EMF shileding products

No, that is not the way it is.

There are quite different *gizmo's* on the market.

A lot of them are just rubbish, with a lot of gibberish talk about quantum technology.
(There are perhaps a handful persons in the world who do know about quantum technology.)

Most gizmo's don't change anything to the transversal waves. That can be checked with any meter easily.
So harmonizing, neutralizing, changing into good, is utterly nonsense and pure lies.

There are gizmo's who can absorb longitudinal waves. That way you may feel better.

There are gizmo's who do nothing about longitudinal waves, but can improve your immune system. That way, you feel better.

So, in my opinion, it is best to use both last two mentioned.

Be also aware, that you may carry a lot of parasites, worms, virusses and bacteria.
Here frequency therapy (Rife/Clark) is the best way to battle.
And when you have beaten one, the next one is attacking you. And so forth.

Electrosensitives should stay far away from magnet therapy.
Accupressure Therapy on the other hand is very good.
See:
http://www.mcreflexology.com/tools/tool_package.html Tool Package set R-16H.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Elizabeth thode
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:48 PM
  Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products



  Hi,
  My in put.
  Many of these "products" that are supposed to help..may actually MASK the symptoms.
  Not all of them, but certainly many of them. So could be, that those who feel "a difference" in  the
  beginning, and then start to feel they aren't working; their symptoms are actuallly getting worse-
  instead of it being the case where the product is no longer working. Think about it. A marketing spin
  makes the product "sound" like it is blocking the field, or "harmonizing" the field...so people feel a
  positive difference. What may be really happening, is the product is masking/hiding the effects,
  to the point where because the wearer isn't feeling them, they end up spending more time in
  these dangerous fields, actually raising their exposure...which ends up making that person even
  more sensitive.  As the symptoms are being hidden, the signs that the body was giving  to
  tell us "hey, this is bad, this field/these fields are hurting the body" are being masked. So because
  there is an absence of the symptoms, but the dangerous field is still there..this can be a very
  dangerous experiment.
   I agree with Marc. Many of these products are a scam. It reminds me of the fast so called
  "fixes" that regular medicne promises with their "pills". These co's know that most people
  today are looking for a quick fix...an easy fix. Look at the commercials..."just take a pill"
  and this will fix it. (NOT). The alternative junk scam market uses the same spin. Just
  wear this magic whatever it is, and this will protect you. (NOT)
  Avoidance, shielded clothing, nutrition, supporting both thyroid and adrenals, and high
  quality anti-oxidants (Tumeric capsules/ Astaxanthin-read on both at Mercola.com) Magnesium
  Chloride OIl (google Mark Sircus), Iodine- there are Iodine receptors in all organs of the body, (google:
  David Brownstein)
  Baking Soda (again, see Mark Sircus- Sodium Bicarbonate- this helps to alkalize the body* radiation
  will make the body ACIDIC), and for those willing to do the extra research: Magnet Therapy and
  Accupressure Therapy, both can be learned and done at home, and this is valuable because these
  dangerous fields throw the body's electrical system OFF...so the above two therapies help to restore
  the body to its correct polarity.
  Lizzie
   



  To: [hidden email]
  From: [hidden email]
  Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:46:47 +0000
  Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products


   



  Hi,
  I've also tried several devices, including Earthcalm. I wore their "Traditional Scalar Resonator" for a year or so. Since it did not give any tangible result, I teared it and opened it. Inside, there was no such thing as copper circuits as they claim. I only found a couple of small plastic pearls (the kind of pearls kids play with). That is what I call a scam.
  Since then, I have turned away from these commercial devices and search solutions to EMF from within: meditation, Qi Gong, work on emotions... I feel better, though I am still sensitive to EMF, but keep on working!
  Best to to you all,
  Azatyk

  --- In [hidden email], "chelseapaul1010" <pbarnes@...> wrote:
  >
  > Hi Zoe,
  >
  > I've tried almost everything there is to try, Qlink, Earthcalm etc. All those type of gizmo's did nothing, including the Quantum products...which i sent back to get a refund. I'm pretty badly sensitive and feel almost everything, but I have found a couple of things help...a bit.
  >
  > Bought the silverell hoodie from lessEMF, that helps when I'm sitting at home reading (obviously not watching tele!). With the hood up, my ears dont buzz as much and I feel a bit calmer.
  >
  > Recently, I have started taking Astragalus root food supplement which seems to help a little bit too...but it is early days. I've also got the bed canopy made of Naturell and sleep with the power turned off...this gives me a bit of sanctury at night.
  >
  > Hope this helps, if you want to message me personally feel free.
  >
  > Paul
  >
  > --- In [hidden email], "electromagneticzoe" <mscherrylane@> wrote:
  > >
  > > Hi,
  > >
  > > I'm just wondering if anybody has bought any products that they can say from their experience without a doubt actually work. I just received several hundred dollars worth of products from lessemf and on the whole I'm pretty disappointed- I can't be sure if they really even work...and I'm even measuring with a trifield meter...possibly I expected too much? I think the best solution is still avoidance!
  > >
  > > I would like to know if anybody has any tried and tested products they found have helped and would HIGHLY recommend. I am particularly interested to know if anybody has tried energetic protection devices like earthcalm? I personally have had for the last few years the qlink pendant and ally but my sensitivity has gotten to the point that it seems to no longer be that helpful.
  > >
  > > any feedback appreciated.
  > >
  > > cheers,
  > > zoe
  > >
  >




         

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Thank you Charles.
Unfortunately, many ES folks don't have the equipment you have...to be able
to decipher which exact technical combination of:  fields/energies/ect set us off...so the translation ends
up being: wifi bothers some, towers set others off, certain appliances bother some, electrical fields bother
some, magnetic flields bother others, etc.
 
Maybe you could enlighten us on the sources of "longitudinal waves"?
For example, are these waves put out by wireless? Or electrical appliances?
Or bad wiring? Or ???
And perhaps you could share with us,  "which" gadgets that in your view  
 help to improve the immune system, and how they work?
 
I can see where this information just might be very helpful to many people.
 
As to accupressure, there is a book that is based on pressure point therapy
that is vey similiar to accupressure, only it requires no tools. This is especially
useful for those with limited budgets. You use your fingers in this technique.
The book is called: "Healing with Pressure Point Therapy" by Jack Forem &
Steve Shimer.(amazon.com) It's not hard to learn, the book is easy to read,
and you can do these techniques anywhere.
Lizzie

 



To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 18:37:16 +0200
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products


 



No, that is not the way it is.

There are quite different *gizmo's* on the market.

