Heart spasms and arrythmias

> From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 4:47 PM
>
> Hey Diane,
> Wow...about the not being able to take Iodine or Kelp.
> Have you ever tried putting a drop of Nascent Iodine on the
> belly button?
> I know this sounds really weird, but I have a friend who
> couldn't tolerate IOdine orally..
> because essential oils are s/times used on the "belly
> button", I suggested she try
> putting a drp of Iodine (only the NAscent..this is a form
> easier for the body to use)...
> in her belly button. And it worked...she was able to do it
> that way w/out any side effects.
> She has many many health issues (fatty
> liver/diabetes/candida/ etc)
> It took her 6 mths of doing the belly button with Iodine
> before she could tolerate
> taking it in a glass of water.
> Just wondering,
> Lizzie
>
>
>
> To: [hidden email]
> From: [hidden email]
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 12:48:24 -0700
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Hi Diane,
>
> I do take a lot of supplements for both of these problems
> and all my other health problems. I am going crazy taking so
> many supplements every day - not to even mention the cost. I
> know they do help me but I still am not doing well. Anybody
> else have this frustration?
>
> Cheryl
> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, Evie <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> From: Evie <[hidden email]>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 12:30 PM
>
>  
>
> Hmmmm, Cheryl,
>
> Well, yes, that does sound like it could have been directly
> caused by emfs or very bad stress of some sort.  One
> thing to note here, tho... this would be a red flag to keep
> your thyroid well nourished (and adrenals, too).
>
> Diane
>
> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> From: Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]>
>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
>
> To: [hidden email]
>
> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 3:14 PM
>
>  
>
> Hi Diane,
>
> Thanks for your quick response.
>
> I don't seem to have any reactions to foods with gluten but
> I am checking labels more carefully now. I seem to have many
> of the common symptoms of gluten intolerance.
>
> I am assuming that soy products effect estrogen levels
> which in turn effect the adrenal and thyroid. Does that make
> sense to you?
>
> Any ideas as to why my thyroid went from severely
> hyperactive to 90% better overnight? It was a good thing
> that the severity of it ended and never returned. But I
> still puzzle over how something like that could change
> overnight. It was delightfully strange.
>
> Cheryl
>
> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, Evie <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> From: Evie <[hidden email]>
>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
>
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> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 11:46 AM
>
>  
>
> Hi, Cheryl,
>
> I have also had the same experience--hypothyroid on and
> off.  I finally tracked that down to eating too many
> soy products.  Soy products (and various other things)
> interfere with thyroid function. 
>
> As to what Elizabeth is saying, tho, we do often need extra
> nutrients to help our thyroids, even when we are getting
> enough iodine.  The same is true of our adrenals. 
> I personally cannot use iodine directly; all celiacs are
> intolerant of iodine.  I can once in awhile put a bit
> of potassium iodide in 16 oz of water (2 or 3 drops) and
> drink it.  However, if I use this on an on-going basis,
> I end up with rusty palms and feet, and feel ill.  I
> also get rusty palms and feet from kelp.  Cheryl, if
> you are gluten-intolerant, your thyroid can often go off and
> on like that.  Just an idea to check, if you haven't
> yet. 
>
> Bless you,
>
> Diane
>
> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> From: Cheryl Griffing <[hidden email]>
>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
>
> To: [hidden email]
>
> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 2:09 PM
>
>  
>
> Hi Elizabeth,
>
> I was wondering if electrical sensitivity and thyroid
> problems are strongly related. I have a hyperthyroid and at
> one time it was severe and then moderate and then severely
> hypo. Have others experienced these thyroid problems?
>
> I have found the Thyroid Patient Advocacy to be very
> informative and they also recommend the book you mentioned.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> Cheryl
>
> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
> wrote:
>
> From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
>
> To: [hidden email]
>
> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 10:49 AM
>
> Hi,
>
> Wouldn't it be nice if it was that simple..just take zinc?
>
>
> The reality is, low in one mineral is usually low  on
> others as well.
>
> So, the question is: what in the body controls how we
> absorb
>
> and digest nutrients? Answer: the thyroid. People, while
> that Thyroid gland
>
> may be very small...but it is foolish to discount how VERY
> powerful
>
> that little gland really is.....and if the thryoid isn't
> working right,
>
> nothing in the body will work right.
