Gold Crowns

>
> > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so
> > unflexible. Any ideas on this?
>
> I'm not sure why a main molar would be a problem... I've got 2 Lava
> crowns, and I think they're both on main molars.
>
> I *do* know that dentists have their own personal biases on what
> materials should be used (I also saw a dentist once who preferred
> gold), but these dentists are NOT taking ES into account... just
> how long the crown might last or how strong it is.
>
> Marc
>

>
> > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so
> > unflexible. Any ideas on this?
>
> I'm not sure why a main molar would be a problem... I've got 2 Lava
> crowns, and I think they're both on main molars.
>
> I *do* know that dentists have their own personal biases on what
> materials should be used (I also saw a dentist once who preferred
> gold), but these dentists are NOT taking ES into account... just
> how long the crown might last or how strong it is.
>
> Marc
>

>
> Torch
>
> The part of the implant that you see on the surface of the gum and in your mouth
> might be zieconium but they have to fix that implant into something to hold it
> in your gum - [look online and you can see pictures of the fixing implanted into
> a gum - and that fixing is titanium. My holistic dentist advised against it in
> my case because of the metals sensitivity.
>
> BW
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Fri, 13 August, 2010 20:15:30
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns
>
>  
> Thanks for all the replies.
> The other 2% I believe he said is platinum. I don't know about a post, I don't
> think anything is used for a crown.
> He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so
> unflexible. Any ideas on this? He said there were other options, he just
> preferred the Gold based Crown.
>
> My Clifford test shows I tolerate Gold. Also fluoride which surprised me.I
> don't react well to nickel and most other metals. Titanium is OK.
> I am going back in 2 weeks to see if my gums healed properly so i can getfitted
> for the permanent Crown.
> As for implants they are starting to make them out of zirconium so you can avoid
> titanium but very few dentists use them yet.
> I have a root canaled tooth that had an apicoectomy capped with mercury
> (lovely-mercury inside my gums!). I could get it pulled but then would have to
> deal with either the implant or a bridge (and have 2 good teeth ground down in
> the process). I'm not really prepared for that emotionally right now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi steve
>
> I am in the same situation about the 2 root canaled teeth I have - side by side
> in my lower jaw - my dentist is going to refer me to another holistic dentist
> who specialises in RC teeth to do a cavitat scan which checks to see whether
> there are cavitations or pockets of toxins which can form at the base of root
> canal teeth which won't show up on an ordinary dental X ray - if you havethese
> they are leaking a constant source of toxin into your whole system which can be
> a cause for a lot of the ill health and problems that MCS and ES people have and
> the existence of the cavitations or even the possibility that something like
> that might exist is something that a lot of dentists aren't even trained in. I
> know for sure in my case that a lot of my problems started after root canal
> treatment and have got steadily worse. these are the last 2 teeth I will be
> having treated and I would imagine that they alone are the cause of maybe50% of
> my problems - and if I had to have them extracted I would gladly do so ifit
> meant that my health might improve even if it meant leaving a big gap with no
> teeth. Having said that I have had 3 amalgams removed so far on one side of my
> mouth and since then I have had no pain in my head on driving past cell towers
> etc and haven't had a migraine since then either - before removal it was getting
> to the stage where I was getting very debilitating migraines sometimes 2-3 a
> week. Hang in there. I'm going tomorrow for another amalgam removal treatment so
> I'm hoping it goes well.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 21:19:20
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns
>
>  
> I'm going to ask him which other material he prefers, I don't feel good about
> putting the gold in. He has used lava Crowns before, I've also heard Diamond
> Crowns are also good.
> If he prefers another non metal crown for the large molar I will go with what he
> recommends. He is very careful about his work which I like. His temporarycrown
> is better than the real corwn he pulled off. The dentist who did the Lavacrowns
> did a poor job and so did the lab.
> My holistic dentist says he uses a more expensive lab when he does lava crowns
> because they are more difficult to cut.