A lot of them are just rubbish, with a lot of gibberish talk about quantum technology.
(There are perhaps a handful persons in the world who do know about quantum technology.)

Most gizmo's don't change anything to the transversal waves. That can be checked with any meter easily.
So harmonizing, neutralizing, changing into good, is utterly nonsense and pure lies.

There are gizmo's who can absorb longitudinal waves. That way you may feel better.

There are gizmo's who do nothing about longitudinal waves, but can improve your immune system. That way, you feel better.

So, in my opinion, it is best to use both last two mentioned.

Be also aware, that you may carry a lot of parasites, worms, virusses and bacteria.
Here frequency therapy (Rife/Clark) is the best way to battle.
And when you have beaten one, the next one is attacking you. And so forth.

Electrosensitives should stay far away from magnet therapy.
Accupressure Therapy on the other hand is very good.
See:
http://www.mcreflexology.com/tools/tool_package.html Tool Package set R-16H.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
member Verband Baubiologie
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Norton

----- Original Message -----
From: Elizabeth thode
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Monday, August 15, 2011 5:48 PM
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products

Hi,
My in put.
Many of these "products" that are supposed to help..may actually MASK the symptoms.
Not all of them, but certainly many of them. So could be, that those who feel "a difference" in the
beginning, and then start to feel they aren't working; their symptoms are actuallly getting worse-
instead of it being the case where the product is no longer working. Think about it. A marketing spin
makes the product "sound" like it is blocking the field, or "harmonizing" the field...so people feel a
positive difference. What may be really happening, is the product is masking/hiding the effects,
to the point where because the wearer isn't feeling them, they end up spending more time in
these dangerous fields, actually raising their exposure...which ends up making that person even
more sensitive. As the symptoms are being hidden, the signs that the body was giving to
tell us "hey, this is bad, this field/these fields are hurting the body" are being masked. So because
there is an absence of the symptoms, but the dangerous field is still there..this can be a very
dangerous experiment.
I agree with Marc. Many of these products are a scam. It reminds me of the fast so called
"fixes" that regular medicne promises with their "pills". These co's know that most people
today are looking for a quick fix...an easy fix. Look at the commercials..."just take a pill"
and this will fix it. (NOT). The alternative junk scam market uses the same spin. Just
wear this magic whatever it is, and this will protect you. (NOT)
Avoidance, shielded clothing, nutrition, supporting both thyroid and adrenals, and high
quality anti-oxidants (Tumeric capsules/ Astaxanthin-read on both at Mercola.com) Magnesium
Chloride OIl (google Mark Sircus), Iodine- there are Iodine receptors in all organs of the body, (google:
David Brownstein)
Baking Soda (again, see Mark Sircus- Sodium Bicarbonate- this helps to alkalize the body* radiation
will make the body ACIDIC), and for those willing to do the extra research: Magnet Therapy and
Accupressure Therapy, both can be learned and done at home, and this is valuable because these
dangerous fields throw the body's electrical system OFF...so the above two therapies help to restore
the body to its correct polarity.
Lizzie


To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2011 12:46:47 +0000
Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products

Hi,
I've also tried several devices, including Earthcalm. I wore their "Traditional Scalar Resonator" for a year or so. Since it did not give any tangible result, I teared it and opened it. Inside, there was no such thing as copper circuits as they claim. I only found a couple of small plastic pearls (the kind of pearls kids play with). That is what I call a scam.
Since then, I have turned away from these commercial devices and search solutions to EMF from within: meditation, Qi Gong, work on emotions... I feel better, though I am still sensitive to EMF, but keep on working!
Best to to you all,
Azatyk

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Hi,
as a medical doctor, researcher of electrosmog since 2001 and also  
developer of one of these "products" I have to comment this idea that these  
products are only masking the symptoms. This puts a very  dangerous idea in to the
heads of the people and a wrong one. Just look into  some experiments i did.
 
If you irradiate normal tap water with a mobile phone, in  
electroacupuncture this water tests then quite negative. If you repeat this with  a mobile
phone where one of this products is attached, the water remains the  same as
before. Where is the masking? How can the water be masked?
 
If with this water you grow wheat germs, with the normal irradiated water  
you will find a retarded growth, with the protected water you will find
normal  growth as with the original water. Where is the masking?
 
If you take a strong antioxydant like mega-H fo Flanagen, this may reduce  
the symptoms of ES by reducing the radicals produced by RF, but the damage
is  still there. This may be called masking.
 
If you use metallic shielding, that does still allow the longitudinal  
waves, responsible for the health hazard, to penetrate But their character in  
electroacupuncture is turned positve, which is a strange phenomenon. So
people  feel a relief, but very often the do not feel comfortable with this after
some  time. This is because these longitudinal waves still transport the
low frequency  modulation, which is the actual harmful factor. This is masking.
 
About the idea, that many of these product are scam i only can say, i have  
only in very rare cases tested products that did not show an effect.
Somethimes  the effect was only 30%. And because electrosensitive people have a
strong  resonance to these longitudinal waves, stronger than normal people,
their  resonance is often stronger than that of these products, and then they
are not  helped and say the product is scam. I could help quite a few
people, that did  not benefit with my general product, with a specificly designed
product  with a much stronger resonance. You can see this also in the
postings in this  list about various products and various editions of the same
company.
 
dietrich
 
n einer eMail vom 15.08.2011 18:18:23 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt  
[hidden email]:

Many  of these "products" that are supposed to help..may actually MASK the
symptoms.  
Not all of them, but certainly many of them. So could be, that those who  
feel "a difference" in the
beginning, and then start to feel they aren't  working; their symptoms are
actuallly getting worse-
instead of it being  the case where the product is no longer working. Think
about it. A marketing  spin
makes the product "sound" like it is blocking the field, or  "harmonizing"
the field...so people feel a
positive difference. What may  be really happening, is the product is
masking/hiding the effects,
to the  point where because the wearer isn't feeling them, they end up
spending more  time in
these dangerous fields, actually raising their exposure...which  ends up
making that person even
more sensitive. As the symptoms are being  hidden, the signs that the body
was giving to
tell us "hey, this is bad,  this field/these fields are hurting the body"
are being masked. So  because
there is an absence of the symptoms, but the dangerous field is  still
there..this can be a very
dangerous experiment.
I agree with  Marc. Many of these products are a scam. It reminds me of the
fast so  called
"fixes" that regular medicne promises with their "pills". These co's  know
that most people
today are looking for a quick fix...an easy fix. Look  at the
commercials..."just take a pill"
and this will fix it. (NOT). The  alternative junk scam market uses the
same spin. Just
wear this magic  whatever it is, and this will protect you. (NOT)





