Flying American Airlines

Gosh, I was under the impression that esens was a support group.
Yes, we do have to read and wade thru various writings to mine the gold
that speaks to specific issues. And yes, some solutions can be pricey.
But the true blame is on corporate corruption; that we should have to
spend precious time/energy UN DOING the damage caused by profiteering
monsters. And for way too many, smart meters and their mega biological assaults
were NOT an issue a few years ago.
Lizzie
 





--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Loni,
>
> this is a forum, not a chat box or Twitter.
>
> Can't you hold back your many postings and post them sometime later together?
>
> Now every 5 minutes a sentence or remark comes by.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Loni
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
>
>
> I always heard back was the safest as well Marc! Loni
>
> --- On Mon, 10/3/11, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 1:29 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash data statistics.
>
> Really? I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the back of the plane.
> But of course, this is off-topic... :-)
>
> I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there will be someone
> behind me with nasty electronics. Depending on the airplane seating configuration, there
> may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics that people
> bring with them.
>
> Marc

> Gosh, I was under the impression that esens was a support group.
> Yes, we do have to read and wade thru various writings to mine the gold
> that speaks to specific issues.

Yes, eSens is a support group.  If someone is looking for a more concise/
organized/structured document, then they should be looking for a website
or a book.  

I agree that some of the postings here could be improved:

- one-liner responses replaced with something more substantial
  or consolidated into single messages

- not replying to everything if there is nothing really new to add

- better trimming of original messages when hitting "reply"

Marc

Well said Lizzie!  And this nerve damaging 4G LTE the cell industry is porliferating every where.
I can't seem to avoid this toxic frequency and am paying the price. We all will. Loni

--- On Tue, 10/4/11, Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Flying American Airlines
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 8:05 AM


 




Gosh, I was under the impression that esens was a support group.
Yes, we do have to read and wade thru various writings to mine the gold
that speaks to specific issues. And yes, some solutions can be pricey.
But the true blame is on corporate corruption; that we should have to
spend precious time/energy UN DOING the damage caused by profiteering
monsters. And for way too many, smart meters and their mega biological assaults
were NOT an issue a few years ago.
Lizzie


To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:10:37 +0000
Subject: [eSens] Re: Flying American Airlines

I quite agree with you Charles and see how posts that could help people are literally buried under 'chit chat'. It never used to be a few years ago.

People come here often disabled and suffering from the effects of the technology that is killing them and because of it of course many are unable to work and don't have money for expensive things that may not work.

It's a good point you made.

Maureen
UK

--- In [hidden email], "charles" <charles@...> wrote:


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Totally nasty. They just activated 4G LTE in Flint, MI, where my health food store is. Oh yes
I could feel that stuff. My leg started to spasm the minute I entered that area.
For me, the shielding did help me (my legs aren't covered by the fabric)...and I had to discharge rinsing head and feet in water
3-4 times when I got back. My heart goes out to everyone who has that where they live.
Lizzie

 



To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
From: loni326@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:27:57 -0700
Subject: [eSens] Posts & Toxic Exposures


 



Well said Lizzie!  And this nerve damaging 4G LTE the cell industry is porliferating every where.
I can't seem to avoid this toxic frequency and am paying the price. We all will. Loni

--- On Tue, 10/4/11, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Flying American Airlines
To: esens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 8:05 AM

 

Gosh, I was under the impression that esens was a support group.
Yes, we do have to read and wade thru various writings to mine the gold
that speaks to specific issues. And yes, some solutions can be pricey.
But the true blame is on corporate corruption; that we should have to
spend precious time/energy UN DOING the damage caused by profiteering
monsters. And for way too many, smart meters and their mega biological assaults
were NOT an issue a few years ago.
Lizzie