> What to do about the root canal tooth is another issue. I wish they had abetter
> option out there to replace it.
> Steve
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >
> > > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so
> > > unflexible. Any ideas on this?
> >
> > I'm not sure why a main molar would be a problem... I've got 2 Lava
> > crowns, and I think they're both on main molars.
> >
> > I *do* know that dentists have their own personal biases on what
> > materials should be used (I also saw a dentist once who preferred
> > gold), but these dentists are NOT taking ES into account... just
> > how long the crown might last or how strong it is.
> >
> > Marc
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Torch
>
> The part of the implant that you see on the surface of the gum and in your mouth
> might be zieconium but they have to fix that implant into something to hold it
> in your gum - [look online and you can see pictures of the fixing implanted into
> a gum - and that fixing is titanium. My holistic dentist advised against it in
> my case because of the metals sensitivity.
>
> BW
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Fri, 13 August, 2010 20:15:30
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns
>
>  
> Thanks for all the replies.
> The other 2% I believe he said is platinum. I don't know about a post, I don't
> think anything is used for a crown.
> He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so
> unflexible. Any ideas on this? He said there were other options, he just
> preferred the Gold based Crown.
>
> My Clifford test shows I tolerate Gold. Also fluoride which surprised me.I
> don't react well to nickel and most other metals. Titanium is OK.
> I am going back in 2 weeks to see if my gums healed properly so i can getfitted
> for the permanent Crown.
> As for implants they are starting to make them out of zirconium so you can avoid
> titanium but very few dentists use them yet.
> I have a root canaled tooth that had an apicoectomy capped with mercury
> (lovely-mercury inside my gums!). I could get it pulled but then would have to
> deal with either the implant or a bridge (and have 2 good teeth ground down in
> the process). I'm not really prepared for that emotionally right now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> I need an implant but have to get the clifford test done now. Isn't Titanium supposed to be inert? How have people done with that substance? 
>  
> The whole in my mouth is bothersome. I can't stand having it. Plus a get this pain in that side of my head for some reason. Maybe I have some of those cavitations. Loni
>
> --- On Mon, 8/16/10, torch369 <torch369@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Monday, August 16, 2010, 7:45 AM
>
>
>  
>
>
>
> There are implants now that are zirconium based, meaning the part that istitanium would be zirconium-all metal free. It will take some time before they are used more frequently so we can see how they work with people.
>
> --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:
> >
> > Torch
> >
> > The part of the implant that you see on the surface of the gum and in your mouth
> > might be zieconium but they have to fix that implant into something to hold it
> > in your gum - [look online and you can see pictures of the fixing implanted into
> > a gum - and that fixing is titanium. My holistic dentist advised against it in
> > my case because of the metals sensitivity.
> >
> > BW
> >
> > Steph
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: torch369 <torch369@>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Fri, 13 August, 2010 20:15:30
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns
> >
> >  
> > Thanks for all the replies.
> > The other 2% I believe he said is platinum. I don't know about a post, I don't
> > think anything is used for a crown.
> > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so
> > unflexible. Any ideas on this? He said there were other options, he just
> > preferred the Gold based Crown.
> >
> > My Clifford test shows I tolerate Gold. Also fluoride which surprised me. I
> > don't react well to nickel and most other metals. Titanium is OK.
> > I am going back in 2 weeks to see if my gums healed properly so i can get fitted
> > for the permanent Crown.
> > As for implants they are starting to make them out of zirconium so you can avoid
> > titanium but very few dentists use them yet.
> > I have a root canaled tooth that had an apicoectomy capped with mercury
> > (lovely-mercury inside my gums!). I could get it pulled but then would have to
> > deal with either the implant or a bridge (and have 2 good teeth ground down in
> > the process). I'm not really prepared for that emotionally right now.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

