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Hi,
The reason your dentist didn't suggest the cavitat scan was maybe because it is a very rare technique and very few dentists (certainly in the UK) have the machine. It is not "mainstream" and therefore over here is done privately, at considerable expense. We went to an excellent holistic dentist and in view of Sue's ES he felt it unwise to do a cavitat scan although he had the equipment (it uses ultrasound and we feared it could worsen Sue's ES-related tinnitus). Instead he did an exploratory biopsy on the suspect area and found a big cavity underneath. He sorted this out and Sue's health did improve after that, although it could also have been partly due to other treatment done around the same time. A couple of years later when Sue was doing better we went back and did the full cavitat scan, which showed the gap had fully healed and there were no cavities around. A bit puzzled about the bridge - I have one where I had a front tooth knocked out, and only the gap has a crown (or false tooth) in it. The two teeth on either side were left intact and the bridge is bonded on to the rear of both of them. So I didn't think healthy teeth needed to be ground down and crowned. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of torch369 Sent: 18 August 2010 16:13 To: [hidden email] Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns Hi Steph, I'm surprised my dentist didn't mention the cavitat scan. He did send me to an endodontist that he trusts and he x rayed the area and found no infection anywhere near the area or in the bone. The x ray also showed 2 blobs of mercury that were used to seal off an apicoectomy I had done to that root canal! Real nice having mercury inside my gums. Pulling the tooth would be the only way to get it out. As for the bridge, they do have to grind down the teeth around it. basically they use the surrounding teeth to hold up a false tooth in the middle. The only way to do this is to crown the surrounding teeth. That's the issue-there are no great answers to what to do about the hole. That's what is keeping me from extracting that tooth right away. Steve --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Hi Steve > > That is where the cavistat scan would come in - an ordinary X ray will only show > so much but has its limitations. The cavitat scan is able to see much more and > can show if there are little pockets of infection beneath the root canal called > cavitations. If these are there then they are leaking toxins all through your > system - I have stuff on this which I will look up and post to you. > > > From what you told me I think I have just gone about everything in the wrong way > - I got 2 teeth filled with replacement fillings yesterday but they are the 2 > teeth which are either side of the 2 root canaled teeth (one is coveredwith a > rubbish crown) - which means if I have to have the 2 root canals extracted then > I will have to get those 2 teeth I got filled yesterday ground down to take a > bridge. I didn't realise that. If I had known that I would have got the 2 root > canals looked at first [need to see another dentist for the cavitat scan for > that]. I'm not happy about root canal at all - a root canal tooth is a dead > tooth and you don't want to have something dead inside your body. Plus from what > I have read it is virtually impossible for a dentist - no matter how competent > to completely clean out and sterilise all of the myriad little chambers [aside > from the main roots which is what you think of when you think of a root canal. I > think my dentist is operating on the premise that if the root canals are sound > [highly doubtful I think] she will just replace the fillings in them and do a > new crown. I am coming from the perspective of extracting them and either > leaving a big gap or going for an implant, but I don't think I want them in my > mouth. Do they have to grind down the good teeth to support a bridge? > > BW > > Steph > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, 16 August, 2010 15:49:00 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > >  > Hi Steph, > Keep us posted on what you find and what you do. My root canal tooth is a > molar on top and I wouldn't want to leave the space empty. I have 2 teeth on > either side for a bridge but that would mean cutting down 2 good teeth and what > happens if they fail? > I have a mercury filling next to that root canal tooth and I am going to have it > replaced but i was waiting until I decided whether to have the tooth pulled > because if i was then putting another filling in would be a waste of money if it > was going to be prepped for a supporting crown. > I had the area x rayed and there is no sign of infection or bone loss but of > course it can't see under the crown that's over the root canal tooth. > Steve > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote: > > > > Hi steve > > > > I am in the same situation about the 2 root canaled teeth I have - side by side > > > > in my lower jaw - my dentist is going to refer me to another holistic dentist > > who specialises in RC teeth to do a cavitat scan which checks to see whether > > there are cavitations or pockets of toxins which can form at the base of root > > canal teeth which won't show up on an ordinary dental X ray - if you have these > > > > they are leaking a constant source of toxin into your whole system which can be > > > > a cause for a lot of the ill health and problems that MCS and ES people have > >and > > > > the existence of the cavitations or even the possibility that something like > > that might exist is something that a lot of dentists aren't even trained in. I > > > know for sure in my case that a lot of my problems started after root canal > > treatment and have got steadily worse. these are the last 2 teeth I will be > > having treated and I would imagine that they alone are the cause of maybe 50% > >of > > > > my problems - and if I had to have them extracted I would gladly do so if it > > meant that my health might improve even if it meant leaving a big gap with no > > teeth.àHaving said that I have had 3 amalgams removed so far on one side of my > > > > mouth and since then I have had no pain in my head on driving past cell towers > > > etc and haven't had a migraine since then either - before removal it was > >getting > > > > to the stage where I was getting very debilitating migraines sometimes 2-3 a > > week. Hang in there. I'm going tomorrow for another amalgam removal treatment > >so > > > > I'm hoping it goes well. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Steph > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 21:19:20 > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > > > > à> > I'm going to ask him which other material he prefers, I don't feel good > > putting the gold in. He has used lava Crowns before, I've also heard Diamond > > Crowns are also good. > > If he prefers another non metal crown for the large molar I will go with what > >he > > > > recommends. He is very careful about his work which I like. His temporary crown > > > > is better than the real corwn he pulled off. The dentist who did the Lava > >crowns > > > > did a poor job and so did the lab. > > My holistic dentist says he uses a more expensive lab when he does lava crowns > > > because they are more difficult to cut. > > What to do about the root canal tooth is another issue. I wish they had a > >better > > > > option out there to replace it. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so > > > > unflexible. Any ideas on this? > > > > > > I'm not sure why a main molar would be a problem... I've got 2 Lava > > > crowns, and I think they're both on main molars. > > > > > > I *do* know that dentists have their own personal biases on what > > > materials should be used (I also saw a dentist once who preferred > > > gold), but these dentists are NOT taking ES into account... just > > > how long the crown might last or how strong it is. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In reply to this post by Loni Rosser
For what it's worth, I've had my bridge 15 years and it has given virtually
no trouble, except once when the metal bonding failed and it came out - the dentist reglued it. I had a crown before and it gave me lots of trouble over the years - came out a few times and eventually would not hold any more as the root bone split and had to be removed. I remember the dentist saying "Oh shit" when he found the split when trying to replace the crown - not very reassuring! Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Loni Sent: 18 August 2010 16:09 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns I pulled my tooth but am regretting it (after RC) I wish I had done the Clifford & figured out an acceptable crown. (if possible) Now I have this gap but my tongue always fills it in. Hard to eat at times & the gap gives me a headache. I am looking at an implant after the clifford test but that is really concerning. I could do the bridge but they seem bothersome to me! Loni --- On Wed, 8/18/10, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email] <mailto:reader41%40ymail.com> > wrote: From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email] <mailto:reader41%40ymail.com> > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 3:21 AM Hi Steve That is where the cavistat scan would come in - an ordinary X ray will only show so much but has its limitations. The cavitat scan is able to see much more and can show if there are little pockets of infection beneath the root canal called cavitations. If these are there then they are leaking toxins all through your system - I have stuff on this which I will look up and post to you. from what you told me I think I have just gone about everything in the wrong way - I got 2 teeth filled with replacement fillings yesterday but they are the 2 teeth which are either side of the 2 root canaled teeth (one is coveredwith a rubbish crown) - which means if I have to have the 2 root canals extracted then I will have to get those 2 teeth I got filled yesterday ground down to take a bridge. I didn't realise that. If I had known that I would have got the 2 root canals looked at first [need to see another dentist for the cavitat scan for that]. I'm not happy about root canal at all - a root canal tooth is a dead tooth and you don't want to have something dead inside your body. Plus from what I have read it is virtually impossible for a dentist - no matter how competent to completely clean out and sterilise all of the myriad little chambers [aside from the main roots which is what you think of when you think of a root canal. I think my dentist is operating on the premise that if the root canals are sound [highly doubtful I think] she will just replace the fillings in them and do a new crown. I am coming from the perspective of extracting them and either leaving a big gap or going for an implant, but I don't think I want them in my mouth. Do they have to grind down the good teeth to support a bridge? BW Steph ________________________________ From: torch369 <[hidden email] <mailto:torch369%40yahoo.com> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Mon, 16 August, 2010 15:49:00 Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns Hi Steph, Keep us posted on what you find and what you do. My root canal tooth is a alrge molar on top and I wouldn't want to leave the space empty. I have 2 teeth on either side for a bridge but that would mean cutting down 2 good teeth and what happens if they fail? I have a mercury filling next to that root canal tooth and I am going to have it replaced but i was waiting until I decided whether to have the tooth pulled because if i was then putting another filling in would be a waste of money if it was going to be prepped for a supporting crown. I had the area x rayed and there is no sign of infection or bone loss but of course it can't see under the crown that's over the root canal tooth. Steve --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Hi steve > > I am in the same situation about the 2 root canaled teeth I have - side by side > > in my lower jaw - my dentist is going to refer me to another holistic dentist > who specialises in RC teeth to do a cavitat scan which checks to see whether > there are cavitations or pockets of toxins which can form at the base of root > canal teeth which won't show up on an ordinary dental X ray - if you have these > > they are leaking a constant source of toxin into your whole system which can be > > a cause for a lot of the ill health and problems that MCS and ES people have >and > > the existence of the cavitations or even the possibility that something like > that might exist is something that a lot of dentists aren't even trained in. I > know for sure in my case that a lot of my problems started after root canal > treatment and have got steadily worse. these are the last 2 teeth I will be > having treated and I would imagine that they alone are the cause of maybe 50% >of > > my problems - and if I had to have them extracted I would gladly do so if it > meant that my health might improve even if it meant leaving a big gap with no > teeth. Having said that I have had 3 amalgams removed so far on one side of my > > mouth and since then I have had no pain in my head on driving past cell towers > etc and haven't had a migraine since then either - before removal it was >getting > > to the stage where I was getting very debilitating migraines sometimes 2-3 a > week. Hang in there. I'm going tomorrow for another amalgam removal treatment >so > > I'm hoping it goes well. > > Best wishes > > Steph > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 21:19:20 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > >  > I'm going to ask him which other material he prefers, I don't feel good > putting the gold in. He has used lava Crowns before, I've also heard Diamond > Crowns are also good. > If he prefers another non metal crown for the large molar I will go with what >he > > recommends. He is very careful about his work which I like. His temporary crown > > is better than the real corwn he pulled off. The dentist who did the Lava >crowns > > did a poor job and so did the lab. > My holistic dentist says he uses a more expensive lab when he does lava crowns > because they are more difficult to cut. > What to do about the root canal tooth is another issue. I wish they had a >better > > option out there to replace it. > Steve > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote: > > > > > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so > > > unflexible. Any ideas on this? > > > > I'm not sure why a main molar would be a problem... I've got 2 Lava > > crowns, and I think they're both on main molars. > > > > I *do* know that dentists have their own personal biases on what > > materials should be used (I also saw a dentist once who preferred > > gold), but these dentists are NOT taking ES into account... just > > how long the crown might last or how strong it is. > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In reply to this post by steve
I just thought,
find out if the growing a new tooth with stem cells from your own is available there. It is in some countries. Not the US for a few years yet, not sure where you are. ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@...> wrote: > > Thanks for all the replies. > The other 2% I believe he said is platinum. I don't know about a post, I don't think anything is used for a crown. > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so unflexible. Any ideas on this? He said there were other options, he just preferred the Gold based Crown. > My Clifford test shows I tolerate Gold. Also fluoride which surprised me.I don't react well to nickel and most other metals. Titanium is OK. > I am going back in 2 weeks to see if my gums healed properly so i can getfitted for the permanent Crown. > As for implants they are starting to make them out of zirconium so you can avoid titanium but very few dentists use them yet. > I have a root canaled tooth that had an apicoectomy capped with mercury (lovely-mercury inside my gums!). I could get it pulled but then would have to deal with either the implant or a bridge (and have 2 good teeth ground down in the process). I'm not really prepared for that emotionally right now. > |
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Hi Steve
After reading your post I googled the zirconuim implant and up it came - I think they call it by the brand name of Ceron? I just did a very quick look whichI am going to have to research a bit more and noticed that there was some suggestion that the zirconium might not merge as well with the bone as a titanium one would which I want to dig deeper into. But I also made the mistake of actually watching a you tube clip which showed the whole procedure from start to finish. I was gripping my sides in pain wincing at it watching it because it sure isn't pretty viewing. But it is very clear that there is no metal involved and the material is supposed to be highly biocompatible. If you google zirconium dental implants as I did you would be able to see the clip. Best wishes Steph ________________________________ From: torch369 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Wed, 18 August, 2010 16:09:16 Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns You're welcome. That bugs me too about implants. Basically your bone has togrow around them and they become part of your jaw. --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Thanks Steve - I must look that up - but i don't think my dentist is aware of > them - the ones she showed me were titanium. I still feel sort of squeamish at > the thought of having something like that embedded in my gum which I would have > > to get over but thanks for this information. > > Best wishes > > Steph > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Mon, 16 August, 2010 15:45:53 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > >  > There are implants now that are zirconium based, meaning the part that is > titanium would be zirconium-all metal free. It will take some time beforethey > are used more frequently so we can see how they work with people. > > --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote: > > > > Torch > > > > The part of the implant that you see on the surface of the gum and in your > >mouth > > > > might be zieconium but they have to fix that implant into something to hold >it > > > > in your gum - [look online and you can see pictures of the fixing implanted > >into > > > > a gum - and that fixing is titanium. My holistic dentist advised against it >in > > > > my case because of the metals sensitivity. > > > > BW > > > > Steph > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Fri, 13 August, 2010 20:15:30 > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > > > >  > > Thanks for all the replies. > > The other 2% I believe he said is platinum. I don't know about a post, I >don't > > > > think anything is used for a crown. > > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so > > unflexible. Any ideas on this? He said there were other options, he just > > preferred the Gold based Crown. > > > > My Clifford test shows I tolerate Gold. Also fluoride which surprised me. I > > don't react well to nickel and most other metals. Titanium is OK. > > I am going back in 2 weeks to see if my gums healed properly so i can get > >fitted > > > > for the permanent Crown. > > As for implants they are starting to make them out of zirconium so you can > >avoid > > > > titanium but very few dentists use them yet. > > I have a root canaled tooth that had an apicoectomy capped with mercury > > (lovely-mercury inside my gums!). I could get it pulled but then would have >to > > > > deal with either the implant or a bridge (and have 2 good teeth ground down >in > > > > the process). I'm not really prepared for that emotionally right now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Yes Steve I checked that out too and you are right - oh man - I would more than
expect to have a gob of mercury at the foot of my RC embedded in my gun which would also leaving me facing an extraction. And then what to do? Bridge or implant? at least with implant it means you keep your remaining teeth for as long as you can rather than having crowns. If I have cavitations I would need to have the RCs taken out anyway. So I have a lot of thinking and researching to do on this. My teeth that have been treated so far feel much much stronger than they did when they were filled with amalgam . BW Steph ________________________________ From: torch369 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Wed, 18 August, 2010 16:13:06 Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns Hi Steph, I'm surprised my dentist didn't mention the cavitat scan. He did send me toan endodontist that he trusts and he x rayed the area and found no infection anywhere near the area or in the bone. The x ray also showed 2 blobs of mercury that were used to seal off an apicoectomy I had done to that root canal! Real nice having mercury inside my gums. Pulling the tooth would be the only wayto get it out. As for the bridge, they do have to grind down the teeth around it. basically they use the surrounding teeth to hold up a false tooth in the middle. The only way to do this is to crown the surrounding teeth. That's the issue-there are no great answers to what to do about the hole. That's what is keeping me from extracting that tooth right away. Steve --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Hi Steve > > That is where the cavistat scan would come in - an ordinary X ray will only >show > > so much but has its limitations. The cavitat scan is able to see much more and > can show if there are little pockets of infection beneath the root canal called > > cavitations. If these are there then they are leaking toxins all through your > system - I have stuff on this which I will look up and post to you. > > > From what you told me I think I have just gone about everything in the wrong >way > > - I got 2 teeth filled with replacement fillings yesterday but