snoshoe
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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> Before we get too carried away on the anti-big business stuff, let's just
> remember the history of fluorides. It was observed nearly 100 years backby
> dentists in certain communities that a lot of the local population had
> mottled teeth, which was perceived as being unsightly. Then they did a few
> statistics and found that these people's teeth were a lot stronger and they
> had much fewer cavities and fillings. Investigations showed that the key
> factor was high natural levels of fluoride in the water. The push to get
> fluorides in toothpaste came jointly from the dental profession (with the
> laudable aim of reducing the number of fillings they had to do) and
> consumers. Fluoridation of water was proposed in quite a lot of communities
> in the UK and Europe as well as the US/Canada. I don't think many adopted
> it; there was some uncertainty, but also more of a feeling on cost grounds
> that it was wasteful to fluoridate a whole water supply when most of it
> would go down baths, sinks, toilets, hosepipes etc. Fluoride toothpaste
> seemed a more sensible way to go as it was directed at the specific area
> that needed it.
>  
> The composition of "salt" is always going to vary depending on its source.
> Any salt from anywhere (rock or sea) will contain mainly chloride, but also
> greater or lesser amounts of fluoride, bromide and iodide, besides countless
> other things. They are all very closely chemically related (halides,
> compounds of halogens) and can't easily be separated from each other. The
> chemical similarity would also the reason why high levels of fluoride have
> been reported to give "goitre" effects (low thyroid due to iodine
> deficiency). Normally the levels required are far beyond those which one
> could ingest in salt in food - but I guess salt baths and salt lamps could
> give you a higher dose. Difficult to know without actually measuring it,
> and testing the individual impact it has on your body. For anyone with
> hypothyroidism, though, (and this seems to be the case with quite a lot of
> ME/MCS/ES people), it does seem to be something to consider. Incidentally,
> brine baths, Dead Sea baths/mudpacks, and sea bathing will all give similar
> effects of exposure to a wide range of halides but evidently most people do
> not suffer any problems from them.
>  
> Ian
>
> _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> tayloka_40
> Sent: 13 March 2006 05:10
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Himalayan Salt alert
>
>
> Andrew...I think the jist of the article is that salt is salt. No mountain
> makes it magical or
> any better, as for efficacy. It would stand to reason this salt would be
> higher in fluoride
> since the water table source is supposed to be exposed to fluorines in the
> earth.
>
> Similar to the fluorines found in tea. It is a wise eye to watch for
> fluoridation in all food
> processing. There are fluoridated water drinks for kids...Flo Go....a little
> dinasaur on the
> package with articial flavours....thankfully...LOLOLOL...no colour
> added...LMAO...
>
> No colour just fluoride so you can watch your kids glow in the dark....or
> bones melt...or
> thyroid...or ADD or ADHD or sterility or depression, teeth malformation,
> sterility.
>
> BUT.....it is good for you. The United States and Canada (we are the
> lemmings/sheep here)
> are the only countries that fluoridate water. Money talks. Need to dispose
> of a few
> thousand pounds of toxic...radioactive...fluoric acid (byproduct of smelting
> industrly)
>
> Oh...Oh...here is a good idea....let's put it up for sale...tell everyoneit
> is good for them.
> Viola' we will teach these North Americans how to digest radiation...
>
> Go team go.
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> wrote:
> >
> > So does this mean that all Himalayan salt is high in Flouride or is
> > there a good source of Himalayan Salt and a bad source?
> > Andrew
> > On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:26 PM, snoshoe_2 wrote:
> >
> > > I ran across this the other day, so be careful to double, double check
> > > where your himalayan salt is coming from if that is the kind you use.
