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laurel canyon
I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to draw theEMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10 drops. All I can do is one drop and still, I can feel increased stinging and burning.
 
This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some people's energy/thoughts/emotions have caused me the same type of symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
 
I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this before. I also seem to be unableto tolerate being in a house with aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace, but perhaps a refrigerator). While I stood and listened to the man explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly.. which was the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house. Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to m.. I have
no idea.
 
I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food, chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor one day over thephone who told me she had quite a few clients who had the same issues, whowere incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF, chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
 
The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the center of my tongue in whichI was told was indicative of poor assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet just one drop was more than my body could tolerate.
 
Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation, especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as well as kill many pathogens).
 
Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has becomea nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in. It has beenmuch too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
 
My, how life can suddenly change.
 
 
Laurel


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Marc Martin
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> Does anyone else have any of these issues??

I am not intolerant of minerals in general, but certainly I find
that I do have adverse reactions to many supplements. If you
are really deficient in minerals, then you should find some
way of taking them, even if you have to take them in a very
mild form (e.g. directly from high-mineral foods, or whole
food mineral supplements like those from Standard Process)
or tiny dosages (1/4 of tablet, one drop, etc.)

Marc

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laurel canyon
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I recently bought a whole food supplement in which the ingredients seemed like they might be okay, although even tomatoes I now react to(which is an ingredient). I even reacted to that vitamin. For me, small doses of what I am sensitive to does not help. I have found that if I am reactive to that item, it can be a minute level and still be problematic. It has been quite the challenge.
 
I am living like a refugee right now, which does not help matters. I no longer have my own home and belongings. Now, every move in life is a challenge.. even going to a grocery store. I have reactions to people's perfumes and cell phones. I feel like an invalid at times(when I am reacting to certain items), and to look at me, most would not know just how dysfunctionalI am at times. Ahh..
 
anyway, thanks for responding to my post.


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> Does anyone else have any of these issues??

I am not intolerant of minerals in general, but certainly I find
that I do have adverse reactions to many supplements. If you
are really deficient in minerals, then you should find some
way of taking them, even if you have to take them in a very
mild form (e.g. directly from high-mineral foods, or whole
food mineral supplements like those from Standard Process)
or tiny dosages (1/4 of tablet, one drop, etc.)

Marc
 














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Marc Martin
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> For me, small doses of
> what I am sensitive to does not help. I have found that if I am reactive
> to that item, it can be a minute level and still be problematic.

Yes, I know what you mean by this -- I react this way with any
zeolite product, and also chia seeds (!). They just have to be
avoided, no matter how beneficial someone claims them to be... :-)

But there's got to be *something* that will start making you feel
better... an antioxidant, liver support, toxin binder... *something*...

Marc
 

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Marc Martin
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> I recently bought a whole food supplement in which the ingredients seemed
> like they might be okay, although even tomatoes I now react to(which is
> an ingredient).

Can you tolerate kelp? I know that there are some "mineral supplements"
which are mostly just kelp, as seaweeds are high in minerals.

Marc

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What about whole kelp as a sea vegetable? I just ordered 2 lbs. online
so I can get trace minerals and iodine. I much prefer real food to
pills or even powders. The type of kelp I ordered is thin enough I cut
it into little pieces with a scissors and add to salads or on top of
boiled eggs or add to brown rice or oatmeal. You can get 2oz. packages
at the natural food store.

There is also Mega-Mag, an ionic liquid formula that while mostly
magnesium also has trace minerals. Even just a few drops if tolerable
would give some magnesium (about 25mg to 5 drops). You can get it in
the natural food stores. Don't pumpkin seeds have lots of calcium and
magnesium? Also omega 3 oils. I soak mine overnite in salted water to
make them easier to digest.

Kathy

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> > I recently bought a whole food supplement in which the ingredients
seemed
> > like they might be okay, although even tomatoes I now react to
(which is
> > an ingredient).
>
> Can you tolerate kelp? I know that there are some "mineral
supplements"
> which are mostly just kelp, as seaweeds are high in minerals.
>
> Marc
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laurel canyon
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Thanks Marc. Yes, I do tolerate kelp and have been taking granulated kelp.


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> I recently bought a whole food supplement in which the ingredients seemed
> like they might be okay, although even tomatoes I now react to(which is
> an ingredient).

Can you tolerate kelp? I know that there are some "mineral supplements"
which are mostly just kelp, as seaweeds are high in minerals.

Marc
 














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laurel canyon
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Hi Kathy,
 
Thanks for the suggestions. I am taking some kelp powder(just not sure how much to take). I have a liquid magnesium chloride, but the problem is any minerals I take seems to draw the electricity into my body worse than ever. I sting and burn MUCH worse when around EMF. I am stumped as what to do. However, kelp has not done that to me. I take less than a tsp per day.. actually only a pinch so far per day.
 
Laurel
 


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What about whole kelp as a sea vegetable? I just ordered 2 lbs. online
so I can get trace minerals and iodine. I much prefer real food to
pills or even powders. The type of kelp I ordered is thin enough I cut
it into little pieces with a scissors and add to salads or on top of
boiled eggs or add to brown rice or oatmeal. You can get 2oz. packages
at the natural food store.

There is also Mega-Mag, an ionic liquid formula that while mostly
magnesium also has trace minerals. Even just a few drops if tolerable
would give some magnesium (about 25mg to 5 drops). You can get it in
the natural food stores. Don't pumpkin seeds have lots of calcium and
magnesium? Also omega 3 oils. I soak mine overnite in salted water to
make them easier to digest.