>
> Those fissures are very painful...I know, I used to get
> them alot.
>
> Waking up ravenous...starving sounds like Thryoid/Adrenal.
> Thryoid
>
> regulates metabolism, adrenals regulate blood sugar levels.
>
>
> Thryoid regulates the heart. My bet is on the thryoid...A
> really good book
>
> to read is written by: Dr. Barry Durrant-Peatsfield, (he's
> from the UK)
>
> I have his original book, same book, american publishers
> had him change the title-
>
> (The Great Thryoid Scandal and HOw to Survive It- was the
> original title)
>
> **As for cracks on hands...I think this is just one of many
> signs of candida.
>
> I found using: Sea Buckthorn OIl (www.mountainroseherbs.com
> ) and an essential
>
> oil blend called: Melrose (www.youngliving.com)
>
> mixed with coconut oil helped heal these very painful
> cracks. Sea Buckthorn Oil is called
>
> the Omega 7. Originally I had an organic lotion from Aubrey
> Organics called: SEa Buckthorn
>
> & cucumber with Ester-C that I mixed with the Melrose
> Oil. But that lotion is very expensive..
>
> so I decided to try my own little mixture, seeing that I
> was paying 16. dollars for a 4 fl oz
>
> of the Aubreys lotion. You do have to warm up the coconut
> oil, so an easier way to do this
>
> is to use organic Olive Oil, or Apricot Oil, and mix in 2
> oz of Olive OIl, to 5 drops each of
>
> the Melrose and Sea Buckthorn Oil. Rub this mixture on your
> hands and before bed,
>
> put some on, and put a cotton pair of ankle socks or cotton
> gloves on your hands.
>
> I found that this mixture, because the Melrose Oil is a
> very strong Anti-Fungal..
>
> this is what is needed to combat candida.
>
> IN a pinch, pure Lavender Essential Oil, a few drps right
> on the heart, will make the
>
> arthymia stop and is safe. My daughter s/times gets this
> heart thing, when exposed to
>
> emf's. You can get the Lavender Oil from youngliving, as
> well.
>
> This will help the symptoms...the cause is more then likely
> the thryoid.
>
> Many who have their blood tested for thryoid are told they
> are "normal">
>
> Look up: The Barnes BAsal Temperature TEst....this is
> somethng you can do
>
> at home, for free, that will tell you if your thryoid is
> out of balance. No doctors,
>
> no fees, just a pad of paper, a pen, a thermometer, and the
> willingness to
>
> take your temp before you get up every morning, for a week,
> and then average
>
> out your temp. Anythng under 97.6 means the thyroid is not
> working right.
>
> **I have also mentioned in other posts the importance of
> Magnesium and heart health. Soaking in
>
> a Magnesium bath, or doing foot soaks bypasses the liver
> having to digest yet another
>
> supplement...and for many, typical pill forms of magnesium
> are not easily absorbed, and gives
>
> people problems. Absorbing thru the skin, called:
> trandermal therapy, works quite well,
>
> as the SKIN is the body's largest organ.
>
> Blessings of Many,
>
> Lizzie
>
> Amazon.com: Your Thyroid and How to Keep It Healthy
> ... 
>
> www.amazon.com › Books › Health, Mind & Body -
> CachedSimilar
>
> 9 reviews - $29.99 - In stockDr Durrant-Peatfield covers
> this crucial subject completely and with perfect clarity ...
> I recommend to you the book by Barry Durrant Peatfield,
> "Your Thyroid and
>
> To: [hidden email]
>
> From: [hidden email]
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:19:55 +0000
>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
>
>  
>
> Zinc deficiency can cause exactly that.
>
> --- In [hidden email],
> "furstc0404" <furstc0404@...> wrote:
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Its very difficult in this case to explain my cluster
> of symptoms
>
> > due to restrictive socialized health system in the UK.
> GPs
>
> > refuse a glucose challenge test, because my blood
> sugar level
>
> > show normal despite the fact that it is often normal
> for various
>
> > type of metabolic insulin disfunction such as
> hyperinsulemia for
>
> > eg..
>
> >
>
> > The hunger pangs with arrythmias worse in the mornings
> could be
>
> > diabetes, or some other metabolic dysfunction, but for
> sure, there is
>
> > also deficiency in nutrients due to a very limited
> diet for many years.
