GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL

In a message dated 18/08/2009 16:43:59 GMT Daylight Time, [hidden email]
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Is UK worse than US then for the amount of cell towers?



paul uk - There are over 60,000 in the uk although its more to do with how
the companies site the antenna, close to schools, villages etc.


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Hi Loni
 
We are a much smaller area geographically than the US so I'd say that the concentration of towers and masts is probably greater per unit of populationthan it may be in the US - but I can't be categoric about that. I think that our problems are made worse due to inadequate regulation here in the UK.Cell compaines seem to be able to install a mast at will - planning approval doesn't seem to be a problem and objections go ignored. Once one mast isup then further masts can be erected on the same site without even needingto go through the planning process and the government thinks that wifi seems to be the next best thing to sliced bread - it is everywhere and no one seems to be able to object to it - alth there is now a lower level awareness that it might not be such a good thing to have it in schools and some schools are taking their wifi out - but if they can see that for schools why can't they see it for the health of the general population also and
have proper consultation before they install it in an area.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph


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Is UK worse than US then for the amount of cell towers? 

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From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 2:48 AM

 

In a message dated 17/08/2009 16:19:54 GMT Daylight Time, stcro@rogers. com
writes:

Hi Steph,

I understand that Britain is a lost cause as far as EMF is concerned. I
lived in Surrey for many years and still visit my sister. I always felt
lousy, just thought I was Jetlaged or picked up a bug or whatever excuse I
could find.

paul uk replies - I live in surrey and yes its getting worse, but I still
get by there is lots of open countryside to get away to.

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i took pig adrenals for awhile.  you have to be very careful of the source for this, due to swine flu and other cross-over viruses.  but it helpedme immensely.  i also, concurrently, took pig's thymus, liver, and porcine pancreatic and intestinal enzymes.  these were packed in huge capsulesfor me by a nutritionist who specialized in glandular therapy.  that said, i still (for the 20 years since) need to supplement my adrenals/lymphatics now that they are beyond the brink to keep them working properly.
 
diane

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Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
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Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM


 



> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals
> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good
> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are
supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of
animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc















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hi Steph,
 
been reading your info on G Carlo's ES treatment with much interest!   one thing i have personally noticed is how many people with EMS have also previous dxes of chronic fatigue syndrome and/or fibromyalgia.  it makes perfect sense to me that mitochondria damage is part of the ES equation.  and all here would have to be blind not to know how i feel about the ion channel involvement!  lol  thanks so much for sharing this info and keep sending anything you might find.  i will be looking more into it as well.
 
thanks so much for sharing,
diane

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Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 3:30 PM


 



THanks Paul - know exactly what you describe!! it would be interesting to know how someone else gets on with that - I came across it via a lady calledPatty Hemmingway, a homeopath who had convened the meeting and invited himto speak to the group of Essers. I am trying to devise my own DIY version of what he was talking about to do whatever I can to get better and am trying to fill in some of the blanks - like interstitial cleansing??? What he said also chimed with recent research by Sarah Myhill in Bristol who treats environmental illness espec ME/CFS and she belives that mitochondrial damage contributes to this illness - which I'd say for a lot of people mimics ESbut they don't realise it and I think she also has a treatment protocol for it.
 
Regards
 
Steph

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From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 16 August, 2009, 9:07 AM

 

Paul uk -
I know someone who is using the treatment program here in the uk, I will
kep you posted. I think there is mileage in dealing with the phychological
damage that accompanies ES, ie you feel,
cheated,persecuted, tormeted, patranised, misunderstood, pessimistic, angry, and a whole lot more, certainly having
a break from your daily routine in a place that has low emf will help, but
you might find that all of the latter comes back with avengence when you
start to get burnt again trying to resume the normal daily life that you are
entitled to. and realise again how you are being cheated of you health amd
well being.
peace and love, peace and love peace and love..mmmmm its not working !

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I was thinking I should clarify my criticism of this.
First, Dr. George Carlo is not a doctor of medicine (MD).
He is a Ph.D. statistician. He also later got a law degree.
The only paper I've seen of his in this area was not explicit enough
to be reproducible. Plus he seems to be trying to make money
off of the situation, which is fine, but you should realize he is
not unbiased in what he says, as he has various financial interests.

Bearing in mind that he used to help chemical companies and
tobacco companies explain away their sins, you can reach your
own conclusions.