Kathy

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> > I recently bought a whole food supplement in which the ingredients
seemed
> > like they might be okay, although even tomatoes I now react to
(which is
> > an ingredient).
>
> Can you tolerate kelp? I know that there are some "mineral
supplements"
> which are mostly just kelp, as seaweeds are high in minerals.
>
> Marc
>

 














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spiralwindintrees
Hi Laurel,

That's probably a good idea to start with just a pinch of the kelp to
make sure you are tolerating it. My understanding is that if one is
deficient in minerals that we need, like calcium, magnesium, zinc
etc. then toxic minerals like mercury etc. are used in their place.
Flooding the system with 'good' minerals helps keep the toxic ones
from harming us. In your situation I don't know what is happening
that even supportive minerals make EMF worse for you. Are you able to
move (or work) somewhere with minimal EMF to see if then you can
begin tolerating the supportive minerals?

Kathy

--- In [hidden email], laurel canyon <laurelarc@...> wrote:
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> Hi Kathy,
>  
> Thanks for the suggestions. I am taking some kelp powder(just not
sure how much to take). I have a liquid magnesium chloride, but the
problem is any minerals I take seems to draw the electricity into my
body worse than ever. I sting and burn MUCH worse when around EMF. I
am stumped as what to do. However, kelp has not done that to me. I
take less than a tsp per day.. actually only a pinch so far per day.

>  
> Laurel
>  
>
>
> --- On Tue, 23/12/08, spiralwindintrees <aquilawolf@...> wrote:
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> From: spiralwindintrees <aquilawolf@...>
> Subject: [eSens] Re: Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to
DO?
> To: [hidden email]
> Received: Tuesday, 23 December, 2008, 1:28 AM
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> What about whole kelp as a sea vegetable? I just ordered 2 lbs.
online
> so I can get trace minerals and iodine. I much prefer real food to
> pills or even powders. The type of kelp I ordered is thin enough I
cut
> it into little pieces with a scissors and add to salads or on top
of
> boiled eggs or add to brown rice or oatmeal. You can get 2oz.
packages
> at the natural food store.
>
> There is also Mega-Mag, an ionic liquid formula that while mostly
> magnesium also has trace minerals. Even just a few drops if
tolerable
> would give some magnesium (about 25mg to 5 drops). You can get it
in
> the natural food stores. Don't pumpkin seeds have lots of calcium
and
> magnesium? Also omega 3 oils. I soak mine overnite in salted water
to
> make them easier to digest.
>
> Kathy
>
> --- In eSens@yahoogroups. com, "Marc Martin" <marc@> wrote:
> >
> > > I recently bought a whole food supplement in which the
ingredients

> seemed
> > > like they might be okay, although even tomatoes I now react to
> (which is
> > > an ingredient).
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> > Can you tolerate kelp? I know that there are some "mineral
> supplements"
> > which are mostly just kelp, as seaweeds are high in minerals.
> >
> > Marc
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Steph Smith
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Oh Laurel
 
I wish I had read this post of yours before my I posted my own about a couple of minutes ago. I cannot offer any technical advice [if only!!] and all I can do is sympathise with you and your situation and tell you that I am somewhat in the same boat. I don't have the stinging problem with minerals but I have noticed a gradual but marked deterioration in my own health this year and I am convinced in my gut that it's due to possibly a build up of toxins - like I am just a big toxic sump - and an inability to absorb minerals properly. I also have a friend who is getting blisters on the inside of his mouth and tongue when he drinks bottled water, who has just spent a lotof moeny and time installing a special water filter only to have the same response to that water and I have a feeling that he is being affected by EMFs but doesn't realise it and I haven't the heart to broach it with him what with the fact that electrosensitivity is the illness that dare not
speak its name. I hope that things pick up for you Laurel I really do.
 
Best wishes
 
Steph

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Date: Monday, 22 December, 2008, 7:36 PM






I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to draw theEMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10 drops. All I can do is one drop and still, I can feel increased stinging and burning.
 
This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
 
I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this before. I also seem to be unableto tolerate being in a house with aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace, but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly.. which was the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house. Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to m.. I have
no idea.
 
I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food, chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor one day over thephone who told me she had quite a few clients who had the same issues, whowere incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF, chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
 
The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the center of my tongue in whichI was told was indicative of poor assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more than my body could tolerate.
 
Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation, especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as well as kill many pathogens).
 
Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has becomea nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in. It has beenmuch too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
 
My, how life can suddenly change.
 
 
Laurel

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evie15422
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Hi again, Laurel,
 
I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure you know this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a friend who can relate, I am here.) 
 
This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't, I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also key here--thereare things that help this or make it worse).  I might add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or have been, that does notnecessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I recently wrote that I was not online for 2 months due to illness, but that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tellyou this, because it is possible that most of us who have particular ES problems, have those problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physicalconditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with me....
 
There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might not fit a profile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile for ES people with this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d. can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a particular peptide in my body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and complicated.  However, giving you the synopticuncomplicated version, missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I mean celiacs, not necessarily ES people), to one degree or another, can keep sending out immune components which end up attacking us
or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal.  Some celiacs have some of this natural peptide left and some, like me, have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune system has no shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey, stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
 
These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in every little corner for something amiss, something to attack.  So they endup attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition called mastocytosis,where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of view, there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence, which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be treated by the new celiac pill which iswhy I might go for the tests when I see the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
 
So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying problem,like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut off.  Now thatsaid, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily the same one I have. 
 
I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to IV iron when I was severely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was iron as a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron supply, but enough to get by on.  Basically, docs decided to give me blood transfusions every 3 months until I was dxed for celiac disease.  That dx addressed all my myriad nutrient deficiencies.)
 
