Hi everyone - Electrosensitivity

Hello everyone,

I just wanted to introduce myself... I've had severe ES for a number
of years now (facial skin itching, burning, lesions) and I've set-up
and realised a website http://www.electrosensitivity.org where I
provide basic information and advice on electrosensitivity. You can
view my story at http://www.electrosensitivity.org/mystory.htm (I
will be posting more photo's and information on how I manage to use
computer etc. soon).

It's my own corner of the web where, hopefully, I can do my bit
amongst all the work that other people are doing, to enhance the
awareness of this condition where possible.

Obviously everyone is differentand there is perhaps a whole
multitude of mechanisms that underly electrosensitivity. But I can
say that since dicovering I had ES (maybe 4-6 years ago), I have  
have undergone a series of detoxification treatments and I am
pleased to say I am around 50% CURED!

I have found the 2 most effective treatments for me to be:
1) Sauna therapy - L Ron Hubbards controversial detoxification
program
2) Hulda Clark's Liver flushes - Notice a significant improvement
after each flush

Troy

Hey, Troy!

Nice to meet you. Great to hear you are doing so well! I have been researching both treatments you mentioned helped you most--the L Ron Hubbard detox program and Hulda Clark's liver flush! Did you do the L Ron Hubbard treatment on your own thru his book or did you go to a treatment center, if I may ask? I was wondering how hard it is to do yourself, if you know? (I am familiar with the various parts of the treatment--niacin flush, FIR sauna, frequent showering, supplements, exercise....) I have not read his book yet as it is out of print. I got the various steps of the treatment online (at www.nydetox.org), but was not sure I could do the supplemental part on my own. So any info or advise you have, I would love to hear.

I also have come a long way by detoxing (from mostly bed-bound to able to do gardening, housework, etc; tho I still have some stamina issues from time to time). However, I still have much detoxing to do. I have spent the last year detoxing, but have recently been told by my nutritionist that he thinks I have been recycling alot of the toxins back into my adipose fat and organs. (My elimination systems--lymphs, liver, kidneys--are fairly dysfunctional due to the damage of 4 decades of untreated celiac disease.) Anyway, I would be very interested in anything you have to say about either of these therapies. Welcome to the group!

Diane

Troy Knight <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello everyone,

I just wanted to introduce myself... I've had severe ES for a number
of years now (facial skin itching, burning, lesions) and I've set-up
and realised a website http://www.electrosensitivity.org where I
provide basic information and advice on electrosensitivity. You can
view my story at http://www.electrosensitivity.org/mystory.htm (I
will be posting more photo's and information on how I manage to use
computer etc. soon).

It's my own corner of the web where, hopefully, I can do my bit
amongst all the work that other people are doing, to enhance the
awareness of this condition where possible.

Obviously everyone is differentand there is perhaps a whole
multitude of mechanisms that underly electrosensitivity. But I can
say that since dicovering I had ES (maybe 4-6 years ago), I have
have undergone a series of detoxification treatments and I am
pleased to say I am around 50% CURED!

I have found the 2 most effective treatments for me to be:
1) Sauna therapy - L Ron Hubbards controversial detoxification
program
2) Hulda Clark's Liver flushes - Notice a significant improvement
after each flush

Troy








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Very good site, Troy. You did a great job!  
Diane

Troy Knight <[hidden email]> wrote:
Hello everyone,

I just wanted to introduce myself... I've had severe ES for a number
of years now (facial skin itching, burning, lesions) and I've set-up
and realised a website http://www.electrosensitivity.org where I
provide basic information and advice on electrosensitivity. You can
view my story at http://www.electrosensitivity.org/mystory.htm (I
will be posting more photo's and information on how I manage to use
computer etc. soon).

It's my own corner of the web where, hopefully, I can do my bit
amongst all the work that other people are doing, to enhance the
awareness of this condition where possible.

Obviously everyone is differentand there is perhaps a whole
multitude of mechanisms that underly electrosensitivity. But I can
say that since dicovering I had ES (maybe 4-6 years ago), I have  
have undergone a series of detoxification treatments and I am
pleased to say I am around 50% CURED!