they are the 2 > teeth which are either side of the 2 root canaled teeth (one is coveredwith a > rubbish crown) - which means if I have to have the 2 root canals extracted >then > > I will have to get those 2 teeth I got filled yesterday ground down to take a > bridge. I didn't realise that. If I had known that I would have got the 2root > canals looked at first [need to see another dentist for the cavitat scan for > that]. I'm not happy about root canal at all - a root canal tooth is a dead > tooth and you don't want to have something dead inside your body. Plus from >what > > I have read it is virtually impossible for a dentist - no matter how competent > to completely clean out and sterilise all of the myriad little chambers [aside > from the main roots which is what you think of when you think of a root canal. >I > > think my dentist is operating on the premise that if the root canals are sound > [highly doubtful I think] she will just replace the fillings in them and do a > new crown. I am coming from the perspective of extracting them and either > leaving a big gap or going for an implant, but I don't think Iwant them in my > > mouth. Do they have to grind down the good teeth to support a bridge? > > BW > > Steph > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Mon, 16 August, 2010 15:49:00 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > >  > Hi Steph, > Keep us posted on what you find and what you do. My root canal tooth is aalrge > > molar on top and I wouldn't want to leave the space empty. I have 2 teethon > either side for a bridge but that would mean cutting down 2 good teeth and what > > happens if they fail? > I have a mercury filling next to that root canal tooth and I am going to have >it > > replaced but i was waiting until I decided whether to have the tooth pulled > because if i was then putting another filling in would be a waste of money if >it > > was going to be prepped for a supporting crown. > I had the area x rayed and there is no sign of infection or bone loss butof > course it can't see under the crown that's over the root canal tooth. > Steve > > --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote: > > > > Hi steve > > > > I am in the same situation about the 2 root canaled teeth I have - sideby >side > > > > > in my lower jaw - my dentist is going to refer me to another holistic dentist > > > who specialises in RC teeth to do a cavitat scan which checks to see whether > > there are cavitations or pockets of toxins which can form at the base of root > > > canal teeth which won't show up on an ordinary dental X ray - if you have >these > > > > > they are leaking a constant source of toxin into your whole system which can >be > > > > > a cause for a lot of the ill health and problems that MCS and ES peoplehave > >and > > > > the existence of the cavitations or even the possibility that somethinglike > > that might exist is something that a lot of dentists aren't even trained in. >I > > > > know for sure in my case that a lot of my problems started after root canal > > treatment and have got steadily worse. these are the last 2 teeth I will be > > having treated and I would imagine that they alone are the cause of maybe 50% > > >of > > > > my problems - and if I had to have them extracted I would gladly do so if it > > meant that my health might improve even if it meant leaving a big gap with no > > > teeth. Having said that I have had 3 amalgamsremoved so far on one side >of my > > > > > mouth and since then I have had no pain in my head on driving past cell >towers > > > > etc and haven't had a migraine since then either - before removal it was > >getting > > > > to the stage where I was getting very debilitating migraines sometimes 2-3 a > > week. Hang in there. I'm going tomorrow for another amalgam removal treatment > > >so > > > > I'm hoping it goes well. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Steph > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > To: [hidden email] > > Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 21:19:20 > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > > > >  > > I'm going to ask him which other material he prefers, I don't feel goodabout > > > putting the gold in. He has used lava Crowns before, I've also heard Diamond > > Crowns are also good. > > If he prefers another non metal crown for the large molar I will go with what > > >he > > > > recommends. He is very careful about his work which I like. His temporary >crown > > > > > is better than the real corwn he pulled off. The dentist who did the Lava > >crowns > > > > did a poor job and so did the lab. > > My holistic dentist says he uses a more expensive lab when he does lava >crowns > > > > because they are more difficult to cut. > > What to do about the root canal tooth is another issue. I wish they hada > >better > > > > option out there to replace it. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so > > > > unflexible. Any ideas on this? > > > > > > I'm not sure why a main molar would be a problem... I've got 2 Lava > > > crowns, and I think they're both on main molars. > > > > > > I *do* know that dentists have their own personal biases on what > > > materials should be used (I also saw a dentist once who preferred > > > gold), but these dentists are NOT taking ES into account... just > > > how long the crown might last or how strong it is. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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In reply to this post by Ian Kemp
Hi Ian
Thank you very much for this post - I too thought that was how a bridge could be fitted - without the need to grind down nearby healthy teeth. Can I ask does your bridge have metal in it or was it possible to do that without uding metal? I am thinking though that perhaps for stability reasons and where there might be a bigger gap than one tooth involved it might be necessary to use the crown method of bridging in case attaching it to neighbouring teeth might not be strong enough. This is something I will have to look at in more detail and wich that I had gone into it further with my holistic dentist at the outset. I am posting from the UK and am wondering, out of interest, whether Sue went to John Ahearne in Poole perhaps - that is the guy my holistic dentist is going to refer me to and I was just wondering if it was the same one . When he did the biopsy did this mean that Sue was able to keep her tooth and not have to have it extracted? . Best wishes ________________________________ From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Wed, 18 August, 2010 23:57:35 Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns / Cavitat scans Hi, The reason your dentist didn't suggest the cavitat scan was maybe because it is a very rare technique and very few dentists (certainly in the UK) have the machine. It is not "mainstream" and therefore over here is done privately, at considerable expense. We went to an excellent holistic dentist and in view of Sue's ES he felt it unwise to do a cavitat scan although he had the equipment (it uses ultrasound and we feared it could worsen Sue's ES-related tinnitus). Instead he did an exploratory biopsy on the suspect area and found a big cavity underneath. He sorted this out and Sue's health did improve after that, although it could also have been partly due to other treatment done around the same time. A couple of years later when Sue was doing better we went back and did the full cavitat scan, which showed the gap had fully healed and there were no cavities around. A bit puzzled about the bridge - I have one where I had a front tooth knocked out, and only the gap has a crown (or false tooth) in it. The two teeth on either side were left intact and the bridge is bonded on to the rear of both of them. So I didn't think healthy teeth needed to be ground down and crowned. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of torch369 Sent: 18 August 2010 16:13 To: [hidden email] Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns Hi Steph, I'm surprised my dentist didn't mention the cavitat scan. He did send me to an endodontist that he trusts and he x rayed the area and found no infection anywhere near the area or in the bone. The x ray also showed 2 blobs of mercury that were used to seal off an apicoectomy I had done to that root canal! Real nice having mercury inside my gums. Pulling the tooth would be the only way to get it out. As for the bridge, they do have to grind down the teeth around it. basically they use the surrounding teeth to hold up a false tooth in the middle. The only way to do this is to crown the surrounding teeth. That's the issue-there are no great answers to what to do about the hole. That's what is keeping me from extracting that tooth right away. Steve --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Hi Steve > > That is where the cavistat scan would come in - an ordinary X ray will only show > so much but has its limitations. The cavitat scan is able to see much more and > can show if there are little pockets of infection beneath the root canal called > cavitations. If these are there then they are leaking toxins all through your > system - I have stuff on this which I will look up and post to you. > > > From what you told me I think I have just gone about everything in the wrong way > - I got 2 teeth filled with replacement fillings yesterday but they are the 2 > teeth which are either side of the 2 root canaled teeth (one is coveredwith a > rubbish crown) - which means if I have to have the 2 root canals extracted then > I will have to get those 2 teeth I got filled yesterday ground down to take a > bridge. I didn't realise that. If I had known that I would have got the 2 root > canals looked at first [need to see another dentist for the cavitat scan for > that]. I'm not happy about root canal at all - a root canal tooth is a dead > tooth and you don't want to have something dead inside your body. Plus from what > I have read it is virtually impossible for a dentist - no matter how competent > to completely clean out and sterilise all of the myriad little chambers [aside > from the main roots which is what you think of when you think of a root canal. I > think my dentist is operating on the premise that if the root canals are sound > [highly doubtful I think] she will just replace the fillings in them and do a > new crown. I am coming from the perspective of extracting them and either > leaving a big gap or going for an implant, but I don't think I wantthem in my > mouth. Do they have to grind down the good teeth to support a bridge? > > BW > > Steph > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, 16 August, 2010 15:49:00 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > >  > Hi Steph, > Keep us posted on what you find and what you do. My root canal tooth is a > molar on top and I wouldn't want to leave the space empty. I have 2 teeth on > either side for a bridge but that would mean cutting down 2 good teeth and what > happens if they fail? > I have a mercury filling next to that root canal tooth and I am going to