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Hi,
I can appreciate what you just stated.
And I would be very interested to know what kind of products you make, and how they work.
I will also say that there are a ton  of products being sold here, in the US, and
though it is just the tip of the iceberg, as far as scams go-  one of the products own manufacturers,
a well known scientist mind you, who headed the Motorolla cell phone study, back in the late 90's-
admitted in a public statement, that products he endorsed, the BioPro stickers-
  which were supposed to block radiation from cell phones,  
didn't work. From the horse's own mouth, came this admission, mind you. Thousands of
people bought that product believing they had protection from cell phone radiation-
only to find out years later, that the product really DIDN"T work.
That is only one example. I didn't say "ALL" products are a scam, but quite simply,
I will say this, with all due respect: "If there are products out there that DO WORK,
that block the longtitudinal waves, and other emf's...." there's over ten million people
and that's probably a very low estimate, that I'm  fairly certain would LOVE to find
a product that would help protect them from these nasty life draining, life sucking
energies. I welcome you to share whatever information you have.....
 
As for masking the symptoms...I stand by what I said.
And as a medical doctor, it would seem to me, that you, of all people,
would understand how dangerous the masking of symptoms would be.
In all fairness, I have noticed the research is much better in other
countries, having started much earlier, then in the US.
So with this said, if you have a product that blocks wireless radiation, or
dirty electricity, or high electric fields, whatever frequencies..
please post your co's information so I can see this information.
Thank You.
Lizzie
 
 
 

 




To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:35:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products


 



Hi Dietrich,
as a medical doctor, researcher of electrosmog since 2001 and also
developer of one of these "products" I have to comment this idea that these
products are only masking the symptoms. This puts a very dangerous idea in to the
heads of the people and a wrong one. Just look into some experiments i did.

If you irradiate normal tap water with a mobile phone, in
electroacupuncture this water tests then quite negative. If you repeat this with a mobile
phone where one of this products is attached, the water remains the same as
before. Where is the masking? How can the water be masked?

If with this water you grow wheat germs, with the normal irradiated water
you will find a retarded growth, with the protected water you will find
normal growth as with the original water. Where is the masking?

If you take a strong antioxydant like mega-H fo Flanagen, this may reduce
the symptoms of ES by reducing the radicals produced by RF, but the damage
is still there. This may be called masking.

If you use metallic shielding, that does still allow the longitudinal
waves, responsible for the health hazard, to penetrate But their character in
electroacupuncture is turned positve, which is a strange phenomenon. So
people feel a relief, but very often the do not feel comfortable with this after
some time. This is because these longitudinal waves still transport the
low frequency modulation, which is the actual harmful factor. This is masking.

About the idea, that many of these product are scam i only can say, i have
only in very rare cases tested products that did not show an effect.
Somethimes the effect was only 30%. And because electrosensitive people have a
strong resonance to these longitudinal waves, stronger than normal people,
their resonance is often stronger than that of these products, and then they
are not helped and say the product is scam. I could help quite a few
people, that did not benefit with my general product, with a specificly designed
product with a much stronger resonance. You can see this also in the
postings in this list about various products and various editions of the same
company.

dietrich

n einer eMail vom 15.08.2011 18:18:23 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt
[hidden email]:

Many of these "products" that are supposed to help..may actually MASK the
symptoms.
Not all of them, but certainly many of them. So could be, that those who
feel "a difference" in the
beginning, and then start to feel they aren't working; their symptoms are
actuallly getting worse-
instead of it being the case where the product is no longer working. Think
about it. A marketing spin
makes the product "sound" like it is blocking the field, or "harmonizing"
the field...so people feel a
positive difference. What may be really happening, is the product is
masking/hiding the effects,
to the point where because the wearer isn't feeling them, they end up
spending more time in
these dangerous fields, actually raising their exposure...which ends up
making that person even
more sensitive. As the symptoms are being hidden, the signs that the body
was giving to
tell us "hey, this is bad, this field/these fields are hurting the body"
are being masked. So because
there is an absence of the symptoms, but the dangerous field is still
there..this can be a very
dangerous experiment.
I agree with Marc. Many of these products are a scam. It reminds me of the
fast so called
"fixes" that regular medicne promises with their "pills". These co's know
that most people
today are looking for a quick fix...an easy fix. Look at the
commercials..."just take a pill"
and this will fix it. (NOT). The alternative junk scam market uses the
same spin. Just
wear this magic whatever it is, and this will protect you. (NOT)

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I would echo what Lizzie says in her post. I would be very very interested to
know about any product Dr Gruen  might have - which might be of more benefit in
combatting ES. I have been wearing a bioprotect card for about 2 years; however
even while wearing it I sometimes experience very strong sensations of pulsing
and vibrating electric fields which are very worrying and distressing to know
that my body is being subjected to in my own home. Maybe I am deluding myself,
but at those times, which can last for maybe 5-7 days at a stretch (and there
have been about 4 of those so far this year) I tell myself to try to disregard
them and not think about them and remind myself that I am wearing my bioprotect
card which must be helping my body even if I am conscious that I am experiencing
these sensations. So my question is this - am I deluding myself?? if I am
experiencing what I have described, even though I constantly wear the Bioprotect
card, does this mean that it isn't offering me any protection? I would very much
welcome an answer to this specific question since if the Bioprotect card isn't
helping me, and I am still being left exposed,  then I should be looking for
something else which  might be a better product.

Thanks

Steph




________________________________
From: Elizabeth thode <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Fri, 19 August, 2011 4:40:13
Subject: RE: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products


Hi,
I can appreciate what you just stated.
And I would be very interested to know what kind of products you make, and how
they work.
I will also say that there are a ton  of products being sold here, in the US,
and

though it is just the tip of the iceberg, as far as scams go-  one of the
products own manufacturers,

a well known scientist mind you, who headed the Motorolla cell phone study, back
in the late 90's-
admitted in a public statement, that products he endorsed, the BioPro stickers-
  which were supposed to block radiation from cell phones, 
didn't work. From the horse's own mouth, came this admission, mind you.
Thousands of

people bought that product believing they had protection from cell phone
radiation-
only to find out years later, that the product really DIDN"T work.
That is only one example. I didn't say "ALL" products are a scam, but quite
simply,

I will say this, with all due respect: "If there are products out there that DO
WORK,
that block the longtitudinal waves, and other emf's...." there's over ten
million people
and that's probably a very low estimate, that I'm  fairly certain would LOVE to
find
a product that would help protect them from these nasty life draining, life
sucking
energies. I welcome you to share whatever information you have.....