I have found the 2 most effective treatments for me to be:
1) Sauna therapy - L Ron Hubbards controversial detoxification
program
2) Hulda Clark's Liver flushes - Notice a significant improvement
after each flush

Troy








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Evie wrote:
> Very good site, Troy. You did a great job!

Yes, a nice site indeed!

Two comments:

1) I see several links to various places on the
net about ES, but no link to this group here.
Are we not the most important ES site there
is? :-)

2) The site seems a bit heavy on the sentiment
about nobody knowing the cause or the cure of
ES, although I think it's fairly obvious that
it's all down to toxicity and nutrition. Science
and medicine can stall and claim ignorance for
the next few decades while the folks here will
be long-since recovered via self-treatment.

Marc

Hi Diane,

Thanks for the site comments. :-)

I did the sauna therapy from home for one month. It consisted of -
as you say - niacin flush, sauna, showering, excercise and so on.
The book I used was 'Clear Body, Clear Mind' which is currently
available on amazon.com. It was fairly rigourous and it takes up
most of the day (lots of rest to recover). As far as the
supplemental part goes, I consulted the book and ordered a huge
amount of vitamins & supplements and spent ages working out the
exact amounts ot take of everything. After about a week though, I
felt just so sick from them that I just took what I could (which
wasn;t much) and carried on with the rest of the program.

I have to say, I was a bit dejected after completing it as it didn't
seem to make a lot of difference at first. But I gradually began to
notice the improvements in the coming weeks & months afterwards.
from what I gather from the book, you will notice perhaps half the
improvement right after the program, and then the body will detoxify
itself for up to a year afterwards. I think that is the case for me.

I would say do it if you can. I ordered a home sauna unit from the
MCS relief company - which I would recomend (although last time I
looked, their site had vanished from the web). I will send you the
number of Fred Nelson who builds them if you want via personal
email. i beleive I paid about £500 ($900), or was it $500?!. I can't
remember, but it's good value.

As for the Hulda Clark liver flushes, i found them excellent. I have
done about 7. Right after the first one, I notied that my symtpoms
were significantly improved.

Keep in touch and let me know how any of it goes!

Troy

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
>
> Hey, Troy!
>    
> Nice to meet you. Great to hear you are doing so well! I have
been researching both treatments you mentioned helped you most--the
L Ron Hubbard detox program and Hulda Clark's liver flush! Did you
do the L Ron Hubbard treatment on your own thru his book or did you
go to a treatment center, if I may ask? I was wondering how hard it
is to do yourself, if you know? (I am familiar with the various
parts of the treatment--niacin flush, FIR sauna, frequent showering,
supplements, exercise....) I have not read his book yet as it is
out of print. I got the various steps of the treatment online (at
www.nydetox.org), but was not sure I could do the supplemental part
on my own. So any info or advise you have, I would love to hear.  
>    
> I also have come a long way by detoxing (from mostly bed-bound
to able to do gardening, housework, etc; tho I still have some
stamina issues from time to time). However, I still have much
detoxing to do. I have spent the last year detoxing, but have
recently been told by my nutritionist that he thinks I have been
recycling alot of the toxins back into my adipose fat and organs.  
(My elimination systems--lymphs, liver, kidneys--are fairly
dysfunctional due to the damage of 4 decades of untreated celiac
disease.) Anyway, I would be very interested in anything you have
to say about either of these therapies. Welcome to the group!
>    
> Diane
>
> Troy Knight <mentalwealth@...> wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> I just wanted to introduce myself... I've had severe ES for a
number
> of years now (facial skin itching, burning, lesions) and I've set-
up
> and realised a website http://www.electrosensitivity.org where I
> provide basic information and advice on electrosensitivity. You
can
> view my story at http://www.electrosensitivity.org/mystory.htm (I
> will be posting more photo's and information on how I manage to
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Hi Marc,


> 1) > Are we not the most important ES site there
> is? :-)

Done! I have added it under the forums/mailing lists section.


> 2) The site seems a bit heavy on the sentiment
> about nobody knowing the cause or the cure of
> ES, although I think it's fairly obvious that
> it's all down to toxicity and nutrition. Science
> and medicine can stall and claim ignorance for
> the next few decades while the folks here will
> be long-since recovered via self-treatment.