>
> >
>
> > Those severe and acute hunger pangs could be a number
> of things.
>
> > I will need to work this out without much help from
> doctors.
>
> >
>
> > The fissures on my fingers are signs of.....??????
>
> > Not caused by dry crackling skin, its spontaneous
> small
>
> > fissures, one or two, painful but am more worried
> about the
>
> > cause. At one point I had those on my heels too, but
> more
>
> > so on fingers.
>
> >
>
> > Anyone knows???
>
> >
>
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> Zinc deficiency can cause exactly that.
>
> --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Its very difficult in this case to explain my cluster of symptoms
> > due to restrictive socialized health system in the UK.  GPs
> > refuse a glucose challenge test, because my blood sugar level
> > show normal despite the fact that it is often normal for various
> > type of metabolic insulin disfunction such as hyperinsulemia for
> > eg..
> >
> > The hunger pangs with arrythmias worse in the mornings could be
> > diabetes, or some other metabolic dysfunction, but for sure, there is
> > also deficiency in nutrients due to a very limited diet for many years.
> >
> > Those severe and acute hunger pangs could be a number of things.
> > I will need to work this out without much help from doctors.
> >
> > The fissures on my fingers are signs of.....??????
> > Not caused by dry crackling skin, its spontaneous small
> > fissures, one or two, painful but am more worried about the
> > cause.  At one point I had those on my heels too, but more
> > so on fingers.
> >
> > Anyone knows???
> >
>

>
>
> Hi,
> Wouldn't it be nice if it was that simple..just take zinc?
> The reality is, low in one mineral is usually low  on others as well.
> So, the question is: what in the body controls how we absorb
> and digest nutrients? Answer: the thyroid. People, while that Thyroid gland
> may be very small...but it is foolish to discount how VERY powerful
> that little gland really is.....and if the thryoid isn't working right,
> nothing in the body will work right.
> Those fissures are very painful...I know, I used to get them alot.
> Waking up ravenous...starving sounds like Thryoid/Adrenal. Thryoid
> regulates metabolism, adrenals regulate blood sugar levels.
> Thryoid regulates the heart. My bet is on the thryoid...A really good book
> to read is written by: Dr. Barry Durrant-Peatsfield, (he's from the UK)
> I have his original book, same book, american publishers had him change the title-
> (The Great Thryoid Scandal and HOw to Survive It- was the original title)
> **As for cracks on hands...I think this is just one of many signs of candida.
> I found using: Sea Buckthorn OIl (www.mountainroseherbs.com ) and an essential
> oil blend called: Melrose (www.youngliving.com)
> mixed with coconut oil helped heal these very painful cracks. Sea Buckthorn Oil is called
> the Omega 7. Originally I had an organic lotion from Aubrey Organics called: SEa Buckthorn
> & cucumber with Ester-C that I mixed with the Melrose Oil. But that lotion is very expensive..
> so I decided to try my own little mixture, seeing that I was paying 16. dollars for a 4 fl oz
> of the Aubreys lotion. You do have to warm up the coconut oil, so an easier way to do this
> is to use organic Olive Oil, or Apricot Oil, and mix in 2 oz of Olive OIl, to 5 drops each of
> the Melrose and Sea Buckthorn Oil. Rub this mixture on your hands and before bed,
> put some on, and put a cotton pair of ankle socks or cotton gloves on your hands.
> I found that this mixture, because the Melrose Oil is a very strong Anti-Fungal..
> this is what is needed to combat candida.
> IN a pinch, pure Lavender Essential Oil, a few drps right on the heart, will make the
> arthymia stop and is safe. My daughter s/times gets this heart thing, when exposed to
> emf's. You can get the Lavender Oil from youngliving, as well.
> This will help the symptoms...the cause is more then likely the thryoid.
> Many who have their blood tested for thryoid are told they are "normal">
> Look up: The Barnes BAsal Temperature TEst....this is somethng you can do
> at home, for free, that will tell you if your thryoid is out of balance. No doctors,
> no fees, just a pad of paper, a pen, a thermometer, and the willingness to
> take your temp before you get up every morning, for a week, and then average
> out your temp. Anythng under 97.6 means the thyroid is not working right.
