Flying American Airlines

Hi,

Air travel has become more and more difficult for me in recent years and I am going to have to make a trip from Hawaii to the UK (aaaagh).

Last trip I was really bothered by those personal screens in the seats - even if yours is off you've still got one in the back of your seat.  I am hoping a hoodie from LessEmf will help with the electric fields as well as RF.

Has anyone measured the electromagnetic field coming from the back of
these devices? (I'm wondering about getting a seat with the bathroom behind me (not a great spot in terms of noise so only worth it if it really makes a difference).

Thanks for any advice you can give me re seat choice and flying in general. I think I will be flying American because their prices are so much cheaper than the others right now.

Thanks,
Aline

> I'm wondering about getting a seat with the bathroom behind me
> (not a great spot in terms of noise so only worth it if it really makes a difference).

The last time I flew, I reserved my seats in the back of the plane (so there was
nobody sitting behind me), but when I got to the airport they reassigned my
seats because "nobody would want to sit back there"... :-)

Also, there is more space between you and the seat in front of you in the
exit rows.

But yeah, LCD screens embedded in the seats sound nasty... fortunately
I've never been in a plane that has these...

Marc

I always try to get exit row seats but last time I flew American they were only available to Economy Plus passengers ($500 more expensive!).

I never, ever sleep on planes. The first time I flew between UK and Hawaii I took a sleeping pill but still ended up awake for 48 hours (could sleep the day after either). Now realize the radiation probably disrupted my melatonin production.

This world is becoming more and more difficult to live in......

Aline

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Richard Conrad recommends a particular brand of inositol for sleep and emf
resistance.  I've found it helps w/ sleep.  Have not tried on a plane.

I flew southwest recently.  They had wi-fi, but I did OK.
My strategy now is to get on when there are only about 10
seats left, so you can choose a seat without computer users next to you.

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Hi Aline,

If you have not purchased a silverall hoodie from Less EMF, I personally would not recommend one.  They are very expensive and the fabric is very flim flam for an item of clothing.  Also, if you are trying to block Electro of the EMF, I believe the fabric has to be grounded??? 

I suggest purchasing some fabric, preferrably reflective, such as ArgenMesh -- enough to put over the back of the seat and enough to put over your body like a blanket to hide under.  Whether any of these fabrics, if not grounded, will block the EMF coming from the screens, I do not know. 

But I made wide use of ArgenMesh during my trip to Los Angeles, the very pit of cell tower radiation. It is like the lining in your coat: very light weight so that you can fold it easily and put it in your suitcase and it hardly takes up any room and weights very little.  But remember these fabrics should not make contact with your skin.   Maybe put a sheet betweeen it.

So now, you can block your whole body, head to toe, from whatever RH is flying around inside the plane and you can also use it when you get to the hotel to put over your blankets on your bed, to drape on the wall to block whatever RH might be coming thru the window, etc.  In my opinion, a much better investment for a trip.  You can also line a cape with it. 

Of course, the silverall hoodie has its applications as well.

I make no guarantee that your travelling partner will not call you a crazy nut though.

ALSO.......remember that the safest part of the plane is the front and over the wings.  The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash data statistics.  And if you have MCS (Multiple Chemical Sensitivity) like I do, the back of the plane is the worst for smells.  You get hit with fumes from the toilet and also the jet fuel fumes.  So things to consider. 

Happy Flying

C. Johnson
Superdrove



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Subject: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
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Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 7:16 PM








 



 


   
     
     
      Hi,


Air travel has become more and more difficult for me in recent years and I am going to have to make a trip from Hawaii to the UK (aaaagh).


Last trip I was really bothered by those personal screens in the seats - even if yours is off you've still got one in the back of your seat.  I am hoping a hoodie from LessEmf will help with the electric fields as well as RF.


Has anyone measured the electromagnetic field coming from the back of

these devices? (I'm wondering about getting a seat with the bathroom behind me (not a great spot in terms of noise so only worth it if it really makes a difference).


Thanks for any advice you can give me re seat choice and flying in general. I think I will be flying American because their prices are so much cheaper than the others right now.


Thanks,

Aline










   
     











 





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> The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash data statistics. 