I absolutely agree. From where I'm standing, it certainly appears to
be toxicity for me and lots of other people. I try to give a
balanced view of the situation though, and try not to lean too
heavily in one direction and give people false hope. But as I said
in my previous post, I am 50% cured from doing detox treatments, and
believe there is definately a way out of this condition.

I'll keep reading the archived posts here, but it would be great to
hear about any treatments which people have found effective, so I
can post them on the site.

Troy

Welcome Troy,

You did a good job on that site, especially for your young age. I
sent a link of your story to some friends whose teenage son about
lives at the monitor. Being closer to his age, I think he may pay
attention and make some adjustments, or at least be aware when
symptoms would arise. :)

**** Hey all, I found recently in the U.S. that some insurance co.
will pay for home infrared saunas if Rx'd by a Dr. for pain
management. I don't know if this includes Medicaid, but it's
approved by the FDA, so it might be worth your checking into.

~ Snoshoe

--- In [hidden email], "Troy Knight" <mentalwealth@...> wrote:
>
> Hello everyone,
>
> I just wanted to introduce myself... I've had severe ES for a
number
> of years now (facial skin itching, burning, lesions) and I've set-
up

Hi again, Troy,

First and foremost, avoiding and eliminating as many toxins as possible from my environment has helped. This included, for me, many foods, esp gluten grains and bean and soy flours, almost all processed foods, sugar and sweeteners of all ilks. I also eliminated all cleaning chemicals, anti-perspirants, hair spray, makeup, etc, etc, etc. No teflon, petrochemicals, and I avoid chlorine and fluoride and as much plastics as possible, tho I find these to be evermore elusive. I avoid exhaust fumes and smoke from fires and ciggies, etc, as much as possible. I also avoid emfs and the like as much as possible.

EFT and slapping above my wrists and ankles, the top of my head, beating on my breast bone, collar bone, etc, seems to help me. (When I am feeling brain foggy and like my lymphs are sluggish.)

Very low carb diet helps get the toxins out of fat, but once you get them out you have to be able to get them totally out of the body, which is where I have had most problems. Even so, I have done alot along that line which includes:

Epsom salts and sea salt soaking (helps to open pores in skin and pulls out debris);

Showering and washing hair at least once a day--I mainly detox thru my skin and scalp, so this has been important for me. I should actually do it much more often than that but there are only so many minutes in a day!

Rebounding on a mini-tramp (helps lymph fluid to move more effectively)

Drinking alot more water, quality filtered and negative hydrogen ion water (toxic wastes are acidic and can lead to metabolic acidosis)

More electrolytes (and these have even more effect with the alkaline water--has to do with zeta potential of the blood to carry toxins. Snoshoe sent a site awhile back about this which I can resend if you are interested.)

Supplements that help--well, for me, that has been almost every supplement I have tried due to having multiple nutrient deficiencies from celiac disease. However, these are the ones that have helped my lymphatics and their symptoms:

Pantethine--start small and work up to 8 or 10 (300mg) caps/day in 3 doses or more

Calcium AEP--start small and work up to 8 or 10 caps/day in 3 doses or more (this is 100mg calcium 2 amino ethanol phosphate with 900mg of amino ethanol phosphate added)

CoQ10--work up to 300mg/day in divided doses

Molybdenum, chromium picolinate, selenium, alpha lipoeic acid--could barely tolerate each of these at first due to them moving toxins; I had to break apart caps for all of these and the previously listed ones and take fractions of caps to begin with. Molybdenun is something most would not need. I need it because I do not eat grains, but it made a big difference for me.

There are various other supplements that have helped alot but I'm not sure whether it was in a detoxing capacity, so I will stop there.

Since I am having liver detox pathway problems, my nutritionist has suggested new supplements. I have just received these today and have not tried them yet. These are sold by him but you can probably find like products elsewhere:

Sulphur Plus--for the sulphonization pathway--MSM sulphur + Trimethylglycine
Daily Balancer--for the glutathione pathway--it is a mix of amino acids and root extracts

The liver detox pathway problems, we have decided, are probably why I am having problems with many toxins to begin with. I realized this problem while researching detoxing and brought it to his attention.