On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>wrote:


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Sounds like he follows the money tree.

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From: Bill Bruno <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, August 21, 2009, 3:53 PM


I was thinking I should clarify my criticism of this.
First, Dr. George Carlo is not a doctor of medicine (MD).
He is a Ph.D. statistician.  He also later got a law degree.
The only paper I've seen of his in this area was not explicit enough
to be reproducible.   Plus he seems to be trying to make money
off of the situation, which is fine, but you should realize he is
not unbiased in what he says, as he has various financial interests.

Bearing in mind that he used to help chemical companies and
tobacco companies explain away their sins, you can reach your
own conclusions.


On Fri, Aug 14, 2009 at 10:38 AM, Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>wrote:


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Hi Diane
 
One thing Lisa Nagy did suggest to me was that I should speak to the otalyrngologist about a steroidal drug called Cortef - I suppose to help the adrenals - but as this is a steroid which I was a bit wary of [I read online somewhere else that Licquorice can do just as good a job without any of the dependency problems] and in any even when I saw him he was FAR too busy to even listen to anything I would have tried to say to him on that subject [LOL] so I didn't get anywhere on that front.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 7:56 PM


 



i took pig adrenals for awhile.  you have to be very careful of the source for this, due to swine flu and other cross-over viruses.  but it helpedme immensely.  i also, concurrently, took pig's thymus, liver, and porcine pancreatic and intestinal enzymes.  these were packed in huge capsulesfor me by a nutritionist who specialized in glandular therapy.  that said, i still (for the 20 years since) need to supplement my adrenals/lymphatics now that they are beyond the brink to keep them working properly.
 
diane

--- On Sat, 8/15/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals
> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good
> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are
supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of
animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

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Thanks Bill - I did mean to come back on an earlier post of your on this and had an idea that you thought he had compromised himself because of the fact that he had previously worked for the mobile phone companies until he atleast saw the light. I had no idea though of the other facets of his background so this is good to know. All the same it doesn't hurt to explore his treatment regime if it would help throw up some answers to why our cells don't work properly and whether any of the damage can be reversed.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

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Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 10:53 PM


I was thinking I should clarify my criticism of this.
First, Dr. George Carlo is not a doctor of medicine (MD).
He is a Ph.D. statistician.  He also later got a law degree.
The only paper I've seen of his in this area was not explicit enough
to be reproducible.   Plus he seems to be trying to make money
off of the situation, which is fine, but you should realize he is
not unbiased in what he says, as he has various financial interests.

Bearing in mind that he used to help chemical companies and
tobacco companies explain away their sins, you can reach your
own conclusions.


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Hi Steph,
 
I was on Cortef for three years and it was prescribed to me by an integrative medicine physician. I doubt that otorhinonolaryngologist would venture there. Lately in Canada we have Environmental doctors that also might exist over there, worth researching.
 
Sandra

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Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
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Received: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 1:24 PM


 



Hi Diane
 
One thing Lisa Nagy did suggest to me was that I should speak to the otalyrngologist about a steroidal drug called Cortef - I suppose to help the adrenals - but as this is a steroid which I was a bit wary of [I read online somewhere else that Licquorice can do just as good a job without any of the dependency problems] and in any even when I saw him he was FAR too busy to even listen to anything I would have tried to say to him on that subject [LOL] so I didn't get anywhere on that front.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 7:56 PM

 

i took pig adrenals for awhile.  you have to be very careful of the source for this, due to swine flu and other cross-over viruses.  but it helpedme immensely.  i also, concurrently, took pig's thymus, liver, and porcine pancreatic and intestinal enzymes.  these were packed in huge capsulesfor me by a nutritionist who specialized in glandular therapy.  that said, i still (for the 20 years since) need to supplement my adrenals/lymphatics now that they are beyond the brink to keep them working properly.
 
diane

--- On Sat, 8/15/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals
> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good
> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are
supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of
animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

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Cortef is Hydrocortizone I bellieve which is a steroid. I am dependant on them now. Meant to only take small amounts for a period of time & then had intense exposure & burnt adrenals out. Loni

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From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: [hidden email]
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 1:24 PM


 



Hi Diane
 
One thing Lisa Nagy did suggest to me was that I should speak to the otalyrngologist about a steroidal drug called Cortef - I suppose to help the adrenals - but as this is a steroid which I was a bit wary of [I read online somewhere else that Licquorice can do just as good a job without any of the dependency problems] and in any even when I saw him he was FAR too busy to even listen to anything I would have tried to say to him on that subject [LOL] so I didn't get anywhere on that front.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 21/8/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 7:56 PM