As for masking the symptoms...I stand by what I said.
And as a medical doctor, it would seem to me, that you, of all people,
would understand how dangerous the masking of symptoms would be.
In all fairness, I have noticed the research is much better in other
countries, having started much earlier, then in the US.
So with this said, if you have a product that blocks wireless radiation, or
dirty electricity, or high electric fields, whatever frequencies..
please post your co's information so I can see this information.
Thank You.
Lizzie









To: [hidden email]
From: [hidden email]
Date: Thu, 18 Aug 2011 17:35:46 -0400
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products


 



Hi Dietrich,
as a medical doctor, researcher of electrosmog since 2001 and also
developer of one of these "products" I have to comment this idea that these
products are only masking the symptoms. This puts a very dangerous idea in to
the

heads of the people and a wrong one. Just look into some experiments i did.

If you irradiate normal tap water with a mobile phone, in
electroacupuncture this water tests then quite negative. If you repeat this with
a mobile

phone where one of this products is attached, the water remains the same as
before. Where is the masking? How can the water be masked?

If with this water you grow wheat germs, with the normal irradiated water
you will find a retarded growth, with the protected water you will find
normal growth as with the original water. Where is the masking?

If you take a strong antioxydant like mega-H fo Flanagen, this may reduce
the symptoms of ES by reducing the radicals produced by RF, but the damage
is still there. This may be called masking.

If you use metallic shielding, that does still allow the longitudinal
waves, responsible for the health hazard, to penetrate But their character in
electroacupuncture is turned positve, which is a strange phenomenon. So
people feel a relief, but very often the do not feel comfortable with this after

some time. This is because these longitudinal waves still transport the
low frequency modulation, which is the actual harmful factor. This is masking.

About the idea, that many of these product are scam i only can say, i have
only in very rare cases tested products that did not show an effect.
Somethimes the effect was only 30%. And because electrosensitive people have a
strong resonance to these longitudinal waves, stronger than normal people,
their resonance is often stronger than that of these products, and then they
are not helped and say the product is scam. I could help quite a few
people, that did not benefit with my general product, with a specificly designed

product with a much stronger resonance. You can see this also in the
postings in this list about various products and various editions of the same
company.

dietrich

n einer eMail vom 15.08.2011 18:18:23 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt
[hidden email]:

Many of these "products" that are supposed to help..may actually MASK the
symptoms.
Not all of them, but certainly many of them. So could be, that those who
feel "a difference" in the
beginning, and then start to feel they aren't working; their symptoms are
actuallly getting worse-
instead of it being the case where the product is no longer working. Think
about it. A marketing spin
makes the product "sound" like it is blocking the field, or "harmonizing"
the field...so people feel a
positive difference. What may be really happening, is the product is
masking/hiding the effects,
to the point where because the wearer isn't feeling them, they end up
spending more time in
these dangerous fields, actually raising their exposure...which ends up
making that person even
more sensitive. As the symptoms are being hidden, the signs that the body
was giving to
tell us "hey, this is bad, this field/these fields are hurting the body"
are being masked. So because
there is an absence of the symptoms, but the dangerous field is still
there..this can be a very
dangerous experiment.
I agree with Marc. Many of these products are a scam. It reminds me of the
fast so called
"fixes" that regular medicne promises with their "pills". These co's know
that most people
today are looking for a quick fix...an easy fix. Look at the
commercials..."just take a pill"
and this will fix it. (NOT). The alternative junk scam market uses the
same spin. Just
wear this magic whatever it is, and this will protect you. (NOT)

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> I would echo what Lizzie says in her post. I would be very very interested to
> know about any product Dr Gruen  might have - which might be of more benefit in
> combatting ES. I have been wearing a bioprotect card for about 2 years

Well, his product *is* the BioProtect card!  If you want to learn more
about it, I'd suggest reading this web page:

http://golden-ray.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=14

Marc

> I would very much
> welcome an answer to this specific question since if the Bioprotect card isn't
> helping me, and I am still being left exposed,  then I should be looking for
> something else which  might be a better product.

We all have our own unique sensitivities, and some people simply don't feel
better using a BioProtect card.  I've got one, but I never use it
because I've never noticed feeling any better with it.  Meanwhile, there
are other products that I *do* notice feeling better with, so I of course
use those!

Marc

> Thousands of
> people bought that product believing they had protection from cell phone radiation-
> only to find out years later, that the product really DIDN"T work.

Presumably the scenario with an electrically sensitive person is
different:

  1) ES person buys a BioPro product (or whatever)
  2) After a week of using it, notices no difference in their
     health or sensitivities
  3) Concludes it does not work for them, and returns it

This group has been active for many years, and I cannot remember
*anyone* ever saying that a BioPro product helped their ES...

Marc

 
Hi,
concerniing longitudinal waves, Charles has this knowlede first got from  
me. Longitudinal waves are always present where you can measure any  
electromagnetic fields. They are like the other side of the coin. In my research  I
first thought absorbing them through these gizmos. Later I discovered that  
there are gizmos on the market that change the biological effect of RF even
into  some positive from negative instead of just neutralising the harmful
effect.  This is only possible if the longitudinal waves are still present.
 
And this phenomenon, that RF can transmit biological effective information  
through the inherent longitudinal waves since long has been used in  
alternative medicine for therapy. So far the inventors did hesitate to state  that
they use longitudinal waves, because in ordinary phýsics they are thought  
not to exist. No one wants to be ridiculed using something that is supposed
not  to exist. No one wants to get into legal problems because of this.
 
As soon as you know how to alter the biologically effective information  
,carried by the longitudinal waves, through some process of resonance, you  
basically have the key to effectively approach the problem of electromagnetic  
pollution.
 
 
dietrich
 
In einer eMail vom 15.08.2011 19:02:28 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt  
[hidden email]:

Thank  you Charles.
Unfortunately, many ES folks don't have the equipment you  have...to be able
to decipher which exact technical combination of:  fields/energies/ect set
us off...so the translation ends
up being: wifi  bothers some, towers set others off, certain appliances
bother some,  electrical fields bother
some, magnetic flields bother others, etc.  

Maybe you could enlighten us on the sources of "longitudinal  waves"?
For example, are these waves put out by wireless? Or electrical  
appliances?
Or bad wiring? Or ???
And perhaps you could share with us,  "which" gadgets that in your view
help to improve the immune system, and  how they work?

I can see where this information just might be very  helpful to many people.

