Greetings and case history from new members

>
> We've just become members of the group and have been invited to say
> something about ourselves and our experiences, so here goes! (Sorry,
> this has taken a few days to write and I've already done several other
> posts or replies)
>
> I'm Ian and I'm not electrosensitive, but I act as scribe for my wife
> Sue, who is and therefore can't use the PC. We live in Abingdon, near
> Oxford, UK.
>
> Sue has had ES since October 2004. She was fit and well until 6 years
> ago when she had to have all her wisdom teeth out and developed ME/CFS
> (physical exhaustion symptoms) as a result of all the antibiotics.
> After conventional medicine had no effect, we tried a strict
> anti-candida diet plus probiotics, and she recovered almost totally
> after a few months. 3 years ago she had a stress-related illness and
> had to give up work, and this worsened a year ago. She couldn't take
> any antidepressants this time because she got bad side reactions, also
> to most herbs and supplements. (I've lost count of how many she tried
> - there are 2 cupboards full of them). In August 2004 she had her
> mercury amalgam fillings removed and this seemed to make things worse.
> She developed chemical sensitivity immediately after this.
>
> In October we went to an "alternative" clinic and the doctor used a
> machine called "Oberon" to scan her brain to try to detect body
> problems. That day a buzzing began in her head and she has had this
> on and off ever since, getting steadily worse and rather like
> tinnitus. It doesn't seem to be one of the more common symptoms of ES
> according to websites, but it seems to be clearly EM related as it is
> worse in our car, near the TV/computer screen, under fluorescent
> lights, and in most parts of our house.
>
> We've recently been to a private hospital (Breakspear Hospital, Hemel
> Hempstead, UK) and they've done lots of tests on Sue for various
> things, including possible food intolerances. One clear result, which
> we had suspected, was that her glutathione was extremely low. They
> have given her intravenous infusions and this has clearly reduced the
> chemical sensitivity but as yet nothing has helped the buzzing. We
> turn all the power off in the house at night and this at least gives
> Sue a reasonable night's sleep. In the last 1-2 months she's also
> become sensitive to both bright sunlight and strong artificial light
> (street lights etc) which make the buzzing worse. It gets much better
> if she goes into the fresh air, particularly countryside and forest,
> but this does not last after she comes back into the house.
> Fortunately the "classic" physical-exhaustion ME/CFS has never come
> back.
>
> Best wishes to everyone, Ian and Sue
>
>
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>
> We've just become members of the group and have been invited to say
> something about ourselves and our experiences, so here goes! (Sorry,
> this has taken a few days to write and I've already done several other
> posts or replies)
>
> I'm Ian and I'm not electrosensitive, but I act as scribe for my wife
> Sue, who is and therefore can't use the PC. We live in Abingdon, near
> Oxford, UK.
>
> Sue has had ES since October 2004. She was fit and well until 6 years
> ago when she had to have all her wisdom teeth out and developed ME/CFS
> (physical exhaustion symptoms) as a result of all the antibiotics.
> After conventional medicine had no effect, we tried a strict
> anti-candida diet plus probiotics, and she recovered almost totally
> after a few months. 3 years ago she had a stress-related illness and
> had to give up work, and this worsened a year ago. She couldn't take
> any antidepressants this time because she got bad side reactions, also
> to most herbs and supplements. (I've lost count of how many she tried
> - there are 2 cupboards full of them). In August 2004 she had her
> mercury amalgam fillings removed and this seemed to make things worse.
> She developed chemical sensitivity immediately after this.
>
> In October we went to an "alternative" clinic and the doctor used a
> machine called "Oberon" to scan her brain to try to detect body
> problems. That day a buzzing began in her head and she has had this
> on and off ever since, getting steadily worse and rather like
> tinnitus. It doesn't seem to be one of the more common symptoms of ES
> according to websites, but it seems to be clearly EM related as it is
> worse in our car, near the TV/computer screen, under fluorescent
> lights, and in most parts of our house.
>
> We've recently been to a private hospital (Breakspear Hospital, Hemel
> Hempstead, UK) and they've done lots of tests on Sue for various
> things, including possible food intolerances. One clear result, which
> we had suspected, was that her glutathione was extremely low. They
> have given her intravenous infusions and this has clearly reduced the
> chemical sensitivity but as yet nothing has helped the buzzing. We
> turn all the power off in the house at night and this at least gives
> Sue a reasonable night's sleep. In the last 1-2 months she's also
> become sensitive to both bright sunlight and strong artificial light
> (street lights etc) which make the buzzing worse. It gets much better
> if she goes into the fresh air, particularly countryside and forest,
> but this does not last after she comes back into the house.
> Fortunately the "classic" physical-exhaustion ME/CFS has never come
> back.
>
> Best wishes to everyone, Ian and Sue
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
>
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
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>
> Thanks Andrew and Glenn for your kind messages of support.
>
> Some extra info based on your questions. Acupuncture was tried on Sue
> (by the same doctor who used the Oberon machine that seemed to start
> the ES off) but it didn't have any effect apart from a possible slight
> negative one. Also, we've just had a faecal metals test done and it
> now shows her recorded level of mercury is so low as to be
> undetectable (either inorganic or organic). Of course we have nothing
> to compare it against - we wish we'd done this test before she had her
> amalgams removed.
>
> The other thing I forgot to mention was that Sue was on SSRI's
> (Seroxat/Paxil) on and off for some years and we do wonder whether
> this led to a buildup of something non-metabolisable in her system.
