Faraday cage

Dear all,
Have I mentioned some months ago I was very happy with my LaVita gypsum protection boards, and that they don't make a weird feeling known from metal Faraday cages?! Well, I was wrong!!!

Indeed, here underground where I have just partial shielding (at the ceiling) LaVita really behaved much better than aluminum plates (I had had to remove them some years ago)...
But encouraged by that success of some months ago, meanwhile I made a complete room at another place... It is difficult to explain the night(mare) spent in there! I spent another night with the same result - it could be compared only to some psychoactive drug intake... Would I prefer to sleep near amobile phone mast or there in the cage - a very difficult choice!

So I searched the net and consulted some people including Andrew from this Group - to find out the amazing uniformity in findings... Dr. Gruen who participated at this Group also has similar observations, the following is an excerpt from the site that sells his Bioprotect(www.golden-ray.com):

..."If one takes a water sample and puts it into a Faraday cage – for example, a small bottle filled with water and completely wrapped in with some aluminum foil – and exposes it to the radiation of a mobile phone or someor other source of electromagnetic smog, then this water will significantly change its bioenergetical quality. In fact, it will change its quality much more than without the Faraday cage"...
 
All that has both practical and theoretical implications. Regarding practical, Marc and many of you would agree that the solution is not in measuring and mitigating fields, but in "less conventional" means...
But theory concerns me as well... So I assembled this call below and I am starting by forwarding it to this Group. I would appreciate any responses!
Best regards,

Drasko

-------------------------------
There is a rather widely accepted opinion that Electrosensitive people don't tolerate conductive plate shieldings, of a Faraday cage type. Moreover, consent regarding that is more present than regarding toleration against different radiation sources.

Such a statement is apparently an absurd as Electrosensitivity should have been sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, and the fields are at least partially mitigated by Faraday cages. (Practically, cage nullifies electric, radio and microwave radiation, while magnetic aspect isn't screened but at most cases magnetic readings keep within limits that are considered "usual".)

Currently we are attempting to collect a work group of researchers and Electrosensitive persons interested in clarification of the issue, whatever theoutcome they are advocating might have been.

We would appreciate your participation. Please contact Drasko Cvijovic at [hidden email] would you be interested in preliminary consultations.

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Thats very interesting,I painted my room with y-shield paint a year ago andI feel worse than before, I did this after buying a shirt that had ~7% silver and and feeling alot better and my thyroid symptoms improving so I had decided to paint my entire room with y-shield paint. Ive been thinking of replacing my walls with mgo board now instead, my reasoning being that maybe absorption of the fields is a better approach than reflection. Im sendingyou an email

-Cristian

I sleep under the heavy duty faraday canopy from lessemf.com I haven't slept that good in years. It also protects me from the RADAR from the military jets flying above in their practice runs ~ recovery time from the tremorsis minutes not hours. Huge effect for me.




________________________________
From: Drasko <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sat, February 13, 2010 2:37:08 PM
Subject: [eSens] Faraday cage

Dear all,
Have I mentioned some months ago I was very happy with my LaVita gypsum protection boards, and that they don't make a weird feeling known from metal Faraday cages?! Well, I was wrong!!!

Indeed, here underground where I have just partial shielding (at the ceiling) LaVita really behaved much better than aluminum plates (I had had to remove them some years ago)...
But encouraged by that success of some months ago, meanwhile I made a complete room at another place... It is difficult to explain the night(mare) spent in there! I spent another night with the same result - it could be compared only to some psychoactive drug intake... Would I prefer to sleep near amobile phone mast or there in the cage - a very difficult choice!

So I searched the net and consulted some people including Andrew from this Group - to find out the amazing uniformity in findings... Dr. Gruen who participated at this Group also has similar observations, the following is an excerpt from the site that sells his Bioprotect(www.golden-ray.com):

..."If one takes a water sample and puts it into a Faraday cage – for example, a small bottle filled with water and completely wrapped in withsome aluminum foil – and exposes it to the radiation of a mobile phone or some or other source of electromagnetic smog, then this water will significantly change its bioenergetical quality. In fact, it will change its quality much more than without the Faraday cage"...

All that has both practical and theoretical implications. Regarding practical, Marc and many of you would agree that the solution is not in measuring and mitigating fields, but in "less conventional" means...
But theory concerns me as well... So I assembled this call below and I am starting by forwarding it to this Group. I would appreciate any responses!
Best regards,

Drasko

-------------------------------
There is a rather widely accepted opinion that Electrosensitive people don't tolerate conductive plate shieldings, of a Faraday cage type. Moreover, consent regarding that is more present than regarding toleration against different radiation sources.

Such a statement is apparently an absurd as Electrosensitivity should have been sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, and the fields are at least partially mitigated by Faraday cages. (Practically, cage nullifies electric, radio and microwave radiation, while magnetic aspect isn't screened but at most cases magnetic readings keep within limits that are considered "usual".)

Currently we are attempting to collect a work group of researchers and Electrosensitive persons interested in clarification of the issue, whatever theoutcome they are advocating might have been.

We would appreciate your participation. Please contact Drasko Cvijovic at [hidden email] would you be interested in preliminary consultations.