 

i took pig adrenals for awhile.  you have to be very careful of the source for this, due to swine flu and other cross-over viruses.  but it helpedme immensely.  i also, concurrently, took pig's thymus, liver, and porcine pancreatic and intestinal enzymes.  these were packed in huge capsulesfor me by a nutritionist who specialized in glandular therapy.  that said, i still (for the 20 years since) need to supplement my adrenals/lymphatics now that they are beyond the brink to keep them working properly.
 
diane

--- On Sat, 8/15/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals
> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good
> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are
supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of
animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

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Hi Sandra
 
Did the Cortef do you any good do you think? Did it have any unpleasant side effects and did you have any trouble coming off it?
 
I agree with you re getting a prescription for it from an ENT guy - prob more likely to get it from an endocrinologist - now how in my UK medical system would I get a referral to that guy??
 
BW
 
Steph

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Date: Sunday, 23 August, 2009, 11:52 PM


 



Hi Steph,
 
I was on Cortef for three years and it was prescribed to me by an integrative medicine physician. I doubt that otorhinonolaryngolo gist would venture there. Lately in Canada we have Environmental doctors that also might existover there, worth researching.
 
Sandra

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Received: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 1:24 PM

 

Hi Diane
 
One thing Lisa Nagy did suggest to me was that I should speak to the otalyrngologist about a steroidal drug called Cortef - I suppose to help the adrenals - but as this is a steroid which I was a bit wary of [I read online somewhere else that Licquorice can do just as good a job without any of the dependency problems] and in any even when I saw him he was FAR too busy to even listen to anything I would have tried to say to him on that subject [LOL] so I didn't get anywhere on that front.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 21/8/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 7:56 PM

 

i took pig adrenals for awhile.  you have to be very careful of the source for this, due to swine flu and other cross-over viruses.  but it helpedme immensely.  i also, concurrently, took pig's thymus, liver, and porcine pancreatic and intestinal enzymes.  these were packed in huge capsulesfor me by a nutritionist who specialized in glandular therapy.  that said, i still (for the 20 years since) need to supplement my adrenals/lymphatics now that they are beyond the brink to keep them working properly.
 
diane

--- On Sat, 8/15/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals
> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good
> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are
supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of
animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

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This doesn't sound good Loni - I'' be interested to hear Sandra's experience of it too - my gut instinct recently has been to try to steer as far awayas possible from drug treatment because it just doesn't seem to be a holistic way of approaching things and I'd prefer more natural treatments if I could get them - BTW I owe you a reply to a post you sent earlier last week - haven't forgotten just not well enough to do it justice at the moment theway I'd want to!
 
BW
Steph

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From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
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Date: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 4:25 PM


 



Cortef is Hydrocortizone I bellieve which is a steroid. I am dependant on them now. Meant to only take small amounts for a period of time & then had intense exposure & burnt adrenals out. Loni

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From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 1:24 PM

 

Hi Diane
 
One thing Lisa Nagy did suggest to me was that I should speak to the otalyrngologist about a steroidal drug called Cortef - I suppose to help the adrenals - but as this is a steroid which I was a bit wary of [I read online somewhere else that Licquorice can do just as good a job without any of the dependency problems] and in any even when I saw him he was FAR too busy to even listen to anything I would have tried to say to him on that subject [LOL] so I didn't get anywhere on that front.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 21/8/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 7:56 PM

 

i took pig adrenals for awhile.  you have to be very careful of the source for this, due to swine flu and other cross-over viruses.  but it helpedme immensely.  i also, concurrently, took pig's thymus, liver, and porcine pancreatic and intestinal enzymes.  these were packed in huge capsulesfor me by a nutritionist who specialized in glandular therapy.  that said, i still (for the 20 years since) need to supplement my adrenals/lymphatics now that they are beyond the brink to keep them working properly.
 
diane

--- On Sat, 8/15/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals
> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good
> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are
supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of
animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

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Hi Steph,
 
Yes I agree to stick with the natural ways to improve adrenal function. I found out the hard way. Loni

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Date: Tuesday, August 25, 2009, 6:25 AM


 



This doesn't sound good Loni - I'' be interested to hear Sandra's experience of it too - my gut instinct recently has been to try to steer as far awayas possible from drug treatment because it just doesn't seem to be a holistic way of approaching things and I'd prefer more natural treatments if I could get them - BTW I owe you a reply to a post you sent earlier last week - haven't forgotten just not well enough to do it justice at the moment theway I'd want to!
 