> One very strange thing that happened a few months ago was that she
> went to a massage practitioner who felt that her lymph glands were
> swollen and congested and gave her a facial massage. Sue felt really
> better for a few hours afterwards, but then a dreadful "black fog"
> descended on her mind which gave her almost uncontrollable despairing
> and suicidal thoughts. Over the following months this returned
> frequently, usually linked with exposure to chemicals/solvents etc.
> It has almost disappeared in the last 2-3 months; several possible
> reasons but the 2 most likely are the glutathione infusions and
> avoidance of potential chemical triggers.
>
> What is a QXCI machine?
>
> Ian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew McAfee
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Greetings and case history from new members
>
>
> Welcome to the list.
> Wow. I am really sorry to hear that your wife Sue is in such a
> condition. Sounds like you've already been down a long road and steep
> learning curve. I look forward to hearing more about what works and
> what doesn't.
> I suggest seeing someone with a QXCI machine to get a better
> diagnosis/treatment of what is going on. Vaccination related issues,
> viruses in addition to the nerve damage from the
> toxins/pesticides/chemicals/metals, etc. are still possibilities.
> It sounds like her body is so depleted she can't get a foot hold. I
> suggest raw organic colostrum to rebuild her digestive/immune system
> (especially since the antibiotics digestive systems). Doing liver
> cleanses and other flushes my just cripple her more at this point
> though eventually getting her organs back is essential.
> Acupuncture and hands on energy work (with Barbara Brennan Healing
> Graduates) will help balance, boost and heal her energetic system.
> We can be dealing with biowarfare issues (mycoplasma, genetically
> modified viruses and chemicals) as well as DNA altering/ activating
> radiation and toxins.
> Essiac may be too strong for her but check it out and amino acids
> that
> boost Glutathione and Human Growth Hormone are contained in Somalife
> gHP.
> http://www.healthsuperstore.com/somalife/index.asp
> I am sure you will get a lot of help from this list. I look forward
> to
> hearing how Sue recovers, hopefully soon.
> Andrew
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Sue and Ian Kemp wrote:
>
>>
>> We've just become members of the group and have been invited to say
>> something about ourselves and our experiences, so here goes! (Sorry,
>> this has taken a few days to write and I've already done several other
>> posts or replies)
>>
>> I'm Ian and I'm not electrosensitive, but I act as scribe for my wife
>> Sue, who is and therefore can't use the PC. We live in Abingdon, near
>> Oxford, UK.
>>
>> Sue has had ES since October 2004. She was fit and well until 6 years
>> ago when she had to have all her wisdom teeth out and developed ME/CFS
>> (physical exhaustion symptoms) as a result of all the antibiotics.
>> After conventional medicine had no effect, we tried a strict
>> anti-candida diet plus probiotics, and she recovered almost totally
>> after a few months. 3 years ago she had a stress-related illness and
>> had to give up work, and this worsened a year ago. She couldn't take
>> any antidepressants this time because she got bad side reactions, also
>> to most herbs and supplements. (I've lost count of how many she tried
>> - there are 2 cupboards full of them). In August 2004 she had her
>> mercury amalgam fillings removed and this seemed to make things worse.
>> She developed chemical sensitivity immediately after this.
>>
>> In October we went to an "alternative" clinic and the doctor used a
>> machine called "Oberon" to scan her brain to try to detect body
>> problems. That day a buzzing began in her head and she has had this
>> on and off ever since, getting steadily worse and rather like
>> tinnitus. It doesn't seem to be one of the more common symptoms of ES
>> according to websites, but it seems to be clearly EM related as it is
>> worse in our car, near the TV/computer screen, under fluorescent
>> lights, and in most parts of our house.
>>
>> We've recently been to a private hospital (Breakspear Hospital, Hemel
>> Hempstead, UK) and they've done lots of tests on Sue for various
>> things, including possible food intolerances. One clear result, which
>> we had suspected, was that her glutathione was extremely low. They
>> have given her intravenous infusions and this has clearly reduced the
>> chemical sensitivity but as yet nothing has helped the buzzing. We
>> turn all the power off in the house at night and this at least gives
>> Sue a reasonable night's sleep. In the last 1-2 months she's also
>> become sensitive to both bright sunlight and strong artificial light
>> (street lights etc) which make the buzzing worse. It gets much better
>> if she goes into the fresh air, particularly countryside and forest,
>> but this does not last after she comes back into the house.
>> Fortunately the "classic" physical-exhaustion ME/CFS has never come
>> back.
>>
>> Best wishes to everyone, Ian and Sue
>>
>>
>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>>
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>From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
>Reply-To: [hidden email]
>To: [hidden email]
>Subject: [eSens] natural Glutathione
>Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:33:57 -0500
>
>I have some strong judgments about Paxil
>
>http://www.prozactruth.com/paxil.htm
>
>and other drugs that I think cause deep damage emotionally and
>physically. It may take years for it to come out through slow detoxing
>but well worth the process.
>If she is not exercising, lymph massages can help move the toxins. She
>is going to feel sick when all of it gets kicked up unless there is
>some method to remove it from her body. Ion Cleanse foot baths may
>help. I have seen much more colors and junk with the Ion foot baths
>than with the Q2 foot bath. Far Infared Saunas don't get that hot and
>help remove toxins via the skin. I have not tried this but have heard
>rave reviews.