As to accupressure, there is a book that is  based on pressure point therapy
that is vey similiar to accupressure, only  it requires no tools. This is
especially
useful for those with limited  budgets. You use your fingers in this
technique.
The book is called:  "Healing with Pressure Point Therapy" by Jack Forem &
Steve  Shimer.(amazon.com) It's not hard to learn, the book is easy to
read,
and  you can do these techniques anywhere.  
Lizzie






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There are many of us with different level of sensitivities.
If a person had worse symptoms from a  hat or other shedding
coated cloth , would that mean the person is sensitive to longitude waves?


The hat helps me concentrate, but at the same time causes more jittery feelings,
if that makes sense? I couldn't' handle a faraday cage. Caused tingling feelings
that went into burning & nausea. But I used it when we had all 3 amr meters.

I need help to lessen the effects. I can hardly stand being in a store, with their
cfl's. 

Kathy 
[hidden email]



From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, August 19, 2011, 6:01 PM















 
 



 


   
     
     
       

Hi,

concerniing longitudinal waves, Charles has this knowlede first got from  

me. Longitudinal waves are always present where you can measure any  

electromagnetic fields. They are like the other side of the coin. In my research  I

first thought absorbing them through these gizmos. Later I discovered that  

there are gizmos on the market that change the biological effect of RF even

into  some positive from negative instead of just neutralising the harmful

effect.  This is only possible if the longitudinal waves are still present.

 

And this phenomenon, that RF can transmit biological effective information  

through the inherent longitudinal waves since long has been used in  

alternative medicine for therapy. So far the inventors did hesitate to state  that

they use longitudinal waves, because in ordinary phýsics they are thought  

not to exist. No one wants to be ridiculed using something that is supposed

not  to exist. No one wants to get into legal problems because of this.

 

As soon as you know how to alter the biologically effective information  

,carried by the longitudinal waves, through some process of resonance, you  

basically have the key to effectively approach the problem of electromagnetic  

pollution.

 

 

dietrich

 

In einer eMail vom 15.08.2011 19:02:28 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt  

[hidden email]:



Thank  you Charles.

Unfortunately, many ES folks don't have the equipment you  have...to be able

to decipher which exact technical combination of:  fields/energies/ect set

us off...so the translation ends

up being: wifi  bothers some, towers set others off, certain appliances

bother some,  electrical fields bother

some, magnetic flields bother others, etc.  



Maybe you could enlighten us on the sources of "longitudinal  waves"?

For example, are these waves put out by wireless? Or electrical  

appliances?

Or bad wiring? Or ???

And perhaps you could share with us,  "which" gadgets that in your view

help to improve the immune system, and  how they work?



I can see where this information just might be very  helpful to many people.



As to accupressure, there is a book that is  based on pressure point therapy

that is vey similiar to accupressure, only  it requires no tools. This is

especially

useful for those with limited  budgets. You use your fingers in this

technique.

The book is called:  "Healing with Pressure Point Therapy" by Jack Forem &

Steve  Shimer.(amazon.com) It's not hard to learn, the book is easy to

read,

and  you can do these techniques anywhere.  

Lizzie



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Oddly enough, I had read this page as research before I purchased the Bioprotect
card, so I know what his product is :) 

 however, he referred to other products and I wanted to find out more about
these




________________________________
From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Fri, 19 August, 2011 15:13:45
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products

 
> I would echo what Lizzie says in her post. I would be very very interested to
> know about any product Dr Gruen  might have - which might be of more benefit in
>
> combatting ES. I have been wearing a bioprotect card for about 2 years

Well, his product *is* the BioProtect card! If you want to learn more
about it, I'd suggest reading this web page:

http://golden-ray.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=14

Marc



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Some years ago when my ES was worse, I bought some shielding cloth with the idea I could make it in to a hat. Anyhow, I picked it up, folded it in to a triangle, flipped it in the air preparing to try it out as a headscarf and it hit me almost like a bolt of lightning.

I didn't want to be within feet of the wallpaper.

the supplier didn't have answers, except that he'd seen it happen to a friend.

Can't recall which organisation I contacted next but they suggested that I had more aberrant electrical activity inside of me than without???

Jacqueline

--- In [hidden email], KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:

Hi, Dietrich,

I noted that the website Marc sent on regarding your BioProtect card said that electro-sensitives should get metals out of their bodies before wearing your card, or they might react worse with it on.  In my case, (and Marc's, and many others), this is not an easy thing to do!  So I am guessing this is why your card has not worked for some of us. 

However, would your card still work for us to use off our bodies, at the incoming electric panel box, for instance?  Does anybody on the forum know this, or has anyone tried it???  Just curious. 

Thanks very much, Dietrich,
Diane

--- On Fri, 8/19/11, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, August 19, 2011, 7:01 PM















 
 



 


   
     
     
       

Hi,

concerniing longitudinal waves, Charles has this knowlede first got from  

me. Longitudinal waves are always present where you can measure any  

electromagnetic fields. They are like the other side of the coin. In my research  I

first thought absorbing them through these gizmos. Later I discovered that  

there are gizmos on the market that change the biological effect of RF even

into  some positive from negative instead of just neutralising the harmful

effect.  This is only possible if the longitudinal waves are still present.

 

And this phenomenon, that RF can transmit biological effective information  

through the inherent longitudinal waves since long has been used in  

alternative medicine for therapy. So far the inventors did hesitate to state  that

they use longitudinal waves, because in ordinary phýsics they are thought  

not to exist. No one wants to be ridiculed using something that is supposed

not  to exist. No one wants to get into legal problems because of this.

 

As soon as you know how to alter the biologically effective information  

,carried by the longitudinal waves, through some process of resonance, you  

basically have the key to effectively approach the problem of electromagnetic  

pollution.

 

 

dietrich

 

In einer eMail vom 15.08.2011 19:02:28 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt  

[hidden email]:



Thank  you Charles.

Unfortunately, many ES folks don't have the equipment you  have...to be able

to decipher which exact technical combination of:  fields/energies/ect set

us off...so the translation ends

up being: wifi  bothers some, towers set others off, certain appliances

bother some,  electrical fields bother

some, magnetic flields bother others, etc.  



Maybe you could enlighten us on the sources of "longitudinal  waves"?

For example, are these waves put out by wireless? Or electrical  

appliances?

Or bad wiring? Or ???

And perhaps you could share with us,  "which" gadgets that in your view

help to improve the immune system, and  how they work?



I can see where this information just might be very  helpful to many people.



As to accupressure, there is a book that is  based on pressure point therapy

that is vey similiar to accupressure, only  it requires no tools. This is

especially

useful for those with limited  budgets. You use your fingers in this

technique.

The book is called:  "Healing with Pressure Point Therapy" by Jack Forem &

Steve  Shimer.(amazon.com) It's not hard to learn, the book is easy to

read,

and  you can do these techniques anywhere.  