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Hello Drasko,

the problem is, that we do have three sorts of waves:

- the normal transversal waves, we can measure and shield against

- the longitudinal waves, which do pass shieldings, and may change their
information

- the cosmic rays, which are in the TeraHertz region, and com from both the
sun and earth.

The artificial waves do interfere with the cosmic rays, which we need for
living.
The longitudinal waves are also in the Terahertz region, and may also
interfere with the cosmic rays.

The BioProtect card *absorbs* longitudinal waves and normalizes the cosmic
rays.

Aluminium is a material, rhat blocks transversal waves, but also the cosmic
rays.

A gizmo is nice, but it is much better to improve the immuun system.
So, first bring your own body in order, and a gizmo can take care of the
last 10 % of your sensitivity.
Not the other way around.

Be alaso aware, that *dirty air* is te most pestering element in the whole
elektrosmog family.
Where electrical fields are hardly measurable, those VLF waves reach much
farther, biologically, over greater distances, than theoretically thought.
Of course, this goes only for electrosensitives.

We do have here two problems:

- the waves pass a far greater distance in their biologically property
- the electrosensitives may have longer *antennas* in their body to pick
them up earlier.

One can see this also, that electrosensitives do have different antennas. I
mean for different elektrosmog sources different antennas.
These antennas may be of a telescopic type, and change in length every day,
so the sensibility may change for different sources.
*Normal* people do not have those antennas.

An example for this is Paul, UK, with the plasma TV of his neighbour.
I am not aware that Pual reacts to the fridge, or furnace or other
electrical appliances of this neighbour.
He mentions only the plasma TV.
He we may have *dirty power* as well as *dirty air*.
The dirty power may be stopped, when Paul places a Stetzer filter on the
plasma TV plug at the neighbour.
The antenna cables from TV distribution may also emit a lot of dirty air.
It may be a good idea to ground the outer mantle to a *CLEAN* ground.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton



----- Original Message -----
From: "Drasko" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: [eSens] Faraday cage


Dear all,
Have I mentioned some months ago I was very happy with my LaVita gypsum
protection boards, and that they don't make a weird feeling known from metal
Faraday cages?! Well, I was wrong!!!

Indeed, here underground where I have just partial shielding (at the
ceiling) LaVita really behaved much better than aluminum plates (I had had
to remove them some years ago)...
But encouraged by that success of some months ago, meanwhile I made a
complete room at another place... It is difficult to explain the night(mare)
spent in there! I spent another night with the same result - it could be
compared only to some psychoactive drug intake... Would I prefer to sleep
near a mobile phone mast or there in the cage - a very difficult choice!

So I searched the net and consulted some people including Andrew from this
Group - to find out the amazing uniformity in findings... Dr. Gruen who
participated at this Group also has similar observations, the following is
an excerpt from the site that sells his Bioprotect(www.golden-ray.com):

..."If one takes a water sample and puts it into a Faraday cage - for
example, a small bottle filled with water and completely wrapped in with
some aluminum foil - and exposes it to the radiation of a mobile phone or
some or other source of electromagnetic smog, then this water will
significantly change its bioenergetical quality. In fact, it will change its
quality much more than without the Faraday cage"...

All that has both practical and theoretical implications. Regarding
practical, Marc and many of you would agree that the solution is not in
measuring and mitigating fields, but in "less conventional" means...
But theory concerns me as well... So I assembled this call below and I am
starting by forwarding it to this Group. I would appreciate any responses!
Best regards,

Drasko

-------------------------------
There is a rather widely accepted opinion that Electrosensitive people don't
tolerate conductive plate shieldings, of a Faraday cage type. Moreover,
consent regarding that is more present than regarding toleration against
different radiation sources.

Such a statement is apparently an absurd as Electrosensitivity should have
been sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, and the fields are at least
partially mitigated by Faraday cages. (Practically, cage nullifies electric,
radio and microwave radiation, while magnetic aspect isn't screened but at
most cases magnetic readings keep within limits that are considered
"usual".)

Currently we are attempting to collect a work group of researchers and
Electrosensitive persons interested in clarification of the issue, whatever
the outcome they are advocating might have been.

We would appreciate your participation. Please contact Drasko Cvijovic at
[hidden email] would you be interested in preliminary consultations.

----------------------------------




------------------------------------

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Thank you for this explanation. I knew the diodes can give you like a false positive as yet in the end harm you worse b/c they let you feel like your protected but you're not thus getting damaged worse. I forward this to another forum that was asking about diodes.
Thanks so much
Kris




________________________________
From: charles <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sun, February 14, 2010 4:51:08 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Faraday cage

Hello Drasko,

the problem is, that we do have three sorts of waves:

- the normal transversal waves, we can measure and shield against

- the longitudinal waves, which do pass shieldings, and may change their
information

- the cosmic rays, which are in the TeraHertz region, and com from both the
sun and earth.

The artificial waves do interfere with the cosmic rays, which we need for
living.
The longitudinal waves are also in the Terahertz region, and may also
interfere with the cosmic rays.

The BioProtect card *absorbs* longitudinal waves and normalizes the cosmic
rays.

Aluminium is a material, rhat blocks transversal waves, but also the cosmic
rays.

A gizmo is nice, but it is much better to improve the immuun system.
So, first bring your own body in order, and a gizmo can take care of the
last 10 % of your sensitivity.
Not the other way around.