>  
> **I have also mentioned in other posts the importance of Magnesium and heart health. Soaking in
> a Magnesium bath, or doing foot soaks bypasses the liver having to digest yet another
> supplement...and for many, typical pill forms of magnesium are not easily absorbed, and gives
> people problems. Absorbing thru the skin, called: trandermal therapy, works quite well,
> as the SKIN is the body's largest organ.
> Blessings of Many,
> Lizzie
>
>
> Amazon.com: Your Thyroid and How to Keep It Healthy ...  
>
> www.amazon.com › Books › Health, Mind & Body - CachedSimilar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  9 reviews - $29.99 - In stockDr Durrant-Peatfield covers this crucial subject completely and with perfect clarity ... I recommend to you the book by Barry Durrant Peatfield, "Your Thyroid and
>  
>
>
>
> To: [hidden email]
> From: snoshoe_2@...
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:19:55 +0000
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Zinc deficiency can cause exactly that.
>
> --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Its very difficult in this case to explain my cluster of symptoms
> > due to restrictive socialized health system in the UK. GPs
> > refuse a glucose challenge test, because my blood sugar level
> > show normal despite the fact that it is often normal for various
> > type of metabolic insulin disfunction such as hyperinsulemia for
> > eg..
> >
> > The hunger pangs with arrythmias worse in the mornings could be
> > diabetes, or some other metabolic dysfunction, but for sure, there is
> > also deficiency in nutrients due to a very limited diet for many years.
> >
> > Those severe and acute hunger pangs could be a number of things.
> > I will need to work this out without much help from doctors.
> >
> > The fissures on my fingers are signs of.....??????
> > Not caused by dry crackling skin, its spontaneous small
> > fissures, one or two, painful but am more worried about the
> > cause. At one point I had those on my heels too, but more
> > so on fingers.
> >
> > Anyone knows???
> >
>
>
>
>
>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi Elizabeth,
>
> I was wondering if electrical sensitivity and thyroid problems are strongly related. I have a hyperthyroid and at one time it was severe and then moderate and then severely hypo. Have others experienced these thyroid problems?
>
> I have found the Thyroid Patient Advocacy to be very informative and they also recommend the book you mentioned.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> Cheryl
>
> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote:
>
> From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 10:49 AM
>
>
> Hi,
> Wouldn't it be nice if it was that simple..just take zinc?
> The reality is, low in one mineral is usually low  on others as well.
> So, the question is: what in the body controls how we absorb
> and digest nutrients? Answer: the thyroid. People, while that Thyroid gland
> may be very small...but it is foolish to discount how VERY powerful
> that little gland really is.....and if the thryoid isn't working right,
> nothing in the body will work right.
> Those fissures are very painful...I know, I used to get them alot.
> Waking up ravenous...starving sounds like Thryoid/Adrenal. Thryoid
> regulates metabolism, adrenals regulate blood sugar levels.
> Thryoid regulates the heart. My bet is on the thryoid...A really good book
> to read is written by: Dr. Barry Durrant-Peatsfield, (he's from the UK)
> I have his original book, same book, american publishers had him change the title-
> (The Great Thryoid Scandal and HOw to Survive It- was the original title)
> **As for cracks on hands...I think this is just one of many signs of candida.
> I found using: Sea Buckthorn OIl (www.mountainroseherbs.com ) and an essential
> oil blend called: Melrose (www.youngliving.com)
> mixed with coconut oil helped heal these very painful cracks. Sea Buckthorn Oil is called
> the Omega 7. Originally I had an organic lotion from Aubrey Organics called: SEa Buckthorn
> & cucumber with Ester-C that I mixed with the Melrose Oil. But that lotion is very expensive..
> so I decided to try my own little mixture, seeing that I was paying 16. dollars for a 4 fl oz
> of the Aubreys lotion. You do have to warm up the coconut oil, so an easier way to do this
> is to use organic Olive Oil, or Apricot Oil, and mix in 2 oz of Olive OIl, to 5 drops each of
> the Melrose and Sea Buckthorn Oil. Rub this mixture on your hands and before bed,
> put some on, and put a cotton pair of ankle socks or cotton gloves on your hands.
> I found that this mixture, because the Melrose Oil is a very strong Anti-Fungal..
> this is what is needed to combat candida.