> my case because of the metals sensitivity.
>
> BW
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Fri, 13 August, 2010 20:15:30
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns
>
>  
> Thanks for all the replies.
> The other 2% I believe he said is platinum. I don't know about a post, I don't

> think anything is used for a crown.
> He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so
> unflexible. Any ideas on this? He said there were other options, he just
> preferred the Gold based Crown.
>
> My Clifford test shows I tolerate Gold. Also fluoride which surprised me.I
> don't react well to nickel and most other metals. Titanium is OK.
> I am going back in 2 weeks to see if my gums healed properly so i can get
>fitted
>
> for the permanent Crown.
> As for implants they are starting to make them out of zirconium so you can
>avoid
>
> titanium but very few dentists use them yet.
> I have a root canaled tooth that had an apicoectomy capped with mercury
> (lovely-mercury inside my gums!). I could get it pulled but then would have to

> the process). I'm not really prepared for that emotionally right now.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi steve
>
> I am in the same situation about the 2 root canaled teeth I have - side by side
>
> in my lower jaw - my dentist is going to refer me to another holistic dentist
> who specialises in RC teeth to do a cavitat scan which checks to see whether
> there are cavitations or pockets of toxins which can form at the base of root
> canal teeth which won't show up on an ordinary dental X ray - if you havethese
>
> they are leaking a constant source of toxin into your whole system which can be
>
> a cause for a lot of the ill health and problems that MCS and ES people have
>and
>
> the existence of the cavitations or even the possibility that something like
> that might exist is something that a lot of dentists aren't even trained in. I

> know for sure in my case that a lot of my problems started after root canal
> treatment and have got steadily worse. these are the last 2 teeth I will be
> having treated and I would imagine that they alone are the cause of maybe50%
>of
>
> my problems - and if I had to have them extracted I would gladly do so ifit
> meant that my health might improve even if it meant leaving a big gap with no
> teeth. Having said that I have had 3 amalgams removed so far on one side of my
>
> mouth and since then I have had no pain in my head on driving past cell towers

> etc and haven't had a migraine since then either - before removal it was
>getting
>
> to the stage where I was getting very debilitating migraines sometimes 2-3 a
> week. Hang in there. I'm going tomorrow for another amalgam removal treatment
>so
>
> I'm hoping it goes well.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 21:19:20
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns
>
>  
> I'm going to ask him which other material he prefers, I don't feel good about
> putting the gold in. He has used lava Crowns before, I've also heard Diamond
> Crowns are also good.
> If he prefers another non metal crown for the large molar I will go with what
>he
>
> recommends. He is very careful about his work which I like. His temporarycrown
>
> is better than the real corwn he pulled off. The dentist who did the Lava
>crowns
>
> did a poor job and so did the lab.
> My holistic dentist says he uses a more expensive lab when he does lava crowns

> because they are more difficult to cut.
> What to do about the root canal tooth is another issue. I wish they had a
>better
>
> option out there to replace it.
> Steve
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >
> > > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so
> > > unflexible. Any ideas on this?
> >
> > I'm not sure why a main molar would be a problem... I've got 2 Lava
> > crowns, and I think they're both on main molars.
> >
> > I *do* know that dentists have their own personal biases on what
> > materials should be used (I also saw a dentist once who preferred
> > gold), but these dentists are NOT taking ES into account... just
> > how long the crown might last or how strong it is.
> >
> > Marc
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> I once read a booklet on mercury poisoning which said that people with EMF
> sensitivity should have ALL metal removed from their mouth, and that
> would (I think!) include gold.
>
> Marc
>
>
> > I recently had Lava Crowns put in because they are metal free but I have
> > to get one or two replaced because they did a poor job. My new dentist,a
> > holistic dentist recommended Gold Crowns for the back molars and he said
> > the ones he uses are 98% Gold and won't react.
> > Is it OK to use Gold based crowns or will it cause as much problems as a
> > nickel based metal crown?
> >
>

>
> Hi steve
>
> I am in the same situation about the 2 root canaled teeth I have - side by side
>
> in my lower jaw - my dentist is going to refer me to another holistic dentist
> who specialises in RC teeth to do a cavitat scan which checks to see whether
> there are cavitations or pockets of toxins which can form at the base of root
> canal teeth which won't show up on an ordinary dental X ray - if you havethese
>
> they are leaking a constant source of toxin into your whole system which can be
>
> a cause for a lot of the ill health and problems that MCS and ES people have
>and
>
> the existence of the cavitations or even the possibility that something like
> that might exist is something that a lot of dentists aren't even trained in. I

> know for sure in my case that a lot of my problems started after root canal
> treatment and have got steadily worse. these are the last 2 teeth I will be
> having treated and I would imagine that they alone are the cause of maybe50%
>of
>
> my problems - and if I had to have them extracted I would gladly do so ifit
> meant that my health might improve even if it meant leaving a big gap with no
> teeth. Having said that I have had 3 amalgams removed so far on one side of my
>
> mouth and since then I have had no pain in my head on driving past cell towers