I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were in a high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me.  On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back of emfs, outside, only inparticular places which were exposed to emfs (I could see a cell tower in the distance, a mile or so away).  The other parts of the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators, ceiling fans, satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds, pesticides, particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance, pertaining foods.  I was previously extremely food intolerant--could eat only 5 foods then.  I went on a supplement program addressing that (quercitin and Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8 months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back.  Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing, chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video place put off pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their doors, necessitating leaving as fast as I could.  I now react to most towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels now which I do not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to find for my hubby--mostwork socks now have antimicrobials.  And the list goes on.
 
I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT" to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted but I know that certainpublic service segments are pushing recognition for this term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel fumes (did you all know there arefilters for this which govt doesn't mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide, personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed, tho, it did give me some hope.
 
I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
 
Diane

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I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to draw the EMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10 drops. All I can do is one drop andstill, I can feel increased stinging and burning.
 
This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
 
I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this before. I also seem to be unableto tolerate being in a house with aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace, but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly..which was the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house. Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to m.. I have
no idea.
 
I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food, chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor one day over thephone who told me she had quite a few clients who had the same issues, whowere incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF, chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
 
The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the center of my tongue in whichI was told was indicative of poor assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more than my body could tolerate.
 
Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation, especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as well as kill many pathogens).
 
Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has becomea nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in. It has beenmuch too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
 
My, how life can suddenly change.
 
 
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Hi Diane,
 
Thank you for your response.
 
WOW! Perhaps you have an incredible intution. I also have celiac sprue and MCS and I too, will complicate what may seem simple to others..lol.
 
I know ES is an outgrowth of MCS. I should mention that I have a theory, ormoreover, a belief and that is MOST everything is a symptom and not adisease. One complicates the next and the proverbial onion can be peeled back further and further.
 
In the book, "Vibrational Medicine", it is mentioned that scientists now believe that all disease has its origin in an allergy. I would say that is one of the deeper onion layers that could be traced, given the practitioner who is capable of doing so. I could at one time and that is the problem for me, EHSwise. About a year ago I could no longer treat my MCS, allergies, etc type of reactions. I used to be able to successfully treat just about each and every reaction so that I would not react ever again to that particular treated item. Little did I know I would lose that ability to treat them ever again. The method is similar to NAET and if there is anyone who can O-ring muscle check, I will teach you personally how to do the technique, but you must be able to O-ring muscle check and be able to do it accurately. Itis not easy for just anyone to catch onto. It would take some time to teach the method once someone can O check, but they would have to be
able to already do this. I could tell one how to maybe begin to O check, and then they either get it or do not. All(lol) I would ask in return is forthat person to treat me when I am having a reaction.
 
I had heard that they were coming out with a pill for celiac years ago. I have not kept up with the celiac info at all for past 5 years or so. I was living a decent life with a nice home and I was able to control my environment. Now, I have lost everything and live like a refugee and I am in a housewhere there is so much gluten and other triggers. Yes, life is hell right now and has been for the past year. I am at a loss about what to do. Some say the stress will kill me, but I find most people give out opinions so easily without any ability to put themselves into another persons shoes, or even try.. and even then if they tried, I don't think they could ever relate to this nightmare. I guess that is why I am on several groups, even though being on this computer may be creating a worsening of symptoms.
 
It is humiliating to even have these emotions and more so to express them to strangers. My memory is not so good at times, so maybe I am repeating myself.
 
You mentioned peptides that may be missing in celiacs. What is the name of that peptide?
 
You mentioned that you reacted when entering certain stores. You are fortunate you react so quickly. I find some reactions I have take a bit to notice, while at other times, it is immediate.
 
I don't remember what TILT is. What is that?
 
As far as carbon monoxide goes. Something else happened last year in December, besides perhaps getting an electric shock from the furnace. I had someone come to check the furnace out because there was a gas leak.. it was not a "big" gas leak, but if it was there since I had bought the house, then I was breathing it for 5 yrs. I always noticed I felt better when the windowswere opened. Even in the winter, the last year I was there, I noticed I had to have the damper opened to the fireplace for fresh air flow or I would feel much sicker.
 
 
Laurel
 
 


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Hi again, Laurel,
 
I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure you know this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a friend who can relate, I am here.) 
 
This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't, I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also key here--there are things that help this or make it worse).  I might add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or have been, that does not necessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I recently wrote thatI was not online for 2 months due to illness, but that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tell you this, because it is possible that most of uswho have particular ES problems, have those problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physical conditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with me....
 
There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might not fit aprofile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile for ES peoplewith this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d. can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a particular peptide inmy body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and complicated.  However, giving you the synoptic uncomplicated version, missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I mean celiacs, not necessarily ESpeople), to one degree or another, can keep sending out immune components which end up attacking us
or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal.  Some celiacs have some of this natural peptide  left and some,like me, have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune systemhas no shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey, stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
 
These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in every little corner for something amiss, something to attack. So they end up attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition called mastocytosis, where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of view,there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence, which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be treated bythe new celiac pill which is why I might go for the tests when Isee the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
 
So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying problem, like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut off.  Now that said, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily the same one Ihave. 
 
I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to IV iron when I wasseverely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was iron as a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron supply, but enough toget by on.  Basically, docs  decided to give me blood transfusions every 3 months until I was dxed for celiac disease.  Thatdx addressed all my myriad nutrient deficiencies. )
 
I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were in a high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me.  On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back of emfs, outside, only in particular places which were exposed to emfs (I could see acell tower in the distance, a mile or so away).  The other partsof the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators,  ceiling fans, satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds, pesticides, particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance,  pertaining foods.  I was previously extremely food intolerant-- could eat only 5 foods then.  I went on a supplement program addressing that (quercitin and Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8 months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back.  Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing,chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video place put off pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their doors, necessitating  leaving as fast as I could.  I now react to most towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels now which Ido not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to find for myhubby--most work socks now have antimicrobials.  And the list goes on.
 