Be alaso aware, that *dirty air* is te most pestering element in the whole
elektrosmog family.
Where electrical fields are hardly measurable, those VLF waves reach much
farther, biologically, over greater distances, than theoretically thought.
Of course, this goes only for electrosensitives.

We do have here two problems:

- the waves pass a far greater distance in their biologically property
- the electrosensitives may have longer *antennas* in their body to pick
them up earlier.

One can see this also, that electrosensitives do have different antennas. I
mean for different elektrosmog sources different antennas.
These antennas may be of a telescopic type, and change in length every day,
so the sensibility may change for different sources.
*Normal* people do not have those antennas.

An example for this is Paul, UK, with the plasma TV of his neighbour.
I am not aware that Pual reacts to the fridge, or furnace or other
electrical appliances of this neighbour.
He mentions only the plasma TV.
He we may have *dirty power* as well as *dirty air*.
The dirty power may be stopped, when Paul places a Stetzer filter on the
plasma TV plug at the neighbour.
The antenna cables from TV distribution may also emit a lot of dirty air.
It may be a good idea to ground the outer mantle to a *CLEAN* ground.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton



----- Original Message -----
From: "Drasko" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Saturday, February 13, 2010 9:37 PM
Subject: [eSens] Faraday cage


Dear all,
Have I mentioned some months ago I was very happy with my LaVita gypsum
protection boards, and that they don't make a weird feeling known from metal
Faraday cages?! Well, I was wrong!!!

Indeed, here underground where I have just partial shielding (at the
ceiling) LaVita really behaved much better than aluminum plates (I had had
to remove them some years ago)...
But encouraged by that success of some months ago, meanwhile I made a
complete room at another place... It is difficult to explain the night(mare)
spent in there! I spent another night with the same result - it could be
compared only to some psychoactive drug intake... Would I prefer to sleep
near a mobile phone mast or there in the cage - a very difficult choice!

So I searched the net and consulted some people including Andrew from this
Group - to find out the amazing uniformity in findings... Dr. Gruen who
participated at this Group also has similar observations, the following is
an excerpt from the site that sells his Bioprotect(www.golden-ray.com):

..."If one takes a water sample and puts it into a Faraday cage - for
example, a small bottle filled with water and completely wrapped in with
some aluminum foil - and exposes it to the radiation of a mobile phone or
some or other source of electromagnetic smog, then this water will
significantly change its bioenergetical quality. In fact, it will change its
quality much more than without the Faraday cage"...

All that has both practical and theoretical implications. Regarding
practical, Marc and many of you would agree that the solution is not in
measuring and mitigating fields, but in "less conventional" means...
But theory concerns me as well... So I assembled this call below and I am
starting by forwarding it to this Group. I would appreciate any responses!
Best regards,

Drasko

-------------------------------
There is a rather widely accepted opinion that Electrosensitive people don't
tolerate conductive plate shieldings, of a Faraday cage type. Moreover,
consent regarding that is more present than regarding toleration against
different radiation sources.

Such a statement is apparently an absurd as Electrosensitivity should have
been sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, and the fields are at least
partially mitigated by Faraday cages. (Practically, cage nullifies electric,
radio and microwave radiation, while magnetic aspect isn't screened but at
most cases magnetic readings keep within limits that are considered
"usual".)

Currently we are attempting to collect a work group of researchers and
Electrosensitive persons interested in clarification of the issue, whatever
the outcome they are advocating might have been.

We would appreciate your participation. Please contact Drasko Cvijovic at
[hidden email] would you be interested in preliminary consultations.

----------------------------------




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Yahoo! Groups Links







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I have been turning my house into a faraday cage as much as possible. I have one room left where the atomic clock can still receive the signal. And I haven't been able to find the source of the signal yet. My home has aluminum siding and aluminum skirting. It is a mobile home. It also has two aluminum roofs. The aluminum foil experiment mentioned seems misleading. Aluminum is said to reflect outward but also radiate inward. If you have aluminum shielding you must also have a second layer of shielding inside the aluminum. The second layer would be something that can absord and not radiate inward as does the aluminum. I myself use velostat covered with ceramic tile mostly.

Then there is one other thing that I have found. It seems that if you have walls and roof shielded against electrosmog then you are exposed to energies that are coming up through the earth. I have one room that is very well shielded and I sleep really deep there. But it is not shielded underneath the floor and I have weird dreams usually just before i wake up. The dreams are too intelligent and can not be coming from within my own self and must be coming from underworld beings and inhabitants. I know how weird that sounds. I have another room where the couch is shielded under the floor with layers of granite and marble incased in concrete and it does a good job of blocking the energies coming from within the earth. I am alos working on a similar slab underneath my bed in the bedroom.


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Hi Kris,

About your message:

Thank you for this explanation. I knew the diodes can give you like a false
positive as yet in the end harm you worse b/c they let you feel like your
protected but you're not thus getting damaged worse. I forward this to another
forum that was asking about diodes.
Thanks so much
Kris



The false positive you mention I've experienced myself, with RayGuard.nl (only sold in Europe I think) first I felt better, and after a copple of months worse...

But things like that Rayguard or the Bio Protect Card are bio-magnets and no diodes. And there seems so to be a big difference between diodes and bio-magnets.