> > > http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/himalaya.html
> > >
> > > ~ Snoshoe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> Before we get too carried away on the anti-big business stuff, let's just
> remember the history of fluorides. It was observed nearly 100 years backby
> dentists in certain communities that a lot of the local population had
> mottled teeth, which was perceived as being unsightly. Then they did a few
> statistics and found that these people's teeth were a lot stronger and they
> had much fewer cavities and fillings. Investigations showed that the key
> factor was high natural levels of fluoride in the water. The push to get
> fluorides in toothpaste came jointly from the dental profession (with the
> laudable aim of reducing the number of fillings they had to do) and
> consumers. Fluoridation of water was proposed in quite a lot of communities
> in the UK and Europe as well as the US/Canada. I don't think many adopted
> it; there was some uncertainty, but also more of a feeling on cost grounds
> that it was wasteful to fluoridate a whole water supply when most of it
> would go down baths, sinks, toilets, hosepipes etc. Fluoride toothpaste
> seemed a more sensible way to go as it was directed at the specific area
> that needed it.
>  
> The composition of "salt" is always going to vary depending on its source.
> Any salt from anywhere (rock or sea) will contain mainly chloride, but also
> greater or lesser amounts of fluoride, bromide and iodide, besides countless
> other things. They are all very closely chemically related (halides,
> compounds of halogens) and can't easily be separated from each other. The
> chemical similarity would also the reason why high levels of fluoride have
> been reported to give "goitre" effects (low thyroid due to iodine
> deficiency). Normally the levels required are far beyond those which one
> could ingest in salt in food - but I guess salt baths and salt lamps could
> give you a higher dose. Difficult to know without actually measuring it,
> and testing the individual impact it has on your body. For anyone with
> hypothyroidism, though, (and this seems to be the case with quite a lot of
> ME/MCS/ES people), it does seem to be something to consider. Incidentally,
> brine baths, Dead Sea baths/mudpacks, and sea bathing will all give similar
> effects of exposure to a wide range of halides but evidently most people do
> not suffer any problems from them.
>  
> Ian
>
> _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> tayloka_40
> Sent: 13 March 2006 05:10
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Himalayan Salt alert
>
>
> Andrew...I think the jist of the article is that salt is salt. No mountain
> makes it magical or
> any better, as for efficacy. It would stand to reason this salt would be
> higher in fluoride
> since the water table source is supposed to be exposed to fluorines in the
> earth.
>
> Similar to the fluorines found in tea. It is a wise eye to watch for
> fluoridation in all food
> processing. There are fluoridated water drinks for kids...Flo Go....a little
> dinasaur on the
> package with articial flavours....thankfully...LOLOLOL...no colour
> added...LMAO...
>
> No colour just fluoride so you can watch your kids glow in the dark....or
> bones melt...or
> thyroid...or ADD or ADHD or sterility or depression, teeth malformation,
> sterility.
>
> BUT.....it is good for you. The United States and Canada (we are the
> lemmings/sheep here)
> are the only countries that fluoridate water. Money talks. Need to dispose
> of a few
> thousand pounds of toxic...radioactive...fluoric acid (byproduct of smelting
> industrly)
>
> Oh...Oh...here is a good idea....let's put it up for sale...tell everyoneit
> is good for them.
> Viola' we will teach these North Americans how to digest radiation...
>
> Go team go.
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> wrote:
> >
> > So does this mean that all Himalayan salt is high in Flouride or is
> > there a good source of Himalayan Salt and a bad source?
> > Andrew
> > On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:26 PM, snoshoe_2 wrote:
> >
> > > I ran across this the other day, so be careful to double, double check
> > > where your himalayan salt is coming from if that is the kind you use.
> > > http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/himalaya.html
> > >
> > > ~ Snoshoe
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Yahoo! Groups Links
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
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> I agree and am aware of the fluoride campaign to intentionally
> introduce fluoride into water and other products and also aluminum, and
> tons of other toxic substances. There is over 1000 tons of depleted
> uranium 238 that was used in bombs and artillery shells that were
> dropped and shot all over Iraq and Afghanistan that has a 1/2 life of
> over 4 billion years. That area is basically a wasteland for now and
> within my reality, forever.
> I get the agenda and know it is happening and I keep an eye on labels
> and continue to detox.
> What I want to know is if there is a good source of himalaya salts vs.
> a bad source. If anyone finds a low fluoride source, let me know.