I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT" to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted but I know that certain public service segments are pushing recognition for this term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel fumes (did you all know there are filters for this which govt doesn't mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide, personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed, tho, it did give me some hope.
 
I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
 
Diane

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From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
Subject: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:36 PM

I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to draw theEMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10 drops. All I can do is one drop and still, I can feel increased stinging and burning.
 
This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
 
I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this before. I also seem to be unableto tolerate being in a house with aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace, but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly.. which was the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house. Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to m.. I have
no idea.
 
I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food, chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor one day over thephone who told me she had quite a few clients who had the same issues, whowere incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF, chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
 
The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the center of my tongue in whichI was told was indicative of poor assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more than my body could tolerate.
 
Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation, especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as well as kill many pathogens).
 
Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has becomea nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in. It has beenmuch too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
 
My, how life can suddenly change.
 
 
Laurel

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laurel canyon
One other thing..
 
have you heard of MMS or have tried it? I belong to an egroup about MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement).
 
Here is something I came across tonight by happenstance..
 
"MMS and COPD - Testimonial No. 10"..
 
http://www.healthsalon.org/343/mms-and-copd-testimonial-no-10-2/
 
------------
 
MMS is suppose to also rid the body of heavy metals which I had wondered ifit would help the EHS. It is a pathogen killer which seems to have helped many, but not all.
 
 
Laurel
 


--- On Sun, 28/12/08, Evie <[hidden email]> wrote:


From: Evie <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
To: [hidden email]
Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 1:31 PM






Hi again, Laurel,
 
I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure you know this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a friend who can relate, I am here.) 
 
This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't, I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also key here--there are things that help this or make it worse).  I might add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or have been, that does not necessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I recently wrote thatI was not online for 2 months due to illness, but that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tell you this, because it is possible that most of uswho have particular ES problems, have those problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physical conditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with me....
 
There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might not fit aprofile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile for ES peoplewith this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d. can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a particular peptide inmy body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and complicated.  However, giving you the synoptic uncomplicated version, missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I mean celiacs, not necessarily ESpeople), to one degree or another, can keep sending out immune components which end up attacking us
or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal.  Some celiacs have some of this natural peptide  left and some,like me, have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune systemhas no shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey, stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
 
These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in every little corner for something amiss, something to attack. So they end up attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition called mastocytosis, where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of view,there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence, which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be treated bythe new celiac pill which is why I might go for the tests when Isee the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
 
So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying problem, like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut off.  Now that said, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily the same one Ihave. 
 
I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to IV iron when I wasseverely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was iron as a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron supply, but enough toget by on.  Basically, docs  decided to give me blood transfusions every 3 months until I was dxed for celiac disease.  Thatdx addressed all my myriad nutrient deficiencies. )
 
I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were in a high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me.  On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back of emfs, outside, only in particular places which were exposed to emfs (I could see acell tower in the distance, a mile or so away).  The other partsof the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators,  ceiling fans, satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds, pesticides, particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance,  pertaining foods.  I was previously extremely food intolerant-- could eat only 5 foods then.  I went on a supplement program addressing that (quercitin and Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8 months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back.  Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing,chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video place put off pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their doors, necessitating  leaving as fast as I could.  I now react to most towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels now which Ido not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to find for myhubby--most work socks now have antimicrobials.  And the list goes on.
 
I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT" to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted but I know that certain public service segments are pushing recognition for this term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel fumes (did you all know there are filters for this which govt doesn't mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide, personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed, tho, it did give me some hope.
 
I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
 
Diane

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From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
Subject: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:36 PM

I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to draw theEMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10 drops. All I can do is one drop and still, I can feel increased stinging and burning.
 
This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
 
I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this before. I also seem to be unableto tolerate being in a house with aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace, but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly.. which was the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house. Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to m.. I have
no idea.
 
I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food, chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor one day over thephone who told me she had quite a few clients who had the same issues, whowere incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF, chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
 
The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the center of my tongue in whichI was told was indicative of poor assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more than my body could tolerate.
 
Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation, especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as well as kill many pathogens).
 
Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has becomea nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in. It has beenmuch too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
 
My, how life can suddenly change.
 
 
Laurel

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> have you heard of MMS or have tried it? I belong to an egroup about
> MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement).

I have not tried MMS, but I did check the ingredients:

"Miracle Mineral Solution is a 28% solution of sodium chlorite
in distilled water"

This does not sound like it would safely remove metals from your
body. But I'd love to be proved wrong about this... :-)

I have personally tried many products that claimed to remove
heavy metals from your body. Most of them are not tolerable
to me, and I don't consider them safe at all. I don't know
if MMS falls into this category or not.

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Hi again, Laurel,
 
I tried a product of the same name years ago.  Actually, I seriously burned my skin and still have scars on my neck from using the product as a bath soak (as was one of the ways I was told to use it).  A friend of mine was selling this at the time in her herbal store.  But I thought thatproduct was a magnesium/coconut extract product, and looking this product up, it says it is sodium chlorite, so I am not sure whether this was the product I used or not.  I didn't use the product long as I had the serious burns the first time I tried it in the bath and I was not too keen on using it further!  The product I used did the same things listed in the ads for MMS.
 
http://mmsmiracle.com/about/

The product I used came with a video and the video made outrageous claims.  I only used it to appease my friend who thought it was a "miracle fromGod".  She stopped selling it after my burn incident.  ;) 
 
Don't know if it is the same, but be careful using it if you try it.
 
My 2 cents,
Diane
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From: laurel canyon <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 12:56 AM






One other thing..
 
have you heard of MMS or have tried it? I belong to an egroup about MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement).
 
