ClaeSmog

Hello,

A number of electrosensitive persons do use my 30 points therapy in order to diminish their sensitivity for elektrosmog successfully.

On http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina300.html I have placed a number of reactions to my ClaeSmog. They are in Dutch and German.
But when scrolling down, there are also reactions from a person in Australia, which is in English.

The main goal of the ClaeSmog is not as a protection device, but firstly to repair the damaged immune system of electrosensitives. That is a quite different approach.

So, by repairing the damaged immune system, the sensitivity may be reduced.

Pleas have a look at http://www.minderstraling.nl/Pagina060.html
where I have placed now also an english verson of my 30 points plan.



Greetings,
Charles Claessens
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.minderstraling.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
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On July 17th I placed an english version of my developed therapy in this forum.
Although it is in my opinion the world's first such a therapy to *cure* electrosensitivity, and totally free, I would have expected more persons being interested.
If read carefully, quite a number of questions may arise.

Although some have given a quick look at it, I did receive just 1 (=one) question from a reader of this forum.
That was all.

Conclusion:
Most posters are not really interested in decreasing their own sensitivity, but like inventing the wheel again, and continue to complain and protest.

Overhere a number of former electrosensitives do live a *normal* life again, travel with public transport, sleep in foreign hotels with Wifi, and, start working again in offices, where everybody works *wireless*.

So, my effort to translate my 30 points plan into english was in vain, regarding the eSens group.
In another english forum, the counter showed 184 reads today.  

 

I must have missed it. Could you please post it again? My ear is always open to new therapy. Lately I have found that eating one shiitake mushroom in the morning helps.



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On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:00 AM PDT bitje2005 wrote:

Please have a look at http://www.minderstraling.nl/Pagina060.html
where I have placed now an english version of my 30 points plan.

On http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina300.html I have placed a number of reactions to my ClaeSmog. They are in Dutch and German.
But when scrolling down, there are also reactions from a person in Australia, which is in English.

The main goal of the ClaeSmog is not as a protection device, but firstly to repair the damaged immune system of electrosensitives. That is a quite different approach.

So, by repairing the damaged immune system, the sensitivity may be reduced.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.minderstraling.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft


  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Al Harding
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:29 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: ClaeSmog



  I must have missed it. Could you please post it again? My ear is always open to new therapy. Lately I have found that eating one shiitake mushroom in the morning helps.



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  On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:00 AM PDT bitje2005 wrote:

  >On July 17th I placed an english version of my developed therapy in this forum.
  >Although it is in my opinion the world's first such a therapy to *cure* electrosensitivity, and totally free, I would have expected more persons being interested.
  >If read carefully, quite a number of questions may arise.
  >
  >Although some have given a quick look at it, I did receive just 1 (=one) question from a reader of this forum.
  >That was all.
  >
  >Conclusion:
  >Most posters are not really interested in decreasing their own sensitivity, but like inventing the wheel again, and continue to complain and protest.
  >
  >Overhere a number of former electrosensitives do live a *normal* life again, travel with public transport, sleep in foreign hotels with Wifi, and, start working again in offices, where everybody works *wireless*.
  >
  >So, my effort to translate my 30 points plan into english was in vain, regarding the eSens group.
  >In another english forum, the counter showed 184 reads today.  
  >
  >
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> on Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:00 AM PDT bitje2005 wrote:
>
> >On July 17th I placed an english version of my developed therapy in this forum.
> >Although it is in my opinion the world's first such a therapy to *cure* electrosensitivity,
> > and totally free, I would have expected more persons being interested.

Well, I'd purchase a ClaesSmog, if it were put up for sale.  However, as far as I can
tell, it is not for sale anywhere.

Or are you just giving these away for free?  :-)

Also, many of these devices have a major problem -- they are unsuitable for
people with heavy metal toxicity, as they tend to make that problem worse.
However, certainly I have found some devices that seem somewhat
compatible with my own heavy metal toxicity.  I don't know if the ClaesSmog
falls into that category for me or not.

Marc

charles, please do not evaluate our appreciation
by our immediate response.  i was quite impressed
by your work and grateful for it and began to work
on implementing it.  so far, i have no questions,
because i cannot do it all in one day, but i will be
sending feedback and appreciation, and
i hope that you will be patient.
remember, you are dealing with a population that
in general is less than healthy - with resources that
have been stripped due to this problem - and we
might be slow and need time to gather together
all the things you advise.  my diet is in good shape
and has been for years, and i have several tools
to help my condition, but i stopped at your item #2,
detox - ionic footbath.  i know that is a good idea
and i hadn't yet purchased an ionic footbath, so i
am busily researching that - and intend to buy it
with next month's income.  on your page it says
that the claesmog should be used only after all
the other steps have been taken.  
we're working on it.  
please be patient with us.
we love you and your work.  
how much is your claesmog?  
love, patricia


On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:38 AM, charles wrote:

Hello,

the ClaeSmog costs ? 100, Euro.

