ClaeSmog

On July 23, Laura <[hidden email]> wrote:
> There is a dangerous way to chelate and safe way to do it. Learn the safe way before you harm yourself.

Heh, heh... well, I find Cutler's protocol to be at the opposite end of
the spectrum.  It's so safe that you may never actually get any better.
I did over 100 "rounds" over a period of years, with no improvements
to show for it.

Fortunately, the things they advise against are more effective.  :-)

Marc

Interesting.

What did you find more effective in regards to things they advise against taking?

Thanks Patricia, and i hope i didnt get to personal.  I just thought there might be some sign that the average person can look for... its just not that simple tho is it.
I'm sorry for the hell we all go thru.
 
Aimee


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From: Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]>
To: [hidden email]
Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 6:56 PM
Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: ClaeSmog

 
hi, aimee.
i was working at a semiconductor plant and
was given the duty of breaking apart barrels
of discs that were coated with many precious,
heavy metals. that night, my ankles and
eyelids swelled up tremendously and i was
very afraid. it took days for the swelling to
go down. they've never been the same
since. i have had excruciating cramps in
my ankles and calves. my ankles are still
swollen so that i notice - even tho others
might not. so i know i am carrying heavy
metals.
love, patricia

On Jul 23, 2013, at 5:50 PM, Aimee wrote:

> Patricia, I'm going to ask a dumb question, but how do you know the metals are in your ankles??
> thanks
> Aimee
>




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On July 23, Laura <[hidden email]> wrote:
> >Fortunately, the things they advise against are more effective.  :-)
>
> Interesting.
>
> What did you find more effective in regards to things they advise against taking?

For me, NDF worked pretty well.  Cutler claims this is worthless.  

Also, I've seen others report good results from liquid zeolite - Cutler
says this is worthless dirt.

Also, I've found OSR (no longer available) to be a great binder.  Cutler says
there is no reason to choose this over ALA.

Marc

Pull out heavy metals… Chelation maybe ?

I am considering it…

 

Dominique

Paris-france

 

De : [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] De la part de
Patricia Robinett
Envoyé : mercredi 24 juillet 2013 00:25
À : [hidden email]
Objet : Re: [eSens] Re: ClaeSmog

 

 

hmm... thanks for the input, marc.
i need desperately to pull out the heavy metals
that are in my ankles... any other ideas?
seems that if the footbaths work, that would
be the most efficient way to remove them,
rather than to get them out of the body by
way of the digestive system or lymph system
or ...
do you think you might have had a cleansing
reaction???
love, patricia

On Jul 23, 2013, at 1:31 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

> On July 23, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]
<mailto:patricia%40efn.org> > wrote:




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Hi patricia,

If your sensitivity is in your ankle it could also be that your are more
sensitive to LOW FREQUENCIES than other frequencies.

This is my case.

LOW FREQUENCIES are linked with dirty electricity.

You should check the electricity level of your house with a VOLTMETRE.

In my case I just did it today with a professional and the results were
impressive: 100 to 200 Volts per meter instead of 5 to 10 volts per meter.

Try to turn the power of your entire house at night for a week and check if
your sleep is improving.

 

Dominique

paris

 

De : [hidden email] [mailto:[hidden email]] De la part de
Patricia Robinett
Envoyé : mercredi 24 juillet 2013 02:50
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good ideas, marc.
thanks.
i think the metal in my ankles
is the source of my emf sensitivity.
the metal attracts emf and dirty electricity.
i'd love to be free of this.
patricia

On Jul 23, 2013, at 5:31 PM, Marc Martin wrote:

> On July 23, Patricia Robinett <[hidden email]
<mailto:patricia%40efn.org> > wrote:




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Hi marc,

Which protocole of CHELATION did you follow ?

I am considering doing it but do not know how yet..

 

dominique

 

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Martin
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On July 23, Laura <[hidden email] <mailto:codeaux%40yahoo.com> > wrote:
> There is a dangerous way to chelate and safe way to do it. Learn the safe
way before you harm yourself.

Heh, heh... well, I find Cutler's protocol to be at the opposite end of
the spectrum. It's so safe that you may never actually get any better.
I did over 100 "rounds" over a period of years, with no improvements
to show for it.

Fortunately, the things they advise against are more effective. :-)

Marc





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On July 24, dupond et dupond <[hidden email]> wrote:
> Hi marc,
> Which protocole of CHELATION did you follow ?
> I am considering doing it but do not know how yet..

Well, since its been 12 years since someone hinted that
I might have mercury poisoning, by now I think I tried all
of them -- at least for a little bit.

