EMF shileding products

Hi,

I'm just wondering if anybody has bought any products that they can say from their experience without a doubt actually work. I just received several hundred dollars worth of products from lessemf and on the whole I'm pretty disappointed- I can't be sure if they really even work...and I'm even measuring with a trifield meter...possibly I expected too much? I think the best solution is still avoidance!

I would like to know if anybody has any tried and tested products they found have helped and would HIGHLY recommend. I am particularly interested to know if anybody has tried energetic protection devices like earthcalm? I personally have had for the last few years the qlink pendant and ally but my sensitivity has gotten to the point that it seems to no longer be that helpful.

any feedback appreciated.

cheers,
zoe

Towards the beginning of my awareness, I bought a q-link w/ a return policy and then did further research and decided to return it.  My initial research found it mentioned in a reputable source with a study to back it up.  Later on, however, I realized that was all probably part of the scam.

BTW, I think Less EMF is pretty good about not having most of the typical scam energetic protection devices, e.g., they don't have q-link and earthcalm, for instance.   What else did you buy besides Trifield?

Links Warning about Scams:

1. Blog by Alasdair Philips who I believe may be ES also: http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/columns/aphilips/viewcomments.asp?viewBlog=16 .  

2. Article "Scams Galore" under http://www.microwavenews.com/

3. EMFacts Consultancy http://www.emfacts.com/weblog/?p=1096

I'd recommend looking for a good building biologist in your area to check out your home for problems such as body voltage, dimmers, etc.


--- In [hidden email], "electromagneticzoe" <mscherrylane@...> wrote:

Hi Zoe,

My girlfriend is improved at the mo.

This is what she does:

Has a specially made hat (like balaclava) she had made from highly screening material (99% absorbtion, I tested with a cornet meter 60dB reduction, my phone signal completely died inside the material), a type of Silverex (Bremen), double stitched. This seems to really help when near any masts. She used to earth, with earthing straps on full body silverex suit protection, but then we have researched and it is better to earth after the exposure, or electric field increases inside the body if earthing while exposed. Used to lie under electromat when in car but can sit up with balaclava on now. Balaclava, protecting head (brain) and glands (ie thyroid in throat) seems to prevent kick on effect to CNS and adrenal/hormonal system. She used to have flushing and fevers when exposed.

She has no electricity in the house, when she is in it fusebox off..
Fridge in outhouse.
Uses oil lamps/candles for lighting.
Painting all walls brilliant white for more reflection.
Woodburners for heat
Gas cooker or wood aga in kitchen.
Takes huge range of supplements. Mainly antinflamatories, like quercetin, Vit D etc. Also calcium, potassium and magnesium aep (been good for MS sufferers). Dried loads of nettles for tea (high in quercetin).
Alkaline diet as much as she can.
Apple cider vinegar, in drinks, on body and in baths.
Uses electromat over window at night. Dark (good for melatonin) and quiet and Rf screened.
Wooden framed bed/sponge mattress.
is in detached house in middle of no where.
Very low cellphone signal near her now
uses car infrequently always in light no lights/ heater etc when driving
Does energy work, learning to move heat and energy through and out of her body, Qi Gong
Learning to control fight or flight emotions when confronted by EMF threat
has epsom salt bath after every EMF exposure
grounds as much as possible outside barefoot on damp earth
exercises and walks frequently
uses crystals
has a landline phone with air tubes on it so not near wire
watches film on a portable dvd player with picoprojector on screen from 40 ft away from her. all on battery power.
Portable radio 40-50-ft away.
Tries to not get stressed and stay creative and happy.
Sleeps for long periods.
Meeting few more people who are not judgmental and can sit outside to have tea and biscuits with. Slightly more social contact than before
Longer she has avoidance seems that her system is recovering slowly.
Has even been in few shops, and into a town for first time in a year
Has lovely sprocker spaniel dog for company for when she is socially isolated. Joyful puppy licks helps her get up in the mornings.

Try and get your situation as safe and clear as possible. And then try not to stress. Heal your immune system and CNS.

Avoidance is key. Management of the condition. Good diet. And supportive loving friends.

As for all the other pendants and stuff. Rubbish.Waste of money.

Trifield meter and rf meter like cornet good to check environment is as safe as possible.

Hope any of that helps.