BW
Steph

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From: Loni <loni326@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, 24 August, 2009, 4:25 PM

 

Cortef is Hydrocortizone I bellieve which is a steroid. I am dependant on them now. Meant to only take small amounts for a period of time & then had intense exposure & burnt adrenals out. Loni

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 1:24 PM

 

Hi Diane
 
One thing Lisa Nagy did suggest to me was that I should speak to the otalyrngologist about a steroidal drug called Cortef - I suppose to help the adrenals - but as this is a steroid which I was a bit wary of [I read online somewhere else that Licquorice can do just as good a job without any of the dependency problems] and in any even when I saw him he was FAR too busy to even listen to anything I would have tried to say to him on that subject [LOL] so I didn't get anywhere on that front.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 21/8/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 7:56 PM

 

i took pig adrenals for awhile.  you have to be very careful of the source for this, due to swine flu and other cross-over viruses.  but it helpedme immensely.  i also, concurrently, took pig's thymus, liver, and porcine pancreatic and intestinal enzymes.  these were packed in huge capsulesfor me by a nutritionist who specialized in glandular therapy.  that said, i still (for the 20 years since) need to supplement my adrenals/lymphatics now that they are beyond the brink to keep them working properly.
 
diane

--- On Sat, 8/15/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals
> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good
> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are
supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of
animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

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Hi Steph,
 
If I had to rate my energy level while on Cortef and glandular I would say 4 out of 10. Since I plugged in Eathcalm my energy level is 8 out 10. I went off it a very WRONG way. Almost cold turkey, I do not recommend any of it.
 
My circumstances where as such I felt I had to give it up. No noticeable side effects,  hard on my stomach only. 
 
Sometimes I wonder if I have not been on Cortef and other adrenal support, would have I even gotten out of bed most days and have these meds saved my adrenals from burning out totally ? Perhaps, I will never know...

--- On Tue, 8/25/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail.
From: Stephanie Smith <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
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Hi Sandra
 
Did the Cortef do you any good do you think? Did it have any unpleasant side effects and did you have any trouble coming off it?
 
I agree with you re getting a prescription for it from an ENT guy - prob more likely to get it from an endocrinologist - now how in my UK medical system would I get a referral to that guy??
 
BW
 
Steph

--- On Sun, 23/8/09, S.T. <stcro@rogers. com> wrote:

From: S.T. <stcro@rogers. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 23 August, 2009, 11:52 PM

 

Hi Steph,
 
I was on Cortef for three years and it was prescribed to me by an integrative medicine physician. I doubt that otorhinonolaryngolo gist would venture there. Lately in Canada we have Environmental doctors that also might existover there, worth researching.
 
Sandra

--- On Sun, 8/23/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Received: Sunday, August 23, 2009, 1:24 PM

 

Hi Diane
 
One thing Lisa Nagy did suggest to me was that I should speak to the otalyrngologist about a steroidal drug called Cortef - I suppose to help the adrenals - but as this is a steroid which I was a bit wary of [I read online somewhere else that Licquorice can do just as good a job without any of the dependency problems] and in any even when I saw him he was FAR too busy to even listen to anything I would have tried to say to him on that subject [LOL] so I didn't get anywhere on that front.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

--- On Fri, 21/8/09, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 7:56 PM

 

i took pig adrenals for awhile.  you have to be very careful of the source for this, due to swine flu and other cross-over viruses.  but it helpedme immensely.  i also, concurrently, took pig's thymus, liver, and porcine pancreatic and intestinal enzymes.  these were packed in huge capsulesfor me by a nutritionist who specialized in glandular therapy.  that said, i still (for the 20 years since) need to supplement my adrenals/lymphatics now that they are beyond the brink to keep them working properly.
 
diane

--- On Sat, 8/15/09, Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <marc@ufoseries. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Saturday, August 15, 2009, 11:36 AM

 

> His first treatment was stabalize adrenal hormones. Well, my adrenals
> burnt out due to exposures years ago & I am on steroids probably for good
> now.