Very interesting information on this matter is written by Tom Anson, I'm copy-pasting from his webpage:
http://www.health-essentials.info/index.html

There are a number of things that you can do to restore electro-magnetic balance to your body and environment.

One of the simplest things you can do to protect yourself from this environment pollution is to wear either a bio-magnet or diode. These should be worn on the left side of the body; and are best if worn over the spleen meridian end point, between the seventh and eighth ribs on the side of the body.Either can be worn by a woman inside her bra; I have special pockets sewninto my pants to hold them.

Diodes can also be placed on things like microwave ovens and computers to block the emission of EMFs into your environment. But, the most effective way to use them is simply to wear them. They create a sort of passive buffer between you and EMFs, so that your delicate electro-magnetic balance is not disrupted.

Bio-magnets, on the other hand, are a more active sort of protection. Wornon the body, they create a kind of force-field effect around you, shielding you from electro-magnetic pollution in your environment. Not only do they offer excellent protection while being worn, their effects will last for some time after the magnet is withdrawn.

A very important word about bio-magnets
There are several companies out there marketing magnet products. One of the most popular is Nikken. But, you need to understand something that is very important to your health about Nikken and others of these magnets: They can be very dangerous to your health.

Except in very special situations, following very specific protocols, you should always have the negative pole toward you when using a magnet. Negative polarity is very supportive of the body, while inhibiting the proliferation of viruses, anaerobic bacteria and fungi in the body. This is a good thing.  

Unfortunately, Nikken (and many other bio-magnet manufacturers) use a dual-polarity pattern with their magnets: you get both positive and negative poles on each side of the magnet. This configuration feels great, and seems to offer you the best benefits from your magnets. However, such an arrangement of polarity creates an aggregate positive charge. This creates a very favorable environment for unfriendly bacteria and fungi, viruses — and, some say, cancers. Not a good thing.

There are experts — generally employed by these companies — who argue that the dual-polarity model is the best; or, at least, will not hurt you. I beg to differ with them — most strenuously. Here's why:

1) I was experiencing some problems with my low back and asked my chiropractor if he thought using a magnet belt would be of benefit. He said it sounded promising, and suggested I give it a try. Before I got started, he didsome muscle testing and found that my polarity had switched; I could not use the magnets as intended.

Without giving the matter adequate thought, we decided to try the magnet belt the wrong side out. At first, it seemed to offer me considerable relief,and we were happy with the results. However, over a matter of a couple ofweeks, I developed a really serious yeast overgrowth in my gut. It got sobad, I was actually bleeding.

After the initial V-8 moment (a thunk on the forehead and a moanful, "We should have thought about this … "), we switched the belt around to the negative side, added some probiotics to eliminate the yeast build-up, and within a month or so, I was back to normal.

2) My wife's job has her on her feet most of the day. By the end of the day, her feet can sometimes by quite tired and sore. To help with this, someone at work suggested she try some Nikken insoles.

Her initial response to them seemed very good. She seemed to have more energy, and her feet felt better at the end of the day. However, a few weeks later, she started coming home from work with an upset stomach. This got progressively worse, until she started coming home and vomiting. Every night. Over a period of a week, the nausea and vomiting became more constant and more wretching, so she went to her doctor to see if she had some sort ofliver problem. He ran some tests, but couldn't find anything wrong.

By this time, Linda was sick all the time. Really awful. We went to our chiropractor, and he immediately diagnosed her as having a yeast overgrowth in the gut — and the light turned on. We threw out the Nikken insoles, got her on some added probiotics, as well as a homeopathic remedy to knock out the yeast, and before the end of the day, she was feeling much better.

I realize these stories are nothing more than anecdotal, but I find the experience compelling. While supporting your body with bio-magnets can be a wonderful thing, you need to stay away from Nikken and other toxic magnet products. To learn how to use magnets safely and effectively, check out Biomagnetic Handbook by William Philpott and Sharon Taplin.























--- In [hidden email], K <kfarming@...> wrote:

All electrosensitives should stay away from everything that is magnetic.

So, also from all magnetic gizmo's.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton




----- Original Message -----
From: "stephen_vandevijvere" <[hidden email]>
To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:12 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Faraday cage


Hi Kris,

About your message:

Thank you for this explanation. I knew the diodes can give you like a false
positive as yet in the end harm you worse b/c they let you feel like your
protected but you're not thus getting damaged worse. I forward this to
another
forum that was asking about diodes.
Thanks so much
Kris



The false positive you mention I've experienced myself, with RayGuard.nl
(only sold in Europe I think) first I felt better, and after a copple of
months worse...

But things like that Rayguard or the Bio Protect Card are bio-magnets and no
diodes. And there seems so to be a big difference between diodes and
bio-magnets.

Very interesting information on this matter is written by Tom Anson, I'm
copy-pasting from his webpage:
http://www.health-essentials.info/index.html

There are a number of things that you can do to restore electro-magnetic
balance to your body and environment.

One of the simplest things you can do to protect yourself from this
environment pollution is to wear either a bio-magnet or diode. These should
be worn on the left side of the body; and are best if worn over the spleen
meridian end point, between the seventh and eighth ribs on the side of the
body. Either can be worn by a woman inside her bra; I have special pockets
sewn into my pants to hold them.