> IN a pinch, pure Lavender Essential Oil, a few drps right on the heart, will make the
> arthymia stop and is safe. My daughter s/times gets this heart thing, when exposed to
> emf's. You can get the Lavender Oil from youngliving, as well.
> This will help the symptoms...the cause is more then likely the thryoid.
> Many who have their blood tested for thryoid are told they are "normal">
> Look up: The Barnes BAsal Temperature TEst....this is somethng you can do
> at home, for free, that will tell you if your thryoid is out of balance. No doctors,
> no fees, just a pad of paper, a pen, a thermometer, and the willingness to
> take your temp before you get up every morning, for a week, and then average
> out your temp. Anythng under 97.6 means the thyroid is not working right.
>  
> **I have also mentioned in other posts the importance of Magnesium and heart health. Soaking in
> a Magnesium bath, or doing foot soaks bypasses the liver having to digest yet another
> supplement...and for many, typical pill forms of magnesium are not easily absorbed, and gives
> people problems. Absorbing thru the skin, called: trandermal therapy, works quite well,
> as the SKIN is the body's largest organ.
> Blessings of Many,
> Lizzie
>
>
> Amazon.com: Your Thyroid and How to Keep It Healthy ... 
>
> www.amazon.com › Books › Health, Mind & Body - CachedSimilar
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>  9 reviews - $29.99 - In stockDr Durrant-Peatfield covers this crucial subject completely and with perfect clarity ... I recommend to you the book by Barry Durrant Peatfield, "Your Thyroid and
>  
>
>
>
> To: [hidden email]
> From: snoshoe_2@...
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:19:55 +0000
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Zinc deficiency can cause exactly that.
>
> --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Its very difficult in this case to explain my cluster of symptoms
> > due to restrictive socialized health system in the UK. GPs
> > refuse a glucose challenge test, because my blood sugar level
> > show normal despite the fact that it is often normal for various
> > type of metabolic insulin disfunction such as hyperinsulemia for
> > eg..
> >
> > The hunger pangs with arrythmias worse in the mornings could be
> > diabetes, or some other metabolic dysfunction, but for sure, there is
> > also deficiency in nutrients due to a very limited diet for many years.
> >
> > Those severe and acute hunger pangs could be a number of things.
> > I will need to work this out without much help from doctors.
> >
> > The fissures on my fingers are signs of.....??????
> > Not caused by dry crackling skin, its spontaneous small
> > fissures, one or two, painful but am more worried about the
> > cause. At one point I had those on my heels too, but more
> > so on fingers.
> >
> > Anyone knows???
> >
>
>
>
>
>  Â Â Â                       
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi Elizabeth,
>
> I was wondering if electrical sensitivity and thyroid problems are strongly related. I have a hyperthyroid and at one time it was severe and then moderate and then severely hypo. Have others experienced these thyroid problems?
>
> I have found the Thyroid Patient Advocacy to be very informative and they also recommend the book you mentioned.
>
> Thanks for reading.
>
> Cheryl
>
> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote:
>
> From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 10:49 AM
>
>
> Hi,
> Wouldn't it be nice if it was that simple..just take zinc?
> The reality is, low in one mineral is usually low  on others as well.
> So, the question is: what in the body controls how we absorb
> and digest nutrients? Answer: the thyroid. People, while that Thyroid gland
> may be very small...but it is foolish to discount how VERY powerful
> that little gland really is.....and if the thryoid isn't working right,
> nothing in the body will work right.
> Those fissures are very painful...I know, I used to get them alot.
> Waking up ravenous...starving sounds like Thryoid/Adrenal. Thryoid
> regulates metabolism, adrenals regulate blood sugar levels.
> Thryoid regulates the heart. My bet is on the thryoid...A really good book
> to read is written by: Dr. Barry Durrant-Peatsfield, (he's from the UK)
> I have his original book, same book, american publishers had him change the title-
> (The Great Thryoid Scandal and HOw to Survive It- was the original title)
> **As for cracks on hands...I think this is just one of many signs of candida.
> I found using: Sea Buckthorn OIl (www.mountainroseherbs.com ) and an essential
> oil blend called: Melrose (www.youngliving.com)
> mixed with coconut oil helped heal these very painful cracks. Sea Buckthorn Oil is called
> the Omega 7. Originally I had an organic lotion from Aubrey Organics called: SEa Buckthorn
> & cucumber with Ester-C that I mixed with the Melrose Oil. But that lotion is very expensive..