have it > replaced but i was waiting until I decided whether to have the tooth pulled > because if i was then putting another filling in would be a waste of money if it > was going to be prepped for a supporting crown. > I had the area x rayed and there is no sign of infection or bone loss but of > course it can't see under the crown that's over the root canal tooth. > Steve > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote: > > > > Hi steve > > > > I am in the same situation about the 2 root canaled teeth I have - side by side > > > > in my lower jaw - my dentist is going to refer me to another holistic dentist > > who specialises in RC teeth to do a cavitat scan which checks to see whether > > there are cavitations or pockets of toxins which can form at the base of root > > canal teeth which won't show up on an ordinary dental X ray - if you have these > > > > they are leaking a constant source of toxin into your whole system which can be > > > > a cause for a lot of the ill health and problems that MCS and ES people have > >and > > > > the existence of the cavitations or even the possibility that something like > > that might exist is something that a lot of dentists aren't even trained in. I > > > know for sure in my case that a lot of my problems started after root canal > > treatment and have got steadily worse. these are the last 2 teeth I will be > > having treated and I would imagine that they alone are the cause of maybe 50% > >of > > > > my problems - and if I had to have them extracted I would gladly do so if it > > meant that my health might improve even if it meant leaving a big gap with no > > teeth. Having said that I have had 3 amalgams removed so far on one side of my > > > > mouth and since then I have had no pain in my head on driving past cell towers > > > etc and haven't had a migraine since then either - before removal it was > >getting > > > > to the stage where I was getting very debilitating migraines sometimes 2-3 a > > week. Hang in there. I'm going tomorrow for another amalgam removal treatment > >so > > > > I'm hoping it goes well. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Steph > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 21:19:20 > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > > > >  > > I'm going to ask him which other material he prefers, I don't feel good > > putting the gold in. He has used lava Crowns before, I've also heard Diamond > > Crowns are also good. > > If he prefers another non metal crown for the large molar I will go with what > >he > > > > recommends. He is very careful about his work which I like. His temporary crown > > > > is better than the real corwn he pulled off. The dentist who did the Lava > >crowns > > > > did a poor job and so did the lab. > > My holistic dentist says he uses a more expensive lab when he does lava crowns > > > because they are more difficult to cut. > > What to do about the root canal tooth is another issue. I wish they had a > >better > > > > option out there to replace it. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so > > > > unflexible. Any ideas on this? > > > > > > I'm not sure why a main molar would be a problem... I've got 2 Lava > > > crowns, and I think they're both on main molars. > > > > > > I *do* know that dentists have their own personal biases on what > > > materials should be used (I also saw a dentist once who preferred > > > gold), but these dentists are NOT taking ES into account... just > > > how long the crown might last or how strong it is. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Wow Snoeshoe - I never thought of that but thanks for the suggestion - i must
look into this and am surprised that it is not being done in the US. Maybe this is the way my nephews will have their teeth fixed in the future - no more nasty drilling and filling for them BW Steph ________________________________ From: snoshoe_2 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Thu, 19 August, 2010 2:31:54 Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns I just thought, find out if the growing a new tooth with stem cells from your own is available there. It is in some countries. Not the US for a few years yet, not sure where you are. ~ Snoshoe --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@...> wrote: > > Thanks for all the replies. > The other 2% I believe he said is platinum. I don't know about a post, I don't >think anything is used for a crown. > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so >unflexible. Any ideas on this? He said there were other options, he just >preferred the Gold based Crown. > > My Clifford test shows I tolerate Gold. Also fluoride which surprised me.I >don't react well to nickel and most other metals. Titanium is OK. > I am going back in 2 weeks to see if my gums healed properly so i can get >fitted for the permanent Crown. > As for implants they are starting to make them out of zirconium so you can >avoid titanium but very few dentists use them yet. > I have a root canaled tooth that had an apicoectomy capped with mercury >(lovely-mercury inside my gums!). I could get it pulled but then would have to >deal with either the implant or a bridge (and have 2 good teeth ground down in >the process). I'm not really prepared for that emotionally right now. > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I Ian,
I have never heard of that being done. maybe it's possible to do that on the front teeth because they don't get the force of chewing but not possible on the molars. --- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote: > > Hi, > The reason your dentist didn't suggest the cavitat scan was maybe becauseit > is a very rare technique and very few dentists (certainly in the UK) have > the machine. It is not "mainstream" and therefore over here is done > privately, at considerable expense. > > We went to an excellent holistic dentist and in view of Sue's ES he felt it > unwise to do a cavitat scan although he had the equipment (it uses > ultrasound and we feared it could worsen Sue's ES-related tinnitus). > Instead he did an exploratory biopsy on the suspect area and found a big > cavity underneath. He sorted this out and Sue's health did improve after > that, although it could also have been partly due to other treatment done > around the same time. A couple of years later when Sue was doing better we > went back and did the full cavitat scan, which showed the gap had fully > healed and there were no cavities around. > > A bit puzzled about the bridge - I have one where I had a front tooth > knocked out, and only the gap has a crown (or false tooth) in it. The two > teeth on either side were left intact and the bridge is bonded on to the > rear of both of them. So I didn't think healthy teeth needed to be ground > down and crowned. > > Ian > |
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No, that's the last thing you want to hear. My dentist, while removing the crown the previous dentist screwed up said there wasn't much tooth left. i didn't want to hear that either. So far with the temp in it it's not bothering me, because if it needs a root canal its going to be pulled. Then, bridge here i come. It's good to know your bridge hasn't been an issue. My mother has 4 of them without a problem. My main concern is that the teeth that get ground down for the crown decay and have to be pulled-then I'd be looking at 2-3 implants.
--- In [hidden email], "Ian Kemp" <ianandsue.kemp@...> wrote: > > For what it's worth, I've had my bridge 15 years and it has given virtually > no trouble, except once when the metal bonding failed and it came out - the > dentist reglued it. I had a crown before and it gave me lots of trouble > over the years - came out a few times and eventually would not hold any more > as the root bone split and had to be removed. I remember the dentist saying > "Oh shit" when he found the split when trying to replace the crown - not > very reassuring! > > Ian > |
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I'm in the US so that's not an option unfortunately. maybe I should hold out until it is.
--- In [hidden email], "snoshoe_2" <snoshoe_2@...> wrote: > > I just thought, > find out if the growing a new tooth with stem cells from your own is available there. It is in some countries. Not the US for a few years yet, not sure where you are. > > ~ Snoshoe > > > --- In [hidden email], "torch369" <torch369@> wrote: > > > > Thanks for all the replies. > > The other 2% I believe he said is platinum. I don't know about a post, I don't think anything is used for a crown. > > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so unflexible. Any ideas on this? He said there were other options, he just preferred the Gold based Crown. > > My Clifford test shows I tolerate Gold. Also fluoride which surprised me. I don't react well to nickel and most other metals. Titanium is OK. > > I am going back in 2 weeks to see if my gums healed properly so i can get fitted for the permanent Crown. > > As for implants they are starting to make them out of zirconium so you can avoid titanium but very few dentists use them yet. > > I have a root canaled tooth that had an apicoectomy capped with mercury(lovely-mercury inside my gums!). I could get it pulled but then would have to deal with either the implant or a bridge (and have 2 good teeth grounddown in the process). I'm not really prepared for that emotionally right now. > > > |
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Hi Steph,
I only know of one holistic dentist in my area who does them and I'm not sure how i feel about her-I was not impressed with her office although she studies implants quite a bit. She also does ozone therapy which most don't doat all. I will do more research on the zirconium implants, bone merge is very important. I know it will be biocompatible but it must become a part of you to really work. I would like to wait a while until we know for sure if it's good or not. Steve --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Hi Steve > > After reading your post I googled the zirconuim implant and up it came - I think > they call it by the brand name of Ceron? I just did a very quick look which I am > going to have to research a bit more and noticed that there was some suggestion > that the zirconium might not merge as well with the bone as a titanium one would > which I want to dig deeper into. But I also made the mistake of actually > watching a you tube clip which showed the whole procedure from start to finish. > I was gripping my sides in pain wincing at it watching it because it sureisn't > pretty viewing. But it is very clear that there is no metal involved and the > material is supposed to be highly biocompatible. If you google zirconium dental > implants as I did you would be able to see the clip. > > Best wishes > > Steph |
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That's the problem, there's no easy answer. The bridge is less invasive though. The implant, as you saw from the video, gets implanted into your jaw. I know some people who have had problems with them.