Cheers

Charlie


--- On Tue, 31/5/11, electromagneticzoe <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: electromagneticzoe <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] EMF shileding products
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, 31 May, 2011, 9:40







 



 


   
     
     
      Hi,



I'm just wondering if anybody has bought any products that they can say from their experience without a doubt actually work. I just received several hundred dollars worth of products from lessemf and on the whole I'm pretty disappointed- I can't be sure if they really even work...and I'm even measuring with a trifield meter...possibly I expected too much? I think the best solution is still avoidance!



I would like to know if anybody has any tried and tested products they found have helped and would HIGHLY recommend. I am particularly interested to know if anybody has tried energetic protection devices like earthcalm? I personally have had for the last few years the qlink pendant and ally but my sensitivity has gotten to the point that it seems to no longer be that helpful.



any feedback appreciated.



cheers,

zoe





   
     

   
   


 



 





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> Towards the beginning of my awareness, I bought a q-link w/ a return
> policy and then did further research and decided to return it.  My
> initial research found it mentioned in a reputable source with a
> study to back it up.  Later on, however, I realized that was all
> probably part of the scam.

Actually, some people here have had good results with the Q-Link,
so I wouldn't call it a scam at all.  Maybe it didn't work for you
(although from your post it's not clear that you even tried it), but
you should never conclude that your results will match everyone
elses.

I've had good luck with several EMF protection devices:

-- most items from quantumproducts.com
-- springlife polarizers (which no longer seem to be available)
-- mega-chi pendant
-- earthcalm plug-in devices
-- personal polarizer from cutcat.com

Nothing on the above list is a complete cure for ES, but they've
all provided a noticeable amount of improvement in certain
situations.  And preferable to trying to build an EMF-free
environment to isolate myself in.

Marc

Hi Zoe,

I've tried almost everything there is to try, Qlink, Earthcalm etc.  All those type of gizmo's did nothing, including the Quantum products...which i sent back to get a refund.  I'm pretty badly sensitive and feel almost everything, but I have found a couple of things help...a bit.

Bought the silverell hoodie from lessEMF, that helps when I'm sitting at home reading (obviously not watching tele!). With the hood up, my ears dont buzz as much and I feel a bit calmer.

Recently, I have started taking Astragalus root food supplement which seems to help a little bit too...but it is early days.  I've also got the bed canopy made of Naturell and sleep with the power turned off...this gives me a bit of sanctury at night.

Hope this helps, if you want to message me personally feel free.

Paul

--- In [hidden email], "electromagneticzoe" <mscherrylane@...> wrote:

Hi, Zoe and all the recent Newbies,
 
I (and Marc the moderator) have had good experience with Quantum products--I have tried a whole house emf "conditioner" (the Quantum Pro), their 3 plug outlet strip, and the Quantum Companion.  The Companion didn't work for me due to how I needed to use it.  But I really like the other 2 and think they help.  HOWEVER, due to our bodies' needs being different, even these products may not work for *you*.  We see this all the time here--some things work for some people; other things work for other people. 
 
In the end, even tho these Q products have helped me, I have had much more help by finding ways to make my body, itself, healthier--detox treatments, better diet, raising my pH (because it was too low), using particular supplements to address problem areas in my body, etc.....  
 
I have also addressed the needs of my house to make it much less emf central--we've gone more to gas power (hot water, range, all gas furnace, fridge...), bypassing electric altogether where possible, opted for manual tools and appliances where possible, have nothing digital or wireless in our home, changed wiring and designed a plan where the wiring we do have is behind cabinets and not near where we sit or sleep, set up meters at the road and the circuit box on the far end of the garage, fought to keep from having smart meters (I lost to the water company, but the results still haven't been horrible, as they buried the meter in a hole out at the road), etc.  Our house power can actually be turned off now by a "kill" switch at the road, nightly; and once we get our gas fridge, unless I am doing something which requires electric, I could go some days without ever turning it back on. 
 
Addressing the house needs was pricey, but it is my sanctuary and I am doing very well now (ES was not my only health concern--I have multiple health problems and all of them are better).  I can still "feel" emfs sometimes, but they barely affect me, and only for a few minutes usually.  There are infrequent times I can feel emfs alot, but I have found ways to avoid these.  If I had it to do over, I would have bought a house more in the country, not in a neighborhood.  (I am not sure what will happen when the smart meters are put in at full power, everywhere--my nieghbors are not going to have theirs underground.) 
 