But if you're asking what did I do during the years I noticed
the most improvement in my health?  That would be NDF.
I've tried other things in subsequent years, but they either
didn't help or made things worse.

Marc

What number is your hair test?

On July 24, Laura <[hidden email]> wrote:
> What number is your hair test?

My hair test isn't posted online... I had mostly recovered from
my own mercury poisoning before those discussion groups
were even formed.

Marc

Marc,

what is NDF?
also how is zeolite used? isnt that for garden and air freshing?
Thanks
Lynn D
Was told by an herbalist who worked psychically that
I had heavy metals(never heard of it before that) and green beans help pull it out with the fiber and ?  Couldnt really wrap my head around that but she was correct about being attacked by a neighbor so tried the green beans and also the homeopathics and was pretty impressed .

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

On July 24, "[hidden email]" <[hidden email]> wrote:
> what is NDF?

It's a heavy metal detox product from BioRay -- back when I was taking
it a lot, it stood for nanocolliodal detox factors, but now I think it stands
for natural detox factors.  :-)

> also how is zeolite used? isnt that for garden and air freshing?

There is powder and liquid zeolite products used for heavy metal detox.
I know that some people say this worked for them when nothing else
did.  I recently noted that a person on one of discussion groups who
was unresponsive (or could not tolerate) and form of chelation has
found herself finally improving by doing gluthathione sprays followed
by sprays of zeolite.

> I had heavy metals(never heard of it before that) and green beans help pull it out with the fiber and ?  

Never heard of using green beans for that!

Marc

On July 23, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:
> On July 23, Laura <[hidden email]> wrote:
> > There is a dangerous way to chelate and safe way to do it. Learn the safe way before you harm yourself.
>
> Heh, heh... well, I find Cutler's protocol to be at the opposite end of
> the spectrum.  It's so safe that you may never actually get any better.
> I did over 100 "rounds" over a period of years, with no improvements
> to show for it.
>
> Fortunately, the things they advise against are more effective.  :-)

Via private email, Laura has chastised me for my message above,
saying that the Cutler protocol works for most people, and I shouldn't
be so negative about it.

My response to this is yes, you do encounter people who say that
the Cutler protocol worked for them, but you also encounter people
who made no progress, and you also encounter people who say
they were harmed by it.  So in the end, it does not appear to me
to be any safer or effective than anything else.  And to imply that
this is the one true & safe protocol and everything else is
dangerous or nonsense demonstrates some very selective sampling.  
I would say that almost any protocol will have people
who say it either helped, didn't help, or harmed them.

So does anyone else have any firsthand experience with the Cutler protocol
and how it helped or didn't help with their electrical sensitivity?  Off
the top of my head, I can only recall one person on this list who
said that this cured him (Ed from the Netherlands).  I know there have
been others here who have tried it and were hopeful it would help,
but being hopeful and being successful are two different things.  :-)

Marc

I never said it would cure ES. Please reread the original message below...

You, Marc, said it didn't work for you because you weren't mercury toxic at the time you did the protocol. So it's unclear why you would even chelate for heavy metals or even why you are still on the chelation forum, especially if you think it's all bunk.

You also posted on FDC that you used to be very sensitive to EMF's, "feel the wires in the wall" before you chelated the metal out.

Very confusing.

On July 25, Laura <[hidden email]> wrote:
> I never said it would cure ES. Please reread the original message below...

Well, this group is all about helping people with ES.  And I do have on
record one person who did say it cured them of ES.

> You, Marc, said it didn't work for you because you weren't mercury toxic at the time you did the protocol. So it's unclear why you would even chelate for heavy metals or even why you are still on the chelation forum, especially if you think it's all bunk.

And I never said it's all bunk.  You have a tendency to put words
into other people's mouths, which I don't think helps your credibility.

I think I will probably continue detoxing -- off and on -- for the rest
of my life.  As I've certainly seen the benefits in myself.  And I am
certainly open to trying new things as they come along, and I
would be like aware of the various options so I can help my
friends and family.  For example, we were just (apparently) successful
in reversing Alzheimers / dementia symptoms in my mother.

> You also posted on FDC that you used to be very sensitive to EMF's, "feel the wires in the wall" before you chelated the metal out.
>
> Very confusing.

And why is this confusing?  I've made no secret that I used to
be sensitive to lots of EMF sources that I'm no longer sensitive
to at all.  And that I thought it was heavy metal related.  But
those improvements were all doing things that you insist are
dangerous/toxic/nonsense, and not doing those things you
approve of.