Here is something I came across tonight by happenstance. .
 
"MMS and COPD - Testimonial No. 10"..
 
http://www.healthsa lon.org/343/ mms-and-copd- testimonial- no-10-2/
 
------------
 
MMS is suppose to also rid the body of heavy metals which I had wondered ifit would help the EHS. It is a pathogen killer which seems to have helped many, but not all.
 
 
Laurel
 

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 1:31 PM

Hi again, Laurel,
 
I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure you know this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a friend who can relate, I am here.) 
 
This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't, I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also key here--thereare things that help this or make it worse).  I might add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or have been, that does notnecessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I recently wrote that I was not online for 2 months due to illness, but that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tellyou this, because it is possible that most of us who have particular ES problems, have those problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physicalconditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with me....
 
There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might not fit a profile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile for ES people with this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d. can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a particular peptide in my body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and complicated.  However, giving you the synopticuncomplicated version, missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I mean celiacs, not necessarily ES people), to one degree or another, can keep sending out immune components which end up attacking us
or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal.  Some celiacs have some of this natural peptide  left and some, like me, have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune system has no shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey, stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
 
These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in every little corner for something amiss, something to attack.  So they endup attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition called mastocytosis,where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of view, there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence, which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be treated by the new celiac pill which iswhy I might go for the tests when I see the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
 
So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying problem,like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut off.  Now thatsaid, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily the same one I have. 
 
I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to IV iron when I was severely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was iron as a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron supply, but enough to get by on.  Basically, docs  decided to give me blood transfusions every 3 months untilI was dxed for celiac disease.  That dx addressed all my myriad nutrientdeficiencies. )
 
I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were in a high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me.  On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back of emfs, outside, only inparticular places which were exposed to emfs (I could see a cell tower in the distance, a mile or so away).  The other parts of the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators,  ceiling fans, satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds, pesticides, particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance,  pertaining foods.  I was previously extremely food intolerant-- could eat only 5 foods then.  I went ona supplement program addressing that (quercitin and Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8 months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back.  Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing, chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video place putoff pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their doors, necessitating  leaving as fast as I could.  I now react to most towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels now which I do not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to find for my hubby--mostwork socks now have antimicrobials.  And the list goes on.
 
I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT" to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted but I know that certainpublic service segments are pushing recognition for this term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel fumes (did you all know there arefilters for this which govt doesn't mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide, personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed, tho, it did give me some hope.
 
I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
 
Diane

--- On Mon, 12/22/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
Subject: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:36 PM

I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to draw the EMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10 drops. All I can do is one drop andstill, I can feel increased stinging and burning.
 
This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
 
I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this before. I also seem to be unableto tolerate being in a house with aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace, but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly..which was the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house. Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to m.. I have
no idea.
 
I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food, chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor one day over thephone who told me she had quite a few clients who had the same issues, whowere incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF, chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
 
The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the center of my tongue in whichI was told was indicative of poor assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more than my body could tolerate.
 
Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation, especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as well as kill many pathogens).
 
Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has becomea nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in. It has beenmuch too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
 
My, how life can suddenly change.
 
 
Laurel

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Hi again, Laurel,
 
I have been trying to send this email for the last hour and yahoo keeps eating it.  lol  For some reason, it is not allowing me to send the websites about the pill.  So, if you want more info, you will have to search itonline.  The pill is "Larazotide Acetate" and is a synthetic peptide which is a tight junction regulator.  I had a bunch of sites which gave alotof info, but I guess you will have to look them up yourself.  They aren't hard to find, tho, just put in the name in quotations that I wrote here.

Not surprised at all that you have celiac disease.  It makes perfect sense that celiacs and gluten intolerants would come down with MCS and ES! (Which is why I have mentioned that at this forum repeatedly; but not everyone wants to hear it.  lol)  Dr. Alesio Fasano is the doc who is behind the pill.  If you can afford it (and are interested), make your appt now to see Dr. Alesio Fasano (I believe he is still in Baltimore, Md).  I am making my appt too.  The pill is supposed to be approved by June 2009, from what I have read.  It is in Phase 3 trials and has been fast-trackedby the FDA. 
 
Hope 2009 is our Happy New Year!  :) 
Diane

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From: laurel canyon <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:49 PM






Hi Diane,
 
Thank you for your response.
 
WOW! Perhaps you have an incredible intution. I also have celiac sprue and MCS and I too, will complicate what may seem simple to others..lol.
 
I know ES is an outgrowth of MCS. I should mention that I have a theory, ormoreover, a belief and that is MOST everything is a symptom and not a disease. One complicates the next and the proverbial onion can be peeled backfurther and further.
 
In the book, "Vibrational Medicine", it is mentioned that scientists now believe that all disease has its origin in an allergy. I would say that is one of the deeper onion layers that could be traced, given the practitioner who is capable of doing so. I could at one time and that is the problem for me, EHSwise. About a year ago I could no longer treat my MCS, allergies, etc type of reactions. I used to be able to successfully treat just about each and every reaction so that I would not react ever again to that particular treated item. Little did I know I would lose that ability to treat them ever again. The method is similar to NAET and if there is anyone who can O-ring muscle check, I will teach you personally how to do the technique, but you must be able to O-ring muscle check and be able to do it accurately. Itis not easy for just anyone to catch onto. It would take some time to teach the method once someone can O check, but they would have to be
able to already do this. I could tell one how to maybe begin to O check, and then they either get it or do not. All(lol) I would ask in return is for that person to treat me when I am having a reaction.
 