> Thank you and I am glad you know about this too.
> Andrew
> On Mar 13, 2006, at 12:10 AM, tayloka_40 wrote:
>
> > Andrew...I think the jist of the article is that salt is salt. No
> > mountain makes it magical or
> > any better, as for efficacy. It would stand to reason this salt would
> > be higher in fluoride
> > since the water table source is supposed to be exposed to fluorines in
> > the earth.
> >
> > Similar to the fluorines found in tea. It is a wise eye to watch for
> > fluoridation in all food
> > processing. There are fluoridated water drinks for kids...Flo Go....a
> > little dinasaur on the
> > package with articial flavours....thankfully...LOLOLOL...no colour
> > added...LMAO...
> >
> > No colour just fluoride so you can watch your kids glow in the
> > dark....or bones melt...or
> > thyroid...or ADD or ADHD or sterility or depression, teeth
> > malformation, sterility.
> >
> > BUT.....it is good for you. The United States and Canada (we are the
> > lemmings/sheep here)
> > are the only countries that fluoridate water. Money talks. Need to
> > dispose of a few
> > thousand pounds of toxic...radioactive...fluoric acid (byproduct of
> > smelting industrly)
> >
> > Oh...Oh...here is a good idea....let's put it up for sale...tell
> > everyone it is good for them.
> > Viola' we will teach these North Americans how to digest radiation...
> >
> > Go team go.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> wrote:
> >>
> >> So does this mean that all Himalayan salt is high in Flouride or is
> >> there a good source of Himalayan Salt and a bad source?
> >> Andrew
> >> On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:26 PM, snoshoe_2 wrote:
> >>
> >>> I ran across this the other day, so be careful to double, double
> >>> check
> >>> where your himalayan salt is coming from if that is the kind you use.
> >>> http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/himalaya.html
> >>>
> >>> ~ Snoshoe
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> You are welcome, Andrew...I know all about fluoride, up close and
> personal like. I get to
> live it every day since my exposure to fluoric acid.
>
> I have, literally, turned into a "canary in the cave". I am
> hypersensative. Devestatingly so. A
> simple fluorescent bulb can leave me unable to breath, swallowing
> becomes difficult as the
> dust causes eshpogeal immotility, and it burns my skin, which is
> already coming off.
>
> Man...I just have no where where I can go....
>
> Karen
>
> --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@...> wrote:
>>
>> I agree and am aware of the fluoride campaign to intentionally
>> introduce fluoride into water and other products and also aluminum,
>> and
>> tons of other toxic substances. There is over 1000 tons of depleted
>> uranium 238 that was used in bombs and artillery shells that were
>> dropped and shot all over Iraq and Afghanistan that has a 1/2 life of
>> over 4 billion years. That area is basically a wasteland for now and
>> within my reality, forever.
>> I get the agenda and know it is happening and I keep an eye on labels
>> and continue to detox.
>> What I want to know is if there is a good source of himalaya salts vs.
>> a bad source. If anyone finds a low fluoride source, let me know.
>> Thank you and I am glad you know about this too.
>> Andrew
>> On Mar 13, 2006, at 12:10 AM, tayloka_40 wrote:
>>
>>> Andrew...I think the jist of the article is that salt is salt. No
>>> mountain makes it magical or
>>> any better, as for efficacy. It would stand to reason this salt would
>>> be higher in fluoride
>>> since the water table source is supposed to be exposed to fluorines
>>> in
>>> the earth.
>>>
>>> Similar to the fluorines found in tea. It is a wise eye to watch for
>>> fluoridation in all food
>>> processing. There are fluoridated water drinks for kids...Flo Go....a
>>> little dinasaur on the
>>> package with articial flavours....thankfully...LOLOLOL...no colour
>>> added...LMAO...
>>>
>>> No colour just fluoride so you can watch your kids glow in the
>>> dark....or bones melt...or
>>> thyroid...or ADD or ADHD or sterility or depression, teeth
>>> malformation, sterility.