Many of you do not have the option to redo wiring or address anything in your home, due to living in an apartment or with someone else.  However, you still can work on addressing health needs to make yourself as strong as possible.  Keep a notebook and list all possible things you personally can do or try in it.  There are ideas mentioned here which help all the time.  This is not a one fix problem.  You can get good results from multiple fixes and they do not need to be as extensive as ours were--some are cost free.  I think perhaps we are not far from having a treatment for tight junction permeability.  (We can hope.)  How effective that might be is still not known, but I strongly believe tight junctions can be made to open less easily.
 
Good luck,
Diane

--- On Tue, 5/31/11, electromagneticzoe <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: electromagneticzoe <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] EMF shileding products
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, May 31, 2011, 4:40 AM


 



Hi,

I'm just wondering if anybody has bought any products that they can say from their experience without a doubt actually work. I just received several hundred dollars worth of products from lessemf and on the whole I'm pretty disappointed- I can't be sure if they really even work...and I'm even measuring with a trifield meter...possibly I expected too much? I think the best solution is still avoidance!

I would like to know if anybody has any tried and tested products they found have helped and would HIGHLY recommend. I am particularly interested to know if anybody has tried energetic protection devices like earthcalm? I personally have had for the last few years the qlink pendant and ally but my sensitivity has gotten to the point that it seems to no longer be that helpful.

any feedback appreciated.

cheers,
zoe








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Hi Charlie,

Great suggestions!

FYI on choosing a safe candle -- National Geographic Green Guide suggests beeswax or soy wax as a safer nonpetroleum alternative to paraffin which releases toxic particles into the air.  It also advises that
-The wick can also contain lead so find one that's lead-free.
-Synthetic fragrance may contain hormone-disrupting phthalates, but essential oils may be healthier

I wonder if she would be able to tolerate a lamp if it is grounded?  That will reduce its effect on one's body voltage.

I've read about people with MCS who got ES because they couldn't go out as easily so they stayed indoor and used the computer too much.  Thus, even without having MCS, I think those of us who have ES have to make sure we don't choose solutions that expose us to too many chemicals.  


--- In [hidden email], blue green <blagrongra@...> wrote:

 
to consider all these neutralizing devices as scam is too simple. Many  
people experience relief from their ES symptoms, and there is also scientific  
proof that these things work. Now there arises the question, why in many
cases  it does not work. The answer due to my research is als follows.
 
Electromagnetic waves cause a biological effect mainly through the Tesla  
waves contained in the normally measurable waves. These Tesla waves behave  
somewhat different, than the measurable waves. They follow very peculiar laws
of  resonance. A human body is a fairly good resonator for these waves,
q-link and  all these others are also resonators, usually stronger than a human
body.  Through their resonance the keep away the harmful radiation form the
human body  and neutralize it. The problem of electrosensitive people is
that they have  developed a much stronger resonance to these Tesla waves,
stronger than these  devices and then the body absorbes these waves and the
symptoms persist.
 
A way to remedy this situation is to develop stronger resonators. I have  
done this, but still quite a number of electrosensitives are not helped.
 
A second way is to use these laws of resonance more intelligently. This  
resonance is also dependant on distance, the further away form the source of  
radiation less good is the resonance and vice versa. So if you fix an  
electrosmog neutralizing device to the relevant electric appliance, it my help,  
while it did not help wearing it on the body. Being close to the source of  
radiation the device my overcome the strong resonance of your body  even if
it has a lower resonance than your body. This is the law of  distance .
 
This is not speculation, this is the result of now 10 years of  
experimentation with these Tesla waves.
 
Now the resonance of a human body may be different for different  
frequencies, the resonance of a device also may be different for different  
frequencies. This explains, why the experience with these devices is  individually so
different. But always generally valid is the law of resonance as  described
above.
 
So, before discarding something as scam, use this knowledge and most  
important let me know your results.
 
dietrich
 
 
 
 
n einer eMail vom 31.05.2011 14:38:24 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt  
[hidden email]:

 
Towards the beginning of my awareness, I bought a q-link w/ a return policy
 and then did further research and decided to return it. My initial
research  found it mentioned in a reputable source with a study to back it up.
Later on,  however, I realized that was all probably part of the scam.