Maybe, although there are various supplements on the market that are
supposed to help rebuild the adrenal glands over time (extracts of
animal adrenal glands, or herbs like licorice and rehmannia)

Marc

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Hi Diane
 
I think it is definitely material which can't be overlooked and could be one part of the treatment plan. I agree with the overlapping dxes re ES andFM/CFS/ME etc In my case it is a case of chicken and egg - which came first? Did the EMFs cause the ME illness ?? did the continued unwitting exposure then tip me over into ES or was it ES all along, masquerading as Me in the early stages and only becoming full blown ES when I began to feel the vibrations?? My theory is that I had typical ME, because I still have the typical or classic Canadian criteria symptology for that, and that it tipped over into ES because I was being exposed but didn't know anything about it until it was too late. If I could remediate even the ES I'd be prepared to accept that. So if you come across anything else of this nature can you keep me posted??
 
Thanks
 
Steph

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From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
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Date: Friday, 21 August, 2009, 8:28 PM


 



hi Steph,
 
been reading your info on G Carlo's ES treatment with much interest!   one thing i have personally noticed is how many people with EMS have also previous dxes of chronic fatigue syndrome and/or fibromyalgia.  it makes perfect sense to me that mitochondria damage is part of the ES equation.  and all here would have to be blind not to know how i feel about the ion channel involvement!  lol  thanks so much for sharing this info and keep sending anything you might find.  i will be looking more into it as well.
 
thanks so much for sharing,
diane

--- On Sun, 8/16/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, August 16, 2009, 3:30 PM

 

THanks Paul - know exactly what you describe!! it would be interesting to know how someone else gets on with that - I came across it via a lady calledPatty Hemmingway, a homeopath who had convened the meeting and invited himto speak to the group of Essers. I am trying to devise my own DIY version of what he was talking about to do whatever I can to get better and am trying to fill in some of the blanks - like interstitial cleansing??? What he said also chimed with recent research by Sarah Myhill in Bristol who treats environmental illness espec ME/CFS and she belives that mitochondrial damage contributes to this illness - which I'd say for a lot of people mimics ESbut they don't realise it and I think she also has a treatment protocol for it.
 
Regards
 
Steph

--- On Sun, 16/8/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Sunday, 16 August, 2009, 9:07 AM

 

Paul uk -
I know someone who is using the treatment program here in the uk, I will
kep you posted. I think there is mileage in dealing with the phychological
damage that accompanies ES, ie you feel,
cheated,persecuted, tormeted, patranised, misunderstood, pessimistic, angry, and a whole lot more, certainly having
a break from your daily routine in a place that has low emf will help, but
you might find that all of the latter comes back with avengence when you
start to get burnt again trying to resume the normal daily life that you are
entitled to. and realise again how you are being cheated of you health amd
well being.
peace and love, peace and love peace and love..mmmmm its not working !

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Hi Loni
 
Sweden is one of the only countries that I know of which takes ES seriously, regards it as an illness which doctors recognise [as opposed to one whichthey try to tell you is all in your mind], for which I think social security benefits are payable, and sets aside specific areas which are wireless free and designated for the housing of ES people so they are specially adapted for their needs. They have set aside areas on their public transport where cell phones etc cannot be used so as not to cause discomfort to ES people and they make workplaces carry out appropriate adaptations so that ES people can continue to work. Basically if I could speak swedish I'd be over there in a heartbeat!
 
BW
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 18/8/09, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 3:36 PM


 



 
Tell me about Sweden.

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:15 AM

 

Yes Paul if they have to have all the WIFI and masts etc why can't they do like Sweden does and give us areas which are largely EMF free and would give us a refuge from it all without turning us into homeless people.
 
Regards
 
Steph

--- On Tue, 18/8/09, paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com> wrote:

From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 9:32 AM

 

In a message dated 17/08/2009 22:02:53 GMT Daylight Time, stcro@rogers. com
writes:

This George guy might be a little too technical for me so it would take me
some time to decipher interstitial, mitochondrial etc. I am kind of more
of a give me something to plug in to my wall kind of girl. OK, now I am
laughing at myself here :-) Have to go.

Sandra

Paul uk replies - I have met George in the UK, he strikes me as a man that
has his heart in what he says his work on cellular effects seems pretty
feasible and reflects alot of research done by others accross the globe ie
pointing to cellular damage. Sadly as we are aware low EMF, and rare still no
EMF areas are as rare as hens teeth, but we should all campaign for the
right to have such freedoms, which are rapidly being taken from us. Slowly
gently catch the monkey !