> so I decided to try my own little mixture, seeing that I was paying 16. dollars for a 4 fl oz
> of the Aubreys lotion. You do have to warm up the coconut oil, so an easier way to do this
> is to use organic Olive Oil, or Apricot Oil, and mix in 2 oz of Olive OIl, to 5 drops each of
> the Melrose and Sea Buckthorn Oil. Rub this mixture on your hands and before bed,
> put some on, and put a cotton pair of ankle socks or cotton gloves on your hands.
> I found that this mixture, because the Melrose Oil is a very strong Anti-Fungal..
> this is what is needed to combat candida.
> IN a pinch, pure Lavender Essential Oil, a few drps right on the heart, will make the
> arthymia stop and is safe. My daughter s/times gets this heart thing, when exposed to
> emf's. You can get the Lavender Oil from youngliving, as well.
> This will help the symptoms...the cause is more then likely the thryoid.
> Many who have their blood tested for thryoid are told they are "normal">
> Look up: The Barnes BAsal Temperature TEst....this is somethng you can do
> at home, for free, that will tell you if your thryoid is out of balance. No doctors,
> no fees, just a pad of paper, a pen, a thermometer, and the willingness to
> take your temp before you get up every morning, for a week, and then average
> out your temp. Anythng under 97.6 means the thyroid is not working right.
>
> **I have also mentioned in other posts the importance of Magnesium and heart health. Soaking in
> a Magnesium bath, or doing foot soaks bypasses the liver having to digest yet another
> supplement...and for many, typical pill forms of magnesium are not easily absorbed, and gives
> people problems. Absorbing thru the skin, called: trandermal therapy, works quite well,
> as the SKIN is the body's largest organ.
> Blessings of Many,
> Lizzie
>
>
> Amazon.com: Your Thyroid and How to Keep It Healthy ...  
>
> www.amazon.com › Books › Health, Mind & Body - CachedSimilar
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> 9 reviews - $29.99 - In stockDr Durrant-Peatfield covers this crucial subject completely and with perfect clarity ... I recommend to you the book by Barry Durrant Peatfield, "Your Thyroid and
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> To: [hidden email]
> From: snoshoe_2@...
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:19:55 +0000
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
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> --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote:
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> > Its very difficult in this case to explain my cluster of symptoms
> > due to restrictive socialized health system in the UK. GPs
> > refuse a glucose challenge test, because my blood sugar level
> > show normal despite the fact that it is often normal for various
> > type of metabolic insulin disfunction such as hyperinsulemia for
> > eg..
> >
> > The hunger pangs with arrythmias worse in the mornings could be
> > diabetes, or some other metabolic dysfunction, but for sure, there is
> > also deficiency in nutrients due to a very limited diet for many years.
> >
> > Those severe and acute hunger pangs could be a number of things.
> > I will need to work this out without much help from doctors.
> >
> > The fissures on my fingers are signs of.....??????
> > Not caused by dry crackling skin, its spontaneous small
> > fissures, one or two, painful but am more worried about the
> > cause. At one point I had those on my heels too, but more
> > so on fingers.
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> Hi, Kooky,
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> I am a little confused about what you are saying.  Are you saying that you don't agree with taking targeted nutrients for the thyroid and adrenals?  That is what you are about to do with the Ubiquitol.  I have taken Q10 for years, along with calcium AEP and pantethine for my adrenals.  Those have worked for me quite well.  I was like you when I started--all the therapies seemed to bring my energies down instead of up.  Qi-Gong would have never worked for me back then.  One reason why this is particularly true for us, is the toxin issues.  The lymphatics get overloaded and congested with toxins.  The lymphatics use huge amounts of Q10, calcium, and pantethine to keep working; they steal the nutrition from the adrenals in order to keep functioning.  Then, due to liver detox deficiencies (nutrient deficiencies), all these systems come tumbling down.  You are so right about toxins and nutrient deficiencies causing everything. 