It did cost me investments over the years, about ? 16,000 . in order to fabricate them.

For more info:  [hidden email]

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.minderstraling.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft

  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Patricia Robinett
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:13 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: ClaeSmog


  charles, please do not evaluate our appreciation
  by our immediate response.  i was quite impressed
  by your work and grateful for it and began to work
  on implementing it.  so far, i have no questions,
  because i cannot do it all in one day, but i will be
  sending feedback and appreciation, and
  i hope that you will be patient.
  remember, you are dealing with a population that
  in general is less than healthy - with resources that
  have been stripped due to this problem - and we
  might be slow and need time to gather together
  all the things you advise.  my diet is in good shape
  and has been for years, and i have several tools
  to help my condition, but i stopped at your item #2,
  detox - ionic footbath.  i know that is a good idea
  and i hadn't yet purchased an ionic footbath, so i
  am busily researching that - and intend to buy it
  with next month's income.  on your page it says
  that the claesmog should be used only after all
  the other steps have been taken.  
  we're working on it.  
  please be patient with us.
  we love you and your work.  
  how much is your claesmog?  
  love, patricia


  On Jul 23, 2013, at 11:38 AM, charles wrote:

  > Please have a look at http://www.minderstraling.nl/Pagina060.html
  > where I have placed now an english version of my 30 points plan.
  >
  > On http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina300.html I have placed a number of reactions to my ClaeSmog. They are in Dutch and German.
  > But when scrolling down, there are also reactions from a person in Australia, which is in English.
  >
  > The main goal of the ClaeSmog is not as a protection device, but firstly to repair the damaged immune system of electrosensitives. That is a quite different approach.
  >
  > So, by repairing the damaged immune system, the sensitivity may be reduced.
  >
  > Greetings,
  > Charles Claessens
  > www.milieuziektes.nl
  > www.milieuziektes.be
  > www.minderstraling.nl
  > www.hetbitje.nl
  > checked by Emsisoft
  >
  >
  >  ----- Original Message -----
  >  From: Al Harding
  >  To: [hidden email]
  >  Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:29 PM
  >  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: ClaeSmog
  >
  >
  >
  >  I must have missed it. Could you please post it again? My ear is always open to new therapy. Lately I have found that eating one shiitake mushroom in the morning helps.
  >
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  >  On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:00 AM PDT bitje2005 wrote:
  >
  >> On July 17th I placed an english version of my developed therapy in this forum.
  >> Although it is in my opinion the world's first such a therapy to *cure* electrosensitivity, and totally free, I would have expected more persons being interested.
  >> If read carefully, quite a number of questions may arise.
  >>
  >> Although some have given a quick look at it, I did receive just 1 (=one) question from a reader of this forum.
  >> That was all.
  >>
  >> Conclusion:
  >> Most posters are not really interested in decreasing their own sensitivity, but like inventing the wheel again, and continue to complain and protest.
  >>
  >> Overhere a number of former electrosensitives do live a *normal* life again, travel with public transport, sleep in foreign hotels with Wifi, and, start working again in offices, where everybody works *wireless*.
  >>
  >> So, my effort to translate my 30 points plan into english was in vain, regarding the eSens group.
  >> In another english forum, the counter showed 184 reads today.  
  >>
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On July 23, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote:
>  i stopped at your item #2,
> detox - ionic footbath.  i know that is a good idea
> and i hadn't yet purchased an ionic footbath, so i
> am busily researching that - and intend to buy it
> with next month's income.  

I tried an ionic footbath years ago, and it very
quickly made my ES much worse.  I spent a
large amount of money just to recover from
the damage done by a few footbaths.  The
healthcare practitioner I went to said that I
was not the only one who had come to her
complaining about a bad reaction to these, and
as such she refuses to use them in her practice.

So be careful...

Marc

Hello Marc,

yes, I have given them away for free.
In the past, to persons who were willing to give me their postal address, and for testing purposes. I used a long testing period. But that period is over now.
Without a postal address, I cannot send something.

The ClaeSmog is for sale at: [hidden email]  you could have known, because it is clearly stated in the english 30 pointsplan under point 30.