--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Yes Steve I checked that out too and you are right - oh man - I would more than > expect to have a gob of mercury at the foot of my RC embedded in my gun which > would also leaving me facing an extraction. And then what to do? Bridge or > implant? at least with implant it means you keep your remaining teeth foras > long as you can rather than having crowns. If I have cavitations I would need to > have the RCs taken out anyway. So I have a lot of thinking and researching to do > on this. My teeth that have been treated so far feel much much stronger than > they did when they were filled with amalgam . > > BW > > Steph > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Wed, 18 August, 2010 16:13:06 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > > Â > Hi Steph, > I'm surprised my dentist didn't mention the cavitat scan. He did send me to an > endodontist that he trusts and he x rayed the area and found no infection > anywhere near the area or in the bone. The x ray also showed 2 blobs of mercury > that were used to seal off an apicoectomy I had done to that root canal! Real > nice having mercury inside my gums. Pulling the tooth would be the only way to > get it out. > As for the bridge, they do have to grind down the teeth around it. basically > they use the surrounding teeth to hold up a false tooth in the middle. The only > way to do this is to crown the surrounding teeth. > That's the issue-there are no great answers to what to do about the hole.That's > what is keeping me from extracting that tooth right away. > Steve |
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Yes Steve - there could be something in waiting for a bit to see if anything
more promsing comes along maybe in the stem cells thing - isn't it a pity that the damaging technolgy like mobile phones and wifi races along at speed andyet health developments which could help those affected are moving at what feels like snail pace in comparison. BW Steph ________________________________ From: torch369 <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Thu, 19 August, 2010 19:25:55 Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns Hi Steph, I only know of one holistic dentist in my area who does them and I'm not sure how i feel about her-I was not impressed with her office although she studies implants quite a bit. She also does ozone therapy which most don't do at all. I will do more research on the zirconium implants, bone merge is very important. I know it will be biocompatible but it must become a part of you to really work. I would like to wait a while until we know for sure if it's good or not. Steve --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Hi Steve > > After reading your post I googled the zirconuim implant and up it came - I >think > > they call it by the brand name of Ceron? I just did a very quick look which I >am > > going to have to research a bit more and noticed that there was some suggestion > > that the zirconium might not merge as well with the bone as a titanium one >would > > which I want to dig deeper into. But I also made the mistake of actually > watching a you tube clip which showed the whole procedure from start to finish. > > I was gripping my sides in pain wincing at it watching it because it sureisn't > > pretty viewing. But it is very clear that there is no metal involved and the > material is supposed to be highly biocompatible. If you google zirconium dental > > implants as I did you would be able to see the clip. > > Best wishes > > Steph [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Yes, dentistry in particular. Way too slow
--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Yes Steve - there could be something in waiting for a bit to see if anything > more promsing comes along maybe in the stem cells thing - isn't it a pitythat > the damaging technolgy like mobile phones and wifi races along at speed and yet > health developments which could help those affected are moving at what feels > like snail pace in comparison. > > BW > > Steph > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Thu, 19 August, 2010 19:25:55 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > > Â > Hi Steph, > I only know of one holistic dentist in my area who does them and I'm not sure > how i feel about her-I was not impressed with her office although she studies > implants quite a bit. She also does ozone therapy which most don't do at all. > I will do more research on the zirconium implants, bone merge is very important. > I know it will be biocompatible but it must become a part of you to really work. > I would like to wait a while until we know for sure if it's good or not. > Steve > > --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote: > > > > Hi Steve > > > > After reading your post I googled the zirconuim implant and up it came - I > >think > > > > they call it by the brand name of Ceron? I just did a very quick look which I > >am > > > > going to have to research a bit more and noticed that there was some suggestion > > > > that the zirconium might not merge as well with the bone as a titanium one > >would > > > > which I want to dig deeper into. But I also made the mistake of actually > > watching a you tube clip which showed the whole procedure from start tofinish. > > > > I was gripping my sides in pain wincing at it watching it because it sure isn't > > > > pretty viewing. But it is very clear that there is no metal involved and the > > material is supposed to be highly biocompatible. If you google zirconium dental > > > > implants as I did you would be able to see the clip. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Steph > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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> Loni wrote: > I pulled my tooth but am regretting it (after RC) I wish I had done the > Clifford & figured out an acceptable crown. (if possible) Now I have this > gap but my tongue always fills it in. Hard to eat at times & the gap gives me > a headache. > > I am looking at an implant after the clifford test but that is really > concerning. I could do the bridge but they seem bothersome to me! > > > A dentist like Dr. Cook can make you a partial that is non-toxic and Shivani Arjuna www.LifeEnergies.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I'm in Arizona!
--- On Fri, 8/20/10, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote: From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]> Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns To: [hidden email] Date: Friday, August 20, 2010, 9:51 AM > Loni wrote: > I pulled my tooth but am regretting it (after RC) I wish I had done the > Clifford & figured out an acceptable crown. (if possible) Now I have this > gap but my tongue always fills it in. Hard to eat at times & the gap gives me > a headache. > > I am looking at an implant after the clifford test but that is really > concerning. I could do the bridge but they seem bothersome to me! > > > A dentist like Dr. Cook can make you a partial that is non-toxic and Shivani Arjuna www.LifeEnergies.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Stephanie
My bridge is a single tooth with a metal strip along the back. It is a central incisor so is bonded to an incisor on either side. torch369's point that it may be different for molars seems reasonable. I'm not ES so the metal hasn't caused me any problems, but I guess it might be awkward for some. Yes, it was John Ahearne in Poole that we went to, and we found him most helpful and very competent - prepared to think through the best treatment for the individual patient. The cavity was actually where Sue had already had a wisdom tooth extracted a couple of years earlier - the wound had not healed properly. (All 4 wisdom teeth had been taken out simultaneously in hospital, but only one site had felt troublesome afterwards). He cleaned it out very thoroughly and Sue's health did improve somewhat after that, probably because a source of bacterial infection had been removed. As mentioned, the full cavitat scan a year or two later showed that the wound had now healed properly and sealed up, and confirmed the other 3 sites were OK. She didn't need any further teeth extracted, nor any additional mouth surgery. Best wishes, Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stephanie Smith Sent: 19 August 2010 13:39 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns / Cavitat scans Hi Ian Thank you very much for this post - I too thought that was how a bridge could be fitted - without the need to grind down nearby healthy teeth. Can I ask does your bridge have metal in it or was it possible to do that without uding metal? I am thinking though that perhaps for stability reasons and where there might be a bigger gap than one tooth involved it might be necessary to use the crown method of bridging in case attaching it to neighbouring teeth might not be strong enough. This is something I will have to look at in more detail and wich that I had gone into it further with my holistic dentist at the outset. I am posting from the UK and am wondering, out of interest, whether Sue went to John Ahearne in Poole perhaps - that is the guy my holistic dentist is going to refer me to and I was just wondering if it was the same one . When he did the biopsy did this mean that Sue was able to keep her tooth and not have to have it extracted? . Best wishes ________________________________ From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email] <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, 18 August, 2010 23:57:35 Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns / Cavitat scans Hi, The reason your dentist didn't suggest the cavitat scan was maybe because it is a very rare technique and very few dentists (certainly in the UK) have the machine. It is not "mainstream" and therefore over here is done privately, at considerable expense. We went to an excellent holistic dentist and in view of Sue's ES he felt it unwise to do a cavitat scan although he had the equipment (it uses ultrasound and we feared it could worsen Sue's ES-related tinnitus). Instead he did an exploratory biopsy on the suspect area and found a big cavity underneath. He sorted this out and Sue's health did improve after that, although it could also have been partly due to other treatment done around the same time. A couple of years later when Sue was doing better we went back and did the full cavitat scan, which showed the gap had fully healed and there were no cavities around. A bit puzzled about the bridge - I have one where I had a front tooth knocked out, and only the gap has a crown (or false tooth) in it. The two teeth on either side were left intact and the bridge is bonded on to the rear of both of them. So I didn't think healthy teeth needed to be ground down and crowned. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of torch369 Sent: 18 August 2010 16:13 To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns Hi Steph, I'm surprised my dentist didn't mention the cavitat scan. He did send me to an endodontist that he trusts and he x rayed the area and found no infection anywhere near the area or in the bone. The x ray also showed 2 blobs of mercury that were used to seal off an apicoectomy I had done to that root canal! Real nice having mercury inside my gums. Pulling the tooth would be the only way to get it out. As for the bridge, they do have to grind down the teeth around it. basically they use the surrounding teeth to hold up a false tooth in the middle. The only way to do this is to crown the surrounding teeth. That's the issue-there are no great answers to what to do about the hole. That's what is keeping me from extracting that tooth right away. Steve --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Hi Steve > > That is where the cavistat scan would come in - an ordinary X ray will only show > so much but has its limitations. The cavitat scan is able to see much more and > can show if there are little pockets of infection beneath the root canal called > cavitations. If these are there then they are leaking toxins all through your > system - I have stuff on this which I will look up and post to you. > > > From what you told me I think I have just gone about everything in the wrong way > - I got 2 teeth filled with replacement fillings yesterday but they are the 2 > teeth which are either side of the 2 root canaled teeth (one is coveredwith a > rubbish crown) - which means if I have to have the 2 root canals extracted then > I will have to get those 2 teeth I got filled yesterday ground down to take a > bridge. I didn't realise that. If I had known that I would have got the 2 root > canals looked at first [need to see another dentist for the cavitat scan for > that]. I'm not happy about root canal at all - a root canal tooth is a dead > tooth and you don't want to have something dead inside your body. Plus from what > I have read it is virtually impossible for a dentist - no matter how competent > to completely clean out and sterilise all of the myriad little chambers [aside > from the main roots which is what you think of when you think of a root canal. I > think my dentist is operating on the premise that if the root canals are sound > [highly doubtful I think] she will just replace the fillings in them and do a > new crown. I am coming from the perspective of extracting them and either > leaving a big gap or going for an implant, but I don't think I want them in my > mouth. Do they have to grind down the good teeth to support a bridge? > > BW > > Steph > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, 16 August, 2010 15:49:00 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > >  > Hi Steph, > Keep us posted on what you find and what you do. My root canal tooth is a alrge > molar on top and I wouldn't want to leave the space empty. I have 2 teeth on > either side for a bridge but that would mean cutting down 2 good teeth and what > happens if they fail? > I have a mercury filling next to that root canal tooth and I am going to have it > replaced but i was waiting until I decided whether to have the tooth pulled > because if i was then putting another filling in would be a waste of money if it > was going to be prepped for a supporting crown. > I had the area x rayed and there is no sign of infection or bone loss but of > course it can't see under the crown that's over the root canal tooth. > Steve > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote: > > > > Hi steve > > > > I am in the same situation about the 2 root canaled teeth I have - side by side > > > > in my lower jaw - my dentist is going to refer me to another holistic dentist > > who specialises in RC teeth to do a cavitat scan which checks to see whether > > there are cavitations or pockets of toxins which can form at the base of root > > canal teeth which won't show up on an ordinary dental X ray - if you have these > > > > they are leaking a constant source of toxin into your whole system which can be > > > > a cause for a lot of the ill health and problems that MCS and ES people have > >and > > > > the existence of the cavitations or even the possibility that something like > > that might exist is something that a lot of dentists aren't even trained in. I > > > know for sure in my case that a lot of my problems started after root canal > > treatment and have got steadily worse. these are the last 2 teeth I will be > > having treated and I would imagine that they alone are the cause of maybe 50% > >of > > > > my problems - and if I had to have them extracted I would gladly do so if it > > meant that my health might improve even if it meant leaving a big gap with no > > teeth.àHaving said that I have had 3 amalgams removed so far on one side of my > > > > mouth and since then I have had no pain in my head on driving past cell towers > > > etc and haven't had a migraine since then either - before removal it was > >getting > > > > to the stage where I was getting very debilitating migraines sometimes 2-3 a > > week. Hang in there. I'm going tomorrow for another amalgam removal treatment > >so > > > > I'm hoping it goes well. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Steph > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 21:19:20 > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > > > > à> > I'm going to ask him which other material he prefers, I don't feel good about > > putting the gold in. He has used lava Crowns before, I've also heard Diamond > > Crowns are also good. > > If he prefers another non metal crown for the large molar I will go with what > >he > > > > recommends. He is very careful about his work which I like. His temporary crown > > > > is better than the real corwn he pulled off. The dentist who did the Lava > >crowns > > > > did a poor job and so did the lab. > > My holistic dentist says he uses a more expensive lab when he does lava crowns > > > because they are more difficult to cut. > > What to do about the root canal tooth is another issue. I wish they had a > >better > > > > option out there to replace it. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so > > > > unflexible. Any ideas on this? > > > > > > I'm not sure why a main molar would be a problem... I've got 2 Lava > > > crowns, and I think they're both on main molars. > > > > > > I *do* know that dentists have their own personal biases on what > > > materials should be used (I also saw a dentist once who preferred > > > gold), but these dentists are NOT taking ES into account... just > > > how long the crown might last or how strong it is. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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Hi Ian
Many thanks for the reply on this. It would seem that different approaches are used for incisors and molars when it comes to bridges and something stronger may be needed to hold a bridge in place for a molar. Thanks so much for the information about John Ahearne. My dentist is going to arrange a referral for me to see him and speaks very highly of his work. I had some amalgam removed either side of 2 root canal filled teeth last week andhave had a lot of problems since and I don't think it is the new fillings which are the problem but rather that the problem is coming from the 2 root canals which have always felt tender and twingy at the base of the root. Right now it just feels like they are gassing off metals in a horrible way and the sooner I can get them looked at the better. It is highly likely (I think - in my case the 2 RCs were done by very a incompetent dentist) that I could have a cavitationat the base of them, similar to what Sue had after her wisdom tooth extraction. I can imagine that the procedure Sue underwent to deal with that was very painful at the time, but ultimately beneficial not to have that continuing source of infection leaching into her system like that. I am glad it was successful for her and am sure that it helped her to make some improvements. It gives me alot of hope to know this and to have this information about Dr Ahearne so many thanks for the reply. Hope Sue continues to do well. Best wishes Steph ________________________________ From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email]> To: [hidden email] Sent: Mon, 23 August, 2010 2:13:29 Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns / Cavitat scans Hi Stephanie My bridge is a single tooth with a metal strip along the back. It is a central incisor so is bonded to an incisor on either side. torch369's point that it may be different for molars seems reasonable. I'm not ES so the metal hasn't caused me any problems, but I guess it might be awkward for some. Yes, it was John Ahearne in Poole that we went to, and we found him most helpful and very competent - prepared to think through the best treatment for the individual patient. The cavity was actually where Sue had already had a wisdom tooth extracted a couple of years earlier - the wound had not healed properly. (All 4 wisdom teeth had been taken out simultaneously in hospital, but only one site had felt troublesome afterwards). He cleaned it out very thoroughly and Sue's health did improve somewhat after that, probably because a source of bacterial