He also has suggested high fiber which gives the toxins something to hold onto during elimination (6 grams of psyllium or other fiber). But my digestive tract is not able to handle more than half a gram, so we are working on healing my digestive tract further with glutamine, etc. He has made me aware, tho, that this is where I am having a breakdown of moving the toxins out. He was very concerned about this (I wasn't, but he has made me aware that this can be a very dangerous condition, as I am reconcentrating toxins into less fat and more organs if they are not coming out thru bowel, etc, once I mobilize them. He was so concerned that he wants me to stop losing weight and gain weight until I have the fiber problem worked out.)

These are what have helped me (off the top of my head lol),
Diane

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Karen,

I consulted one my ES experts about your discharge problems,
and they agreed that these symptoms are indeed considered
to be part of ES, and are not known under a separate name.
They noted that these symptoms are commonly seen with people
who have near-death experiences (!).

They provided some suggestions:

* wear grounded shoes
* wear cotton clothing instead of synthetics
* avoid metal jewelry, zippers, snaps
* detox heavy metals, raise body pH

But I suspect that you are doing all these things already...

Marc

Hi Troy,

My name is Karen, I have fluorosis, a skeltal bone condition caused by WAY too much
electiricty via chemicals I was exposed to at work.

You, young sir, have done a tremendous job! Both in pulling yourself together and in
putting that informative web site up. Just a great collection of information organized well,
easy to read, and informative.

I hope you find the inforamtion in this group useful to you. I would hope that you put its
link on your web site. There is much information and exchange of ideas where
collaboration and communication could greatly enhance understanding of thisvery serious
and debilitating condition.

Welcome...

Karen

--- In [hidden email], "Troy Knight" <mentalwealth@...> wrote:

Hi, Marc,
   
Thanks so much for doing the research into this! I have had problems with discharge symptoms most of my life and have actually had several near death experiences (tho by that I do not mean the kind where people leave theirbodies and hover outside them or go to other places). I cannot imagine how that would enter into the equation, but it is an interesting finding.  
   
I have had discharge symptoms since I was at least 6 yo, tho, which was before I had my near-death experiences. When I was 6 yo my father gave me aCinderella watch for Christmas. It was the first in a long line of watches and batteries that died in my care.
 
I have always thought the salt on my skin is somehow part of the problem. Karen mentions a glitter to her skin, too. You techie guys might be able to go somewhere with this, where I haven't got a clue. But, is there some sort of electrical link to salt which would cause discharge? When I was little, I used to suck the back of my hand which always tasted salty and glistened (my skin was glittery all over). I also notice that the discharges get worse when I have had a particularly bad toxic exposure.
   
Thanks Marc,
Diane
Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
Karen,

I consulted one my ES experts about your discharge problems,
and they agreed that these symptoms are indeed considered
to be part of ES, and are not known under a separate name.
They noted that these symptoms are commonly seen with people
who have near-death experiences (!).

They provided some suggestions:

* wear grounded shoes
* wear cotton clothing instead of synthetics
* avoid metal jewelry, zippers, snaps
* detox heavy metals, raise body pH

But I suspect that you are doing all these things already...

Marc

   
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Yeah...it was near death all right. A little too near. You know, Marc, I have often said that it
felt like I died. Really.

So basically, I keep doing what I am doing. Could you determine or ask someone, what
temperature should I be? I am comfortable at an ambient 114 - 127 F. How much should I
weigh? I kind of like this weight now at 152 but I am still pretty small, by mass.

I feel like I have more electricity than items I use. I interfere? Impede signal? Is it possible
for a human to be regressed by ionization?

My blood work is extremely peculiar. I don't show any heavy metal, there isno toxicity of
any kind (that is now at my last test 5 weeks ago), but it also shows that I have no signs of
aging. (????????) All the measures for blood profile, sed, and panels come back with results
that show a teenage girl in puberty?

I would appreciate any help anybody could give me as to why this is happening. I have
removed all jewelry, I am remineralizing like crazy, well, consistent and persistant at it
with calcium, magnesium, potassium, zinc, boron, silica, there are others for liver support
and adrenals.