BTW, I  think Less EMF is pretty good about not having most of the typical
scam  energetic protection devices, e.g., they don't have q-link and
earthcalm, for  instance. What else did you buy besides Trifield?

Links Warning about  Scams:

1. Blog by Alasdair Philips who I believe may be ES also:
_http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/columns/aphilips/viewcomments.asp?viewBlog=16_
(http://www.powerwatch.org.uk/columns/aphilips/viewcomments.asp?viewBlog=16)   .

2. Article "Scams Galore" under _http://www.microwavenews.com/_
(http://www.microwavenews.com/)

3.  EMFacts Consultancy _http://www.emfacts.com/weblog/?p=1096_
(http://www.emfacts.com/weblog/?p=1096)

I'd  recommend looking for a good building biologist in your area to check
out your  home for problems such as body voltage, dimmers, etc.

--- In _eSens@yahoogroups.com_ (mailto:[hidden email]) ,  
"electromagneticzoe" <mscherrylane@...> wrote:
>
>  Hi,
>
> I'm just wondering if anybody has bought any products  that they can say
from their experience without a doubt actually work. I just  received
several hundred dollars worth of products from lessemf and on the  whole I'm
pretty disappointed- I can't be sure if they really even work...and  I'm even
measuring with a trifield meter...possibly I expected too much? I  think the
best solution is still avoidance!
>
> I would like to  know if anybody has any tried and tested products they
found have helped and  would HIGHLY recommend. I am particularly interested
to know if anybody has  tried energetic protection devices like earthcalm? I
personally have had for  the last few years the qlink pendant and ally but
my sensitivity has gotten to  the point that it seems to no longer be that
helpful.
>
> any  feedback appreciated.
>
> cheers,
>  zoe
>








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Hi everyone,

Thanks some really useful info here (I have tried ALOT too) I too think avoidance and doing as much as possible eg turning of electricity at the fuse box is the only thing that has helped, along with installing plastic piping to cut the stray current that travels up copper pipes and also reducing personal static eg not wearing fibre that holds static.

I found my Qlink pendant definitely I find it more helpful on than off. I can feel after a while when I am not wearing it...I have also had it muscle tested for my self by a chiropractor.

HOWEVER I just wanted to share my experience with many products at LESSEMF. DO NOT DO IT- their products in that realm between pure advertising GIMMICK and cheap dysfunctional junk that are of very poor quality and are not worth paying for as they do very little and you are better off without them. The reality of the actual product as compared to the promising descriptions in their catalogue leaves a lot to be desired. I have written to the company to express my displeasure with the many products I ordered and am waiting to see if there is any response/defence (which I will update you if there is.

Interestingly I have a trifield meter and the shielding screen bought for my laptop and the shielding alloy for the base of my laptop MADE ABSOLUTELY no difference whether it was there or not.

I feel completely ripped off and exploited. SHAME ON LESSEMF.COM for exploting vulnerable people with enough problems!!! Anyway just wanted to share and make sure nobody else gets ripped off like I have. as I am overseas as well it woudl cost a fortune to pay the sending back and "restocking" fee. Please spread the word to others to make sure nobody else gets exploited!

cheers

Ho, ho,

not so fast.

There are a few things to consider.

First of all, no gizmo is capable of changing anything to the elektrosmog.
None can do that.
The transversal waves, we can measure and shield, remain quite the same.

However, the accompanying longitudnial waves, which we can not measure, may be absorbed by some gizmo's.
Some do better, some do worse.
If these longitudinal waves are absorbed, you may feel better.

There are other gizmo's, which do nothing to the longitudinal waves, but may improve your damaged immune system.
And when the immune system is repaired (temporarily), you may feel better.

Of course it all depends on your personal condition.

When you are too far gone, only gizmo's which may repair the damaged immune system, can give relief, and the longitudinal wave absorbers cannot do that.
When you are a fair electrosensitive, you can profit from both the gizmo types.

The human body has some vectors which are running in a certain direction.
Some gizmo's can turn these vectors in the wrong direction, or too fast.
One can experience then adverse effects.
Also, the body must get used to the gizmo's; sometimes their working is too strong.
In that case, leave them at a certain distance to the body, in order to get used to them, and then get them closer by time.