Diodes can also be placed on things like microwave ovens and computers to
block the emission of EMFs into your environment. But, the most effective
way to use them is simply to wear them. They create a sort of passive
buffer between you and EMFs, so that your delicate electro-magnetic balance
is not disrupted.

Bio-magnets, on the other hand, are a more active sort of protection. Worn
on the body, they create a kind of force-field effect around you, shielding
you from electro-magnetic pollution in your environment. Not only do they
offer excellent protection while being worn, their effects will last for
some time after the magnet is withdrawn.

A very important word about bio-magnets
There are several companies out there marketing magnet products. One of the
most popular is Nikken. But, you need to understand something that is very
important to your health about Nikken and others of these magnets: They can
be very dangerous to your health.

Except in very special situations, following very specific protocols, you
should always have the negative pole toward you when using a magnet.
Negative polarity is very supportive of the body, while inhibiting the
proliferation of viruses, anaerobic bacteria and fungi in the body. This is
a good thing.

Unfortunately, Nikken (and many other bio-magnet manufacturers) use a
dual-polarity pattern with their magnets: you get both positive and negative
poles on each side of the magnet. This configuration feels great, and seems
to offer you the best benefits from your magnets. However, such an
arrangement of polarity creates an aggregate positive charge. This creates
a very favorable environment for unfriendly bacteria and fungi, viruses -
and, some say, cancers. Not a good thing.

There are experts - generally employed by these companies - who argue that
the dual-polarity model is the best; or, at least, will not hurt you. I beg
to differ with them - most strenuously. Here's why:

1) I was experiencing some problems with my low back and asked my
chiropractor if he thought using a magnet belt would be of benefit. He said
it sounded promising, and suggested I give it a try. Before I got started,
he did some muscle testing and found that my polarity had switched; I could
not use the magnets as intended.

Without giving the matter adequate thought, we decided to try the magnet
belt the wrong side out. At first, it seemed to offer me considerable
relief, and we were happy with the results. However, over a matter of a
couple of weeks, I developed a really serious yeast overgrowth in my gut.
It got so bad, I was actually bleeding.

After the initial V-8 moment (a thunk on the forehead and a moanful, "We
should have thought about this . "), we switched the belt around to the
negative side, added some probiotics to eliminate the yeast build-up, and
within a month or so, I was back to normal.

2) My wife's job has her on her feet most of the day. By the end of the
day, her feet can sometimes by quite tired and sore. To help with this,
someone at work suggested she try some Nikken insoles.

Her initial response to them seemed very good. She seemed to have more
energy, and her feet felt better at the end of the day. However, a few
weeks later, she started coming home from work with an upset stomach. This
got progressively worse, until she started coming home and vomiting. Every
night. Over a period of a week, the nausea and vomiting became more
constant and more wretching, so she went to her doctor to see if she had
some sort of liver problem. He ran some tests, but couldn't find anything
wrong.

By this time, Linda was sick all the time. Really awful. We went to our
chiropractor, and he immediately diagnosed her as having a yeast overgrowth
in the gut - and the light turned on. We threw out the Nikken insoles, got
her on some added probiotics, as well as a homeopathic remedy to knock out
the yeast, and before the end of the day, she was feeling much better.

I realize these stories are nothing more than anecdotal, but I find the
experience compelling. While supporting your body with bio-magnets can be a
wonderful thing, you need to stay away from Nikken and other toxic magnet
products. To learn how to use magnets safely and effectively, check out
Biomagnetic Handbook by William Philpott and Sharon Taplin.























--- In [hidden email], K <kfarming@...> wrote:



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I wish I had known this information earlier *groans inwardly*. Just had a really awful experience with magnets. I bought a book called the emotion code by the Dr Bradley Nelson, which purports to assist healing of physical conditions by using magnets, in particular Nikken magnets. The process involved rolling the magnet over the governing meridian( forehead to back of the neck) . Well what can I say, this was an absolutely awful and destabilising experience which I would not recommend  anyone else to try.My energy felt completely trashed and ungrounded by the magnetic energy and I have felt perfectly awfull since. From this experince I can safelysay that I will never use magnets again.
 
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 --- On Mon, 15/2/10, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Faraday cage
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, 15 February, 2010, 7:15


 



All electrosensitives should stay away from everything that is magnetic.

So, also from all magnetic gizmo's.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: "stephen_vandevijve re" <stephen_vandevijver [hidden email]>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:12 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Faraday cage

Hi Kris,

About your message:

Thank you for this explanation. I knew the diodes can give you like a false
positive as yet in the end harm you worse b/c they let you feel like your
protected but you're not thus getting damaged worse. I forward this to
another
forum that was asking about diodes.
Thanks so much
Kris

The false positive you mention I've experienced myself, with RayGuard.nl
(only sold in Europe I think) first I felt better, and after a copple of
months worse...

But things like that Rayguard or the Bio Protect Card are bio-magnets and no
diodes. And there seems so to be a big difference between diodes and
bio-magnets.

Very interesting information on this matter is written by Tom Anson, I'm
copy-pasting from his webpage:
http://www.health- essentials. info/index. html

There are a number of things that you can do to restore electro-magnetic
balance to your body and environment.