Really?  I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the back of the plane.
But of course, this is off-topic... :-)

I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there will be someone
behind me with nasty electronics.  Depending on the airplane seating configuration, there
 may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics that people
bring with them.

Marc

Yes that would be awful, not tolerable at all. Loni

--- On Mon, 10/3/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


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Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 12:25 PM


 



> I'm wondering about getting a seat with the bathroom behind me
> (not a great spot in terms of noise so only worth it if it really makes a difference).

The last time I flew, I reserved my seats in the back of the plane (so there was
nobody sitting behind me), but when I got to the airport they reassigned my
seats because "nobody would want to sit back there"... :-)

Also, there is more space between you and the seat in front of you in the
exit rows.

But yeah, LCD screens embedded in the seats sound nasty... fortunately
I've never been in a plane that has these...

Marc







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Yes I didn't get much out of the silver camosol I purchased from lessemf. But I was thinking if you double up on them maybe they work better. But yes expensive trial. Loni

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Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 1:22 PM


 



Hi Aline,

If you have not purchased a silverall hoodie from Less EMF, I personally would not recommend one.  They are very expensive and the fabric is very flim flam for an item of clothing.  Also, if you are trying to block Electro of the EMF, I believe the fabric has to be grounded??? 

I suggest purchasing some fabric, preferrably reflective, such as ArgenMesh -- enough to put over the back of the seat and enough to put over your body like a blanket to hide under.  Whether any of these fabrics, if not grounded, will block the EMF coming from the screens, I do not know. 

But I made wide use of ArgenMesh during my trip to Los Angeles, the very pit of cell tower radiation. It is like the lining in your coat: very light weight so that you can fold it easily and put it in your suitcase and it hardly takes up any room and weights very little.  But remember these fabrics should not make contact with your skin.   Maybe put a sheet betweeen it.

So now, you can block your whole body, head to toe, from whatever RH is flying around inside the plane and you can also use it when you get to the hotel to put over your blankets on your bed, to drape on the wall to block whatever RH might be coming thru the window, etc.  In my opinion, a much better investment for a trip.  You can also line a cape with it. 

Of course, the silverall hoodie has its applications as well.

I make no guarantee that your travelling partner will not call you a crazy nut though.

ALSO.......remember that the safest part of the plane is the front and over the wings.  The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash data statistics.  And if you have MCS (Multiple Chemical Sensitivity) like I do, the back of the plane is the worst for smells.  You get hit with fumes from the toilet and also the jet fuel fumes.  So things to consider. 

Happy Flying

C. Johnson
Superdrove

--- On Mon, 10/3/11, alinepapille <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: alinepapille <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 7:16 PM

 

Hi,

Air travel has become more and more difficult for me in recent years and I am going to have to make a trip from Hawaii to the UK (aaaagh).

Last trip I was really bothered by those personal screens in the seats - even if yours is off you've still got one in the back of your seat. I am hoping a hoodie from LessEmf will help with the electric fields as well as RF.

Has anyone measured the electromagnetic field coming from the back of

these devices? (I'm wondering about getting a seat with the bathroom behind me (not a great spot in terms of noise so only worth it if it really makes a difference).

Thanks for any advice you can give me re seat choice and flying in general. I think I will be flying American because their prices are so much cheaper than the others right now.

Thanks,

Aline

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I always heard back was the safest as well Marc! Loni

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Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 1:29 PM


 



> The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash data statistics. 

Really? I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the back of the plane.
But of course, this is off-topic... :-)

I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there will be someone
behind me with nasty electronics. Depending on the airplane seating configuration, there
may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics that people
bring with them.

Marc







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Hello Loni,

this is a forum, not a chat box or Twitter.

Can't you hold back your many postings and post them sometime later together?

Now every 5 minutes a sentence or remark comes by.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
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  I always heard back was the safest as well Marc! Loni

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  > The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash data statistics.

  Really? I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the back of the plane.
  But of course, this is off-topic... :-)

  I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there will be someone
  behind me with nasty electronics. Depending on the airplane seating configuration, there
  may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics that people
  bring with them.