>>>
>>> BUT.....it is good for you. The United States and Canada (we are the
>>> lemmings/sheep here)
>>> are the only countries that fluoridate water. Money talks. Need to
>>> dispose of a few
>>> thousand pounds of toxic...radioactive...fluoric acid (byproduct of
>>> smelting industrly)
>>>
>>> Oh...Oh...here is a good idea....let's put it up for sale...tell
>>> everyone it is good for them.
>>> Viola' we will teach these North Americans how to digest radiation...
>>>
>>> Go team go.
>>>
>>> Karen
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> So does this mean that all Himalayan salt is high in Flouride or is
>>>> there a good source of Himalayan Salt and a bad source?
>>>> Andrew
>>>> On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:26 PM, snoshoe_2 wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I ran across this the other day, so be careful to double, double
>>>>> check
>>>>> where your himalayan salt is coming from if that is the kind you
>>>>> use.
>>>>> http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/himalaya.html
>>>>>
>>>>> ~ Snoshoe
>>>>>
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> other things. They are all very closely chemically related (halides,
> compounds of halogens) and can't easily be separated from each other. The
> chemical similarity would also the reason why high levels of fluoride have
> been reported to give "goitre" effects (low thyroid due to iodine
> deficiency). Normally the levels required are far beyond those which one
> could ingest in salt in food - but I guess salt baths and salt lamps could
> give you a higher dose. Difficult to know without actually measuring it,
> and testing the individual impact it has on your body. For anyone with
> hypothyroidism, though, (and this seems to be the case with quite a lot of
> ME/MCS/ES people), it does seem to be something to consider.

> not suffer any problems from them.
>
> Ian
>
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> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> tayloka_40
> Sent: 13 March 2006 05:10
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Himalayan Salt alert
>
>
> Andrew...I think the jist of the article is that salt is salt. No mountain
> makes it magical or
> any better, as for efficacy. It would stand to reason this salt would be
> higher in fluoride
> since the water table source is supposed to be exposed to fluorines in the
> earth.
>
> Similar to the fluorines found in tea. It is a wise eye to watch for
> fluoridation in all food
> processing. There are fluoridated water drinks for kids...Flo Go....a

> dinasaur on the
> package with articial flavours....thankfully...LOLOLOL...no colour
> added...LMAO...
>
> No colour just fluoride so you can watch your kids glow in the dark....or
> bones melt...or
> thyroid...or ADD or ADHD or sterility or depression, teeth malformation,
> sterility.
>
> BUT.....it is good for you. The United States and Canada (we are the
> lemmings/sheep here)
> are the only countries that fluoridate water. Money talks. Need to dispose
> of a few
> thousand pounds of toxic...radioactive...fluoric acid (byproduct of

> is good for them.
> Viola' we will teach these North Americans how to digest radiation...
>
> Go team go.
>
> Karen
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> wrote:
> >
> > So does this mean that all Himalayan salt is high in Flouride or is
> > there a good source of Himalayan Salt and a bad source?
> > Andrew
> > On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:26 PM, snoshoe_2 wrote:
> >
> > > I ran across this the other day, so be careful to double, double check
> > > where your himalayan salt is coming from if that is the kind you use.
> > > http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/himalaya.html
> > >
> > > ~ Snoshoe
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> Hi Karen,
>  
> Yep, most of this is correct (and I do apologise that this is of course an
> extremely sensitive subject for you because of your nightmare experience
> with fluoric acid which has affected your whole life - I read your story
> with horror when you joined the group). But as I said, you can say similar
> things for chlorides, bromides, oxides, nitrates etc ... the atom must
> always be in its context. Chlorine and hydrogen chloride are nasty
> substances, almost as bad as fluorine and HF, but that does not mean we
> should be scared of all chlorides or the things that contain them.
>  
> Couple of points. I am in the UK, hence it is "proposals" to fluoridate
> water (which have been considered locally rather than nationally). Fluorine
> is (as you point out) an element, so it is not a hydrocarbon, which is a
> compound of carbon and hydrogen. And that, incidentally, means that every
> atom of fluorine is natural and has been around since the earth began,
> 99.99%+ in the form of fluorides, as fluorine is so incredibly reactive that
> it does not stay as the element for very long. A fluoride is simply a
> chemical compound containing one or more fluorine atoms.