--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Loni,
>
> this is a forum, not a chat box or Twitter.
>
> Can't you hold back your many postings and post them sometime later together?
>
> Now every 5 minutes a sentence or remark comes by.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Loni
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
>
>
> I always heard back was the safest as well Marc! Loni
>
> --- On Mon, 10/3/11, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 1:29 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash data statistics.
>
> Really? I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the back of the plane.
> But of course, this is off-topic... :-)
>
> I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there will be someone
> behind me with nasty electronics. Depending on the airplane seating configuration, there
> may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics that people
> bring with them.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Loni, now that I think about it, you might do better, if it turns out the fabric works for you,
to wear like a long poncho/ or like a shirt dress over your body...maybe even with a built in hood. No they don't
make one..but remembering how my leg started to spasm that day..this would give some cover to at least
some of the leg area.
its worth thinking
about. Can't be that hard to make. I'm game.
You can email me direct at: lizt777@hotmail.com
to keep the chitter down.
Lizzie
 



To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
From: loni326@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:27:57 -0700
Subject: [eSens] Posts & Toxic Exposures


 



Well said Lizzie!  And this nerve damaging 4G LTE the cell industry is porliferating every where.
I can't seem to avoid this toxic frequency and am paying the price. We all will. Loni

--- On Tue, 10/4/11, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Flying American Airlines
To: esens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 8:05 AM

 

Gosh, I was under the impression that esens was a support group.
Yes, we do have to read and wade thru various writings to mine the gold
that speaks to specific issues. And yes, some solutions can be pricey.
But the true blame is on corporate corruption; that we should have to
spend precious time/energy UN DOING the damage caused by profiteering
monsters. And for way too many, smart meters and their mega biological assaults
were NOT an issue a few years ago.
Lizzie


--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Loni,
>
> this is a forum, not a chat box or Twitter.
>
> Can't you hold back your many postings and post them sometime later together?
>
> Now every 5 minutes a sentence or remark comes by.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Loni
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
>
>
> I always heard back was the safest as well Marc! Loni
>
> --- On Mon, 10/3/11, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 1:29 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash data statistics.
>
> Really? I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the back of the plane.
> But of course, this is off-topic... :-)
>
> I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there will be someone
> behind me with nasty electronics. Depending on the airplane seating configuration, there
> may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics that people
> bring with them.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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We have used T-Shirts ans normal Shirts and caps in the past.

Be aware NOT to wear them on the skin, but always over some underclothing.
Washing may break the silver wires.
And after some time, the material gets satidfied with the negative energy and starts emitting it.

Therefore, we used selfmade inlays in the caps, and exchanged them regularly.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Elizabeth thode
  To: esens@yahoogroups.com
  Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:34 PM
  Subject: RE: [eSens] Posts & Toxic Exposures



  Loni, now that I think about it, you might do better, if it turns out the fabric works for you,
  to wear like a long poncho/ or like a shirt dress over your body...maybe even with a built in hood. No they don't
  make one..but remembering how my leg started to spasm that day..this would give some cover to at least
  some of the leg area.
  its worth thinking
  about. Can't be that hard to make. I'm game.
  You can email me direct at: lizt777@hotmail.com
  to keep the chitter down.
  Lizzie
   



  To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
  From: loni326@yahoo.com
  Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:27:57 -0700
  Subject: [eSens] Posts & Toxic Exposures


   



  Well said Lizzie!  And this nerve damaging 4G LTE the cell industry is porliferating every where.
  I can't seem to avoid this toxic frequency and am paying the price. We all will. Loni

  --- On Tue, 10/4/11, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com> wrote:

  From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com>
  Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Flying American Airlines
  To: esens@yahoogroups.com
  Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 8:05 AM

   

  Gosh, I was under the impression that esens was a support group.
  Yes, we do have to read and wade thru various writings to mine the gold
  that speaks to specific issues. And yes, some solutions can be pricey.
  But the true blame is on corporate corruption; that we should have to
  spend precious time/energy UN DOING the damage caused by profiteering
  monsters. And for way too many, smart meters and their mega biological assaults
  were NOT an issue a few years ago.
  Lizzie