A Trifield meter may be nice, but it cannot measure much. It has too much limitations.

One should use its own personal meter, every electrosensitive owns; your own body.
Do not pay attention what other people say.
Listen to your own body, but take your time.
Take your time.
Wait till the adverse health effects are worn out, and then try again.

Be aware that a lot of appliances do emit nasty frequencies, *dirty air*, which even Magda Havas cannot measure.
I measure them between 1 kHz and 30 MHz, and they can be very nasty for electrosensitives.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: electromagneticzoe
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 12:59 PM
  Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products


  Hi everyone,

  Thanks some really useful info here (I have tried ALOT too) I too think avoidance and doing as much as possible eg turning of electricity at the fuse box is the only thing that has helped, along with installing plastic piping to cut the stray current that travels up copper pipes and also reducing personal static eg not wearing fibre that holds static.

  I found my Qlink pendant definitely I find it more helpful on than off. I can feel after a while when I am not wearing it...I have also had it muscle tested for my self by a chiropractor.

  HOWEVER I just wanted to share my experience with many products at LESSEMF. DO NOT DO IT- their products in that realm between pure advertising GIMMICK and cheap dysfunctional junk that are of very poor quality and are not worth paying for as they do very little and you are better off without them. The reality of the actual product as compared to the promising descriptions in their catalogue leaves a lot to be desired. I have written to the company to express my displeasure with the many products I ordered and am waiting to see if there is any response/defence (which I will update you if there is.

  Interestingly I have a trifield meter and the shielding screen bought for my laptop and the shielding alloy for the base of my laptop MADE ABSOLUTELY no difference whether it was there or not.

  I feel completely ripped off and exploited. SHAME ON LESSEMF.COM for exploting vulnerable people with enough problems!!! Anyway just wanted to share and make sure nobody else gets ripped off like I have. as I am overseas as well it woudl cost a fortune to pay the sending back and "restocking" fee. Please spread the word to others to make sure nobody else gets exploited!

  cheers






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Hi, Charles. I was just wondering, could you give an example of longitudinal vs. transversal waves & what are some sources of each? Also, I noticed you speak about absorbing rather than deflecting (shielding). Do you (or anyone else) know which products have been best for absorbing? 
I think I was helped by a rose quartz necklace yesterday, but only a very tiny bit. Maybe there's sthg. that might help more? I consider myself to be EXTREMELY electro-sensitive @ this point, & just in the last 3-4 days, for reasons I can't fathom, I've become waaaay more sensitive to WiFi. The  CNS damage is still continuing, even tho I haven't been near a Smart Meter in months...
-E. Drew

--- On Fri, 6/10/11, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 7:43 AM















 
 



 


   
     
     
      Ho, ho,



not so fast.



There are a few things to consider.



First of all, no gizmo is capable of changing anything to the elektrosmog.

None can do that.

The transversal waves, we can measure and shield, remain quite the same.



However, the accompanying longitudnial waves, which we can not measure, may be absorbed by some gizmo's.

Some do better, some do worse.

If these longitudinal waves are absorbed, you may feel better.



There are other gizmo's, which do nothing to the longitudinal waves, but may improve your damaged immune system.

And when the immune system is repaired (temporarily), you may feel better.



Of course it all depends on your personal condition.



When you are too far gone, only gizmo's which may repair the damaged immune system, can give relief, and the longitudinal wave absorbers cannot do that.

When you are a fair electrosensitive, you can profit from both the gizmo types.



The human body has some vectors which are running in a certain direction.

Some gizmo's can turn these vectors in the wrong direction, or too fast.

One can experience then adverse effects.

Also, the body must get used to the gizmo's; sometimes their working is too strong.

In that case, leave them at a certain distance to the body, in order to get used to them, and then get them closer by time.



A Trifield meter may be nice, but it cannot measure much. It has too much limitations.



One should use its own personal meter, every electrosensitive owns; your own body.

Do not pay attention what other people say.

Listen to your own body, but take your time.

Take your time.

Wait till the adverse health effects are worn out, and then try again.



Be aware that a lot of appliances do emit nasty frequencies, *dirty air*, which even Magda Havas cannot measure.

I measure them between 1 kHz and 30 MHz, and they can be very nasty for electrosensitives.



Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

checked by Norton



----- Original Message -----

  From: electromagneticzoe

  To: [hidden email]

  Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 12:59 PM

  Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products



Hi everyone,



Thanks some really useful info here (I have tried ALOT too) I too think avoidance and doing as much as possible eg turning of electricity at the fuse box is the only thing that has helped, along with installing plastic piping to cut the stray current that travels up copper pipes and also reducing personal static eg not wearing fibre that holds static.



I found my Qlink pendant definitely I find it more helpful on than off. I can feel after a while when I am not wearing it...I have also had it muscle tested for my self by a chiropractor.



HOWEVER I just wanted to share my experience with many products at LESSEMF. DO NOT DO IT- their products in that realm between pure advertising GIMMICK and cheap dysfunctional junk that are of very poor quality and are not worth paying for as they do very little and you are better off without them. The reality of the actual product as compared to the promising descriptions in their catalogue leaves a lot to be desired. I have written to the company to express my displeasure with the many products I ordered and am waiting to see if there is any response/defence (which I will update you if there is.



Interestingly I have a trifield meter and the shielding screen bought for my laptop and the shielding alloy for the base of my laptop MADE ABSOLUTELY no difference whether it was there or not.



I feel completely ripped off and exploited. SHAME ON LESSEMF.COM for exploting vulnerable people with enough problems!!! Anyway just wanted to share and make sure nobody else gets ripped off like I have. as I am overseas as well it woudl cost a fortune to pay the sending back and "restocking" fee. Please spread the word to others to make sure nobody else gets exploited!



cheers



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 Charles wrote;

"Be aware that a lot of appliances do emit nasty frequencies, *dirty air*, which even Magda Havas cannot measure.
I measure them between 1 kHz and 30 MHz, and they can be very nasty for electrosensitives. '

Charles, if you can measure them, why can't Dr. Havas?

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEmergies.com

 




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Hello Shivani,

because I have special detectors with very special antennas, and when I have found spots, I measure them with a special spectrumanalyser, with a differential probe for the electricity, and a special antenna for in the air.

(I am Beta tester for two manufacturors of measuring equipment.)

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton


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   Charles wrote;

  "Be aware that a lot of appliances do emit nasty frequencies, *dirty air*, which even Magda Havas cannot measure.
  I measure them between 1 kHz and 30 MHz, and they can be very nasty for electrosensitives. '

  Charles, if you can measure them, why can't Dr. Havas?

  Shivani Arjuna
  www.LifeEmergies.com

   




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I believe that for sure. The emf & rf are reading low per biologist but I am still getting fried here. Dirty electricity of frequencies that are not measured?!  Loni

--- On Sat, 6/11/11, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, June 11, 2011, 12:09 AM


 



Hello Shivani,

because I have special detectors with very special antennas, and when I have found spots, I measure them with a special spectrumanalyser, with a differential probe for the electricity, and a special antenna for in the air.

(I am Beta tester for two manufacturors of measuring equipment.)

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: [hidden email]
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 4:53 AM
Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products

Charles wrote;

"Be aware that a lot of appliances do emit nasty frequencies, *dirty air*, which even Magda Havas cannot measure.
I measure them between 1 kHz and 30 MHz, and they can be very nasty for electrosensitives. '

Charles, if you can measure them, why can't Dr. Havas?

Shivani Arjuna
www.LifeEmergies.com

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Hi, Elysia,
 
Maybe you are detoxing due to the rose quartz or something else?  Detoxing will always make your ES worse.  Of course, once the detoxing is done and the crap is out of your body, it should help ES.  I love rose quartz, btw.  It helps me sleep when I am wide awake and have no idea how to unwind.
 
Diane

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From: Elysia Drew <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 1:55 PM


 



Hi, Charles. I was just wondering, could you give an example of longitudinal vs. transversal waves & what are some sources of each? Also, I noticed you speak about absorbing rather than deflecting (shielding). Do you (or anyone else) know which products have been best for absorbing? 
I think I was helped by a rose quartz necklace yesterday, but only a very tiny bit. Maybe there's sthg. that might help more? I consider myself to be EXTREMELY electro-sensitive @ this point, & just in the last 3-4 days, for reasons I can't fathom, I've become waaaay more sensitive to WiFi. The  CNS damage is still continuing, even tho I haven't been near a Smart Meter in months...
-E. Drew

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From: charles <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, June 10, 2011, 7:43 AM

 

Ho, ho,

not so fast.