Lizzie



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Hi, Jacqueline,

Do you also stop watches?  I am a watch stopper, myself.  I thought I recognised you!  lol
(your symptoms, that is.  ;)  )  I have gotten similar results to your shielding incident when preparing aluminum foil for baking a turkey.  And, yes, I have abnormal internal circuitry, supposedly.  I have heard, tho, that for some of us, a deficiency of progesterone can cause this. 

Welcome to the group!
Diane





--- On Sat, 8/20/11, fideaueater <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: fideaueater <[hidden email]>
Subject: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products
To: [hidden email]
Date: Saturday, August 20, 2011, 9:51 AM















 
 



 


   
     
     
      Some years ago when my ES was worse, I bought some shielding cloth with the idea I could make it in to a hat. Anyhow, I picked it up, folded it in to a triangle, flipped it in the air preparing to try it out as a headscarf and it hit me almost like a bolt of lightning.



I didn't want to be within feet of the wallpaper.



the supplier didn't have answers, except that he'd seen it happen to a friend.



Can't recall which organisation I contacted next but they suggested that I had more aberrant electrical activity inside of me than without???



Jacqueline



--- In [hidden email], KathyB <calicocat477@...> wrote:

>

>

> There are many of us with different level of sensitivities.

> If a person had worse symptoms from a  hat or other shedding

> coated cloth , would that mean the person is sensitive to longitude waves?

>

>

> The hat helps me concentrate, but at the same time causes more jittery feelings,

> if that makes sense? I couldn't' handle a faraday cage. Caused tingling feelings

> that went into burning & nausea. But I used it when we had all 3 amr meters.

>

> I need help to lessen the effects. I can hardly stand being in a store, with their

> cfl's. 

>

> Kathy 

> calicocat477@...

>

>

>

> From: Gruendg@... <Gruendg@...>

> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products

> To: [hidden email]

> Date: Friday, August 19, 2011, 6:01 PM

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> concerniing longitudinal waves, Charles has this knowlede first got from  

>

> me. Longitudinal waves are always present where you can measure any  

>

> electromagnetic fields. They are like the other side of the coin. In my research  I

>

> first thought absorbing them through these gizmos. Later I discovered that  

>

> there are gizmos on the market that change the biological effect of RF even

>

> into  some positive from negative instead of just neutralising the harmful

>

> effect.  This is only possible if the longitudinal waves are still present.

>

>  

>

> And this phenomenon, that RF can transmit biological effective information  

>

> through the inherent longitudinal waves since long has been used in  

>

> alternative medicine for therapy. So far the inventors did hesitate to state  that

>

> they use longitudinal waves, because in ordinary phýsics they are thought  

>

> not to exist. No one wants to be ridiculed using something that is supposed

>

> not  to exist. No one wants to get into legal problems because of this.

>

>  

>

> As soon as you know how to alter the biologically effective information  

>

> ,carried by the longitudinal waves, through some process of resonance, you  

>

> basically have the key to effectively approach the problem of electromagnetic  

>

> pollution.

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> dietrich

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> In einer eMail vom 15.08.2011 19:02:28 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt  

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> lizt777@...:

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>

> Thank  you Charles.

>

> Unfortunately, many ES folks don't have the equipment you  have...to be able

>

> to decipher which exact technical combination of:  fields/energies/ect set

>

> us off...so the translation ends

>

> up being: wifi  bothers some, towers set others off, certain appliances

>

> bother some,  electrical fields bother

>

> some, magnetic flields bother others, etc.  

>

>

>

> Maybe you could enlighten us on the sources of "longitudinal  waves"?

>

> For example, are these waves put out by wireless? Or electrical  

>

> appliances?

>

> Or bad wiring? Or ???

>

> And perhaps you could share with us,  "which" gadgets that in your view

>

> help to improve the immune system, and  how they work?

>

>

>

> I can see where this information just might be very  helpful to many people.

>

>

>

> As to accupressure, there is a book that is  based on pressure point therapy

>

> that is vey similiar to accupressure, only  it requires no tools. This is

>

> especially

>

> useful for those with limited  budgets. You use your fingers in this

>

> technique.

>

> The book is called:  "Healing with Pressure Point Therapy" by Jack Forem &

>

> Steve  Shimer.(amazon.com) It's not hard to learn, the book is easy to

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> read,

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> and  you can do these techniques anywhere.  

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Hi Diane,

Thanks for the welcome!

No, no watch stopping or flash cooking of turkey from handling foil, but I used set off theft alarms in shops as I passed those detecting devices on the way out.  May have set a couple off on the way in too.  Not that anyone ever stopped me but they looked awfie puzzled (I want to say alarmed!!)  And lightning, I felt like I became one with a bolt of lightning. All this was after my ES went from mild to mad after being swiped with a hand held metal detector.  

Some days when my ES feels worse I realise my mineral status feels off too.  Used to be a bigger problem when I regulalry took mineral supplements.

Interesting about the progesterone.  I tried a progesterone cream but for calming neuro excitability. Tiny amounts but it had the opposite effect. You've reminded me that a few years back I was told it was being scientifically trialled for MS which sort of links in with abnormal circuittry. Wonder what happened there......

Jacqueline

--- In [hidden email], Evie <evie15422@...> wrote:

 
Hi, Diane
 
there has an misunderstanding come in. I said, for heavily electrosensitive
 people, where BioProtect or other products dont seem to help, often the
cause is  an intoxication with heavy metals. It is clear that then a
detoxification  is necessary. That does not mean to take out any other metal  like
gold  crowns, or hip joints.
 
The actual cause why BioProtect in some cases doe not work, is its  
resonance with the Tesla waves. In ES the resonance of the body may be stronger  
than the resonance of the card and so the body is still affected. So one way  
would be to develop products with much stronger resonance, as I did and in
many  cases not all it worked out well. One has to try, as it is the case
with all the  other products.
 
This dies not exclude the intelligent use of supplements and proper  
nutrition, taking care of the thyroid or the adrenals. But usually one should  
start with more simple things.
 
I know of people that could not sleep well with electric heating in the  
house until using BioProtect on the breaker box.
 
Dietrich
 
In einer eMail vom 21.08.2011 03:15:34 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt  
[hidden email]:

Hi,  Dietrich,

I noted that the website Marc sent on regarding your  BioProtect card said
that electro-sensitives should get metals out of their  bodies before
wearing your card, or they might react worse with it on.   In my case, (and
Marc's, and many others), this is not an easy thing to  do!  So I am guessing this
is why your card has not worked for some of  us.  