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> I have taken Q10, cal AEP, and pantethine now for over 13 years.  Are you saying that you always become intolerant of nutrients?  Have you tried quercitin?  It helped me with all my food intolerance (except gluten/celiac disease).  I also start with very small amounts of supplements and work up to tolerable levels over the space of 6 months or so when I start most nutrients, as you mentioned you do.
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> Just a bit confused about what you mean,
> Diane
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> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, furstc0404 <furstc0404@...> wrote:
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> From: furstc0404 <furstc0404@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 3:41 AM
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> The problem with adrenal supps, when I was able to tolerate them about six years ago, for a few months, then crashed when I had to stop (allergies). Its not healthy to stay on those supps for long period of time, (IMHO) what happens when you stop adrenal support supps?
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> Kookie
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> --- In [hidden email], Elizabeth thode <lizt777@> wrote:
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> > All those symptoms: night blindness (thryoid), hearing (adrenal), balance and coordination problems (thryoid), dry skin (thyroid), abnormal heartbeat/arthymia (thyroid), digestive issues (thryoid)......are classic textbook symptoms of thryoid imbalances. But hey, don't take my word for this, read it from an expert.
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> > The following book is one of the best books written on the thyroid and adrenal issues. This dr from the UK, has been around for decades...I have a copy of his original book, which he has since changed the name to the below title. HIs original book was titled: THE GREAT THYROID SCANDAL AND HOW TO SURVIVE IT.
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> Hi Diane,
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> I do take a lot of supplements for both of these problems and all my other health problems. I am going crazy taking so many supplements every day - not to even mention the cost. I know they do help me but I still am not doing well. Anybody else have this frustration?
>
> Cheryl
> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
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> From: Evie <evie15422@...>
> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 12:30 PM
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> Diane
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> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@...> wrote:
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> From: Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@...>
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> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
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> To: [hidden email]
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> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 3:14 PM
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> Hi Diane,
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> Thanks for your quick response.
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> I don't seem to have any reactions to foods with gluten but I am checking labels more carefully now. I seem to have many of the common symptoms of gluten intolerance.
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> Any ideas as to why my thyroid went from severely hyperactive to 90% better overnight? It was a good thing that the severity of it ended and never returned. But I still puzzle over how something like that could change overnight. It was delightfully strange.
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> Cheryl
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> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:
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> I have also had the same experience--hypothyroid on and off.  I finally tracked that down to eating too many soy products.  Soy products (and various other things) interfere with thyroid function. 
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> As to what Elizabeth is saying, tho, we do often need extra nutrients to help our thyroids, even when we are getting enough iodine.  The same is true of our adrenals.  I personally cannot use iodine directly; all celiacs are intolerant of iodine.  I can once in awhile put a bit of potassium iodide in 16 oz of water (2 or 3 drops) and drink it.  However, if I use this on an on-going basis, I end up with rusty palms and feet, and feel ill.  I also get rusty palms and feet from kelp.  Cheryl, if you are gluten-intolerant, your thyroid can often go off and on like that.  Just an idea to check, if you haven't yet. 
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> Bless you,
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> Diane
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> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, Cheryl Griffing <cheryl_griffing@...> wrote:
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> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
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> To: [hidden email]
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> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 2:09 PM
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> Hi Elizabeth,
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> I was wondering if electrical sensitivity and thyroid problems are strongly related. I have a hyperthyroid and at one time it was severe and then moderate and then severely hypo. Have others experienced these thyroid problems?
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> Cheryl
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> --- On Sun, 8/14/11, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@...> wrote:
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> Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
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> To: [hidden email]
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> Date: Sunday, August 14, 2011, 10:49 AM
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> Hi,
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> Wouldn't it be nice if it was that simple..just take zinc?
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> The reality is, low in one mineral is usually low  on others as well.
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> Those fissures are very painful...I know, I used to get them alot.
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> Waking up ravenous...starving sounds like Thryoid/Adrenal. Thryoid
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> Thryoid regulates the heart. My bet is on the thryoid...A really good book
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> I found using: Sea Buckthorn OIl (www.mountainroseherbs.com ) and an essential
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> is to use organic Olive Oil, or Apricot Oil, and mix in 2 oz of Olive OIl, to 5 drops each of
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> the Melrose and Sea Buckthorn Oil. Rub this mixture on your hands and before bed,
>
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> put some on, and put a cotton pair of ankle socks or cotton gloves on your hands.