There are a few things to consider.

First of all, no gizmo is capable of changing anything to the elektrosmog.

None can do that.

The transversal waves, we can measure and shield, remain quite the same.

However, the accompanying longitudnial waves, which we can not measure, may be absorbed by some gizmo's.

Some do better, some do worse.

If these longitudinal waves are absorbed, you may feel better.

There are other gizmo's, which do nothing to the longitudinal waves, but may improve your damaged immune system.

And when the immune system is repaired (temporarily), you may feel better.

Of course it all depends on your personal condition.

When you are too far gone, only gizmo's which may repair the damaged immune system, can give relief, and the longitudinal wave absorbers cannot do that.

When you are a fair electrosensitive, you can profit from both the gizmo types.

The human body has some vectors which are running in a certain direction.

Some gizmo's can turn these vectors in the wrong direction, or too fast.

One can experience then adverse effects.

Also, the body must get used to the gizmo's; sometimes their working is too strong.

In that case, leave them at a certain distance to the body, in order to get used to them, and then get them closer by time.

A Trifield meter may be nice, but it cannot measure much. It has too much limitations.

One should use its own personal meter, every electrosensitive owns; your own body.

Do not pay attention what other people say.

Listen to your own body, but take your time.

Take your time.

Wait till the adverse health effects are worn out, and then try again.

Be aware that a lot of appliances do emit nasty frequencies, *dirty air*, which even Magda Havas cannot measure.

I measure them between 1 kHz and 30 MHz, and they can be very nasty for electrosensitives.

Greetings,

Charles Claessens

member Verband Baubiologie

www.milieuziektes.nl

www.milieuziektes.be

www.hetbitje.nl

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From: electromagneticzoe

To: [hidden email]

Sent: Friday, June 10, 2011 12:59 PM

Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products

Hi everyone,

Thanks some really useful info here (I have tried ALOT too) I too think avoidance and doing as much as possible eg turning of electricity at the fuse box is the only thing that has helped, along with installing plastic piping to cut the stray current that travels up copper pipes and also reducing personal static eg not wearing fibre that holds static.

I found my Qlink pendant definitely I find it more helpful on than off. I can feel after a while when I am not wearing it...I have also had it muscle tested for my self by a chiropractor.

HOWEVER I just wanted to share my experience with many products at LESSEMF. DO NOT DO IT- their products in that realm between pure advertising GIMMICK and cheap dysfunctional junk that are of very poor quality and are not worth paying for as they do very little and you are better off without them. The reality of the actual product as compared to the promising descriptions in their catalogue leaves a lot to be desired. I have written to the company to express my displeasure with the many products I ordered and am waiting to see if there is any response/defence (which I will update you if there is.

Interestingly I have a trifield meter and the shielding screen bought for my laptop and the shielding alloy for the base of my laptop MADE ABSOLUTELY no difference whether it was there or not.

I feel completely ripped off and exploited. SHAME ON LESSEMF.COM for exploting vulnerable people with enough problems!!! Anyway just wanted to share and make sure nobody else gets ripped off like I have. as I am overseas as well it woudl cost a fortune to pay the sending back and "restocking" fee. Please spread the word to others to make sure nobody else gets exploited!

cheers

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Hi,
I've also tried several devices, including Earthcalm. I wore their "Traditional Scalar Resonator" for a year or so. Since it did not give any tangible result, I teared it and opened it. Inside, there was no such thing as copper circuits as they claim. I only found a couple of small plastic pearls (the kind of pearls kids play with). That is what I call a scam.
Since then, I have turned away from these commercial devices and search solutions to EMF from within: meditation, Qi Gong, work on emotions... I feel better, though I am still sensitive to EMF, but keep on working!
Best to to you all,
Azatyk


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> I've also tried several devices, including Earthcalm. I wore their
> "Traditional Scalar Resonator" for a year or so. Since it did not
> give any tangible result, I teared it and opened it. Inside,
> there was no such thing as copper circuits as they claim.
> I only found a couple of small plastic pearls (the kind of pearls
> kids play with). That is what I call a scam.

Well, I know several people (including myself) who felt something
tangible from the Earthcalm stuff.  Just because you don't
understand what's inside them doesn't make it a scam.