I had heard that they were coming out with a pill for celiac years ago. I have not kept up with the celiac info at all for past 5 years or so. I was living a decent life with a nice home and I was able to control my environment. Now, I have lost everything and live like a refugee and I am in a housewhere there is so much gluten and other triggers. Yes, life is hell right now and has been for the past year. I am at a loss about what to do. Some say the stress will kill me, but I find most people give out opinions so easily without any ability to put themselves into another persons shoes, or even try.. and even then if they tried, I don't think they could ever relate to this nightmare. I guess that is why I am on several groups, even though being on this computer may be creating a worsening of symptoms.
 
It is humiliating to even have these emotions and more so to express them to strangers. My memory is not so good at times, so maybe I am repeating myself.
 
You mentioned peptides that may be missing in celiacs. What is the name of that peptide?
 
You mentioned that you reacted when entering certain stores. You are fortunate you react so quickly. I find some reactions I have take a bit to notice, while at other times, it is immediate.
 
I don't remember what TILT is. What is that?
 
As far as carbon monoxide goes. Something else happened last year in December, besides perhaps getting an electric shock from the furnace. I had someone come to check the furnace out because there was a gas leak.. it was not a "big" gas leak, but if it was there since I had bought the house, then I was breathing it for 5 yrs. I always noticed I felt better when the windowswere opened. Even in the winter, the last year I was there, I noticed I had to have the damper opened to the fireplace for fresh air flow or I would feel much sicker.
 
 
Laurel
 
 

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From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 1:31 PM

Hi again, Laurel,
 
I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure you know this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a friend who can relate, I am here.) 
 
This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't, I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also key here--thereare things that help this or make it worse).  I might add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or have been, that does notnecessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I recently wrote that I was not online for 2 months due to illness, but that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tellyou this, because it is possible that most of us who have particular ES problems, have those problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physicalconditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with me....
 
There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might not fit a profile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile for ES people with this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d. can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a particular peptide in my body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and complicated.  However, giving you the synopticuncomplicated version, missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I mean celiacs, not necessarily ES people), to one degree or another, can keep sending out immune components which end up attacking us
or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal.  Some celiacs have some of this natural peptide  left and some, like me, have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune system has no shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey, stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
 
These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in every little corner for something amiss, something to attack.  So they endup attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition called mastocytosis,where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of view, there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence, which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be treated by the new celiac pill which iswhy I might go for the tests when I see the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
 
So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying problem,like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut off.  Now thatsaid, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily the same one I have. 
 
I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to IV iron when I was severely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was iron as a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron supply, but enough to get by on.  Basically, docs  decided to give me blood transfusions every 3 months untilI was dxed for celiac disease.  That dx addressed all my myriad nutrientdeficiencies. )
 
I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were in a high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me.  On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back of emfs, outside, only inparticular places which were exposed to emfs (I could see a cell tower in the distance, a mile or so away).  The other parts of the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators,  ceiling fans, satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds, pesticides, particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance,  pertaining foods.  I was previously extremely food intolerant-- could eat only 5 foods then.  I went ona supplement program addressing that (quercitin and Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8 months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back.  Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing, chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video place putoff pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their doors, necessitating  leaving as fast as I could.  I now react to most towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels now which I do not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to find for my hubby--mostwork socks now have antimicrobials.  And the list goes on.
 
I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT" to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted but I know that certainpublic service segments are pushing recognition for this term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel fumes (did you all know there arefilters for this which govt doesn't mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide, personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed, tho, it did give me some hope.
 
I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
 
Diane

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From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
Subject: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:36 PM

I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to draw the EMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10 drops. All I can do is one drop andstill, I can feel increased stinging and burning.
 
This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
 
I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this before. I also seem to be unableto tolerate being in a house with aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace, but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly..which was the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house. Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to m.. I have
no idea.
 
I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food, chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor one day over thephone who told me she had quite a few clients who had the same issues, whowere incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF, chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
 
The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the center of my tongue in whichI was told was indicative of poor assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more than my body could tolerate.
 
Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation, especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as well as kill many pathogens).
 
Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has becomea nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in. It has beenmuch too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
 
My, how life can suddenly change.
 
 
Laurel

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> I tried a product of the same name years ago.  Actually, I seriously
> burned my skin and still have scars on my neck from using the product as
> a bath soak (as was one of the ways I was told to use it).  A friend of
> mine was selling this at the time in her herbal store.

You might have used "Miracle II soap" or "Miracle II neutralizer". Both
this and MMS make claims like it will cure cancer, AIDS, etc. I've
tried the Miracle II products, and found that they make a good bubble
bath and are good for washing the dog... :-)

These products are supposed to work because they add oxygen to your
body, which is supposed to oxidize toxins. What they don't say is
that they also increase the amount of oxygen free radicals
in your body, which make them bad (as far as I'm concerned).  

The best oxygen-supplying supplement I've found for myself is CELLFOOD,
and even with this, one has to be *very* careful not to take too much...

Marc
 

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Hi, Laurel,
 
Having problems STILL responding to this email!  lol  I realized that the bottom of my email was cut off, so I have been trying to rewrite to answer you but it has been H---!  lol  Geesh
 
I am going to make this simple and not respond except to your question about TILT.
Tilt means "toxin induced loss of tolerance".  lol  I totally refuse togo further today. 
 
Hope you have a wonderful ES and MCS free week;  I might not be on for a few days but will get back with you when I can.
 
Diane
 


--- On Mon, 12/29/08, laurel canyon <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: laurel canyon <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Monday, December 29, 2008, 6:49 PM






Hi Diane,
 
Thank you for your response.
 
WOW! Perhaps you have an incredible intution. I also have celiac sprue and MCS and I too, will complicate what may seem simple to others..lol.
 