>
> Since Paxil causes severe Glutathione depletion, Barley and raw
>organic milk and colostrum are natural and great for Glutathione
>regeneration.
>http://www.phporder.com/ProductPage.aspx?ItemID=235&ID=jhmb
>
>Definitely do a QXCI or similar machine to find underlying deficiencies
>and causative factors. I have been doing the QXCI for 6 months every
>couple of weeks and it has been great to check how my body is being
>balanced from my various products and treatments. I also had removed a
>couple of entities from me that were attached to me and draining my
>energy.
>all the best to you,
>Andrew
>On Feb 8, 2005, at 6:31 PM, Sue and Ian Kemp wrote:
>
> >
> > Thanks Andrew and Glenn for your kind messages of support.
> >
> > Some extra info based on your questions. Acupuncture was tried on Sue
> > (by the same doctor who used the Oberon machine that seemed to start
> > the ES off) but it didn't have any effect apart from a possible slight
> > negative one. Also, we've just had a faecal metals test done and it
> > now shows her recorded level of mercury is so low as to be
> > undetectable (either inorganic or organic). Of course we have nothing
> > to compare it against - we wish we'd done this test before she had her
> > amalgams removed.
> >
> > The other thing I forgot to mention was that Sue was on SSRI's
> > (Seroxat/Paxil) on and off for some years and we do wonder whether
> > this led to a buildup of something non-metabolisable in her system.
> > One very strange thing that happened a few months ago was that she
> > went to a massage practitioner who felt that her lymph glands were
> > swollen and congested and gave her a facial massage. Sue felt really
> > better for a few hours afterwards, but then a dreadful "black fog"
> > descended on her mind which gave her almost uncontrollable despairing
> > and suicidal thoughts. Over the following months this returned
> > frequently, usually linked with exposure to chemicals/solvents etc.
> > It has almost disappeared in the last 2-3 months; several possible
> > reasons but the 2 most likely are the glutathione infusions and
> > avoidance of potential chemical triggers.
> >
> > What is a QXCI machine?
> >
> > Ian
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Andrew McAfee
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:41 AM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Greetings and case history from new members
> >
> >
> > Welcome to the list.
> > Wow. I am really sorry to hear that your wife Sue is in such a
> > condition. Sounds like you've already been down a long road and steep
> > learning curve. I look forward to hearing more about what works and
> > what doesn't.
> > I suggest seeing someone with a QXCI machine to get a better
> > diagnosis/treatment of what is going on. Vaccination related issues,
> > viruses in addition to the nerve damage from the
> > toxins/pesticides/chemicals/metals, etc. are still possibilities.
> > It sounds like her body is so depleted she can't get a foot hold. I
> > suggest raw organic colostrum to rebuild her digestive/immune system
> > (especially since the antibiotics digestive systems). Doing liver
> > cleanses and other flushes my just cripple her more at this point
> > though eventually getting her organs back is essential.
> > Acupuncture and hands on energy work (with Barbara Brennan Healing
> > Graduates) will help balance, boost and heal her energetic system.
> > We can be dealing with biowarfare issues (mycoplasma, genetically
> > modified viruses and chemicals) as well as DNA altering/ activating
> > radiation and toxins.
> > Essiac may be too strong for her but check it out and amino acids
> > that
> > boost Glutathione and Human Growth Hormone are contained in Somalife
> > gHP.
> > http://www.healthsuperstore.com/somalife/index.asp
> > I am sure you will get a lot of help from this list. I look forward
> > to
> > hearing how Sue recovers, hopefully soon.
> > Andrew
> >
> >
> > On Feb 6, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Sue and Ian Kemp wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> We've just become members of the group and have been invited to say
> >> something about ourselves and our experiences, so here goes! (Sorry,
> >> this has taken a few days to write and I've already done several other
> >> posts or replies)
> >>
> >> I'm Ian and I'm not electrosensitive, but I act as scribe for my wife
> >> Sue, who is and therefore can't use the PC. We live in Abingdon, near
> >> Oxford, UK.
> >>
> >> Sue has had ES since October 2004. She was fit and well until 6 years
> >> ago when she had to have all her wisdom teeth out and developed ME/CFS
> >> (physical exhaustion symptoms) as a result of all the antibiotics.
> >> After conventional medicine had no effect, we tried a strict
> >> anti-candida diet plus probiotics, and she recovered almost totally
> >> after a few months. 3 years ago she had a stress-related illness and
> >> had to give up work, and this worsened a year ago. She couldn't take
> >> any antidepressants this time because she got bad side reactions, also
> >> to most herbs and supplements. (I've lost count of how many she tried
> >> - there are 2 cupboards full of them). In August 2004 she had her
> >> mercury amalgam fillings removed and this seemed to make things worse.
> >> She developed chemical sensitivity immediately after this.
> >>
> >> In October we went to an "alternative" clinic and the doctor used a
> >> machine called "Oberon" to scan her brain to try to detect body
> >> problems. That day a buzzing began in her head and she has had this
> >> on and off ever since, getting steadily worse and rather like
> >> tinnitus. It doesn't seem to be one of the more common symptoms of ES
> >> according to websites, but it seems to be clearly EM related as it is
> >> worse in our car, near the TV/computer screen, under fluorescent
> >> lights, and in most parts of our house.