Marc

Hello,

there are no strict rules.

One can only give advice.
Many electrosensitives do not know the way or the path they should folow.
Advice can help them for starters.
They do not have to invent the wheel again.

At the bottom of http://www.minderstraling.nl/Pagina060.html
there one can find the testimony of a Marie-Christine in France, who *cured* herself many years ago by following a method by Hulda Clark.

So, many ways may lead to the ultimate success: healing the electrosensitivity.

Greetings,
Charles Claessens
www.milieuziektes.nl
www.milieuziektes.be
www.minderstraling.nl
www.hetbitje.nl
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  ----- Original Message -----
  From: Marc Martin
  To: [hidden email]
  Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2013 2:43 PM
  Subject: Re: [eSens] Re: ClaeSmog


  On July 25, Laura <[hidden email]> wrote:
  > I never said it would cure ES. Please reread the original message below...

  Well, this group is all about helping people with ES.  And I do have on
  record one person who did say it cured them of ES.

  > You, Marc, said it didn't work for you because you weren't mercury toxic at the time you did the protocol. So it's unclear why you would even chelate for heavy metals or even why you are still on the chelation forum, especially if you think it's all bunk.

  And I never said it's all bunk.  You have a tendency to put words
  into other people's mouths, which I don't think helps your credibility.

  I think I will probably continue detoxing -- off and on -- for the rest
  of my life.  As I've certainly seen the benefits in myself.  And I am
  certainly open to trying new things as they come along, and I
  would be like aware of the various options so I can help my
  friends and family.  For example, we were just (apparently) successful
  in reversing Alzheimers / dementia symptoms in my mother.

  > You also posted on FDC that you used to be very sensitive to EMF's, "feel the wires in the wall" before you chelated the metal out.
  >
  > Very confusing.

  And why is this confusing?  I've made no secret that I used to
  be sensitive to lots of EMF sources that I'm no longer sensitive
  to at all.  And that I thought it was heavy metal related.  But
  those improvements were all doing things that you insist are
  dangerous/toxic/nonsense, and not doing those things you
  approve of.

  Marc


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>________________________________
> From: charles <[hidden email]>
> 
>Hello,

Hello.

: )


>there are no strict rules.
>
>One can only give advice.
>Many electrosensitives do not know the way or the path they should folow.
>Advice can help them for starters.
>They do not have to invent the wheel again.

Beautifully said...



>At the bottom of http://www.minderstraling.nl/Pagina060.html
>there one can find the testimony of a Marie-Christine in France, who *cured* herself many years ago by following a method by Hulda Clark.

Clark was brilliant, just brilliant. It was a very sad day when she passed. If it weren't for Hulda, I wouldn't have found my path, a long path, but a path...and I'm almost nearing the end.


Every good method has a piece of Hulda Clark in it. So in a way, she lives on...

Soon, I want to continue investigating her thoughts on magnets. ; )

On July 25, charles <[hidden email]> wrote:
> So, many ways may lead to the ultimate success: healing the electrosensitivity.

Yes, and many of these ways have been suggested here on this discussion group,
or found on websites (e.g. "overcoming electrical sensitivity").  But there is
individual variability, as we see over & over again that what works for one person
does not work another. For example, my bad reaction to an ionic footbath, while
the same sort of thing greatly reduced the symptoms of Charles' wife.  Or, I
commonly see people reporting bad reactions to Cilantro on various groups,
while I know that for myself a couple others on this group, the reaction to
cilantro has been mostly beneficial.

Marc

What I find curious about Cutler is that he says alpha lipoic acid is dangerous to take when you have mercury in your body. That would mean that everyone taking a supplement of ALA (millions of people) are getting their brains poisoned with liberated mercury. I find it hard to believe.
In addition, you have to keep waking yourself up every few hours to take a low dose of ALA and I wonder how healthy it is to disturb your sleep for months and months
Steve

--- In [hidden email], Marc Martin <marc@...> wrote:

I did it for a few years.  It seems to me that different ways of chelating have different effects on me.  I took megadoses and didn’t really follow the Cutler plan of taking very small amounts.  The bad thing about it for me was that it was an acid and taking an acid around the clock in the amounts that I took and for the time I took it was bad for my throat.  And also it seems that after a couple of days my prostate would seem to be gathering the metals that didn’t make it out of my body.  So I had to use oil of cilantro on my prostate.  I have read someone on another list say that it was alpha lipoic acid that gave him cancer and I can see why he would say that.  If I wasn’t using oil of cilantro my prostate would be in really bad shape.  My two cents.

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