Thanks,

Karen

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Marc...one more thing...What PH am I? What PH should I be? I am not normal by
temperature and I would think this would affect the PH?

sorry to keep bugging you....

Karen

--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

I read tonight that a Dr Sattori who has been studying Near death
experiences has found that people who claim to have undergone a NDE are often become
electrically sensitive as if their body voltage/polarity has undergone some
change. It made the hairs on the back of my neck stand up as I had last rights
when I was a kid ! and just how co-incedences go as I type this a man on the
radio said Near death experience !!! spooky !!!!
I can get the Drs email details if you wish.


Paul


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> My blood work is extremely peculiar. I don't show any heavy metal, there is no toxicity of
> any kind (that is now at my last test 5 weeks ago), but it also shows that I have no signs of
> aging. (????????) All the measures for blood profile, sed, and panels come back with results
> that show a teenage girl in puberty?

That is all very odd. You know, in the new age community, you hear
rumblings that the human race is undergoing some sort of transformation,
with added DNA strands coming online or some such thing. Perhaps you're
ahead of us all in this transformation?

Marc

tayloka_40 wrote:
> Marc...one more thing...What PH am I? What PH should I be? I am not normal by
> temperature and I would think this would affect the PH?

Supposedly, if you take a pH strip and test your saliva or urine, it
should be around 6.5 to 7.0. I think there is some variation depending
on what you have eaten and what time of day it is. However, chronically
ill people typically have a lower pH -- mine was about 5.5 years ago --
which is way too low -- but more recently it's been in the 6.0 to 7.0
range.

Marc

Don't I feel special...where could I read a little about what the theorist here are saying?

Thanks,

Karen
--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
> > My blood work is extremely peculiar. I don't show any heavy metal, there is no toxicity
of
> > any kind (that is now at my last test 5 weeks ago), but it also shows that I have no
signs of
> > aging. (????????) All the measures for blood profile, sed, and panels come back with
results
> > that show a teenage girl in puberty?
>
> That is all very odd. You know, in the new age community, you hear
> rumblings that the human race is undergoing some sort of transformation,
> with added DNA strands coming online or some such thing. Perhaps you're
> ahead of us all in this transformation?
>
> Marc
>

Hi Paul, this is interesting.

I wouldn't mind writing to this Dr. I am just curious about how to manage this part and
would like some guidance. If there is any....if not....I have been "winging" it so far with
pretty good results.

What happened to you as a child? Do you remember any of your experience? Did you have
a NDE?

I do find what is happening fascinating, that which goes against what has been taught to
be expected or anticipated as possible.

Karen

--- In [hidden email], paulpjc@... wrote:
>
> I read tonight that a Dr Sattori who has been studying Near death  
> experiences has found that people who claim to have undergone a NDE are often  
become

tayloka_40 wrote:
> Don't I feel special...where could I read a little about what the theorist here are saying?

Well, I don't know if it's relevant to your case or not...
I'm pretty much grasping at straws, as your case seems
so unusual.

I guess I was thinking of what is known as "indigos",
although I might have also been referring to something
known as "22 strand DNA activation". For example:

http://www.thetadnaactivation.com/medical6.html

But again, this is just a wild guess... it could
also simply be a case of toxicity that is not
showing up on the tests, either because they
are testing for the wrong toxins, or your body
is not releasing them into the bloodstream.

Marc

Sorry.,..didn't mean to sound sarcastic, I just wish someone would come along...like me
you know...LOLOL...making me first, but not special. It would be nice to have someone to
joke with...about the things that happened that were so scary and how we buttressed
up...ROFL..being so skinny and all...LOLOLOL...

Yes. I appreciate the extreme of my symptoms.

I have seen some information about these indigos. Indigo children. I believe 60 minutes
had a special. Could have been another news program, but it was on television. I think I
met one. Very strange. She was 14 walked into my kitchen and she looked at me and
said...you are like the woman in the movie Family Stone. Her father, who knows of my
condition, just about had to pick his jaw up off the floor. Man...what kidswon't say eh?

Thanks, Marc...I appreciate all the input to consider. At this point, mine is speculation and
intrigue. Like a good movie mystery or better yet, one heck of a SciFi.

Karen


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