> >>
> >> We've recently been to a private hospital (Breakspear Hospital, Hemel
> >> Hempstead, UK) and they've done lots of tests on Sue for various
> >> things, including possible food intolerances. One clear result, which
> >> we had suspected, was that her glutathione was extremely low. They
> >> have given her intravenous infusions and this has clearly reduced the
> >> chemical sensitivity but as yet nothing has helped the buzzing. We
> >> turn all the power off in the house at night and this at least gives
> >> Sue a reasonable night's sleep. In the last 1-2 months she's also
> >> become sensitive to both bright sunlight and strong artificial light
> >> (street lights etc) which make the buzzing worse. It gets much better
> >> if she goes into the fresh air, particularly countryside and forest,
> >> but this does not last after she comes back into the house.
> >> Fortunately the "classic" physical-exhaustion ME/CFS has never come
> >> back.
> >>
> >> Best wishes to everyone, Ian and Sue
> >>
> >>
> >> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>
> Hi Ian and Sue,
>
> I'm not familiar with faecal metals tests, but know that when I had
> heavy
> metal tests done, they gave me DMPS chelator prior to taking sample,
> which
> loosens some mercury into the blood stream, and is how they detect if
> mercury exists or not. So I am curious if they gave Sue any type of
> chelator to get the metals moving? Otherwise it makes sense that they
> would
> find nothing, because mercury generally doesn't just flow naturally in
> large
> quantities out of our system - so would not be detected. It seems
> almost
> impossible that if she had amalgams, that she doesn't have any mercury
> in
> her system, unless she underwent heavy chelation.
>
> Mercury really messes with the brain. I was telling somebody today
> that I
> think that it short-circuits my brain because the neurological
> symptoms are
> so extreme when I have a release.
>
> I have found buddhist practices help me to gain control over my brain
> when I
> get poisoned. Much of it is simple stuff, just learning how to feel
> happy
> towards others when I feel like hell inside, and this act of feeling
> happy
> towards others pulls myself out of my messed up mind. The other side
> is
> that buddhism has elements where one can gain mind control through
> simple
> chanting. I don't mean to preach, just telling how it is for me.
>
> I also have strong judgements about Paxil. It nearly killed me. My
> doctors
> couldn't figure out why I still had high levels of anxiety so just kept
> cranking up the dose until I hit 50mg per day. When that didn't work
> they
> added a second SSRI. I exploded in uncontrollable rage and became
> afraid to
> go outside because I thought I may blow up and end up in jail. I'm
> normally
> a conservative quiet type of guy so this was way out of line.
>
> Then they decided to put me on even worse meds for scizophrenia. I
> finally
> abandoned all my doctors, risked loosing all my long-term disability,
> and
> became my own doctor - using resources like this group, and
> naturopaths -
> but using my own judgement rather than taking their diagnosis at face
> value.
> That was one year ago. Today I feel like a different human being.
> Although not fully healed I have cleaned up about 15 layers of
> problems.
>
> It started a pattern of suicidal thoughts that follow me to this day.
> Its
> not bad anymore, but having spent years on paxil with so many suicidal
> thoughts starts to create new *triggers* that take a while to disolve.
> I
> had to invent new thoughts to have when I had a suicidal trigger -
> essentially cancelling those thoughts. Now it has become natural to
> cancel
> it out before I have any further thoughts about it.
>
> I also found glutathione supplements extremely helpful for paxil side
> effects and when I withdrew from the medication (very slowly).
> Mercury is
> also known to cause extreme glutathione depletion. So between paxil
> and
> mercury one can get very depleted.
>
> Something that was very helpful was when I began having Shiatsu
> bioenergy
> therapy. That completely leveled out my rage and gave me back *some*
> sanity
> when I was in my worst state. But I found I needed Shiatsu almost
> every
> week to keep up with the negative effects from paxil & mercury
> poisoning.
> So I bought an Aqua-Chi Machine to exercise my energy meridian and
> keep my
> energy in tact. That reduced my anxiety and gave me clarity of mind.
> Finally I became a pranic healer and performed energy cleansing on
> myself.
> I still use all 3 methods on a regular basis.
>
> Something I didn't realize all the while was that my thyroid was
> causing a
> lot of turbulance. It was being poisoned by mercury and flouride
> (they used
> to use flouride in the old days to slow down the thyroid of people with
> over-active thyroid. I discovered that black and green tea contain
> high
> levels of flouride absorbed from the environment and I was drinking
> about 8
> cups a day - so my thyroid was underactive). So I quit drinking
> black/green
> tea, stopped using flouride toothpaste, had amalgams removed, and went
> on
> mercury detox. It stopped my thyroid from degenerating anymore, but
> still
> not fixed. Now I eat coconut oil everyday to help my thyroid (in
> addition
> to T4 supplements).
>
> My thyroid continues to be the trigger that can throw me off - feeling
> extremely ill with ear aches, chest pain, and nausea. I'm seeing a
> specialist in two weeks to hopefully shed some light on whats going on
> with
> my thyroid. It seems obvious that it has been poisoned, but I can't
> get it
> to settle down into a consistent pattern. One specialist mentioned
> that he
> believes in the 98% T4, 2% T3 rule. He said people with mercury
> poisoning
> sometimes have trouble converting T4 to T3. So even though TSH tests
> for T4
> look fine, T3 is not being created so one can still have an extreme
> imbalance. So taking 2% T3 together with 98% T4 corrects this
> imbalance.
> I'm hoping to try this combo. It can be dangerous to take T3 so that
> is why
> I am seeing a specialist.
>
> I do a special medicine buddha practice every Tuesday at a buddhist
> temple.