infection had been removed. As mentioned, the full cavitat scan a year or two later showed that the wound had now healed properly and sealed up, and confirmed the other 3 sites were OK. She didn't need any further teeth extracted, nor any additional mouth surgery. Best wishes, Ian _____ From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of Stephanie Smith Sent: 19 August 2010 13:39 To: [hidden email] Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns / Cavitat scans Hi Ian Thank you very much for this post - I too thought that was how a bridge could be fitted - without the need to grind down nearby healthy teeth. Can I ask does your bridge have metal in it or was it possible to do that without uding metal? I am thinking though that perhaps for stability reasons and where there might be a bigger gap than one tooth involved it might be necessary to use the crown method of bridging in case attaching it to neighbouring teeth might not be strong enough. This is something I will have to look at in more detail and wich that I had gone into it further with my holistic dentist at the outset. I am posting from the UK and am wondering, out of interest, whether Sue went to John Ahearne in Poole perhaps - that is the guy my holistic dentist is going to refer me to and I was just wondering if it was the same one . When he did the biopsy did this mean that Sue was able to keep her tooth and not have to have it extracted? . Best wishes ________________________________ From: Ian Kemp <[hidden email] <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> Sent: Wed, 18 August, 2010 23:57:35 Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns / Cavitat scans Hi, The reason your dentist didn't suggest the cavitat scan was maybe because it is a very rare technique and very few dentists (certainly in the UK) have the machine. It is not "mainstream" and therefore over here is done privately, at considerable expense. We went to an excellent holistic dentist and in view of Sue's ES he felt it unwise to do a cavitat scan although he had the equipment (it uses ultrasound and we feared it could worsen Sue's ES-related tinnitus). Instead he did an exploratory biopsy on the suspect area and found a big cavity underneath. He sorted this out and Sue's health did improve after that, although it could also have been partly due to other treatment done around the same time. A couple of years later when Sue was doing better we went back and did the full cavitat scan, which showed the gap had fully healed and there were no cavities around. A bit puzzled about the bridge - I have one where I had a front tooth knocked out, and only the gap has a crown (or false tooth) in it. The two teeth on either side were left intact and the bridge is bonded on to the rear of both of them. So I didn't think healthy teeth needed to be ground down and crowned. Ian _____ From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of torch369 Sent: 18 August 2010 16:13 To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns Hi Steph, I'm surprised my dentist didn't mention the cavitat scan. He did send me to an endodontist that he trusts and he x rayed the area and found no infection anywhere near the area or in the bone. The x ray also showed 2 blobs of mercury that were used to seal off an apicoectomy I had done to that root canal! Real nice having mercury inside my gums. Pulling the tooth would be the only way to get it out. As for the bridge, they do have to grind down the teeth around it. basically they use the surrounding teeth to hold up a false tooth in the middle. The only way to do this is to crown the surrounding teeth. That's the issue-there are no great answers to what to do about the hole. That's what is keeping me from extracting that tooth right away. Steve --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Hi Steve > > That is where the cavistat scan would come in - an ordinary X ray will only show > so much but has its limitations. The cavitat scan is able to see much more and > can show if there are little pockets of infection beneath the root canal called > cavitations. If these are there then they are leaking toxins all through your > system - I have stuff on this which I will look up and post to you. > > > From what you told me I think I have just gone about everything in the wrong way > - I got 2 teeth filled with replacement fillings yesterday but they are the 2 > teeth which are either side of the 2 root canaled teeth (one is coveredwith a > rubbish crown) - which means if I have to have the 2 root canals extracted then > I will have to get those 2 teeth I got filled yesterday ground down to take a > bridge. I didn't realise that. If I had known that I would have got the 2 root > canals looked at first [need to see another dentist for the cavitat scan for > that]. I'm not happy about root canal at all - a root canal tooth is a dead > tooth and you don't want to have something dead inside your body. Plus from what > I have read it is virtually impossible for a dentist - no matter how competent > to completely clean out and sterilise all of the myriad little chambers [aside > from the main roots which is what you think of when you think of a root canal. I > think my dentist is operating on the premise that if the root canals are sound > [highly doubtful I think] she will just replace the fillings in them and do a > new crown. I am coming from the perspective of extracting them and either > leaving a big gap or going for an implant, but I don't think I wantthem in my > mouth. Do they have to grind down the good teeth to support a bridge? > > BW > > Steph > > > > > ________________________________ > From: torch369 <torch369@...> > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Mon, 16 August, 2010 15:49:00 > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > >  > Hi Steph, > Keep us posted on what you find and what you do. My root canal tooth is a alrge > molar on top and I wouldn't want to leave the space empty. I have 2 teeth on > either side for a bridge but that would mean cutting down 2 good teeth and what > happens if they fail? > I have a mercury filling next to that root canal tooth and I am going to have it > replaced but i was waiting until I decided whether to have the tooth pulled > because if i was then putting another filling in would be a waste of money if it > was going to be prepped for a supporting crown. > I had the area x rayed and there is no sign of infection or bone loss but of > course it can't see under the crown that's over the root canal tooth. > Steve > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote: > > > > Hi steve > > > > I am in the same situation about the 2 root canaled teeth I have - side by side > > > > in my lower jaw - my dentist is going to refer me to another holistic dentist > > who specialises in RC teeth to do a cavitat scan which checks to see whether > > there are cavitations or pockets of toxins which can form at the base of root > > canal teeth which won't show up on an ordinary dental X ray - if you have these > > > > they are leaking a constant source of toxin into your whole system which can be > > > > a cause for a lot of the ill health and problems that MCS and ES people have > >and > > > > the existence of the cavitations or even the possibility that something like > > that might exist is something that a lot of dentists aren't even trained in. I > > > know for sure in my case that a lot of my problems started after root canal > > treatment and have got steadily worse. these are the last 2 teeth I will be > > having treated and I would imagine that they alone are the cause of maybe 50% > >of > > > > my problems - and if I had to have them extracted I would gladly do so if it > > meant that my health might improve even if it meant leaving a big gap with no > > teeth. Having said that I have had 3 amalgams removed so far on one side of my > > > > mouth and since then I have had no pain in my head on driving past cell towers > > > etc and haven't had a migraine since then either - before removal it was > >getting > > > > to the stage where I was getting very debilitating migraines sometimes 2-3 a > > week. Hang in there. I'm going tomorrow for another amalgam removal treatment > >so > > > > I'm hoping it goes well. > > > > Best wishes > > > > Steph > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 21:19:20 > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > > > >  > > I'm going to ask him which other material he prefers, I don't feel good about > > putting the gold in. He has used lava Crowns before, I've also heard Diamond > > Crowns are also good. > > If he prefers another non metal crown for the large molar I will go with what > >he > > > > recommends. He is very careful about his work which I like. His temporary crown > > > > is better than the real corwn he pulled off. The dentist who did the Lava > >crowns > > > > did a poor job and so did the lab. > > My holistic dentist says he uses a more expensive lab when he does lava crowns > > > because they are more difficult to cut. > > What to do about the root canal tooth is another issue. I wish they had a > >better > > > > option out there to replace it. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so > > > > unflexible. Any ideas on this? > > > > > > I'm not sure why a main molar would be a problem... I've got 2 Lava > > > crowns, and I think they're both on main molars. > > > > > > I *do* know that dentists have their own personal biases on what > > > materials should be used (I also saw a dentist once who preferred > > > gold), but these dentists are NOT taking ES into account... just > > > how long the crown might last or how strong it is. > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] |
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I just had an amalgam removed next to my root canal tooth and I am getting gum sensitivity also behind that tooth on the gum line. I think it may be due to the clamp used to keep the dam in place. I think it irritated the gumthere. At least that's what I hope it is. I am rinsing with warm salt water and hopefully that will heal the tenderness.
--- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@...> wrote: > > Hi Ian > > Many thanks for the reply on this. It would seem that different approaches are > used for incisors and molars when it comes to bridges and something stronger may > be needed to hold a bridge in place for a molar. > > Thanks so much for the information about John Ahearne. My dentist is going to > arrange a referral for me to see him and speaks very highly of his work. I had > some amalgam removed either side of 2 root canal filled teeth last week and have > had a lot of problems since and I don't think it is the new fillings which are > the problem but rather that the problem is coming from the 2 root canals which > have always felt tender and twingy at the base of the root. Right now it just > feels like they are gassing off metals in a horrible way and the sooner Ican > get them looked at the better. It is highly likely (I think - in my case the 2 > RCs were done by very a incompetent dentist) that I could have a cavitation at > the base of them, similar to what Sue had after her wisdom tooth extraction. I > can imagine that the procedure Sue underwent to deal with that was very painful > at the time, but ultimately beneficial not to have that continuing sourceof > infection leaching into her system like that. I am glad it was successful for > her and am sure that it helped her to make some improvements. It gives mea lot > of hope to know this and to have this information about Dr Ahearne so many > thanks for the reply. Hope Sue continues to do well. > > Best wishes > > Steph > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@...> > To: [hidden email] > Sent: Mon, 23 August, 2010 2:13:29 > Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns / Cavitat scans > >  > Hi Stephanie > > My bridge is a single tooth with a metal strip along the back. It is a > central incisor so is bonded to an incisor on either side. torch369's point > that it may be different for molars seems reasonable. I'm not ES so the > metal hasn't caused me any problems, but I guess it might be awkward for > some. > > Yes, it was John Ahearne in Poole that we went to, and we found him most > helpful and very competent - prepared to think through the best treatment > for the individual patient. The cavity was actually where Sue had already > had a wisdom tooth extracted a couple of years earlier - the wound had not > healed properly. (All 4 wisdom teeth had been taken out simultaneously in > hospital, but only one site had felt troublesome afterwards). He cleaned it > out very thoroughly and Sue's health did improve somewhat after that, > probably because a source of bacterial infection had been removed. As > mentioned, the full cavitat scan a year or two later showed that the wound > had now healed properly and sealed up, and confirmed the other 3 sites were > OK. She didn't need any further teeth extracted, nor any additional mouth > surgery. > > Best wishes, Ian > > _____ > > From: [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] On Behalf Of > Stephanie Smith > Sent: 19 August 2010 13:39 > To: [hidden email] > Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns / Cavitat scans > > Hi Ian > > Thank you very much for this post - I too thought that was how a bridge > could be > fitted - without the need to grind down nearby healthy teeth. Can I ask does > > your bridge have metal in it or was it possible to do that without uding > metal? > I am thinking though that perhaps for stability reasons and where there > might be > a bigger gap than one tooth involved it might be necessary to use the crown > method of bridging in case attaching it to neighbouring teeth might not be > strong enough. This is something I will have to look at in more detail and > wich > that I had gone into it further with my holistic dentist at the outset. Iam > > posting from the UK and am wondering, out of interest, whether Sue went to > John > Ahearne in Poole perhaps - that is the guy my holistic dentist is going to > refer > me to and I was just wondering if it was the same one . When he did the > biopsy > did this mean that Sue was able to keep her tooth and not have to have it > extracted? > . > Best wishes > > ________________________________ > From: Ian Kemp <ianandsue.kemp@... > <mailto:ianandsue.kemp%40ukgateway.net> > > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Wed, 18 August, 2010 23:57:35 > Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns / Cavitat scans > > Hi, > The reason your dentist didn't suggest the cavitat scan was maybe becauseit > is a very rare technique and very few dentists (certainly in the UK) have > the machine. It is not "mainstream" and therefore over here is done > privately, at considerable expense. > > We went to an excellent holistic dentist and in view of Sue's ES he felt it > unwise to do a cavitat scan although he had the equipment (it uses > ultrasound and we feared it could worsen Sue's ES-related tinnitus). > Instead he did an exploratory biopsy on the suspect area and found a big > cavity underneath. He sorted this out and Sue's health did improve after > that, although it could also have been partly due to other treatment done > around the same time. A couple of years later when Sue was doing better we > went back and did the full cavitat scan, which showed the gap had fully > healed and there were no cavities around. > > A bit puzzled about the bridge - I have one where I had a front tooth > knocked out, and only the gap has a crown (or false tooth) in it. The two > teeth on either side were left intact and the bridge is bonded on to the > rear of both of them. So I didn't think healthy teeth needed to be ground > down and crowned. > > Ian > > _____ > > From: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > [mailto:[hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf > Of > torch369 > Sent: 18 August 2010 16:13 > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > > Hi Steph, > I'm surprised my dentist didn't mention the cavitat scan. He did send me to > an endodontist that he trusts and he x rayed the area and found no infection > anywhere near the area or in the bone. The x ray also showed 2 blobs of > mercury that were used to seal off an apicoectomy I had done to that root > canal! Real nice having mercury inside my gums. Pulling the tooth would be > the only way to get it out. > As for the bridge, they do have to grind down the teeth around it. basically > they use the surrounding teeth to hold up a false tooth in the middle. The > only way to do this is to crown the surrounding teeth. > That's the issue-there are no great answers to what to do about the hole. > That's what is keeping me from extracting that tooth right away. > Steve > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Stephanie > Smith <reader41@> wrote: > > > > Hi Steve > > > > That is where the cavistat scan would come in - an ordinary X ray will > only show > > so much but has its limitations. The cavitat scan is able to see much more > and > > can show if there are little pockets of infection beneath the root canal > called > > cavitations. If these are there then they are leaking toxins all through > your > > system - I have stuff on this which I will look up and post to you. > > > > > > From what you told me I think I have just gone about everything in the > wrong way > > - I got 2 teeth filled with replacement fillings yesterday but they are > the 2 > > teeth which are either side of the 2 root canaled teeth (one is > coveredwith a > > rubbish crown)à - which means if I have to have the 2 root canals > extracted then > > I will have to get those 2 teeth I got filled yesterday ground down to > take a > > bridge. I didn't realise that. If I had known that I would have got the2 > root > > canals looked at first [need to see another dentist for the cavitat scan > for > > that]. I'm not happy about root canal at all - a root canal tooth is a > dead > > tooth and you don't want to have something dead inside your body. Plus > from what > > I have read it is virtually impossible for a dentist - no matter how > competent > > to completely clean out and sterilise all of the myriad little chambers > [aside > > from the main roots which is what you think of when you think of a root > canal. I > > think my dentist is operating on the premise that if the root canals are > sound > > [highly doubtful I think] she will just replace the fillings in them and > do a > > new crown. I am coming from the perspective of extracting them and either > > leaving a big gap or going for an implant, butà I don't think I want them > in my > > mouth. Do they have to grind down the good teeth to support a bridge? > > > > BW > > > > Steph > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > Sent: Mon, 16 August, 2010 15:49:00 > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > > > > à > > Hi Steph, > > Keep us posted on what you find and what you do. My root canal tooth isa > alrge > > molar on top and I wouldn't want to leave the space empty. I have 2 teeth > on > > either side for a bridge but that would mean cutting down 2 good teeth and > what > > happens if they fail? > > I have a mercury filling next to that root canal tooth and I am going to > have it > > replaced but i was waiting until I decided whether to have the tooth > pulled > > because if i was then putting another filling in would be a waste of money > if it > > was going to be prepped for a supporting crown. > > I had the area x rayed and there is no sign of infection or bone loss but > of > > course it can't see under the crown that's over the root canal tooth. > > Steve > > > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , Stephanie > Smith <reader41@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi steve > > > > > > I am in the same situation about the 2 root canaled teeth I have - side > by side > > > > > > in my lower jaw - my dentist is going to refer me to another holistic > dentist > > > who specialises in RC teeth to do a cavitat scan which checks to see > whether > > > there are cavitations or pockets of toxins which can form at the baseof > root > > > canal teeth which won't show up on an ordinary dental X ray - if you > have these > > > > > > they are leaking a constant source of toxin into your whole system which > can be > > > > > > a cause for a lot of the ill health and problems that MCS and ES people > have > > >and > > > > > > the existence of the cavitations or even the possibility that something > like > > > that might exist is something that a lot of dentists aren't even trained > in. I > > > > > know for sure in my case that a lot of my problems started after root > canal > > > treatment and have got steadily worse. these are the last 2 teeth I will > be > > > having treated and I would imagine that they alone are the cause of > maybe 50% > > >of > > > > > > my problems - and if I had to have them extracted I would gladly do so > if it > > > meant that my health might improve even if it meant leaving a big gap > with no > > > teeth.Ãâà Having said that I have had 3 amalgams removed so far on one > side of my > > > > > > mouth and since then I have had no pain in my head on driving past cell > towers > > > > > etc and haven't had a migraine since then either - before removal it was > > > >getting > > > > > > to the stage where I was getting very debilitating migraines sometimes > 2-3 a > > > week. Hang in there. I'm going tomorrow for another amalgam removal > treatment > > >so > > > > > > I'm hoping it goes well. > > > > > > Best wishes > > > > > > Steph > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > From: torch369 <torch369@> > > > To: [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > > > Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 21:19:20 > > > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns > > > > > > Ãâà > > > I'm going to ask him which other material he prefers, I don't feel good > about > > > putting the gold in. He has used lava Crowns before, I've also heard > Diamond > > > Crowns are also good. > > > If he prefers another non metal crown for the large molar I will go with > what > > >he > > > > > > recommends. He is very careful about his work which I like. His > temporary crown > > > > > > is better than the real corwn he pulled off. The dentist who did the > Lava > > >crowns > > > > > > did a poor job and so did the lab. > > > My holistic dentist says he uses a more expensive lab when he does lava > crowns > > > > > because they are more difficult to cut. > > > What to do about the root canal tooth is another issue. I wish they had > a > > >better > > > > > > option out there to replace it. > > > Steve > > > > > > --- In [hidden email] <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> > <mailto:eSens%40yahoogroups.com> , "Marc > Martin" <marc@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's > so > > > > > unflexible. Any ideas on this? > > > > > > > > I'm not sure why a main molar would be a problem... I've got 2 Lava > > > > crowns, and I think they're both on main molars. > > > > > > > > I *do* know that dentists have their own personal biases on what > > > > materials should be used (I also saw a dentist once who preferred > > > > gold), but these dentists are NOT taking ES into account... just > > > > how long the crown might last or how strong it is. > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > |
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