EMF reading of 30milliGauss close to gas water heater - right above kitchen sink

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> new member here; i have a kitchen sink right below two gas water heaters that are showing a 30-40milliGauss reading close to it. So at best i am going to be exposed to 20-25milligauss for atleast a couple hours a day doing dishes getting water etc.
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> In addition power for the home is also located right next to the washers that are showing similarly high reading (which are also located right next to the gas heater); and all of them are located right near the home entrance - so its not like i can avoid them all together.
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> Given that i think i (and my family members) will be exposed to 30millGauss for about 2-3hours a day. I am just researching about EMF stuff; but from what i can tell this sounds horrible. am i correct?
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> Other than this part; the rest of the house is our dream house. We are debating whether to stay here (which is hard wood flooring) or move to a carpeted house and deal with the problem that come with carpeting.
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> In addition: this house is right next to a road that leads to a highway a mile down; so i have a continuous stream of cars going through me; crap..
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> what would you do? stay or move?
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> -gariki
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> Hi Gariki,
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> I can't advise on the meter readings.  Look up how close you are to cell towers & antennas on antennasearch.com   How close you are to those is biggest answer.
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> Electrical issues can be fixed. Living close to a highway is hard with the noise and pollution.  Most antennas are located along highways & major roads. Hardwood floors are healthier than carpet.
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> Kathy
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> new member here; i have a kitchen sink right below two gas water heaters that are showing a 30-40milliGauss reading close to it. So at best i am going to be exposed to 20-25milligauss for atleast a couple hours a day doing dishes getting water etc.
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> On 10/2/2011 9:11 AM, gariki wrote:
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> >But i am specifically concerned about the EMF from my hot water generators
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> Thanks Kathy. Thats a cool site.
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> But i am specifically concerned about the EMF from my hot water generators and the power source (switch board). Just now learned that my steam cleaner that i would have to use on the carpet shows a reading well above 50 as well (maybe even in the hundreds). I guess there is no place to escape.
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> > Hi Gariki,
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> > I can't advise on the meter readings.  Look up how close you are to cell towers & antennas on antennasearch.com   How close you are to those is biggest answer.
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> > Electrical issues can be fixed. Living close to a highway is hard with the noise and pollution.  Most antennas are located along highways & major roads. Hardwood floors are healthier than carpet.
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> > From: gariki <chetan.gariki@>
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> If the other house has less problems with traffic, EMF's, cell towers, etc.  then carpet can be easily removed and a floor put down for probably less expense than it would be to deal with the EMF problems. 
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> For example, you would have to use Mu Metal on the ceiling or floor and the wall to block the EMF's from your area.  But enough sheets to do the job would probably cost you about $2,000 to $5,000, You could put in a floor in the other house for the same amount of money.  Just my 2 cents.
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> Thanks for the inputs everyone.
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> We have decided to move back to the carpeted apartment (actually it was one
> we lived in for 2years an year ago). The carpet is about 1year old; so
> neither too new to offgas nor too old to be hosting a bunch of dust and
> germs etc. Unfortunately this is the middle floor and we cant change it to
> carpet in the future also.
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> But because i am more aware now than before we have eliminated both ground
> floor (because of emfs from smart meters) and top floors due to emfs from
> wiring above. Actually the ground floor was ok; since emf was only at one
> spot in the house; the top floors; of both the houses i checked had emf
> above 6-7 all through the house due to wiring in the crawl space above.
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> After this experience; we wonder.. where is the world going; by the time my
> kids are old enough there wont be any place to hide. jeez.
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> -gariki
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> --- In [hidden email], "C.a.b. Johnson" <superdrove@...> wrote:
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> > If the other house has less problems with traffic, EMF's, cell towers,
> etc.  then carpet can be easily removed and a floor put down for probably
> less expense than it would be to deal with the EMF problems.
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> > For example, you would have to use Mu Metal on the ceiling or floor and
> the wall to block the EMF's from your area.  But enough sheets to do the job
> would probably cost you about $2,000 to $5,000, You could put in a floor in
> the other house for the same amount of money.  Just my 2 cents.
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> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:18:40 -0600
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF reading of 30milliGauss close to gas water heater - right above kitchen sink
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> Usually wiring isn't so bad except when there are
> loops caused by ground loops or ganged neutrals.
> There are a couple books on this (one by Ed Leeper I used).
> Unfortunately probably 90% of electricians don't understand the
> problem. Shielded wiring is nice, but won't solve the problem.
> I suspect there was a similar "net current" probably at
> your water heaters too... often this can be fixed by just
> disconnecting the ground wire from the water pipes, though
> code usual requires that wire be connected.
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> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, gariki <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> > Thanks for the inputs everyone.
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> > We have decided to move back to the carpeted apartment (actually it was one
> > we lived in for 2years an year ago). The carpet is about 1year old; so
> > neither too new to offgas nor too old to be hosting a bunch of dust and
> > germs etc. Unfortunately this is the middle floor and we cant change it to
> > carpet in the future also.