  --- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
  >
  > Hello Loni,
  >
  > this is a forum, not a chat box or Twitter.
  >
  > Can't you hold back your many postings and post them sometime later together?
  >
  > Now every 5 minutes a sentence or remark comes by.
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > member Verband Baubiologie
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.hetbitje.nl
  > checked by Norton
  >
  > ----- Original Message -----
  > From: Loni
  > To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
  > Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:40 PM
  > Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
  >
  >
  > I always heard back was the safest as well Marc! Loni
  >
  > --- On Mon, 10/3/11, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
  >
  >
  > From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
  > Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
  > To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
  > Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 1:29 PM
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > > The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash data statistics.
  >
  > Really? I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the back of the plane.
  > But of course, this is off-topic... :-)
  >
  > I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there will be someone
  > behind me with nasty electronics. Depending on the airplane seating configuration, there
  > may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics that people
  > bring with them.
  >
  > Marc
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >
  >
  >
  > ------------------------------------
  >
  > Yahoo! Groups Links
  >
  >
  >
  >
  >
  > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
  >

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Charles, that is interesting....we do wear the high performance silver mess
on our skin. It has never bothered us or presented a problem.
Maybe its because we DO discharge the excess static-  rinsing our heads/using the water process I use.
We don't wash ours, we hang  and AIR them out.
But there are many diff't types of this fabric. I listed the one we use...
did you use something else? and could also be a matter of dffferent
environments/emfs and different physiologies/
Lizzie
 



To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
From: charles@milieuziektes.be
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 20:59:38 +0200
Subject: Re: [eSens] Posts & Toxic Exposures


 



We have used T-Shirts ans normal Shirts and caps in the past.

Be aware NOT to wear them on the skin, but always over some underclothing.
Washing may break the silver wires.
And after some time, the material gets satidfied with the negative energy and starts emitting it.

Therefore, we used selfmade inlays in the caps, and exchanged them regularly.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth thode
To: esens@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, October 04, 2011 7:34 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Posts & Toxic Exposures

Loni, now that I think about it, you might do better, if it turns out the fabric works for you,
to wear like a long poncho/ or like a shirt dress over your body...maybe even with a built in hood. No they don't
make one..but remembering how my leg started to spasm that day..this would give some cover to at least
some of the leg area.
its worth thinking
about. Can't be that hard to make. I'm game.
You can email me direct at: lizt777@hotmail.com
to keep the chitter down.
Lizzie


To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
From: loni326@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:27:57 -0700
Subject: [eSens] Posts & Toxic Exposures

Well said Lizzie! And this nerve damaging 4G LTE the cell industry is porliferating every where.
I can't seem to avoid this toxic frequency and am paying the price. We all will. Loni

--- On Tue, 10/4/11, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Flying American Airlines
To: esens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 8:05 AM

Gosh, I was under the impression that esens was a support group.
Yes, we do have to read and wade thru various writings to mine the gold
that speaks to specific issues. And yes, some solutions can be pricey.
But the true blame is on corporate corruption; that we should have to
spend precious time/energy UN DOING the damage caused by profiteering
monsters. And for way too many, smart meters and their mega biological assaults
were NOT an issue a few years ago.
Lizzie

--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Loni,
>
> this is a forum, not a chat box or Twitter.
>
> Can't you hold back your many postings and post them sometime later together?
>
> Now every 5 minutes a sentence or remark comes by.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Loni
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
>
>
> I always heard back was the safest as well Marc! Loni
>
> --- On Mon, 10/3/11, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 1:29 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash data statistics.
>
> Really? I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the back of the plane.
> But of course, this is off-topic... :-)
>
> I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there will be someone
> behind me with nasty electronics. Depending on the airplane seating configuration, there
> may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics that people
> bring with them.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Do you wear this shirt & boxers underneath your clothes or over them?  I'm not sure about a poncho style. But something to think about.
 