One of the simplest things you can do to protect yourself from this
environment pollution is to wear either a bio-magnet or diode. These should
be worn on the left side of the body; and are best if worn over the spleen
meridian end point, between the seventh and eighth ribs on the side of the
body. Either can be worn by a woman inside her bra; I have special pockets
sewn into my pants to hold them.

Diodes can also be placed on things like microwave ovens and computers to
block the emission of EMFs into your environment. But, the most effective
way to use them is simply to wear them. They create a sort of passive
buffer between you and EMFs, so that your delicate electro-magnetic balance
is not disrupted.

Bio-magnets, on the other hand, are a more active sort of protection. Worn
on the body, they create a kind of force-field effect around you, shielding
you from electro-magnetic pollution in your environment. Not only do they
offer excellent protection while being worn, their effects will last for
some time after the magnet is withdrawn.

A very important word about bio-magnets
There are several companies out there marketing magnet products. One of the
most popular is Nikken. But, you need to understand something that is very
important to your health about Nikken and others of these magnets: They can
be very dangerous to your health.

Except in very special situations, following very specific protocols, you
should always have the negative pole toward you when using a magnet.
Negative polarity is very supportive of the body, while inhibiting the
proliferation of viruses, anaerobic bacteria and fungi in the body. This is
a good thing.

Unfortunately, Nikken (and many other bio-magnet manufacturers) use a
dual-polarity pattern with their magnets: you get both positive and negative
poles on each side of the magnet. This configuration feels great, and seems
to offer you the best benefits from your magnets. However, such an
arrangement of polarity creates an aggregate positive charge. This creates
a very favorable environment for unfriendly bacteria and fungi, viruses -
and, some say, cancers. Not a good thing.

There are experts - generally employed by these companies - who argue that
the dual-polarity model is the best; or, at least, will not hurt you. I beg
to differ with them - most strenuously. Here's why:

1) I was experiencing some problems with my low back and asked my
chiropractor if he thought using a magnet belt would be of benefit. He said
it sounded promising, and suggested I give it a try. Before I got started,
he did some muscle testing and found that my polarity had switched; I could
not use the magnets as intended.

Without giving the matter adequate thought, we decided to try the magnet
belt the wrong side out. At first, it seemed to offer me considerable
relief, and we were happy with the results. However, over a matter of a
couple of weeks, I developed a really serious yeast overgrowth in my gut.
It got so bad, I was actually bleeding.

After the initial V-8 moment (a thunk on the forehead and a moanful, "We
should have thought about this . "), we switched the belt around to the
negative side, added some probiotics to eliminate the yeast build-up, and
within a month or so, I was back to normal.

2) My wife's job has her on her feet most of the day. By the end of the
day, her feet can sometimes by quite tired and sore. To help with this,
someone at work suggested she try some Nikken insoles.

Her initial response to them seemed very good. She seemed to have more
energy, and her feet felt better at the end of the day. However, a few
weeks later, she started coming home from work with an upset stomach. This
got progressively worse, until she started coming home and vomiting. Every
night. Over a period of a week, the nausea and vomiting became more
constant and more wretching, so she went to her doctor to see if she had
some sort of liver problem. He ran some tests, but couldn't find anything
wrong.

By this time, Linda was sick all the time. Really awful. We went to our
chiropractor, and he immediately diagnosed her as having a yeast overgrowth
in the gut - and the light turned on. We threw out the Nikken insoles, got
her on some added probiotics, as well as a homeopathic remedy to knock out
the yeast, and before the end of the day, she was feeling much better.

I realize these stories are nothing more than anecdotal, but I find the
experience compelling. While supporting your body with bio-magnets can be a
wonderful thing, you need to stay away from Nikken and other toxic magnet
products. To learn how to use magnets safely and effectively, check out
Biomagnetic Handbook by William Philpott and Sharon Taplin.

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A warning about cristals seems also good in place.

Cristals do have the property, that they may help against
electrosensitivity, but for a short period.
But after a while, they suck up the nasty information and are starting to
emit them.
(That we experienced with the BioElectrical Shield. After a while it worked
even negatively. We placed it three days on a *Purple Plate*, and then it
worked well again.)

So, it is a good idea for placing some black turmalines under the monitors,
but do not forget to wash/rinse them under water from time to time.

The only cristals that do not have this property are the monolite cristals
which are inside the *Pulsors* by Yao.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton



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To: <[hidden email]>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 11:25 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Faraday cage ( magnets)




I wish I had known this information earlier *groans inwardly*. Just had a
really awful experience with magnets. I bought a book called the emotion
code by the Dr Bradley Nelson, which purports to assist healing of physical
conditions by using magnets, in particular Nikken magnets. The process
involved rolling the magnet over the governing meridian( forehead to back of
the neck) . Well what can I say, this was an absolutely awful and
destabilising experience which I would not recommend anyone else to try. My
energy felt completely trashed and ungrounded by the magnetic energy and I
have felt perfectly awfull since. From this experince I can safely say that
I will never use magnets again.

A

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From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Faraday cage
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, 15 February, 2010, 7:15






All electrosensitives should stay away from everything that is magnetic.