I know ES is an outgrowth of MCS. I should mention that I have a theory, ormoreover, a belief and that is MOST everything is a symptom and not a disease. One complicates the next and the proverbial onion can be peeled backfurther and further.
 
In the book, "Vibrational Medicine", it is mentioned that scientists now believe that all disease has its origin in an allergy. I would say that is one of the deeper onion layers that could be traced, given the practitioner who is capable of doing so. I could at one time and that is the problem for me, EHSwise. About a year ago I could no longer treat my MCS, allergies, etc type of reactions. I used to be able to successfully treat just about each and every reaction so that I would not react ever again to that particular treated item. Little did I know I would lose that ability to treat them ever again. The method is similar to NAET and if there is anyone who can O-ring muscle check, I will teach you personally how to do the technique, but you must be able to O-ring muscle check and be able to do it accurately. Itis not easy for just anyone to catch onto. It would take some time to teach the method once someone can O check, but they would have to be
able to already do this. I could tell one how to maybe begin to O check, and then they either get it or do not. All(lol) I would ask in return is for that person to treat me when I am having a reaction.
 
I had heard that they were coming out with a pill for celiac years ago. I have not kept up with the celiac info at all for past 5 years or so. I was living a decent life with a nice home and I was able to control my environment. Now, I have lost everything and live like a refugee and I am in a housewhere there is so much gluten and other triggers. Yes, life is hell right now and has been for the past year. I am at a loss about what to do. Some say the stress will kill me, but I find most people give out opinions so easily without any ability to put themselves into another persons shoes, or even try.. and even then if they tried, I don't think they could ever relate to this nightmare. I guess that is why I am on several groups, even though being on this computer may be creating a worsening of symptoms.
 
It is humiliating to even have these emotions and more so to express them to strangers. My memory is not so good at times, so maybe I am repeating myself.
 
You mentioned peptides that may be missing in celiacs. What is the name of that peptide?
 
You mentioned that you reacted when entering certain stores. You are fortunate you react so quickly. I find some reactions I have take a bit to notice, while at other times, it is immediate.
 
I don't remember what TILT is. What is that?
 
As far as carbon monoxide goes. Something else happened last year in December, besides perhaps getting an electric shock from the furnace. I had someone come to check the furnace out because there was a gas leak.. it was not a "big" gas leak, but if it was there since I had bought the house, then I was breathing it for 5 yrs. I always noticed I felt better when the windowswere opened. Even in the winter, the last year I was there, I noticed I had to have the damper opened to the fireplace for fresh air flow or I would feel much sicker.
 
 
Laurel
 
 

--- On Sun, 28/12/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 1:31 PM

Hi again, Laurel,
 
I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure you know this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a friend who can relate, I am here.) 
 
This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't, I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also key here--thereare things that help this or make it worse).  I might add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or have been, that does notnecessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I recently wrote that I was not online for 2 months due to illness, but that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tellyou this, because it is possible that most of us who have particular ES problems, have those problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physicalconditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with me....
 
There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might not fit a profile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile for ES people with this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d. can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a particular peptide in my body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and complicated.  However, giving you the synopticuncomplicated version, missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I mean celiacs, not necessarily ES people), to one degree or another, can keep sending out immune components which end up attacking us
or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal.  Some celiacs have some of this natural peptide  left and some, like me, have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune system has no shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey, stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
 
These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in every little corner for something amiss, something to attack.  So they endup attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition called mastocytosis,where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of view, there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence, which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be treated by the new celiac pill which iswhy I might go for the tests when I see the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
 
So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying problem,like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut off.  Now thatsaid, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily the same one I have. 
 
I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to IV iron when I was severely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was iron as a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron supply, but enough to get by on.  Basically, docs  decided to give me blood transfusions every 3 months untilI was dxed for celiac disease.  That dx addressed all my myriad nutrientdeficiencies. )
 
I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were in a high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me.  On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back of emfs, outside, only inparticular places which were exposed to emfs (I could see a cell tower in the distance, a mile or so away).  The other parts of the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators,  ceiling fans, satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds, pesticides, particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance,  pertaining foods.  I was previously extremely food intolerant-- could eat only 5 foods then.  I went ona supplement program addressing that (quercitin and Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8 months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back.  Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing, chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video place putoff pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their doors, necessitating  leaving as fast as I could.  I now react to most towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels now which I do not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to find for my hubby--mostwork socks now have antimicrobials.  And the list goes on.
 
I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT" to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted but I know that certainpublic service segments are pushing recognition for this term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel fumes (did you all know there arefilters for this which govt doesn't mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide, personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed, tho, it did give me some hope.
 
I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
 
Diane

--- On Mon, 12/22/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:

From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
Subject: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:36 PM

I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to draw the EMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10 drops. All I can do is one drop andstill, I can feel increased stinging and burning.
 
This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
 
I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this before. I also seem to be unableto tolerate being in a house with aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace, but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly..which was the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house. Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to m.. I have
no idea.
 
I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food, chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor one day over thephone who told me she had quite a few clients who had the same issues, whowere incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF, chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
 
The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the center of my tongue in whichI was told was indicative of poor assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more than my body could tolerate.
 
Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation, especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as well as kill many pathogens).
 
Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has becomea nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in. It has beenmuch too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
 
My, how life can suddenly change.
 
 
Laurel

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Thanks Marc,
 
Yes, I think you are correct--the Miracle II Neutralizer or Soap is the product I likely used.  What do you think of the MMS product?  Wortha try or no?  I am not thinking of trying it at this time, but I can seewhere sodium chlorite might work for some people.  Hard to say what sodium chlorite might address--would be akin to apple cider vinegar.  Might be useful as a catalyst in the body.  I'd need to do more research, but just thought you might already have an idea about this.
 