That said, I never personally found the Earthcalm stuff very
useful for what I wanted it to be useful for -- increasing
my tolerance to computers, florescent lights, etc.  I think
it helped that only about 10%, but I already had other
devices that helped me more than that.

Marc

Hi,
My in put.
Many of these "products" that are supposed to help..may actually MASK the symptoms.
Not all of them, but certainly many of them. So could be, that those who feel "a difference" in  the
beginning, and then start to feel they aren't working; their symptoms are actuallly getting worse-
instead of it being the case where the product is no longer working. Think about it. A marketing spin
makes the product "sound" like it is blocking the field, or "harmonizing" the field...so people feel a
positive difference. What may be really happening, is the product is masking/hiding the effects,
to the point where because the wearer isn't feeling them, they end up spending more time in
these dangerous fields, actually raising their exposure...which ends up making that person even
more sensitive.  As the symptoms are being hidden, the signs that the body was giving  to
tell us "hey, this is bad, this field/these fields are hurting the body" are being masked. So because
there is an absence of the symptoms, but the dangerous field is still there..this can be a very
dangerous experiment.
 I agree with Marc. Many of these products are a scam. It reminds me of the fast so called
"fixes" that regular medicne promises with their "pills". These co's know that most people
today are looking for a quick fix...an easy fix. Look at the commercials..."just take a pill"
and this will fix it. (NOT). The alternative junk scam market uses the same spin. Just
wear this magic whatever it is, and this will protect you. (NOT)
Avoidance, shielded clothing, nutrition, supporting both thyroid and adrenals, and high
quality anti-oxidants (Tumeric capsules/ Astaxanthin-read on both at Mercola.com) Magnesium
Chloride OIl (google Mark Sircus), Iodine- there are Iodine receptors in all organs of the body, (google:
David Brownstein)
Baking Soda (again, see Mark Sircus- Sodium Bicarbonate- this helps to alkalize the body* radiation
will make the body ACIDIC), and for those willing to do the extra research: Magnet Therapy and
Accupressure Therapy, both can be learned and done at home, and this is valuable because these
dangerous fields throw the body's electrical system OFF...so the above two therapies help to restore
the body to its correct polarity.
Lizzie
 



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From: [hidden email]
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:46:47 +0000
Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products


 



Hi,
I've also tried several devices, including Earthcalm. I wore their "Traditional Scalar Resonator" for a year or so. Since it did not give any tangible result, I teared it and opened it. Inside, there was no such thing as copper circuits as they claim. I only found a couple of small plastic pearls (the kind of pearls kids play with). That is what I call a scam.
Since then, I have turned away from these commercial devices and search solutions to EMF from within: meditation, Qi Gong, work on emotions... I feel better, though I am still sensitive to EMF, but keep on working!
Best to to you all,
Azatyk

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>  I agree with Marc.   Many of these products are a scam.

Uhh, I never said that many of these products are a scam.

However, from our experiences here, many of these products
are not helpful to people with electrical sensitivity.

However, I have certainly found a few that are indeed helpful.
As for the question of whether these are actually "healthy"
(improving health vs. masking symptoms), that is a more
difficult question.  I know that some of these devices relieve
my allergy symptoms, chemical sensitivities, and help me
overcome colds and flus, so I see these as "healthy"
products.

Marc

My apologies...I stand corrected.
But "I" still believe that many products do mask the symptoms.
Allergies are always a symptom of stressed adrenals.
Curious...what happens to the allergies when you
don't use/wear the product? Because if there's any
healing going on, the symptoms should lessen after awhile
without wearing/using the product. But
if said product is only blocking, then the problem
is still there. And that is why there is a potential
for danger in this area. The danger lies in covering up
the bodys natural response to stress..which the adrenals
are the body's built in stress busters.
Lizzie
 



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From: [hidden email]
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 09:22:01 -0700
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products


 



> I agree with Marc. Many of these products are a scam.

Uhh, I never said that many of these products are a scam.

However, from our experiences here, many of these products
are not helpful to people with electrical sensitivity.

However, I have certainly found a few that are indeed helpful.
As for the question of whether these are actually "healthy"
(improving health vs. masking symptoms), that is a more
difficult question. I know that some of these devices relieve
my allergy symptoms, chemical sensitivities, and help me
overcome colds and flus, so I see these as "healthy"
products.

Marc




     

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