I did sent one free to this gentleman in Australia, whose experiences he did meticulously
reported at the end of http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina300.html.
That is in english.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.minderstraling.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft






----- Original Message -----
  From: Marc Martin
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 7:53 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: ClaeSmog


  > on Tue, Jul 23, 2013 9:00 AM PDT bitje2005 wrote:
  >
  > >On July 17th I placed an english version of my developed therapy in this forum.
  > >Although it is in my opinion the world's first such a therapy to *cure* electrosensitivity,
  > > and totally free, I would have expected more persons being interested.

  Well, I'd purchase a ClaesSmog, if it were put up for sale.  However, as far as I can
  tell, it is not for sale anywhere.

  Or are you just giving these away for free?  :-)

  Also, many of these devices have a major problem -- they are unsuitable for
  people with heavy metal toxicity, as they tend to make that problem worse.
  However, certainly I have found some devices that seem somewhat
  compatible with my own heavy metal toxicity.  I don't know if the ClaesSmog
  falls into that category for me or not.

  Marc


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On July 23, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The ClaeSmog is for sale at: [hidden email]  you could have known,
> because it is clearly stated in the english 30 pointsplan under point 30.

Ahh, I missed that.  Thanks!

> I did sent one free to this gentleman in Australia, whose experiences he did meticulously
> reported at the end of http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina300.html.
> That is in english.

That report has some negative reactions (heart murmers, stomach pain, etc.), and
also ended negatively -- did he lose or return his ClaeSmog in the end?

Marc

Hello Marc,

he wrote me that he had lost it in a shop:
*DAY EIGHT 1200 hours: I had taped the ClaeSmog to the lower stomach area,
touching the skin for an experiment. One hour later I got stomach cramps,
which I never get. This device is powerful.

DAY EIGHT 1300 hours: Unfortunately, this is where I lost the ClaeSmog
device. Lost the device down my paints, which makes this a very short trial,
never less, an interesting one. The ClaeSmog came lose from the tape and
fell to the ground when I walked down to the shops. Spent hours searching
for it and almost cried. *

Later he wrote:
Just for your record. Going backwards quickly without ClaeSmog Can't use
technology again.

I am getting ClaeSmog Withdrawal symptoms, not nice.
Flight and fright and other EHS symptoms are back.
Customs better be a bit quicker this time around.

Todat he wrote me:
There is an old saying;
"You do not know what you had, tell you lose it."
Missing ClaeSmog, feel like I am going metal without it.
A paid replacement is under way form July 15th.

The first one was one month underway. Customs thought probably it is a bomb?

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.minderstraling.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
checked by Emsisoft





----- Original Message -----
From: Marc Martin
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 8:47 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: ClaeSmog


On July 23, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The ClaeSmog is for sale at: [hidden email]  you could have known,
> because it is clearly stated in the english 30 pointsplan under point 30.

Ahh, I missed that.  Thanks!

> I did sent one free to this gentleman in Australia, whose experiences he
> did meticulously
> reported at the end of http://www.milieuziektes.nl/Pagina300.html.
> That is in english.

That report has some negative reactions (heart murmers, stomach pain, etc.),
and
also ended negatively -- did he lose or return his ClaeSmog in the end?

Marc


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On July 23, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> The first one was one month underway. Customs thought probably it is a bomb?

Ahh, yes, I wouldn't know how to describe an EMF protection device
for customs.  Although the ClaeSmog looks (to me) like a harmless
glass vial (hopefully not easily broken!)

Marc

hmm... thanks for the input, marc.  
i need desperately to pull out the heavy metals
that are in my ankles... any other ideas?  
seems that if the footbaths work, that would
be the most efficient way to remove them,
rather than to get them out of the body by
way of the digestive system or lymph system
or ...  
do you think you might have had a cleansing
reaction???  
love, patricia


On Jul 23, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

On July 23, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote:
> do you think you might have had a cleansing
> reaction???  

I think I permanent damage from unsafe heavy
metal redistribution.  I suspect the footbath is
a great/quick way to detox, as long as your
body can handle it.  But if your body cannot
handle it, then it will just make you worse.

Marc

On July 23, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]> wrote:
> hmm... thanks for the input, marc.  
> i need desperately to pull out the heavy metals
> that are in my ankles... any other ideas?  

Have you tried applying bentonite clay to the skin
around your ankles, letting it dry then washing it
off?  Or maybe clay baths...?