However, would your card still work for us to use off our  bodies, at the
incoming electric panel box, for instance?  Does anybody  on the forum know
this, or has anyone tried it???  Just curious.  

Thanks very much, Dietrich,
Diane






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The card doesn't seem to to do anything for me. Loni

--- On Fri, 8/19/11, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products
To: [hidden email]
Date: Friday, August 19, 2011, 7:13 AM


 



> I would echo what Lizzie says in her post. I would be very very interested to
> know about any product Dr Gruen  might have - which might be of more benefit in
> combatting ES. I have been wearing a bioprotect card for about 2 years

Well, his product *is* the BioProtect card! If you want to learn more
about it, I'd suggest reading this web page:

http://golden-ray.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=5&Itemid=14

Marc







[Non-text portions of this message have been removed]

Thanks Dietrich,

I understand the use of your card better now.  Thanks for doing the research to try to find ways to help us.  Even when things do not help 100%, it is good to know people are at least trying to find helpful treatments and "gizmos", as you call them.  ;) 

It is an odd thing, but recently, I am finding our electric wiring and particular electronics are actually helpful when they are plugged in, to help keep outside frequencies out of our house!  We had actually set our house up to be off grid, but I see (actually, I feel) now that the electrics actually keep more wireless out now when it is on!  Have you done any experiments that shows this is the case?  Just curious.  I have only noticed one other person here at the forum mention this (I think Eli).  In the coming years, it seems we will need more and more protection from the wireless frequencies from without, and so this could be potentially helpful if we understood cancellation of frequencies better.  Are there any good books that you (or others here) know of on this subject? 

My neighbor across the road put in a wireless alarm system this spring, and afterward I could slightly feel it when in bed, except when certain cars went by!  I could literally feel the disruption in the frequencies from cars passing between her house and ours!  Not every car did it, but many cars did.  It got me thinking that cancellation of frequencies would be a great area of study.  As a result, I started trying varying the electrics on the wiring coming into the house.  Now I usually cannot feel the alarm system at all.  However, it is hard to tell what is causing what--I can have good days and bad days physically which also affect whether I can feel the frequencies.  I had a few days of being fairly reactive--I later realized I was reacting physically to solar CMEs.  I was having heart fibrillation and blood pressure plummeting, and blaming it on the neighbor's alarm system, but it was actually solar related.  So many variables to
 consider, it is mind boggling.  lol

Thanks again, Dietrich, for your continuing research.  I appreciate your commitment,
Diane



--- On Mon, 8/22/11, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 5:20 PM















 
 



 


   
     
     
       

Hi, Diane

 

there has an misunderstanding come in. I said, for heavily electrosensitive

 people, where BioProtect or other products dont seem to help, often the

cause is  an intoxication with heavy metals. It is clear that then a

detoxification  is necessary. That does not mean to take out any other metal  like

gold  crowns, or hip joints.

 

The actual cause why BioProtect in some cases doe not work, is its  

resonance with the Tesla waves. In ES the resonance of the body may be stronger  

than the resonance of the card and so the body is still affected. So one way  

would be to develop products with much stronger resonance, as I did and in

many  cases not all it worked out well. One has to try, as it is the case

with all the  other products.

 

This dies not exclude the intelligent use of supplements and proper  

nutrition, taking care of the thyroid or the adrenals. But usually one should  

start with more simple things.

 

I know of people that could not sleep well with electric heating in the  

house until using BioProtect on the breaker box.

 

Dietrich

 

In einer eMail vom 21.08.2011 03:15:34 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt  

[hidden email]:



Hi,  Dietrich,



I noted that the website Marc sent on regarding your  BioProtect card said

that electro-sensitives should get metals out of their  bodies before

wearing your card, or they might react worse with it on.   In my case, (and

Marc's, and many others), this is not an easy thing to  do!  So I am guessing this

is why your card has not worked for some of  us.  



However, would your card still work for us to use off our  bodies, at the

incoming electric panel box, for instance?  Does anybody  on the forum know

this, or has anyone tried it???  Just curious.  



Thanks very much, Dietrich,

Diane



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Diane what are all your symptoms-if you don't mind me asking?


Mahalo,
Christin Brezil
Grain-Free Granola Head,
wife to Thomas and momma to 3 boys
{Dylan Bryce 10 }{ Evan Lane 5 }{ Lucian Kai 2 }
 
"Simplicity is the ultimate form of sophistication."
~ Leonardo da Vinci
 
http://www.facebook.com/thomasandchristin
http://www.westonaprice.org/
http://www.gaps.me/

From: Evie <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 11:22 AM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products


 
Thanks Dietrich,

I understand the use of your card better now.  Thanks for doing the research to try to find ways to help us.  Even when things do not help 100%, it is good to know people are at least trying to find helpful treatments and "gizmos", as you call them.  ;) 

It is an odd thing, but recently, I am finding our electric wiring and particular electronics are actually helpful when they are plugged in, to help keep outside frequencies out of our house!  We had actually set our house up to be off grid, but I see (actually, I feel) now that the electrics actually keep more wireless out now when it is on!  Have you done any experiments that shows this is the case?  Just curious.  I have only noticed one other person here at the forum mention this (I think Eli).  In the coming years, it seems we will need more and more protection from the wireless frequencies from without, and so this could be potentially helpful if we understood cancellation of frequencies better.  Are there any good books that you (or others here) know of on this subject? 

My neighbor across the road put in a wireless alarm system this spring, and afterward I could slightly feel it when in bed, except when certain cars went by!  I could literally feel the disruption in the frequencies from cars passing between her house and ours!  Not every car did it, but many cars did.  It got me thinking that cancellation of frequencies would be a great area of study.  As a result, I started trying varying the electrics on the wiring coming into the house.  Now I usually cannot feel the alarm system at all.  However, it is hard to tell what is causing what--I can have good days and bad days physically which also affect whether I can feel the frequencies.  I had a few days of being fairly reactive--I later realized I was reacting physically to solar CMEs.  I was having heart fibrillation and blood pressure plummeting, and blaming it on the neighbor's alarm system, but it was actually solar related.  So many variables to
consider, it is mind boggling.  lol

Thanks again, Dietrich, for your continuing research.  I appreciate your commitment,
Diane

--- On Mon, 8/22/11, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 5:20 PM

 

Hi, Diane

there has an misunderstanding come in. I said, for heavily electrosensitive

people, where BioProtect or other products dont seem to help, often the

cause is an intoxication with heavy metals. It is clear that then a

detoxification is necessary. That does not mean to take out any other metal like

gold crowns, or hip joints.