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> > But because i am more aware now than before we have eliminated both ground
> > floor (because of emfs from smart meters) and top floors due to emfs from
> > wiring above. Actually the ground floor was ok; since emf was only at one
> > spot in the house; the top floors; of both the houses i checked had emf
> > above 6-7 all through the house due to wiring in the crawl space above.
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> > After this experience; we wonder.. where is the world going; by the time my
> > kids are old enough there wont be any place to hide. jeez.
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> > -gariki
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> > --- In [hidden email], "C.a.b. Johnson" <superdrove@...> wrote:
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> > > --- On Sun, 10/2/11, gariki <chetan.gariki@...> wrote
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> > > Hi,
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> > > If the other house has less problems with traffic, EMF's, cell towers,
> > etc. then carpet can be easily removed and a floor put down for probably
> > less expense than it would be to deal with the EMF problems.
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> > > For example, you would have to use Mu Metal on the ceiling or floor and
> > the wall to block the EMF's from your area. But enough sheets to do the job
> > would probably cost you about $2,000 to $5,000, You could put in a floor in
> > the other house for the same amount of money. Just my 2 cents.
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> Date: Tue, 4 Oct 2011 10:18:40 -0600
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: EMF reading of 30milliGauss close to gas water heater - right above kitchen sink
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> Usually wiring isn't so bad except when there are
> loops caused by ground loops or ganged neutrals.
> There are a couple books on this (one by Ed Leeper I used).
> Unfortunately probably 90% of electricians don't understand the
> problem. Shielded wiring is nice, but won't solve the problem.
> I suspect there was a similar "net current" probably at
> your water heaters too... often this can be fixed by just
> disconnecting the ground wire from the water pipes, though
> code usual requires that wire be connected.
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> On Tue, Oct 4, 2011 at 8:53 AM, gariki <[hidden email]> wrote:
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> > Thanks for the inputs everyone.
> >
> > We have decided to move back to the carpeted apartment (actually it was one
> > we lived in for 2years an year ago). The carpet is about 1year old; so
> > neither too new to offgas nor too old to be hosting a bunch of dust and
> > germs etc. Unfortunately this is the middle floor and we cant change it to
> > carpet in the future also.
> >
> > But because i am more aware now than before we have eliminated both ground
> > floor (because of emfs from smart meters) and top floors due to emfs from
> > wiring above. Actually the ground floor was ok; since emf was only at one
> > spot in the house; the top floors; of both the houses i checked had emf
> > above 6-7 all through the house due to wiring in the crawl space above.
> >
> > After this experience; we wonder.. where is the world going; by the time my
> > kids are old enough there wont be any place to hide. jeez.
> >
> > -gariki
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> > --- In [hidden email], "C.a.b. Johnson" <superdrove@...> wrote:
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> > > --- On Sun, 10/2/11, gariki <chetan.gariki@...> wrote
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> > > what would you do? stay or move?
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> > > Hi,
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> > > If the other house has less problems with traffic, EMF's, cell towers,
> > etc. then carpet can be easily removed and a floor put down for probably
> > less expense than it would be to deal with the EMF problems.
> > >
> > > For example, you would have to use Mu Metal on the ceiling or floor and
> > the wall to block the EMF's from your area. But enough sheets to do the job
> > would probably cost you about $2,000 to $5,000, You could put in a floor in
> > the other house for the same amount of money. Just my 2 cents.
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> Hi Bill and Gariki,
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> So true.  I could have gone to school and learned wiring myself and rewired our house, also, in the time it took to find one who would do it the way I asked!  It was a painful process.
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> Hi Bill and Gariki,
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> <Unfortunately probably 90% of electricians don't understand the
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> So true.  I could have gone to school and learned wiring myself and rewired our house, also, in the time it took to find one who would do it the way I asked!  It was a painful process.
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> <Shielded wiring is nice, but won't solve the problem.>
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> We had shielded wiring put in, however, that only works as well as your ability to keep frequencies out of the house.  In some circumstances emfs penetrate our brick walls.  We have particular problems with emfs penetrating during a 3 hour window on Sunday mornings.  When this happens, those frequencies radiate around the house due to the metal shielded wiring itself.  So, I would definitely not put metal wiring in in the future, seeing smart meters and possible satellite transmissions coming down the pike.
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> your water heaters too... >
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> Gariki, I don't remember all the particulars of your original post, however, I remember you writing about having problems around your sink....  We had similar problems with our water and water heater....  To fix it we bought a gas only hot water heater and had it installed, and we had the water pipes moved to a different course into the house which avoided electric wiring.  (In our circumstance, the water pipes snaked all thru the house and under the bedrooms, when all they needed to do was to come in to the back of the house and go directly to the bath and kitchen.)  I don't know whether this is helpful info for you or not, but if you are trading a single dwelling for an apartment or condo, I would definitely keep the single dwelling and change the water situation.  If/ when smart meters come to your area, you will need all the space from others' meters that you can get. 
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