Faraday cage

Hi Drasko

Here's the link (but it's in South Africa as I said...)

http://lindasmith.co.za/pages/electro-smog.php



--- In [hidden email], "kikkie2004" <kirsty.weight@...> wrote:

> Like they are doing at CERN?

I think Quantum Physics tries to understand and analyze the longitudinal/Tesla/scalar waves...

I copy paste from Tennant's book (must be the most quoted book here on eSens by now?!) from an introductory chapter:

...Remember that Newton's Laws apply the things you can see but don't work well for small things. Quantum physics laws apply to small things you can't see like atoms. The energy exchange between atoms occurs before chemical reactions occur.

The universe appears to have a Newtonian component superimposed on a quantic component. The body is the same. The body is controlled by quantum laws until it dies. It then becomes Newtonian. Much of medicine treats the body as if it were Newtonian. At the moment the body loses its mangetic field, the body dies...




--- In [hidden email], Robert Williams <robert_connolly@...> wrote:

So maybe we're being 'overpowered' by EMF because our own magnetic fields have become so weak.

And if so I wonder what the cause is, and how to restore it.

--- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:

> Quantumproducts's quantumbytes software I could feel, and it made me feel
> horrible.

Was that a short-term "feeling horrible", or long-term?

I do recall feeling bad when first trying out the stuff from Quantum
Products, but I think that was just an initial detox reaction.  None
of their products make me feel horrible any more.

Marc

The tri-field meter is a great tool, but if we're trying to talk
science of what can be measured and what can't, it's just
not sensitive enough.  If you get the 100x external antenna
it begins to get more interesting, but it still can't detect the
EMFs from a living being (but a shark or ray can!).

Plus, these inexpensive meters are too limited in frequency response,
and for electric field they may not have high enough impedance.
There's a reason the professional units cost ~$30,000... although
for sure they would cost less if there were a consumer market
for them.

I just installed a big filter for the power going to the house.
There seems to be problems now at about 100kHz and 500 kHz.
Certainly the 500 kHz will not show on a tri-field for an AM radio.

Galileo said "Measure that which is measurable, make measurable
that which is not".

Bill



On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:53 PM, kikkie2004 <[hidden email]>wrote:


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Hello Bill,

when you use a Spectran NF 5035, with extension to 20 or 30 MHz, you can measure from 1 Hz up to 30 MHz.
You will be flabbergasted what you can detect in your mains.

With everything needed, it costs overhere 2.000 Euro, VAT included.
A laptop is not included.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Bill Bruno
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 6:11 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Faraday cage Drasko


  The tri-field meter is a great tool, but if we're trying to talk
  science of what can be measured and what can't, it's just
  not sensitive enough.  If you get the 100x external antenna
  it begins to get more interesting, but it still can't detect the
  EMFs from a living being (but a shark or ray can!).

  Plus, these inexpensive meters are too limited in frequency response,
  and for electric field they may not have high enough impedance.
  There's a reason the professional units cost ~$30,000... although
  for sure they would cost less if there were a consumer market
  for them.

  I just installed a big filter for the power going to the house.
  There seems to be problems now at about 100kHz and 500 kHz.
  Certainly the 500 kHz will not show on a tri-field for an AM radio.

  Galileo said "Measure that which is measurable, make measurable
  that which is not".

  Bill



  On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 11:53 PM, kikkie2004 <[hidden email]>wrote:

  >
  >
  > Yes, I also agree with this.
  >
  > The EMF gadgets I have make a big difference with the CRT screen.
  >
  > Quantumproducts's quantumbytes software I could feel, and it made me feel
  > horrible.
  >
  > I recently bought two crystals (two wear around the neck by a leather
  > string); the one was a clear quarts and the other some black stone which I
  > now can't remember the name of. They gave the the same horrible EMF feeling,
  > so even they seemed to overwhelm me.
  >
  > I also feel the EMF of stuff that shows really low on my trifield meter,
  > like the fridge.
  >
  > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>,
  > "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:
  > >
  > > Imo Dietrich Grün (and others) are correct regards the unmeasurable
  > Tesla/scalar/longitudinal waves. It's a fact that what we measure with
  > emf-meters is not the harmful part of emf.
  > >
  > > The theory of Tesla/scalar/longitudinal waves explains WHY:
  > >
  > > -some people (me included) are so sensitive to some emf, they feel the
  > emf even when the measurable part of emf is so low you can not measure the
  > source of emf...
  > >
  > > -faraday cages and shielding never are as good as it seems on the
  > emf-meter, most feel worse, some feel a tad better there for a short period
  > of time, probably because the shielding does change some of the properties
  > of the signal which may even result into more harmful emf, but sometimes any
  > change can be a good thing, even if it's actually worse emf-wise...
  > >
  > > -homeopathy, energy-healing, electro-accupuncture,...
  > >
  > > -we can feel things like crystal stones
  > >
  > > -emf gadgets do something and it's not imagination we can actually feel
  > them! (bioprotect card, quantum,...)
  > >
  > > -energizing water with words/music (Emoto), vorticising (Schauberger),...
  > >
  > > -earth radiation
  > >
  > > -...
  > >
  > > Anything that actually matters in this crazy world (good and bad stuff)
  > is vibrating via Tesla/scalar/longitudinal waves, unfortunately so far these
  > waves seem unmeasurable with conventional tools!
  > >
  > > I suppose as long as we can not measure these waves there still is some
  > mystery to life?!
  > >
  > > Anyway there are a lot of things we can not explain with
  > old-school-science... Time for scientists to wake up and have an open mind
  > and not be afraid of doing research from another perspective than
  > Newton's...
  > >
  > > Stephen.
  > >
  > >
  > >
  > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com>, Bill Bruno
  > <wbruno@> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > Drasko, please include me in your discussions on the theory on
  > > > this. I should say there is one person with EHS who advocates
  > shielding.
  > > > That is Bruce in AZ. He is extremely sensitive, and he's
  > > > an electrical engineer... after he realized he was EHS he got training
  > > > from one of the founders of one of the major faraday cage
  > manufacturers.
  > > > Also, he starts in a fairly remote area.
  > > >
  > > > So I think before we dismiss a Faraday cage solution in general we
  > > > need to do measurements in such cages. If there is a resonance and the
  > > > shielding / grounding isn't good enough the field can become worse at
  > some
  > > > frequencies. Also, the natural background "noise" can be shielded, so
  > the
  > > > resonance may appear worse relative to that.
  > > >
  > > > Bill
  > > >
  > > > On Thu, Oct 14, 2010 at 6:27 AM, kikkie2004 <kirsty.weight@> wrote:
  > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > > Hi Drasko
  > > > >
  > > > > Have you tried the Bioprotect card then?
  > > > >
  > > > > Thanks
  > > > > Kikkie
  > > > >
  > > > > --- In [hidden email] <eSens%40yahoogroups.com> <eSens%
  > 40yahoogroups.com>, "Drasko"
  > > > > <cvijovic@> wrote:
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Dear all,
  > > > > > Have I mentioned some months ago I was very happy with my LaVita
  > gypsum
  > > > > protection boards, and that they don't make a weird feeling known
  > from metal
  > > > > Faraday cages?! Well, I was wrong!!!
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Indeed, here underground where I have just partial shielding (at
  > the
  > > > > ceiling) LaVita really behaved much better than aluminum plates (I
  > had had
  > > > > to remove them some years ago)...
  > > > > > But encouraged by that success of some months ago, meanwhile I made
  > a
  > > > > complete room at another place... It is difficult to explain the
  > night(mare)
  > > > > spent in there! I spent another night with the same result - it could
  > be
  > > > > compared only to some psychoactive drug intake... Would I prefer to
  > sleep
  > > > > near a mobile phone mast or there in the cage - a very difficult
  > choice!
  > > > > >
  > > > > > So I searched the net and consulted some people including Andrew
  > from
  > > > > this Group - to find out the amazing uniformity in findings... Dr.
  > Gruen who
  > > > > participated at this Group also has similar observations, the
  > following is
  > > > > an excerpt from the site that sells his Bioprotect(
  > www.golden-ray.com):
  > > > > >
  > > > > > ..."If one takes a water sample and puts it into a Faraday cage -
  > for
  > > > > example, a small bottle filled with water and completely wrapped in
  > with
  > > > > some aluminum foil - and exposes it to the radiation of a mobile
  > phone or
  > > > > some or other source of electromagnetic smog, then this water will
  > > > > significantly change its bioenergetical quality. In fact, it will
  > change its
  > > > > quality much more than without the Faraday cage"...
  > > > > >
  > > > > > All that has both practical and theoretical implications. Regarding
  > > > > practical, Marc and many of you would agree that the solution is not
  > in
  > > > > measuring and mitigating fields, but in "less conventional" means...
  > > > > > But theory concerns me as well... So I assembled this call below
  > and I am
  > > > > starting by forwarding it to this Group. I would appreciate any
  > responses!
  > > > > > Best regards,
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Drasko
  > > > > >
  > > > > > -------------------------------
  > > > > > There is a rather widely accepted opinion that Electrosensitive
  > people
  > > > > don't tolerate conductive plate shieldings, of a Faraday cage type.
  > > > > Moreover, consent regarding that is more present than regarding
  > toleration
  > > > > against different radiation sources.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Such a statement is apparently an absurd as Electrosensitivity
  > should
  > > > > have been sensitivity to electromagnetic fields, and the fields are
  > at least
  > > > > partially mitigated by Faraday cages. (Practically, cage nullifies
  > electric,
  > > > > radio and microwave radiation, while magnetic aspect isn't screened
  > but at
  > > > > most cases magnetic readings keep within limits that are considered
  > > > > "usual".)
  > > > > >
  > > > > > Currently we are attempting to collect a work group of researchers
  > and
  > > > > Electrosensitive persons interested in clarification of the issue,
  > whatever
  > > > > the outcome they are advocating might have been.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > We would appreciate your participation. Please contact Drasko
  > Cvijovic at
  > > > > cvijovic@ would you be interested in preliminary consultations.
  > > > > >
  > > > > > ----------------------------------
  > > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > > >
  > > >
  > > >
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  > > >
  > >
  >
  >  
  >