Yes we need to keep the chitter down so we don't bother Charles! ha Loni

--- On Tue, 10/4/11, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com> wrote:


From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Posts & Toxic Exposures
To: esens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 10:34 AM



 




Loni, now that I think about it, you might do better, if it turns out the fabric works for you,
to wear like a long poncho/ or like a shirt dress over your body...maybe even with a built in hood. No they don't
make one..but remembering how my leg started to spasm that day..this would give some cover to at least
some of the leg area.
its worth thinking
about. Can't be that hard to make. I'm game.
You can email me direct at: lizt777@hotmail.com
to keep the chitter down.
Lizzie


To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
From: loni326@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:27:57 -0700
Subject: [eSens] Posts & Toxic Exposures

Well said Lizzie! And this nerve damaging 4G LTE the cell industry is porliferating every where.
I can't seem to avoid this toxic frequency and am paying the price. We all will. Loni

--- On Tue, 10/4/11, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Flying American Airlines
To: esens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 8:05 AM

Gosh, I was under the impression that esens was a support group.
Yes, we do have to read and wade thru various writings to mine the gold
that speaks to specific issues. And yes, some solutions can be pricey.
But the true blame is on corporate corruption; that we should have to
spend precious time/energy UN DOING the damage caused by profiteering
monsters. And for way too many, smart meters and their mega biological assaults
were NOT an issue a few years ago.
Lizzie


--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
>
> Hello Loni,
>
> this is a forum, not a chat box or Twitter.
>
> Can't you hold back your many postings and post them sometime later together?
>
> Now every 5 minutes a sentence or remark comes by.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Loni
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
>
>
> I always heard back was the safest as well Marc! Loni
>
> --- On Mon, 10/3/11, Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:
>
>
> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 1:29 PM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash data statistics.
>
> Really? I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the back of the plane.
> But of course, this is off-topic... :-)
>
> I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there will be someone
> behind me with nasty electronics. Depending on the airplane seating configuration, there
> may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics that people
> bring with them.
>
> Marc
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>
>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Yahoo! Groups Links
>
>
>
>
>
> [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
>

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Hi, Marc and All,



 <Also, taking the time to edit the message you are replying to (as I have done below)  is *supposed* to be done on email discussion groups, but very few people seem to do this anymore.Marc>

I used to not be able to edit the replies (my computer was unable to edit it), but since the "New Yahoo" I can, tho I seem not to be able to do many other things!  lol

Also something people used to do is change the subject window to reflect a new topic!  lol  I see none of us do this anymore!

And I found it quite funny that you called mentioning safety in the back of the plane off-topic, Marc.  I guess I don't understand the concept of off-topic.  I think any topic which is mentioned due to having ES is on-topic.  Therefore sitting in the back of the plane and its safety issues (of all sorts) seems on-topic to me!  lol

My 2 cents,
Diane

 

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Under our clothes..on top of underwear...underneath jeans and shirt.
Yea, poncho would be too in the way...maybe a loose, comfortablly fitted two piece shirt dress?
would give more easy movement, more coverage to body.
Loni, if you go the NExt UP website, they show ES people wearing just the fabric,
basically sheet style, draped over their clothes. The point is, there are options-
First, make sure the fabric works for you...then decide which style would work
best for you. What's the saying: "Desperation is the Mother of Creativity or Ingenuity?"
Lizzie

 



To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
From: loni326@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 22:55:38 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Posts & Toxic Exposures


 



Do you wear this shirt & boxers underneath your clothes or over them?  I'm not sure about a poncho style. But something to think about.
 