> etc and haven't had a migraine since then either - before removal it was
>getting
>
> to the stage where I was getting very debilitating migraines sometimes 2-3 a
> week. Hang in there. I'm going tomorrow for another amalgam removal treatment
>so
>
> I'm hoping it goes well.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 21:19:20
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns
>
>  
> I'm going to ask him which other material he prefers, I don't feel good about
> putting the gold in. He has used lava Crowns before, I've also heard Diamond
> Crowns are also good.
> If he prefers another non metal crown for the large molar I will go with what
>he
>
> recommends. He is very careful about his work which I like. His temporarycrown
>
> is better than the real corwn he pulled off. The dentist who did the Lava
>crowns
>
> did a poor job and so did the lab.
> My holistic dentist says he uses a more expensive lab when he does lava crowns

> because they are more difficult to cut.
> What to do about the root canal tooth is another issue. I wish they had a
>better
>
> option out there to replace it.
> Steve
>
> --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >
> > > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so
> > > unflexible. Any ideas on this?
> >
> > I'm not sure why a main molar would be a problem... I've got 2 Lava
> > crowns, and I think they're both on main molars.
> >
> > I *do* know that dentists have their own personal biases on what
> > materials should be used (I also saw a dentist once who preferred
> > gold), but these dentists are NOT taking ES into account... just
> > how long the crown might last or how strong it is.
> >
> > Marc
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Thanks Steve - I must look that up - but i don't think my dentist is aware of
> them - the ones she showed me were titanium. I still feel sort of squeamish at
> the thought of having something like that embedded in my gum which I would have
> to get over but thanks for this information.
>
> Best wishes
>
> Steph 
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Mon, 16 August, 2010 15:45:53
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns
>
>  
> There are implants now that are zirconium based, meaning the part that is
> titanium would be zirconium-all metal free. It will take some time beforethey
> are used more frequently so we can see how they work with people.
>
> --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:
> >
> > Torch
> >
> > The part of the implant that you see on the surface of the gum and in your
> >mouth
> >
> > might be zieconium but they have to fix that implant into something to hold it
>
> > in your gum - [look online and you can see pictures of the fixing implanted
> >into
> >
> > a gum - and that fixing is titanium. My holistic dentist advised against it in
>
> > my case because of the metals sensitivity.
> >
> > BW
> >
> > Steph
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: torch369 <torch369@>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Fri, 13 August, 2010 20:15:30
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns
> >
> >  
> > Thanks for all the replies.
> > The other 2% I believe he said is platinum. I don't know about a post, I don't
>
> > think anything is used for a crown.
> > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so
> > unflexible. Any ideas on this? He said there were other options, he just
> > preferred the Gold based Crown.
> >
> > My Clifford test shows I tolerate Gold. Also fluoride which surprised me. I
> > don't react well to nickel and most other metals. Titanium is OK.
> > I am going back in 2 weeks to see if my gums healed properly so i can get
> >fitted
> >
> > for the permanent Crown.
> > As for implants they are starting to make them out of zirconium so you can
> >avoid
> >
> > titanium but very few dentists use them yet.
> > I have a root canaled tooth that had an apicoectomy capped with mercury
> > (lovely-mercury inside my gums!). I could get it pulled but then would have to
>
> > deal with either the implant or a bridge (and have 2 good teeth ground down in
>
> > the process). I'm not really prepared for that emotionally right now.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>      
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