>
>
>
> I found that this mixture, because the Melrose Oil is a very strong Anti-Fungal..
>
>
>
> this is what is needed to combat candida.
>
>
>
> IN a pinch, pure Lavender Essential Oil, a few drps right on the heart, will make the
>
>
>
> arthymia stop and is safe. My daughter s/times gets this heart thing, when exposed to
>
>
>
> emf's. You can get the Lavender Oil from youngliving, as well.
>
>
>
> This will help the symptoms...the cause is more then likely the thryoid.
>
>
>
> Many who have their blood tested for thryoid are told they are "normal">
>
>
>
> Look up: The Barnes BAsal Temperature TEst....this is somethng you can do
>
>
>
> at home, for free, that will tell you if your thryoid is out of balance. No doctors,
>
>
>
> no fees, just a pad of paper, a pen, a thermometer, and the willingness to
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>
> take your temp before you get up every morning, for a week, and then average
>
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> out your temp. Anythng under 97.6 means the thyroid is not working right.
>
>
>
> **I have also mentioned in other posts the importance of Magnesium and heart health. Soaking in
>
>
>
> a Magnesium bath, or doing foot soaks bypasses the liver having to digest yet another
>
>
>
> supplement...and for many, typical pill forms of magnesium are not easily absorbed, and gives
>
>
>
> people problems. Absorbing thru the skin, called: trandermal therapy, works quite well,
>
>
>
> as the SKIN is the body's largest organ.
>
>
>
> Blessings of Many,
>
>
>
> Lizzie
>
>
>
> Amazon.com: Your Thyroid and How to Keep It Healthy ... 
>
>
>
> www.amazon.com › Books › Health, Mind & Body - CachedSimilar
>
>
>
> 9 reviews - $29.99 - In stockDr Durrant-Peatfield covers this crucial subject completely and with perfect clarity ... I recommend to you the book by Barry Durrant Peatfield, "Your Thyroid and
>
>
>
> To: [hidden email]
>
>
>
> From: snoshoe_2@...
>
>
>
> Date: Sun, 14 Aug 2011 16:19:55 +0000
>
>
>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Heart spasms and arrythmias
>
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> Zinc deficiency can cause exactly that.
>
>
>
> --- In [hidden email], "furstc0404" <furstc0404@> wrote:
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> > Its very difficult in this case to explain my cluster of symptoms
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> > due to restrictive socialized health system in the UK. GPs
>
>
>
> > refuse a glucose challenge test, because my blood sugar level
>
>
>
> > show normal despite the fact that it is often normal for various
>
>
>
> > type of metabolic insulin disfunction such as hyperinsulemia for
>
>
>
> > eg..
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>
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> >
>
>
>
> > The hunger pangs with arrythmias worse in the mornings could be
>
>
>
> > diabetes, or some other metabolic dysfunction, but for sure, there is
>
>
>
> > also deficiency in nutrients due to a very limited diet for many years.
>
>
>
> >
>
>
>
> > Those severe and acute hunger pangs could be a number of things.
>
>
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> > I will need to work this out without much help from doctors.
>
>
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> >
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> > The fissures on my fingers are signs of.....??????
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> > Not caused by dry crackling skin, its spontaneous small
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>
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> > fissures, one or two, painful but am more worried about the
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> > cause. At one point I had those on my heels too, but more
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> OIC what you meant now.  I actually (tho I talk of supplementation all the time) try to eat foods myself, instead of taking supps for everything.  For instance, I get a lot of help from taking virgin coconut oil in about 10 different areas of my health.  It blew me away how much coconut oil could accomplish.  I rarely see that type of help from 1 supplement.
>
> As to your question as to whether I knew things you could take for your thyroid.  Yes, I do, actually.  I got this info from one of my favorite reference books--Prescriptions for Nutritional Healing by Phyllis and James Balch.  (I have worn out 5 or 6 editions of this book over my lifetime.  lol)  As for foods to eat: apricots, dates, egg yolks, molasses (molasses is one of those indispensible foods in my life; I even feed my plants with it), parsley, potatoes, raw seeds, whole grains, fish, chicken, raw milk, and cheeses.  Drink steam distilled water only (this is to avoid toxins such as pesticides, chlorine, and fluoride).  Eating organic foods (no pesticides) is also recommended. 
>
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