> In this practice I am able to send healing power to anyone who needs
> it. My
> Dad has an enlarged prostate and was scheduled for surgery that would
> disable him for 6 weeks. I told him to pospone his operation, and try
> some
> natural methods first. I have done 4 medicine buddha sessions within
> the
> last 3 weeks, got him on USANA supplements, and his prostate is already
> getting better. In future medicine buddha sessions I will think of
> everyone
> in our group, to send out healing for everyone. Everytime I do it I
> get
> stronger in health and mind.
>
> Blessings,
>
> Glenn
>
>
>> From: Andrew McAfee <[hidden email]>
>> Reply-To: [hidden email]
>> To: [hidden email]
>> Subject: [eSens] natural Glutathione
>> Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:33:57 -0500
>>
>> I have some strong judgments about Paxil
>>
>> http://www.prozactruth.com/paxil.htm
>>
>> and other drugs that I think cause deep damage emotionally and
>> physically. It may take years for it to come out through slow
>> detoxing
>> but well worth the process.
>> If she is not exercising, lymph massages can help move the toxins. She
>> is going to feel sick when all of it gets kicked up unless there is
>> some method to remove it from her body. Ion Cleanse foot baths may
>> help. I have seen much more colors and junk with the Ion foot baths
>> than with the Q2 foot bath. Far Infared Saunas don't get that hot and
>> help remove toxins via the skin. I have not tried this but have heard
>> rave reviews.
>>
>> Since Paxil causes severe Glutathione depletion, Barley and raw
>> organic milk and colostrum are natural and great for Glutathione
>> regeneration.
>> http://www.phporder.com/ProductPage.aspx?ItemID=235&ID=jhmb
>>
>> Definitely do a QXCI or similar machine to find underlying
>> deficiencies
>> and causative factors. I have been doing the QXCI for 6 months every
>> couple of weeks and it has been great to check how my body is being
>> balanced from my various products and treatments. I also had removed a
>> couple of entities from me that were attached to me and draining my
>> energy.
>> all the best to you,
>> Andrew
>> On Feb 8, 2005, at 6:31 PM, Sue and Ian Kemp wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Thanks Andrew and Glenn for your kind messages of support.
>>>
>>> Some extra info based on your questions. Acupuncture was tried on
>>> Sue
>>> (by the same doctor who used the Oberon machine that seemed to start
>>> the ES off) but it didn't have any effect apart from a possible
>>> slight
>>> negative one. Also, we've just had a faecal metals test done and it
>>> now shows her recorded level of mercury is so low as to be
>>> undetectable (either inorganic or organic). Of course we have
>>> nothing
>>> to compare it against - we wish we'd done this test before she had
>>> her
>>> amalgams removed.
>>>
>>> The other thing I forgot to mention was that Sue was on SSRI's
>>> (Seroxat/Paxil) on and off for some years and we do wonder whether
>>> this led to a buildup of something non-metabolisable in her system.
>>> One very strange thing that happened a few months ago was that she
>>> went to a massage practitioner who felt that her lymph glands were
>>> swollen and congested and gave her a facial massage. Sue felt really
>>> better for a few hours afterwards, but then a dreadful "black fog"
>>> descended on her mind which gave her almost uncontrollable despairing
>>> and suicidal thoughts. Over the following months this returned
>>> frequently, usually linked with exposure to chemicals/solvents etc.
>>> It has almost disappeared in the last 2-3 months; several possible
>>> reasons but the 2 most likely are the glutathione infusions and
>>> avoidance of potential chemical triggers.
>>>
>>> What is a QXCI machine?
>>>
>>> Ian
>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>> From: Andrew McAfee
>>> To: [hidden email]
>>> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:41 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [eSens] Greetings and case history from new members
>>>
>>>
>>> Welcome to the list.
>>> Wow. I am really sorry to hear that your wife Sue is in such a
>>> condition. Sounds like you've already been down a long road and
>>> steep
>>> learning curve. I look forward to hearing more about what works and
>>> what doesn't.
>>> I suggest seeing someone with a QXCI machine to get a better
>>> diagnosis/treatment of what is going on. Vaccination related
>>> issues,
>>> viruses in addition to the nerve damage from the
>>> toxins/pesticides/chemicals/metals, etc. are still possibilities.
>>> It sounds like her body is so depleted she can't get a foot hold. I
>>> suggest raw organic colostrum to rebuild her digestive/immune
>>> system
>>> (especially since the antibiotics digestive systems). Doing liver
>>> cleanses and other flushes my just cripple her more at this point
>>> though eventually getting her organs back is essential.
>>> Acupuncture and hands on energy work (with Barbara Brennan Healing
>>> Graduates) will help balance, boost and heal her energetic system.
>>> We can be dealing with biowarfare issues (mycoplasma, genetically
>>> modified viruses and chemicals) as well as DNA altering/ activating
>>> radiation and toxins.
>>> Essiac may be too strong for her but check it out and amino acids
>>> that
>>> boost Glutathione and Human Growth Hormone are contained in
>>> Somalife
>>> gHP.
>>> http://www.healthsuperstore.com/somalife/index.asp
>>> I am sure you will get a lot of help from this list. I look forward
>>> to
>>> hearing how Sue recovers, hopefully soon.
>>> Andrew
>>>
>>>
>>> On Feb 6, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Sue and Ian Kemp wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> We've just become members of the group and have been invited to say
>>>> something about ourselves and our experiences, so here goes!