>
> Hi Steve
>
> That is where the cavistat scan would come in - an ordinary X ray will only show
> so much but has its limitations. The cavitat scan is able to see much more and
> can show if there are little pockets of infection beneath the root canal called
> cavitations. If these are there then they are leaking toxins all through your
> system - I have stuff on this which I will look up and post to you.
>
>
> From what you told me I think I have just gone about everything in the wrong way
> - I got 2 teeth filled with replacement fillings yesterday but they are the 2
> teeth which are either side of the 2 root canaled teeth (one is coveredwith a
> rubbish crown) - which means if I have to have the 2 root canals extracted then
> I will have to get those 2 teeth I got filled yesterday ground down to take a
> bridge. I didn't realise that. If I had known that I would have got the 2root
> canals looked at first [need to see another dentist for the cavitat scan for
> that]. I'm not happy about root canal at all - a root canal tooth is a dead
> tooth and you don't want to have something dead inside your body. Plus from what
> I have read it is virtually impossible for a dentist - no matter how competent
> to completely clean out and sterilise all of the myriad little chambers [aside
> from the main roots which is what you think of when you think of a root canal. I
> think my dentist is operating on the premise that if the root canals are sound
> [highly doubtful I think] she will just replace the fillings in them and do a
> new crown. I am coming from the perspective of extracting them and either
> leaving a big gap or going for an implant, but I don't think I want them in my
> mouth. Do they have to grind down the good teeth to support a bridge?
>
> BW
>
> Steph
>
>
>
>
> ________________________________
> From: torch369 <torch369@...>
> To: [hidden email]
> Sent: Mon, 16 August, 2010 15:49:00
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns
>
>  
> Hi Steph,
> Keep us posted on what you find and what you do. My root canal tooth is aalrge
> molar on top and I wouldn't want to leave the space empty. I have 2 teethon
> either side for a bridge but that would mean cutting down 2 good teeth and what
> happens if they fail?
> I have a mercury filling next to that root canal tooth and I am going to have it
> replaced but i was waiting until I decided whether to have the tooth pulled
> because if i was then putting another filling in would be a waste of money if it
> was going to be prepped for a supporting crown.
> I had the area x rayed and there is no sign of infection or bone loss butof
> course it can't see under the crown that's over the root canal tooth.
> Steve
>
> --- In [hidden email], Stephanie Smith <reader41@> wrote:
> >
> > Hi steve
> >
> > I am in the same situation about the 2 root canaled teeth I have - sideby side
> >
> > in my lower jaw - my dentist is going to refer me to another holistic dentist
> > who specialises in RC teeth to do a cavitat scan which checks to see whether
> > there are cavitations or pockets of toxins which can form at the base of root
> > canal teeth which won't show up on an ordinary dental X ray - if you have these
> >
> > they are leaking a constant source of toxin into your whole system which can be
> >
> > a cause for a lot of the ill health and problems that MCS and ES peoplehave
> >and
> >
> > the existence of the cavitations or even the possibility that somethinglike
> > that might exist is something that a lot of dentists aren't even trained in. I
>
> > know for sure in my case that a lot of my problems started after root canal
> > treatment and have got steadily worse. these are the last 2 teeth I will be
> > having treated and I would imagine that they alone are the cause of maybe 50%
> >of
> >
> > my problems - and if I had to have them extracted I would gladly do so if it
> > meant that my health might improve even if it meant leaving a big gap with no
> > teeth. Having said that I have had 3 amalgams removed so faron one side of my
> >
> > mouth and since then I have had no pain in my head on driving past celltowers
>
> > etc and haven't had a migraine since then either - before removal it was
> >getting
> >
> > to the stage where I was getting very debilitating migraines sometimes 2-3 a
> > week. Hang in there. I'm going tomorrow for another amalgam removal treatment
> >so
> >
> > I'm hoping it goes well.
> >
> > Best wishes
> >
> > Steph
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ________________________________
> > From: torch369 <torch369@>
> > To: [hidden email]
> > Sent: Sat, 14 August, 2010 21:19:20
> > Subject: [eSens] Re: Gold Crowns
> >
> >  
> > I'm going to ask him which other material he prefers, I don't feel goodabout
> > putting the gold in. He has used lava Crowns before, I've also heard Diamond
> > Crowns are also good.
> > If he prefers another non metal crown for the large molar I will go with what
> >he
> >
> > recommends. He is very careful about his work which I like. His temporary crown
> >
> > is better than the real corwn he pulled off. The dentist who did the Lava
> >crowns
> >
> > did a poor job and so did the lab.
> > My holistic dentist says he uses a more expensive lab when he does lavacrowns
>
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> > What to do about the root canal tooth is another issue. I wish they hada
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> > Steve
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> > --- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
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> > > > He didn't think Lava would be good for the main molar because it's so
> > > > unflexible. Any ideas on this?
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> > > I'm not sure why a main molar would be a problem... I've got 2 Lava
> > > crowns, and I think they're both on main molars.
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> > > I *do* know that dentists have their own personal biases on what
> > > materials should be used (I also saw a dentist once who preferred
> > > gold), but these dentists are NOT taking ES into account... just
> > > how long the crown might last or how strong it is.
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