Yes we need to keep the chitter down so we don't bother Charles! ha Loni

--- On Tue, 10/4/11, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Posts & Toxic Exposures
To: esens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 10:34 AM

 

Loni, now that I think about it, you might do better, if it turns out the fabric works for you,
to wear like a long poncho/ or like a shirt dress over your body...maybe even with a built in hood. No they don't
make one..but remembering how my leg started to spasm that day..this would give some cover to at least
some of the leg area.
its worth thinking
about. Can't be that hard to make. I'm game.
You can email me direct at: lizt777@hotmail.com
to keep the chitter down.
Lizzie

To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
From: loni326@yahoo.com
Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 09:27:57 -0700
Subject: [eSens] Posts & Toxic Exposures

Well said Lizzie! And this nerve damaging 4G LTE the cell industry is porliferating every where.
I can't seem to avoid this toxic frequency and am paying the price. We all will. Loni

--- On Tue, 10/4/11, Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com> wrote:

From: Elizabeth thode <lizt777@hotmail.com>
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: Flying American Airlines
To: esens@yahoogroups.com
Date: Tuesday, October 4, 2011, 8:05 AM

Gosh, I was under the impression that esens was a support group.
Yes, we do have to read and wade thru various writings to mine the gold
that speaks to specific issues. And yes, some solutions can be pricey.
But the true blame is on corporate corruption; that we should have to
spend precious time/energy UN DOING the damage caused by profiteering
monsters. And for way too many, smart meters and their mega biological assaults
were NOT an issue a few years ago.
Lizzie


--- In eSens@yahoogroups.com, "charles" <charles@...> wrote:
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> Hello Loni,
>
> this is a forum, not a chat box or Twitter.
>
> Can't you hold back your many postings and post them sometime later together?
>
> Now every 5 minutes a sentence or remark comes by.
>
> Greetings,
> Charles Claessens
> member Verband Baubiologie
> www.milieuziektes.nl
> www.milieuziektes.be
> www.hetbitje.nl
> checked by Norton
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Loni
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Monday, October 03, 2011 11:40 PM
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
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> I always heard back was the safest as well Marc! Loni
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> From: Marc Martin <marc@...>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
> To: eSens@yahoogroups.com
> Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 1:29 PM
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> > The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash data statistics.
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> Really? I thought that most of the survivors of plane crashes were in the back of the plane.
> But of course, this is off-topic... :-)
>
> I only choose the back of the plane because there is no chance that there will be someone
> behind me with nasty electronics. Depending on the airplane seating configuration, there
> may be other good places to sit that keeps you away from the electronics that people
> bring with them.
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> And I found it quite funny that you called mentioning safety in the back of the plane off-topic, Marc. 
> I guess I don't understand the concept of off-topic.  I think any topic which is mentioned due to
> having ES is on-topic.  Therefore sitting in the back of the plane and its safety issues (of all sorts)
> seems on-topic to me!  lol

Okay, sitting in the back of the plane:

-- possibly good for ES, since nobody will be sitting in back of you with a
   laptop, iPhone, Kindle, etc.

-- possibly bad for ES if you react to an airplane engine which might be
   right outside your window (note that I've never had a reaction to an
   airplane engine)

-- possibly bad for your hearing or comfort if an airplane engine is
   right outside your window.

-- possibly good if your plane crashes, since the people in the front
   are more likely to be killed

-- possibly bad in terms of air quality, since "the good air" is supposed
   to be in front (although personally I've never noticed this -- I'd be
   more concerned if I was sitting next to someone wearing some
   obnoxious perfume/cologne)

But with airplanes, my main ES concerns are with what electronics
people are using within a few feet of me.

Marc

I hear good things about the Argen Mesh fabric at 60% attenuation.  So far, I've only tried the Soft N Safe fabric (50% attenuation).  It is rose colored and very feminine, flowing... It was the first thing to work for me, made me somewhat sane in public again.  I must fold it one time for it to work.  If I fold it more than once, it seems to be too much and singled it still lets in more radio waves than I can stand.  I have yet to try the others as Loni said they are very expensive.  I tried to have it made into a jumper but it seemed like too much.  Plus, I'll have to have my seamstress add some high performance silver mesh over the seams.  There's still way too much leakage. I read where Bill Bruno talks about seam leakage.  Wow...unreal.  Does anyone enjoy this yet?
 