>>>> (Sorry,
>>>> this has taken a few days to write and I've already done several
>>>> other
>>>> posts or replies)
>>>>
>>>> I'm Ian and I'm not electrosensitive, but I act as scribe for my
>>>> wife
>>>> Sue, who is and therefore can't use the PC. We live in Abingdon,
>>>> near
>>>> Oxford, UK.
>>>>
>>>> Sue has had ES since October 2004. She was fit and well until 6
>>>> years
>>>> ago when she had to have all her wisdom teeth out and developed
>>>> ME/CFS
>>>> (physical exhaustion symptoms) as a result of all the antibiotics.
>>>> After conventional medicine had no effect, we tried a strict
>>>> anti-candida diet plus probiotics, and she recovered almost totally
>>>> after a few months. 3 years ago she had a stress-related illness
>>>> and
>>>> had to give up work, and this worsened a year ago. She couldn't take
>>>> any antidepressants this time because she got bad side reactions,
>>>> also
>>>> to most herbs and supplements. (I've lost count of how many she
>>>> tried
>>>> - there are 2 cupboards full of them). In August 2004 she had her
>>>> mercury amalgam fillings removed and this seemed to make things
>>>> worse.
>>>> She developed chemical sensitivity immediately after this.
>>>>
>>>> In October we went to an "alternative" clinic and the doctor used a
>>>> machine called "Oberon" to scan her brain to try to detect body
>>>> problems. That day a buzzing began in her head and she has had this
>>>> on and off ever since, getting steadily worse and rather like
>>>> tinnitus. It doesn't seem to be one of the more common symptoms of
>>>> ES
>>>> according to websites, but it seems to be clearly EM related as it
>>>> is
>>>> worse in our car, near the TV/computer screen, under fluorescent
>>>> lights, and in most parts of our house.
>>>>
>>>> We've recently been to a private hospital (Breakspear Hospital,
>>>> Hemel
>>>> Hempstead, UK) and they've done lots of tests on Sue for various
>>>> things, including possible food intolerances. One clear result,
>>>> which
>>>> we had suspected, was that her glutathione was extremely low. They
>>>> have given her intravenous infusions and this has clearly reduced
>>>> the
>>>> chemical sensitivity but as yet nothing has helped the buzzing. We
>>>> turn all the power off in the house at night and this at least gives
>>>> Sue a reasonable night's sleep. In the last 1-2 months she's also
>>>> become sensitive to both bright sunlight and strong artificial light
>>>> (street lights etc) which make the buzzing worse. It gets much
>>>> better
>>>> if she goes into the fresh air, particularly countryside and forest,
>>>> but this does not last after she comes back into the house.
>>>> Fortunately the "classic" physical-exhaustion ME/CFS has never come
>>>> back.
>>>>
>>>> Best wishes to everyone, Ian and Sue
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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>From: "Sue and Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]>
>Reply-To: [hidden email]
>To: <[hidden email]>
>Subject: Re: [eSens] Greetings and case history from new members
>Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:31:13 -0000
>
>Thanks Andrew and Glenn for your kind messages of support.
>
>Some extra info based on your questions. Acupuncture was tried on Sue (by
>the same doctor who used the Oberon machine that seemed to start the ES
>off) but it didn't have any effect apart from a possible slight negative
>one. Also, we've just had a faecal metals test done and it now shows her
>recorded level of mercury is so low as to be undetectable (either inorganic
>or organic). Of course we have nothing to compare it against - we wish
>we'd done this test before she had her amalgams removed.
>
>The other thing I forgot to mention was that Sue was on SSRI's
>(Seroxat/Paxil) on and off for some years and we do wonder whether this led
>to a buildup of something non-metabolisable in her system. One very
>strange thing that happened a few months ago was that she went to a massage
>practitioner who felt that her lymph glands were swollen and congested and
>gave her a facial massage. Sue felt really better for a few hours
>afterwards, but then a dreadful "black fog" descended on her mind which
>gave her almost uncontrollable despairing and suicidal thoughts. Over the
>following months this returned frequently, usually linked with exposure to
>chemicals/solvents etc. It has almost disappeared in the last 2-3 months;
>several possible reasons but the 2 most likely are the glutathione
>infusions and avoidance of potential chemical triggers.
>
>What is a QXCI machine?
>
>Ian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew McAfee
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Greetings and case history from new members
>
>
> Welcome to the list.
> Wow. I am really sorry to hear that your wife Sue is in such a
> condition. Sounds like you've already been down a long road and steep
> learning curve. I look forward to hearing more about what works and
> what doesn't.
> I suggest seeing someone with a QXCI machine to get a better
> diagnosis/treatment of what is going on. Vaccination related issues,
> viruses in addition to the nerve damage from the
> toxins/pesticides/chemicals/metals, etc. are still possibilities.
> It sounds like her body is so depleted she can't get a foot hold. I
> suggest raw organic colostrum to rebuild her digestive/immune system
> (especially since the antibiotics digestive systems). Doing liver
> cleanses and other flushes my just cripple her more at this point
> though eventually getting her organs back is essential.
> Acupuncture and hands on energy work (with Barbara Brennan Healing
> Graduates) will help balance, boost and heal her energetic system.
> We can be dealing with biowarfare issues (mycoplasma, genetically
> modified viruses and chemicals) as well as DNA altering/ activating
> radiation and toxins.