>  
> Best wishes, Ian
>
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> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> tayloka_40
> Sent: 13 March 2006 16:56
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Fluoride
>
>
> Ian...water fluoridation proposal? Are you in Canada or the US? Canada
> Fluoridates. US
> Fluoridates. Most NA has adopted water fluoridation because it is cheap. My
> area started
> fluoridating in late 1980s. As far as what is reported to the WHO, only
> cities in Canada and
> the US DO fluoridate. No European countries fluoridate their water.
>
> The actual use of fluoride in products does NOT have 100 year history. At
> best....maybe
> 40.
>
> Fluorine is a naturally occuring element that was synthesized for use in
> commercial and
> industrial uses.
>
> Fluorine...the stuff that is naturally occuring in the earth has 9 protons
> and 10 nuetrons
> and when exposed to the atmosphere it is a COLOURLESS orderless gas. When
> coal is
> expposed to the processing cycle to make electricity, fluorine is the
> by-product. It is
> compressed in the coal.
>
> Fluorine, in my industry (oil & gas analysis), and I would suspect in most
> industries is
> considered a hydrocarbon. It is a constiuent in all fossil fuels...oil, gas,
> coal. Volcaoes emit
> fluorine gas, along with a host of other gases. Earth quakes emit fluorine
> gas.
>
> When Fluorine is in the atmosphere it combines with other airborne molecules
> and forms
> other gases that can have attributes of colour etc. When fluorine is exposed
> to sunlight it
> becomes hydrogen fluorine.
>
> The fluoride we use.....it is used in plastics, cooking products (teflon),
> PFOA products (all
> plastics basically), household cleaning products, transmission fluid, window
> washer fluid,
> jet liner fluid is stabalized with fluoric acid so it does not freeze at
> high altitudes. Fluoride
> is used in most poisons, herbacides...is it the primary constiuent in
> compound
> 1080...which by the way a BIG load is missing from Nebraska I think. Thatis
> the
> compound the germans discovered to quickly eliminate the rats in germany.It
> was very
> effective.
>
> It is used in medicine...like vioxx, celebrex, prozac, anesthetics, oh this
> list is too long for
> here. Toothpaste, whiteners....and if we think that fluoride is not reacting
> with sugars,
> chlorides, it is a bonding agent afferall....inside of our bodies then we
> have fooled
> ourselves by chemistry. The truth about chemistiry is that every moleculeon
> the face of
> this earth gets to do the proton/nuetron dance....I think I hear music to
> this...LOLOL....chemstiry is dynamic and keeps happening even when we cannot
> see those
> chemical reactions occur.
>
> Let me see, they use fluoridated water to reconstitute juice. In Canada, our
> Health Ministry
> issued a report about baby formula....a toxc cocktail that should bear a
> warning label.
> Canada could not PUBLISH that report in the US. Blocked by manufacturers.
> Who makes
> baby formula? There is fluoride in baby formula.
>
> Oh...US munitions are made from Uranium Hexa-fluoride. Gets real hot to
> pierce the
> tanks.
>
> Drip...drip....drip....adding a drop a day of fluoride from multiple sources
> puts most North
> Americans in the range of exposure between 10 to 20 mg a day. Let's just say
> you put a
> bottle of pop (soda), the ones contained in the plastic 2 litre containers,
> let that container
> stand in the sun....then measure the fluoride level of the pop. Fluoride
> leaks from the
> plastic because under low levels of heat it becomes unstable. This
> instability can be seen
> in all plastics. If those plastics store food....yep....dose of fluoride
> AGAIN!!!!!
>
> There are reports on what that quantity did to rats. DuPont has published
> this. Most of the
> ES symptoms discussed on this board are attributable to a calcium channel
> blocking agent.
>
> That is what electricty and light does. At various concentrations of course.