I found the cloak to be most helpful.  I intend to expound upon that design and see if it can be improved upon.  The bad thing is that the fabric, as pretty as it appears from a distance, doesn't hold up well.  It's antimicrobial but stains easily, is difficult to handwash and they say you can't wash it often or it will lose its effectiveness. So... but I do intend to keep trying until I find the right combination.  Lessemf fabrics are still much less expensive than Swiss Shield fabrics which don't even have as much attenuation.  Good Luck.  I'm suppose to fly for the first time since 1999 and prior to coming down with EHS.  From listening to you all, I'm not looking forward to it.  But my trip should only be about 2 hours to Florida if that long.  Peace.
 
Pam

--- On Mon, 10/3/11, Loni <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Loni <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 5:36 PM



 



Yes I didn't get much out of the silver camosol I purchased from lessemf. But I was thinking if you double up on them maybe they work better. But yes expensive trial. Loni

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From: C.a.b. Johnson <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 1:22 PM

 

Hi Aline,

If you have not purchased a silverall hoodie from Less EMF, I personally would not recommend one.  They are very expensive and the fabric is very flim flam for an item of clothing.  Also, if you are trying to block Electro of the EMF, I believe the fabric has to be grounded??? 

I suggest purchasing some fabric, preferrably reflective, such as ArgenMesh -- enough to put over the back of the seat and enough to put over your body like a blanket to hide under.  Whether any of these fabrics, if not grounded, will block the EMF coming from the screens, I do not know. 

But I made wide use of ArgenMesh during my trip to Los Angeles, the very pit of cell tower radiation. It is like the lining in your coat: very light weight so that you can fold it easily and put it in your suitcase and it hardly takes up any room and weights very little.  But remember these fabrics should not make contact with your skin.   Maybe put a sheet betweeen it.

So now, you can block your whole body, head to toe, from whatever RH is flying around inside the plane and you can also use it when you get to the hotel to put over your blankets on your bed, to drape on the wall to block whatever RH might be coming thru the window, etc.  In my opinion, a much better investment for a trip.  You can also line a cape with it. 

Of course, the silverall hoodie has its applications as well.

I make no guarantee that your travelling partner will not call you a crazy nut though.

ALSO.......remember that the safest part of the plane is the front and over the wings.  The back of the plane is the least safe part of the plane according to crash data statistics.  And if you have MCS (Multiple Chemical Sensitivity) like I do, the back of the plane is the worst for smells.  You get hit with fumes from the toilet and also the jet fuel fumes.  So things to consider. 

Happy Flying

C. Johnson
Superdrove

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From: alinepapille <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Flying American Airlines
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, October 3, 2011, 7:16 PM

 

Hi,

Air travel has become more and more difficult for me in recent years and I am going to have to make a trip from Hawaii to the UK (aaaagh).

Last trip I was really bothered by those personal screens in the seats - even if yours is off you've still got one in the back of your seat. I am hoping a hoodie from LessEmf will help with the electric fields as well as RF.

Has anyone measured the electromagnetic field coming from the back of

these devices? (I'm wondering about getting a seat with the bathroom behind me (not a great spot in terms of noise so only worth it if it really makes a difference).

Thanks for any advice you can give me re seat choice and flying in general. I think I will be flying American because their prices are so much cheaper than the others right now.

Thanks,

Aline

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>I hear good things about the Argen Mesh fabric at 60% attenuation. So far,
>I've only tried the Soft N Safe fabric (50% attenuation).

ArgenMesh: 60 dB (not 60%).   60 dB = 99.9% field reduction
Soft&Safe:   50 dB (not 50%).   50 dB = 99.7% field reduction

Emil

> Richard Conrad recommends a particular brand of inositol for sleep and emf
> resistance.  I've found it helps w/ sleep.  

Is the particular brand of inositol "Country Life"?  Haven't tried that.

But agree, there are some supplements that seem like they should
be pretty generic, but in reality my reaction to one brand is much
different to my reaction to another brand.

Marc