  Marc







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Well, she's merely replying to different topics -- it does take more effort for someone
to reply to multiple e-mails in a single e-mail.  And then the "thread" of discussion is
lost for those later following it via Yahoo's web interface.

But yes, consolidating things into a single e-mail can be preferable to a series of
one-liner messages.

Also, taking the time to edit the message you are replying to (as I have done
below)  is *supposed* to be done on email discussion groups, but very few people
seem to do this anymore.

Marc

On Monday, October 03, 2011 11:47 PM, "charles" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hello Loni,
> this is a forum, not a chat box or Twitter.

Yes I'm not talking like twitter and chat box which I find offensive Charles. But you have been quite rude in the past with others as well.
 
I only comment on what others are talking about. Not just jibberish.
 
Thanks Marc. I do go in spurts. Sometimes I can't tolerate the computer at all and then I will read some posts and find I would like to participate. It may look like a lot of posts but others I have noticed do the same.
 
My posts are usually very short because I can't tolerate the computer for long as well.
 
Just sayin!  Loni

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Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 3:14 PM


 



Well, she's merely replying to different topics -- it does take more effort for someone
to reply to multiple e-mails in a single e-mail. And then the "thread" of discussion is
lost for those later following it via Yahoo's web interface.

But yes, consolidating things into a single e-mail can be preferable to a series of
one-liner messages.

Also, taking the time to edit the message you are replying to (as I have done
below) is *supposed* to be done on email discussion groups, but very few people
seem to do this anymore.

Marc

On Monday, October 03, 2011 11:47 PM, "charles" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hello Loni,
> this is a forum, not a chat box or Twitter.







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> Thanks Marc. I do go in spurts. Sometimes I can't tolerate the computer at all and then I will
> read some posts and find I would like to participate. It may look like a lot of posts but others I
> have noticed do the same.

Yes, I image that some people are away from their computers for long stretches, then try to go through their emails as quickly as possible, because they are getting fried in the process.  As a result, I'm more tolerant about people not following "the rules", because following the rules requires more time in front of the computer.

Marc

Marc?
You are a Angel!
Lizzie
 



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> Thanks Marc. I do go in spurts. Sometimes I can't tolerate the computer at all and then I will
> read some posts and find I would like to participate. It may look like a lot of posts but others I
> have noticed do the same.

Yes, I image that some people are away from their computers for long stretches, then try to go through their emails as quickly as possible, because they are getting fried in the process. As a result, I'm more tolerant about people not following "the rules", because following the rules requires more time in front of the computer.

Marc



     

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> Marc?
> You are a Angel!
> Lizzie

Well, no... but I *do* recall the days when I tried to limit myself to 5-10 minutes
in front of the computer each day.  Charles probably never had to deal with that...

Marc

My daughter has a piece of the radar fabric, over her computer screen (not sure if that's what its called, its screen like)- it does help much.
I have no idea how she can see & work thru this stuff, but then again- she is a teen and has excellent vision.
Lizzie
 



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> Marc?
> You are a Angel!
> Lizzie

Well, no... but I *do* recall the days when I tried to limit myself to 5-10 minutes
in front of the computer each day. Charles probably never had to deal with that...

Marc



     

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Thanks for accommodating us with EHS. We sure need that lol! Loni

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> Thanks Marc. I do go in spurts. Sometimes I can't tolerate the computer at all and then I will
> read some posts and find I would like to participate. It may look like a lot of posts but others I
> have noticed do the same.

Yes, I image that some people are away from their computers for long stretches, then try to go through their emails as quickly as possible, because they are getting fried in the process. As a result, I'm more tolerant about people not following "the rules", because following the rules requires more time in front of the computer.

Marc







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It's assigned seating with international travel. And I'm talking around 20 hours flying time........

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Thanks C (?), that is some very helpful info. I like the idea of covering the back of my seat with it! I'm traveling alone (an urgent family visit - I wouldn't put myself through this for pleasure). I'm beyond caring what anyone thinks!

It's quite likely the plane will not be full as it's low season so I may even get to lie down.

I know it won't block electro-magetic fields but are you saying it won't block electric fields unless it is grounded? And how do electric fields differ on a plane vs from the grid?

Thanks again,
Aline

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