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Hi Loni
 
My symptoms are I have ME/CFS which I had first for 5 years before becomingES - now I have the ES on top. The ES causes me to feel these electrical vibrations like a sort of on going zzzz zzzz zzzz sensation or a feeling that I can feel current or some sort of frequency - that is the most distressing symptom. I get the face rash very badly- espec in shops with the dreadedfluoro lights. I get awful migraines which start at the back of my neck and go up around the side of my head to the front of my head and are so painful the pain would nearly make you pass out. I have tinnitus and hyperacuisis - I can hear sounds others can't hear - I have the waves of nause and IBSsymptoms that last for days at a time and I have pain - in lymph glands - in the back of my head. i seem to be very sensitive to WIFI and to transformers. I recently went to a park that had a huge transformer in it - I went there last summer with no problems - this summer I couldn't bear to
be in the picnic area with my back to the transformer because of the pain I was getting at the base of my skull. I am in a semi-rural area at the moment but close to a main road - I feel the traffic vibrations as pain - samewith the variable speed motors in extractor fans. There is also a transformer here about 10m from the end gable of the house - I try to stay away from that as much as possible. However the house isn't laid out well from a point of view of trying to avoid the electric meter etc so it is hard to findwhat I regard as safe places to sit and sleep etc. The neighbours here also have a lot of elec equipment - WIFI and big TVs and I think some of that is coming across too.  There are 2 sets of cell towers that I know about - one is on farmland about half a mile away and the other is about a mile from this house on the other side. The thing with the park means that I am deteriorating and am finding that there are fewer and fewer places I
can go to without symptoms. A trip into the city to the doctor brings onthe migraine.
 
So I don't know who is worse Loni me or you - i think you have the edge at the moment but it is hard to tell. Just have to keep searching for things that will help. I'm thinking of giving the earthcalm a go. What have you tried?
 
Best wishes
 
Steph
 
 
 


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From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
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Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 3:40 PM


 



Hey Steph,
 
You sound as bad as me. What are your symptoms?  What are you exposed to where you live?  LOni

--- On Tue, 8/18/09, Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com> wrote:

From: Stephanie Smith <reader41@ymail. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, August 18, 2009, 7:46 AM

 

And add to that Paul the fact that our government slags us off as being "economically inactive" without being prepared to make any changes to the environment which would allow us to work and live normally - My ES has got so bad now that I am living like a prisoner in my parents home - I can't managegrocery shopping - I can't live in my own home - I can't watch TV and can only tolerate the PC for short bursts and once a week I go the library for half an hour and I can go to the local park when it is dry - and that is literally it. This is what my life has come to - hence the desperation to compile some sort of treatment regimen which will give me back some type of functioning life.
 
We will just have to keep fighting.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

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From: paulpjc@aol. com <paulpjc@aol. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] GEORGE CARLO'S ES TREATMENT PROTOCOL
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Tuesday, 18 August, 2009, 9:44 AM

 

In a message dated 17/08/2009 17:13:31 GMT Daylight Time, stcro@rogers. com
writes:

Yes Paul, there is an emotional component to this and to me it was always
a sense of time lost on my couch when I should have been getting my
business of the ground. I called the last ten years of my life "the lost decade"
and Marlon Brando echoes in my head "I could have been a contender." The
most painful is when others call me "hypochondriac. T

Sandra

Yes Sandra same here to the letter, I spent 10 years educating myself as a
Building Surveyor got a degree got good jobs, lost the lot as I have been
out of the game for nearly a year now. The classic for me is others who
taunt me about my wife working while I am not (although looking after 2 kids
and trying to make a few quid here and there is a full time job) yesterday
evening at a party one twat talked about his bad back, saying that he would
carry on until he dropped for the sake of his family, he was looking at me
at the time - If only we could give these people a taste of being ES for a
few days. Oh and the final insult I have on a few occassions played back
via a small set of speakers through my open window the sound picked up on an
AM radio from a plasma TV that swamps the area when its on, the sound is
like a fax on the AM radio, well 2 of the locals asked me what that awful
sound was they could barely stand it, I said imagine you were exposed to that
but only you can hear the sound, they still did not get it ! selfish
ba...rds !

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