Marc

Patricia, I'm going to ask a dumb question, but how do you know the metals are in your ankles??
thanks
Aimee


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From: Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: ClaeSmog

 
hmm... thanks for the input, marc.
i need desperately to pull out the heavy metals
that are in my ankles... any other ideas?
seems that if the footbaths work, that would
be the most efficient way to remove them,
rather than to get them out of the body by
way of the digestive system or lymph system
or ...
do you think you might have had a cleansing
reaction???
love, patricia

On Jul 23, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Marc Martin wrote:




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Conclusion:
Most posters are not really interested in decreasing
their own sensitivity, but like inventing the wheel again, and continue
to complain and protest.

Overhere a number of former
electrosensitives do live a *normal* life again, travel with public
transport, sleep in foreign hotels with Wifi, and, start working again
in offices, where everybody works *wireless*.

So, my effort to translate my 30 points plan into english was in vain, regarding the eSens group.
In another english forum, the counter showed 184 reads today. 
 
Charles,

With all due respect, I find your comments somewhat hostile and disparaging.  I can imagine that perhaps this reflects the mood you were in at the time and may no longer be the case but geez, come on now!  Most posters are on this list because they somewhat desperately want to decrease their sensitivity.  Maybe you don't understand what it is like to feel that sort of desperation.  And exhaustion.  Mental and physical exhaustion that could reasonably be foreseen to preclude focusing on the contents of a link you posted.  I think there are big limitations placed on focused discussion which are technical--that is, the electronic medium is simply not very conducive to focused study and discussion (for the most able) let alone those who are suffering from EHS/electrostress!  I bet most are in fact having a bit of a hard time with reactions to computers, monitors, wiring &c...just to read the posts and follow along.  I know it is a double edged sword
 for me.

Why the comment about some other english forum with 184 reads today?  I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were hoping to motivate...  But on the face of it, at best those remarks are not helpful and at worst they are chastizing insults.  Everyone works hard.  We all feel like our efforts are 'in vain' at times--with me, OFTEN; it relates to the 'desperation' which I mentioned earlier.  And we are all frustrated too!  Need I say more?

NB.  Let's not start a battle--that is definitely not my intention.

  ~=~
  Hud
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good ideas, marc.
thanks.
i think the metal in my ankles
is the source of my emf sensitivity.  
the metal attracts emf and dirty electricity.  
i'd love to be free of this.  
patricia

On Jul 23, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

hi, aimee.
i was working at a semiconductor plant and
was given the duty of breaking apart barrels
of discs that were coated with many precious,
heavy metals.  that night, my ankles and
eyelids swelled up tremendously and i was
very afraid.  it took days for the swelling to
go down.  they've never been the same
since.  i have had excruciating cramps in
my ankles and calves.  my ankles are still
swollen so that i notice - even tho others
might not.  so i know i am carrying heavy
metals.  
love, patricia


On Jul 23, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Aimee wrote:

> Patricia, I'm going to ask a dumb question, but how do you know the metals are in your ankles??
> thanks
> Aimee
>

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> From: charles <[hidden email]>
> 
>Please have a look at http://www.minderstraling.nl/Pagina060.html
>where I have placed now an english version of my 30 points plan.

Hello,

I would highly suggest for people who are inclined to try this, that they first follow the suggestion in the second point and purchase the book "Amalgam Illness" by Andrew Hall Cutler and then actually read it....

You will find that more than a few of the "points suggestions" are going to seriously harm you if you indeed have Heavy Metal (HM) toxicity.


Personally, I believe Wifi, etc illness and Heavy Metal toxicity go hand in hand. When reading though the symptoms of each, you will find they are almost identical.

If this idea interests you, you can learn more at the FDC (Frequent Dose Chelation) forum, where people are actively removing heavy metals from their body in a SAFE and PROVEN protocol. Proven by continuous success stories from adults and parents who have chelated their autistic children.

There is a dangerous way to chelate and safe way to do it. Learn the safe way before you harm yourself.


I cannot tolerate high EMF fields. I am, also, heavy metal toxic and have been following this SAFE protocol now for 8 months and have achieved great improvements in my health. I still actively try to keep my EMF exposure down as much as possible, which is very difficult as you know.

LINKS:

FDC (Frequent Dose Chelation) forum
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/frequent-dose-chelation/


Amalgam Illness Book
http://www.noamalgam.com/

I wish you all great success in your endeavour to survive these difficult times. As has been said before, "Educate Yourself".

Laura

PS Mercury toxicity from amalgams, childhood vaccinations, flu shots, allergy shots, etc. will cause the body to hold on to ALL the metals.

PSS Sorry, Charles. We see countless people come to the FDC forum who have taken high dose ALA (Alpha lipoic acid) once a day and are now very, very sick. It takes them years to get back to the ill health they had before they took it. Peace.