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A faraday cage would only work for me as a sleeping solution, also, Marc.  But there have been times I needed that.
 
Diane

--- On Thu, 10/14/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Faraday cage Drasko
To: [hidden email]
Date: Thursday, October 14, 2010, 3:37 PM


 



> Drasko, please include me in your discussions on the theory on
> this. I should say there is one person with EHS who advocates shielding.
> That is Bruce in AZ. He is extremely sensitive, and he's
> an electrical engineer... after he realized he was EHS he got training
> from one of the founders of one of the major faraday cage manufacturers.
> Also, he starts in a fairly remote area.

Certainly we've had several people on this group reporting success using
various types of shielding. It seems pretty straightforward that this
should help if done properly.

I personally don't think shielding is a good option for me because it "boxes
me in" to one location, while I prefer solutions that allow me to work,
go the grocery store, travel in an airplane, stay in a hotel, etc. So
I've always focused a bit more on the "oddball" solutions that I could
carry around with me.

Marc








     

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Ooops, Kikkie,
 
I sent the rose quartz info before I read this.  I also do really well with quantum devices, so the rose quartz might not work for you.
 
Diane

--- On Fri, 10/15/10, kikkie2004 <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: kikkie2004 <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: Faraday cage Drasko
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 1:53 AM


 



Yes, I also agree with this.

The EMF gadgets I have make a big difference with the CRT screen.

Quantumproducts's quantumbytes software I could feel, and it made me feel horrible.

I recently bought two crystals (two wear around the neck by a leather string); the one was a clear quarts and the other some black stone which I now can't remember the name of. They gave the the same horrible EMF feeling, so even they seemed to overwhelm me.

I also feel the EMF of stuff that shows really low on my trifield meter, like the fridge.

--- In [hidden email], "stephen_vandevijvere" <stephen_vandevijvere@...> wrote:








     

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Same here, Marc and Kikkie.
 
Infact, until I hit upon just the very right place on the quantum pro dial, it all felt horrible to me.  (And I also had an accident requiring hand surgery while I was initially getting used to even the setting which I liked, due to excessive detoxing brain-fog.)
 
Diane

--- On Fri, 10/15/10, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: Faraday cage Drasko
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, October 15, 2010, 10:01 AM


 



> Quantumproducts's quantumbytes software I could feel, and it made me feel
> horrible.

Was that a short-term "feeling horrible", or long-term?

I do recall feeling bad when first trying out the stuff from Quantum
Products, but I think that was just an initial detox reaction. None
of their products make me feel horrible any more.

Marc








     

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