The actual cause why BioProtect in some cases doe not work, is its

resonance with the Tesla waves. In ES the resonance of the body may be stronger

than the resonance of the card and so the body is still affected. So one way

would be to develop products with much stronger resonance, as I did and in

many cases not all it worked out well. One has to try, as it is the case

with all the other products.

This dies not exclude the intelligent use of supplements and proper

nutrition, taking care of the thyroid or the adrenals. But usually one should

start with more simple things.

I know of people that could not sleep well with electric heating in the

house until using BioProtect on the breaker box.

Dietrich

In einer eMail vom 21.08.2011 03:15:34 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt

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Hi, Dietrich,

I noted that the website Marc sent on regarding your BioProtect card said

that electro-sensitives should get metals out of their bodies before

wearing your card, or they might react worse with it on. In my case, (and

Marc's, and many others), this is not an easy thing to do! So I am guessing this

is why your card has not worked for some of us.

However, would your card still work for us to use off our bodies, at the

incoming electric panel box, for instance? Does anybody on the forum know

this, or has anyone tried it??? Just curious.

Thanks very much, Dietrich,

Diane

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Hi Christin,

I have many and varied symptoms, depending on the type of frequency and how badly I have neglected my health and nutritional status, the amount of wear from work I am doing, the solar flares, radiation events locally....

However, that said, my symptoms usually break down to autonomic nervous system symptoms (dysautonomia), migraine/ headaches of various types, muscle and joint pain, or electrical buzzing/ vibrations thru-out my body and especially of my left arm and hand (which sustained a bad injury 2 years ago).  It is the autonomic nervous system symptoms which are, by far, most problematic and dangerous--heart rate/ bp/ bs/ temps/ difficulty breathing/ etc .  I have also seemingly had strokes from emfs. 

I have had good help and recovery from supplements and detoxing (especially detoxing my bone marrow with homeopathy), but still a bad attack can sometimes come literally out of nowhere.  My last bad spell was due to the CMEs which I mentioned (in late June, if memory serves); last summer I had a major stroke (all of the symptoms of stroke at once) which effected me badly for about 8 hours and then I recovered but had bad fatigue and confused thinking/ speech for about a month).  Otherwise, I react very minorly usually to short encounters with cell and microwave towers, others' electronic gadgets they are wearing, etc with the other symptoms I've mentioned.  There were years where the autonomic symptoms were an everyday way of life.  I was nearly totally bed-bound for 13 years.  So, while it may sound like things are still bad for me, I feel quite fortunate to have recovered to a place where I can have a nearly normal life.

Good luck, Christin.  Does this sound familiar to you?  (re dysautonomia)
Diane

--- On Sun, 8/28/11, Christin Lussier <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Christin Lussier <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products
To: "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]>
Date: Sunday, August 28, 2011, 2:25 PM















 
 



 


   
     
     
      Diane what are all your symptoms-if you don't mind me asking?



Mahalo,

Christin Brezil

Grain-Free Granola Head,

wife to Thomas and momma to 3 boys

{Dylan Bryce 10 }{ Evan Lane 5 }{ Lucian Kai 2 }

 

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~ Leonardo da Vinci

 

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From: Evie <[hidden email]>

To: [hidden email]

Sent: Sunday, August 28, 2011 11:22 AM

Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products



 

Thanks Dietrich,



I understand the use of your card better now.  Thanks for doing the research to try to find ways to help us.  Even when things do not help 100%, it is good to know people are at least trying to find helpful treatments and "gizmos", as you call them.  ;) 



It is an odd thing, but recently, I am finding our electric wiring and particular electronics are actually helpful when they are plugged in, to help keep outside frequencies out of our house!  We had actually set our house up to be off grid, but I see (actually, I feel) now that the electrics actually keep more wireless out now when it is on!  Have you done any experiments that shows this is the case?  Just curious.  I have only noticed one other person here at the forum mention this (I think Eli).  In the coming years, it seems we will need more and more protection from the wireless frequencies from without, and so this could be potentially helpful if we understood cancellation of frequencies better.  Are there any good books that you (or others here) know of on this subject? 



My neighbor across the road put in a wireless alarm system this spring, and afterward I could slightly feel it when in bed, except when certain cars went by!  I could literally feel the disruption in the frequencies from cars passing between her house and ours!  Not every car did it, but many cars did.  It got me thinking that cancellation of frequencies would be a great area of study.  As a result, I started trying varying the electrics on the wiring coming into the house.  Now I usually cannot feel the alarm system at all.  However, it is hard to tell what is causing what--I can have good days and bad days physically which also affect whether I can feel the frequencies.  I had a few days of being fairly reactive--I later realized I was reacting physically to solar CMEs.  I was having heart fibrillation and blood pressure plummeting, and blaming it on the neighbor's alarm system, but it was actually solar related.  So many variables to

consider, it is mind boggling.  lol



Thanks again, Dietrich, for your continuing research.  I appreciate your commitment,

Diane



--- On Mon, 8/22/11, [hidden email] <[hidden email]> wrote:



From: [hidden email] <[hidden email]>

Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF shileding products

To: [hidden email]

Date: Monday, August 22, 2011, 5:20 PM



 



Hi, Diane



there has an misunderstanding come in. I said, for heavily electrosensitive



people, where BioProtect or other products dont seem to help, often the



cause is an intoxication with heavy metals. It is clear that then a



detoxification is necessary. That does not mean to take out any other metal like



gold crowns, or hip joints.



The actual cause why BioProtect in some cases doe not work, is its



resonance with the Tesla waves. In ES the resonance of the body may be stronger



than the resonance of the card and so the body is still affected. So one way



would be to develop products with much stronger resonance, as I did and in



many cases not all it worked out well. One has to try, as it is the case



with all the other products.



This dies not exclude the intelligent use of supplements and proper



nutrition, taking care of the thyroid or the adrenals. But usually one should



start with more simple things.



I know of people that could not sleep well with electric heating in the



house until using BioProtect on the breaker box.



Dietrich



In einer eMail vom 21.08.2011 03:15:34 Westeuropäische Sommerzeit schreibt



[hidden email]:



Hi, Dietrich,



I noted that the website Marc sent on regarding your BioProtect card said



that electro-sensitives should get metals out of their bodies before



wearing your card, or they might react worse with it on. In my case, (and



Marc's, and many others), this is not an easy thing to do! So I am guessing this



is why your card has not worked for some of us.



However, would your card still work for us to use off our bodies, at the



incoming electric panel box, for instance? Does anybody on the forum know



this, or has anyone tried it??? Just curious.



Thanks very much, Dietrich,



Diane



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