> Essiac may be too strong for her but check it out and amino acids that
> boost Glutathione and Human Growth Hormone are contained in Somalife
> gHP.
> http://www.healthsuperstore.com/somalife/index.asp
> I am sure you will get a lot of help from this list. I look forward to
> hearing how Sue recovers, hopefully soon.
> Andrew
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Sue and Ian Kemp wrote:
>
> >
> > We've just become members of the group and have been invited to say
> > something about ourselves and our experiences, so here goes! (Sorry,
> > this has taken a few days to write and I've already done several other
> > posts or replies)
> >
> > I'm Ian and I'm not electrosensitive, but I act as scribe for my wife
> > Sue, who is and therefore can't use the PC. We live in Abingdon, near
> > Oxford, UK.
> >
> > Sue has had ES since October 2004. She was fit and well until 6 years
> > ago when she had to have all her wisdom teeth out and developed ME/CFS
> > (physical exhaustion symptoms) as a result of all the antibiotics.
> > After conventional medicine had no effect, we tried a strict
> > anti-candida diet plus probiotics, and she recovered almost totally
> > after a few months. 3 years ago she had a stress-related illness and
> > had to give up work, and this worsened a year ago. She couldn't take
> > any antidepressants this time because she got bad side reactions, also
> > to most herbs and supplements. (I've lost count of how many she tried
> > - there are 2 cupboards full of them). In August 2004 she had her
> > mercury amalgam fillings removed and this seemed to make things worse.
> > She developed chemical sensitivity immediately after this.
> >
> > In October we went to an "alternative" clinic and the doctor used a
> > machine called "Oberon" to scan her brain to try to detect body
> > problems. That day a buzzing began in her head and she has had this
> > on and off ever since, getting steadily worse and rather like
> > tinnitus. It doesn't seem to be one of the more common symptoms of ES
> > according to websites, but it seems to be clearly EM related as it is
> > worse in our car, near the TV/computer screen, under fluorescent
> > lights, and in most parts of our house.
> >
> > We've recently been to a private hospital (Breakspear Hospital, Hemel
> > Hempstead, UK) and they've done lots of tests on Sue for various
> > things, including possible food intolerances. One clear result, which
> > we had suspected, was that her glutathione was extremely low. They
> > have given her intravenous infusions and this has clearly reduced the
> > chemical sensitivity but as yet nothing has helped the buzzing. We
> > turn all the power off in the house at night and this at least gives
> > Sue a reasonable night's sleep. In the last 1-2 months she's also
> > become sensitive to both bright sunlight and strong artificial light
> > (street lights etc) which make the buzzing worse. It gets much better
> > if she goes into the fresh air, particularly countryside and forest,
> > but this does not last after she comes back into the house.
> > Fortunately the "classic" physical-exhaustion ME/CFS has never come
> > back.
> >
> > Best wishes to everyone, Ian and Sue
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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>From: "Sue and Ian Kemp" <[hidden email]>
>Reply-To: [hidden email]
>To: <[hidden email]>
>Subject: Re: [eSens] Greetings and case history from new members
>Date: Tue, 8 Feb 2005 23:31:13 -0000
>
>Thanks Andrew and Glenn for your kind messages of support.
>
>Some extra info based on your questions. Acupuncture was tried on Sue (by
>the same doctor who used the Oberon machine that seemed to start the ES
>off) but it didn't have any effect apart from a possible slight negative
>one. Also, we've just had a faecal metals test done and it now shows her
>recorded level of mercury is so low as to be undetectable (either inorganic
>or organic). Of course we have nothing to compare it against - we wish
>we'd done this test before she had her amalgams removed.
>
>The other thing I forgot to mention was that Sue was on SSRI's
>(Seroxat/Paxil) on and off for some years and we do wonder whether this led
>to a buildup of something non-metabolisable in her system. One very
>strange thing that happened a few months ago was that she went to a massage
>practitioner who felt that her lymph glands were swollen and congested and
>gave her a facial massage. Sue felt really better for a few hours
>afterwards, but then a dreadful "black fog" descended on her mind which
>gave her almost uncontrollable despairing and suicidal thoughts. Over the
>following months this returned frequently, usually linked with exposure to
>chemicals/solvents etc. It has almost disappeared in the last 2-3 months;
>several possible reasons but the 2 most likely are the glutathione
>infusions and avoidance of potential chemical triggers.
>
>What is a QXCI machine?
>
>Ian
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Andrew McAfee
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 1:41 AM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Greetings and case history from new members
>
>
> Welcome to the list.
> Wow. I am really sorry to hear that your wife Sue is in such a
> condition. Sounds like you've already been down a long road and steep
> learning curve. I look forward to hearing more about what works and
> what doesn't.
> I suggest seeing someone with a QXCI machine to get a better
> diagnosis/treatment of what is going on. Vaccination related issues,
> viruses in addition to the nerve damage from the
> toxins/pesticides/chemicals/metals, etc. are still possibilities.
> It sounds like her body is so depleted she can't get a foot hold. I
> suggest raw organic colostrum to rebuild her digestive/immune system
> (especially since the antibiotics digestive systems). Doing liver
> cleanses and other flushes my just cripple her more at this point
> though eventually getting her organs back is essential.
> Acupuncture and hands on energy work (with Barbara Brennan Healing
> Graduates) will help balance, boost and heal her energetic system.
> We can be dealing with biowarfare issues (mycoplasma, genetically
> modified viruses and chemicals) as well as DNA altering/ activating
> radiation and toxins.