So, also from all magnetic gizmo's.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes. nl
www.milieuziektes. be
www.hetbitje. nl
checked by Norton

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From: "stephen_vandevijve re" <stephen_vandevijver [hidden email]>
To: <eSens@yahoogroups. com>
Sent: Sunday, February 14, 2010 8:12 PM
Subject: [eSens] Re: Faraday cage

Hi Kris,

About your message:

Thank you for this explanation. I knew the diodes can give you like a false
positive as yet in the end harm you worse b/c they let you feel like your
protected but you're not thus getting damaged worse. I forward this to
another
forum that was asking about diodes.
Thanks so much
Kris

The false positive you mention I've experienced myself, with RayGuard.nl
(only sold in Europe I think) first I felt better, and after a copple of
months worse...

But things like that Rayguard or the Bio Protect Card are bio-magnets and no
diodes. And there seems so to be a big difference between diodes and
bio-magnets.

Very interesting information on this matter is written by Tom Anson, I'm
copy-pasting from his webpage:
http://www.health- essentials. info/index. html

There are a number of things that you can do to restore electro-magnetic
balance to your body and environment.

One of the simplest things you can do to protect yourself from this
environment pollution is to wear either a bio-magnet or diode. These should
be worn on the left side of the body; and are best if worn over the spleen
meridian end point, between the seventh and eighth ribs on the side of the
body. Either can be worn by a woman inside her bra; I have special pockets
sewn into my pants to hold them.

Diodes can also be placed on things like microwave ovens and computers to
block the emission of EMFs into your environment. But, the most effective
way to use them is simply to wear them. They create a sort of passive
buffer between you and EMFs, so that your delicate electro-magnetic balance
is not disrupted.

Bio-magnets, on the other hand, are a more active sort of protection. Worn
on the body, they create a kind of force-field effect around you, shielding
you from electro-magnetic pollution in your environment. Not only do they
offer excellent protection while being worn, their effects will last for
some time after the magnet is withdrawn.

A very important word about bio-magnets
There are several companies out there marketing magnet products. One of the
most popular is Nikken. But, you need to understand something that is very
important to your health about Nikken and others of these magnets: They can
be very dangerous to your health.

Except in very special situations, following very specific protocols, you
should always have the negative pole toward you when using a magnet.
Negative polarity is very supportive of the body, while inhibiting the
proliferation of viruses, anaerobic bacteria and fungi in the body. This is
a good thing.

Unfortunately, Nikken (and many other bio-magnet manufacturers) use a
dual-polarity pattern with their magnets: you get both positive and negative
poles on each side of the magnet. This configuration feels great, and seems
to offer you the best benefits from your magnets. However, such an
arrangement of polarity creates an aggregate positive charge. This creates
a very favorable environment for unfriendly bacteria and fungi, viruses -
and, some say, cancers. Not a good thing.

There are experts - generally employed by these companies - who argue that
the dual-polarity model is the best; or, at least, will not hurt you. I beg
to differ with them - most strenuously. Here's why:

1) I was experiencing some problems with my low back and asked my
chiropractor if he thought using a magnet belt would be of benefit. He said
it sounded promising, and suggested I give it a try. Before I got started,
he did some muscle testing and found that my polarity had switched; I could
not use the magnets as intended.

Without giving the matter adequate thought, we decided to try the magnet
belt the wrong side out. At first, it seemed to offer me considerable
relief, and we were happy with the results. However, over a matter of a
couple of weeks, I developed a really serious yeast overgrowth in my gut.
It got so bad, I was actually bleeding.

After the initial V-8 moment (a thunk on the forehead and a moanful, "We
should have thought about this . "), we switched the belt around to the
negative side, added some probiotics to eliminate the yeast build-up, and
within a month or so, I was back to normal.

2) My wife's job has her on her feet most of the day. By the end of the
day, her feet can sometimes by quite tired and sore. To help with this,
someone at work suggested she try some Nikken insoles.

Her initial response to them seemed very good. She seemed to have more
energy, and her feet felt better at the end of the day. However, a few
weeks later, she started coming home from work with an upset stomach. This
got progressively worse, until she started coming home and vomiting. Every
night. Over a period of a week, the nausea and vomiting became more
constant and more wretching, so she went to her doctor to see if she had
some sort of liver problem. He ran some tests, but couldn't find anything
wrong.

By this time, Linda was sick all the time. Really awful. We went to our
chiropractor, and he immediately diagnosed her as having a yeast overgrowth
in the gut - and the light turned on. We threw out the Nikken insoles, got
her on some added probiotics, as well as a homeopathic remedy to knock out
the yeast, and before the end of the day, she was feeling much better.

I realize these stories are nothing more than anecdotal, but I find the
experience compelling. While supporting your body with bio-magnets can be a
wonderful thing, you need to stay away from Nikken and other toxic magnet
products. To learn how to use magnets safely and effectively, check out
Biomagnetic Handbook by William Philpott and Sharon Taplin.

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Hi Drasko

Have you tried the Bioprotect card then?

Thanks
Kikkie

--- In [hidden email], "Drasko" <cvijovic@...> wrote:

Yes, Kikkie, I find the Bioprotect one of the most effective "gadgets" on the market, but I avoid to wear it constantly as I consider that it (like other such devices) slowly looses efficiency until I make a pause, so I try to save it for breakdowns when I can't make avoidance...Please send a link on the gadget (magnetic wire) you use for computers?By the way I myself have 3 daughters, but if I didn't make "resets" in wilderness I would have been of no use to them...
Drasko
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Hi Drasko

Have you tried the Bioprotect card then?