>
> This is not anti - big business.....no...it certainly is not...is for the
> advocation of
> responsible decision making regardless of how big your business is. I would
> suggest, that
> even if you had one employee....and you are responsble for products that
> touch
> millions...then I would say you have a "big" business and a responsibility
> to conduct that
> business in such way that causes no harm.
>
> Money over souls.
>
> Take care
>
> Karen
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@> wrote:
> >
> > Before we get too carried away on the anti-big business stuff, let's just
> > remember the history of fluorides. It was observed nearly 100 years back
> by
> > dentists in certain communities that a lot of the local population had
> > mottled teeth, which was perceived as being unsightly. Then they did a
> few
> > statistics and found that these people's teeth were a lot stronger and
> they
> > had much fewer cavities and fillings. Investigations showed that the key
> > factor was high natural levels of fluoride in the water. The push to get
> > fluorides in toothpaste came jointly from the dental profession (with the
> > laudable aim of reducing the number of fillings they had to do) and
> > consumers. Fluoridation of water was proposed in quite a lot of
> communities
> > in the UK and Europe as well as the US/Canada. I don't think many adopted
> > it; there was some uncertainty, but also more of a feeling on cost grounds
> > that it was wasteful to fluoridate a whole water supply when most of it
> > would go down baths, sinks, toilets, hosepipes etc. Fluoride toothpaste
> > seemed a more sensible way to go as it was directed at the specific area
> > that needed it.
> >  
> > The composition of "salt" is always going to vary depending on its source.
> > Any salt from anywhere (rock or sea) will contain mainly chloride, but
> also
> > greater or lesser amounts of fluoride, bromide and iodide, besides
> countless
> > other things. They are all very closely chemically related (halides,
> > compounds of halogens) and can't easily be separated from each other. The
> > chemical similarity would also the reason why high levels of fluoride have
> > been reported to give "goitre" effects (low thyroid due to iodine
> > deficiency). Normally the levels required are far beyond those which one
> > could ingest in salt in food - but I guess salt baths and salt lamps could
> > give you a higher dose. Difficult to know without actually measuring it,
> > and testing the individual impact it has on your body. For anyone with
> > hypothyroidism, though, (and this seems to be the case with quite a lotof
> > ME/MCS/ES people), it does seem to be something to consider.
> Incidentally,
> > brine baths, Dead Sea baths/mudpacks, and sea bathing will all give
> similar
> > effects of exposure to a wide range of halides but evidently most people
> do
> > not suffer any problems from them.
> >  
> > Ian
> >
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> > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> > tayloka_40
> > Sent: 13 March 2006 05:10
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Himalayan Salt alert
> >
> >
> > Andrew...I think the jist of the article is that salt is salt. No mountain
> > makes it magical or
> > any better, as for efficacy. It would stand to reason this salt would be
> > higher in fluoride
> > since the water table source is supposed to be exposed to fluorines in the
> > earth.
> >
> > Similar to the fluorines found in tea. It is a wise eye to watch for
> > fluoridation in all food
> > processing. There are fluoridated water drinks for kids...Flo Go....a
> little
> > dinasaur on the
> > package with articial flavours....thankfully...LOLOLOL...no colour
> > added...LMAO...
> >
> > No colour just fluoride so you can watch your kids glow in the dark....or
> > bones melt...or
> > thyroid...or ADD or ADHD or sterility or depression, teeth malformation,
> > sterility.
> >
> > BUT.....it is good for you. The United States and Canada (we are the
> > lemmings/sheep here)
> > are the only countries that fluoridate water. Money talks. Need to dispose
> > of a few
> > thousand pounds of toxic...radioactive...fluoric acid (byproduct of
> smelting
> > industrly)
> >
> > Oh...Oh...here is a good idea....let's put it up for sale...tell everyone
> it
> > is good for them.
> > Viola' we will teach these North Americans how to digest radiation...
> >
> > Go team go.