> Essiac may be too strong for her but check it out and amino acids that
> boost Glutathione and Human Growth Hormone are contained in Somalife
> gHP.
> http://www.healthsuperstore.com/somalife/index.asp
> I am sure you will get a lot of help from this list. I look forward to
> hearing how Sue recovers, hopefully soon.
> Andrew
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2005, at 6:56 PM, Sue and Ian Kemp wrote:
>
> >
> > We've just become members of the group and have been invited to say
> > something about ourselves and our experiences, so here goes! (Sorry,
> > this has taken a few days to write and I've already done several other
> > posts or replies)
> >
> > I'm Ian and I'm not electrosensitive, but I act as scribe for my wife
> > Sue, who is and therefore can't use the PC. We live in Abingdon, near
> > Oxford, UK.
> >
> > Sue has had ES since October 2004. She was fit and well until 6 years
> > ago when she had to have all her wisdom teeth out and developed ME/CFS
> > (physical exhaustion symptoms) as a result of all the antibiotics.
> > After conventional medicine had no effect, we tried a strict
> > anti-candida diet plus probiotics, and she recovered almost totally
> > after a few months. 3 years ago she had a stress-related illness and
> > had to give up work, and this worsened a year ago. She couldn't take
> > any antidepressants this time because she got bad side reactions, also
> > to most herbs and supplements. (I've lost count of how many she tried
> > - there are 2 cupboards full of them). In August 2004 she had her
> > mercury amalgam fillings removed and this seemed to make things worse.
> > She developed chemical sensitivity immediately after this.
> >
> > In October we went to an "alternative" clinic and the doctor used a
> > machine called "Oberon" to scan her brain to try to detect body
> > problems. That day a buzzing began in her head and she has had this
> > on and off ever since, getting steadily worse and rather like
> > tinnitus. It doesn't seem to be one of the more common symptoms of ES
> > according to websites, but it seems to be clearly EM related as it is
> > worse in our car, near the TV/computer screen, under fluorescent
> > lights, and in most parts of our house.
> >
> > We've recently been to a private hospital (Breakspear Hospital, Hemel
> > Hempstead, UK) and they've done lots of tests on Sue for various
> > things, including possible food intolerances. One clear result, which
> > we had suspected, was that her glutathione was extremely low. They
> > have given her intravenous infusions and this has clearly reduced the
> > chemical sensitivity but as yet nothing has helped the buzzing. We
> > turn all the power off in the house at night and this at least gives
> > Sue a reasonable night's sleep. In the last 1-2 months she's also
> > become sensitive to both bright sunlight and strong artificial light
> > (street lights etc) which make the buzzing worse. It gets much better
> > if she goes into the fresh air, particularly countryside and forest,
> > but this does not last after she comes back into the house.
> > Fortunately the "classic" physical-exhaustion ME/CFS has never come
> > back.
> >
> > Best wishes to everyone, Ian and Sue
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> >
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> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Marc Martin
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:49 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Greetings and case history from new members
>
>
> The QXCI is a machine that can be useful for determining what
> specific nutritional deficiencies or toxicities your wife might
> have. It cycles through thousands of frequencies and measures
> what your body's response to these frequencies are. Doesn't
> seem to bother ES folks -- well, it didn't bother me at least.
> You can see if there is such a machine in your area via this
> page:
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> http://www.qxciscio.com/qxci-world.html
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> Now I'm concerned. We have our first QXCI appointment this evening.
> Besides Sue and Marc, does anyone else on this list with experience
> with QXCI care to comment on -- was the experience positive or
> negative? I'm worried about aggravating ES symptoms.
>
> Cara
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Sue and Ian Kemp"
> <ianandsue.kemp@u...> wrote:
> > The stated method of operation of the QXCI machine and the intended
> principle behind it (scanning a wide range of frequencies to try to
> detect feedback from the body) seems very similar to both the Oberon
> and Raytheon machines. Unfortunately it was the Oberon machine which
> seemed to trigger Sue's ES in the first place, and she also got an
> odd reaction when she was tried on a Raytheon. Sue's symptoms (the
> buzzing) don't seem to be all that typical of "classic" ES so she may
> react differently.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Marc Martin
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Tuesday, February 08, 2005 11:49 PM
> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Greetings and case history from new members
> >
> >
> > The QXCI is a machine that can be useful for determining what
> > specific nutritional deficiencies or toxicities your wife might
> > have. It cycles through thousands of frequencies and measures
> > what your body's response to these frequencies are. Doesn't
> > seem to bother ES folks -- well, it didn't bother me at least.
> > You can see if there is such a machine in your area via this
> > page:
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> > http://www.qxciscio.com/qxci-world.html
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> Hi,
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> Was wondering about rife type machines.. what are the frequencies you run
> them on?? How do you determine??
>
> Not sure if i understood this... someone says it plays you like a harp??
> Sometimes i have this feeling during prayer.. Ploink... (not the only
> instrument i experience by the by).. It does seem to be a very healing
> feeling.. Is it the frequencies of the crystals mentioned in revelation??
> The frequencies of our new body-temple?/ after the change/conversion?? (oh
> lord the roof came off, quite scary, but it is a cool car!!!)
>
> Love
>
> stichting milieuziektes <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hello Cara,
>
> with regard to ES, we do have positive experiences with the QXCI.
> But we also do have positive results with the *Poor mans Rife*.
> I burn Audio CD's with special freuqencies for ES.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
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