Thanks
Kikkie

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Drasko, please include me in your discussions on the theory on
this.  I should say there is one person with EHS who advocates shielding.
That is Bruce in AZ.  He is extremely sensitive, and he's
an electrical engineer... after he realized he was EHS he got training
from one of the founders of one of the major faraday cage manufacturers.
Also, he starts in a fairly remote area.

So I think before we dismiss a Faraday cage solution in general we
need to do measurements in such cages.  If there is a resonance and the
shielding / grounding isn't good enough the field can become worse at some
frequencies.  Also, the natural background "noise" can be shielded, so the
resonance may appear worse relative to that.

Bill

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> Drasko, please include me in your discussions on the theory on
> this.  I should say there is one person with EHS who advocates shielding.
> That is Bruce in AZ.  He is extremely sensitive, and he's
> an electrical engineer... after he realized he was EHS he got training
> from one of the founders of one of the major faraday cage manufacturers.
> Also, he starts in a fairly remote area.

Certainly we've had several people on this group reporting success using
various types of shielding.  It seems pretty straightforward that this
should help if done properly.

I personally don't think shielding is a good option for me because it "boxes
me in" to one location, while I prefer solutions that allow me to work,
go the grocery store, travel in an airplane, stay in a hotel, etc.  So
I've always focused a bit more on the "oddball" solutions that I could
carry around with me.

Marc

Imo Dietrich Grün (and others) are correct regards the unmeasurable Tesla/scalar/longitudinal waves. It's a fact that what we measure with emf-meters is not the harmful part of emf.

The theory of Tesla/scalar/longitudinal waves explains WHY:

-some people (me included) are so sensitive to some emf, they feel the emf even when the measurable part of emf is so low you can not measure the source of emf...

-faraday cages and shielding never are as good as it seems on the emf-meter, most feel worse, some feel a tad better there for a short period of time, probably because the shielding does change some of the properties of the signal which may even result into more harmful emf, but sometimes any change can be a good thing, even if it's actually worse emf-wise...

-homeopathy, energy-healing, electro-accupuncture,...

-we can feel things like crystal stones

-emf gadgets do something and it's not imagination we can actually feel them! (bioprotect card, quantum,...)

-energizing water with words/music (Emoto), vorticising (Schauberger),...

-earth radiation

-...

Anything that actually matters in this crazy world (good and bad stuff) is vibrating via Tesla/scalar/longitudinal waves, unfortunately so far these waves seem unmeasurable with conventional tools!

I suppose as long as we can not measure these waves there still is some mystery to life?!

Anyway there are a lot of things we can not explain with old-school-science... Time for scientists to wake up and have an open mind and not be afraid of doing research from another perspective than Newton's...

Stephen.



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Like they are doing at CERN?


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Thanks Drasko

I will try and find a link for you (it's South African though...). I actually met the guy who makes them years ago, coincidentally, and bought a few off him.  At the time I wasn't all that much into the idea of EMF, but thought, 'why not'.  

I know I've seen an agent website for them though, whilst googling, but I can't find it right now.

He had Robert Becker's 'Body Currents' book, I seem to recall it was based on stuff he read in there.

Will get back to you asap.

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For me, taking up the floor made a huge difference.  Most of the 'reflected radiation' feeling of the cage went away.  Also, I could feel something (whether radiation or the aluminium metal) travelling up my legs when I walked over the floor, and that problem is now gone.

The room is ground floor, so I don't really have a problem with stuff coming from underneath.

I tested the cell phone in their last night, it hovers between 0 and 1 bars (whereas before taking up the floor it was 0). So it's made little difference to the blocking out effect.

Trifield meter shows it's lowest in the room, but so it does through the rest of the house, except close to the telephone landline (pulsed field) and light and electricity switches (it has a pulsed magnetic field on all this, which I suspect comes from the telephone wire; same pulse).  

Where the telephone wires runs along the one wall of the Faraday cage, the meter picks up the pulsed EMF field up to about 60 cm from the wall (through the aluminium).

The AM radio, which buzzes through the rest of the house, is pretty much quiet in the faraday cage; FM radio still receives perfect radio.

I wouldn't discount the cage and the protection either, I think it needs to be very well grounded (mine is grounded with two earthing spikes) and these spikes need to remain very conductive by keeping them very wet. I can definitely feel the difference when they dry out.

Also, I think not doing the floor is important, whether for the Schumann field, or whatever other reason.

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Yeah, that's the problem, I can't live in one room.  And whilst the two ELF protectors I have seem to work for this CRT monitor, they don't seem to help much with visits to the store and the fluorescent lights.



--- In [hidden email], "Marc Martin" <marc@...> wrote:

Yes, I also agree with this.

The EMF gadgets I have make a big difference with the CRT screen.  

Quantumproducts's quantumbytes software I could feel, and it made me feel horrible.

I recently bought two crystals (two wear around the neck by a leather string); the one was a clear quarts and the other some black stone which I now can't remember the name of. They gave the the same horrible EMF feeling, so even they seemed to overwhelm me.

I also feel the EMF of stuff that shows really low on my trifield meter, like the fridge.  




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