> >
> > Karen
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In [hidden email], Andrew McAfee <amcafeerr@> wrote:
> > >
> > > So does this mean that all Himalayan salt is high in Flouride or is
> > > there a good source of Himalayan Salt and a bad source?
> > > Andrew
> > > On Mar 10, 2006, at 8:26 PM, snoshoe_2 wrote:
> > >
> > > > I ran across this the other day, so be careful to double, double check
> > > > where your himalayan salt is coming from if that is the kind you use.
> > > > http://www.bruha.com/pfpc/html/himalaya.html
> > > >
> > > > ~ Snoshoe
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> Karen, thanks for the clarifications, I guess being a degree level
> chemist/chemical engineer myself, I like to be precise on the exact nature
> of chemicals and their effects - maybe too pedantic at times! Certainly I
> would never want to play down the dangers of hydrofluoric acid itself which
> are well known (I remember my father, a chemistry teacher, showing us at
> school a picture of a lab worker who had had a pinhole in her rubber glove
> and whose finger was reduced inside a minute to a charred stump). I must
> admit I found it hard to understand (if I correctly interpreted your
> original posts some weeks back) how the company seemed to have managed to
> evade responsibility and compensation for the damage you were caused, since
> the symptoms sound (unfortunately) classic poisoning by HF or similar.
> (Please note I also did not at any time say you were "over" sensitive on
> this).
>  
> Best wishes, Ian
>
> _____  
>
> From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of
> tayloka_40
> Sent: 15 March 2006 00:10
> To: [hidden email]
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Fluoride
>
>
> Ian, thank you for the thoughts. I wouldn't say I was "over" sensative to
> this issue. Despite
> my experience. It is my professional opinion, I feel after 20 years in the
> business and
> educational experience in the area (University Degree - Canadian) I feel
> entitled to make
> one.....if there were a "Grandfather" of all the elements it would be
> Fluorine.
>
> Fluorine as it is compressed in coal IS a considered what the petroleum
> industry calls a
> polyarmohydrocarbon. Fluorine is pervasive in its natural source...that
> being a "product" of
> fossil fuel carbon sources. All gases, I would contend, that eminate from
> this source would
> contain a fluorine attribute. It would bond in some way.
>
> Fluorine is what makes the earth's core hot. The molecular movement, which
> by itself is
> somewhat unique because of its structure, keeps the lava molten. The lava
> acts like
> cartilage between the plates of the earth.
>
> The lines in the press get "slurred" between fluorine and fluoride. The
> correct name for the
> chemical put into water for "purification" (HAHAHAHAH) purposes is mostlyin
> the form of
> hydrofluorosilicic acid). What is used in toothpaste is sodium fluoride.
>
> This being said, it is recognised by all industry reporting standards that
> hydrogen fluoride
> is regulated as a hazardous and toxic pollutant that requires special
> consideration for
> disposal and storage. The petroleum industry uses it pervasivly for refining
> petroleum
> products.
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Karen,
> >  
> > Yep, most of this is correct (and I do apologise that this is of coursean
> > extremely sensitive subject for you because of your nightmare experience
> > with fluoric acid which has affected your whole life - I read your story
> > with horror when you joined the group). But as I said, you can say
> similar
> > things for chlorides, bromides, oxides, nitrates etc ... the atom must
> > always be in its context. Chlorine and hydrogen chloride are nasty
> > substances, almost as bad as fluorine and HF, but that does not mean we
> > should be scared of all chlorides or the things that contain them.
> >  
> > Couple of points. I am in the UK, hence it is "proposals" to fluoridate
> > water (which have been considered locally rather than nationally).
> Fluorine
> > is (as you point out) an element, so it is not a hydrocarbon, which is a
> > compound of carbon and hydrogen. And that, incidentally, means that every
> > atom of fluorine is natural and has been around since the earth began,
> > 99.99%+ in the form of fluorides, as fluorine is so incredibly reactive
> that
> > it does not stay as the element for very long. A fluoride is simply a
> > chemical compound containing one or more fluorine atoms.
> >  
> > Best wishes, Ian
> >
> >
>
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