Diane

--- On Tue, 12/30/08, Marc Martin <[hidden email]> wrote:

From: Marc Martin <[hidden email]>
Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
To: [hidden email]
Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 12:56 PM






> I tried a product of the same name years ago.  Actually, I seriously
> burned my skin and still have scars on my neck from using the product as
> a bath soak (as was one of the ways I was told to use it).  A friend of
> mine was selling this at the time in her herbal store.

You might have used "Miracle II soap" or "Miracle II neutralizer" . Both
this and MMS make claims like it will cure cancer, AIDS, etc. I've
tried the Miracle II products, and found that they make a good bubble
bath and are good for washing the dog... :-)

These products are supposed to work because they add oxygen to your
body, which is supposed to oxidize toxins. What they don't say is
that they also increase the amount of oxygen free radicals
in your body, which make them bad (as far as I'm concerned).

The best oxygen-supplying supplement I've found for myself is CELLFOOD,
and even with this, one has to be *very* careful not to take too much...

Marc

 














     

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Andrew McAfee
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I would not use MMS in your bath! If you want to burn something
specific off your skin that is one thing but not your whole body.
I have had mixed results using MMS. I can't get beyond 10 drops a day.
If I do I feel like total shit. I guess my bacteria/viral/toxin load is
too high still.
I have taken a break from it. I'll probably go back and try very low
dosages (3-6 drops a day) for a couple of weeks. And see if I get any
better at handling it.
I'd like to know if anyone has successfully taken 15 drops a couple of
times a day yet.
Andrew


On Dec 30, 2008, at 12:37 PM, Evie wrote:

> Hi again, Laurel,
>  
> I tried a product of the same name years ago.  Actually, I seriously
> burned my skin and still have scars on my neck from using the product
> as a bath soak (as was one of the ways I was told to use it).  A
> friend of mine was selling this at the time in her herbal store.  But
> I thought that product was a magnesium/coconut extract product, and
> looking this product up, it says it is sodium chlorite, so I am not
> sure whether this was the product I used or not.  I didn't use the
> product long as I had the serious burns the first time I tried it in
> the bath and I was not too keen on using it further!  The product I
> used did the same things listed in the ads for MMS.
>  
> http://mmsmiracle.com/about/
>
> The product I used came with a video and the video made outrageous
> claims.  I only used it to appease my friend who thought it was a
> "miracle from God".  She stopped selling it after my burn incident. 
> ;) 
>  
> Don't know if it is the same, but be careful using it if you try it.
>  
> My 2 cents,
> Diane
> --- On Tue, 12/30/08, laurel canyon <[hidden email]> wrote:
>
> From: laurel canyon <[hidden email]>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: [hidden email]
> Date: Tuesday, December 30, 2008, 12:56 AM
>
>
>
>
>
>
> One other thing..
>  
> have you heard of MMS or have tried it? I belong to an egroup about
> MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement).
>  
> Here is something I came across tonight by happenstance. .
>  
> "MMS and COPD - Testimonial No. 10"..
>  
> http://www.healthsa lon.org/343/ mms-and-copd- testimonial- no-10-2/
>  
> ------------
>  
> MMS is suppose to also rid the body of heavy metals which I had
> wondered if it would help the EHS. It is a pathogen killer which seems
> to have helped many, but not all.
>  
>  
> Laurel
>  
>
> --- On Sun, 28/12/08, Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: Evie <evie15422@yahoo. com>
> Subject: Re: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Received: Sunday, 28 December, 2008, 1:31 PM
>
> Hi again, Laurel,
>  
> I am not sure I have time to address all that I could here.  I have
> had the same experiences as you write of.  (And the same life
> altering effects.  HUGS, I know where you are and I am sure you know
> this, too--not many understand where we are.  Whenever you need a
> friend who can relate, I am here.) 
>  
> This is a deep and complicated subject.  (And any subject that isn't,
> I can somehow make deep and complicated.  lol)  I, too, have the
> stinging and burning (sometimes more than other times, which is also
> key here--there are things that help this or make it worse).  I might
> add that I am a walking medical nightmare and when I say I am ill or
> have been, that does not necessarily mean I am ill from ES.  I
> recently wrote that I was not online for 2 months due to illness, but
> that was not mostly due to ES.  I also have MCS, diabetes, celiac
> disease, COPD, and the list goes on.  I tell you this, because it is
> possible that most of us who have particular ES problems, have those
> problems not totally because of ES (not that these problems have
> nothing to do with ES), but because of our underlying physical
> conditions.  Now you are really confused, aren't you!  ;)  Bare with
> me....
>  
> There are people who tend to particular immune responses, for
> instance.  You and I seem to be similar in our reactions.  We might
> not fit a profile for every ES person, but we fit a particular profile
> for ES people with this immune response.  Due to having celiac disease
> (which you probably should also rule out for yourself, since celiac d.
> can lead to these particular immune responses), I know I am missing a
> particular peptide in my body.  The new celiac pill which is in trials
> right now addresses this.  It is a synthetic peptide.  This is long
> and complicated and if I were to address this totally here right now
> in detail, I'd probably get it amiss, because it is so long and
> complicated.  However, giving you the synoptic uncomplicated version,
> missing this peptide means, ultimately, that our immune systems (I
> mean celiacs, not necessarily ES people), to one degree or
> another, can keep sending out immune components which end up attacking
> us
> or trivial substances coming into contact with our bodies.  I say one
> degree or another, because not all celiacs are created equal.  Some
> celiacs have some of this natural peptide  left and some, like me,
> have none.  So, this in essence, means my immune system has no
> shut-off.  There are no feedback loops which say to my body, "hey,
> stop sending out cytokines, we have enough, thankyou!" 
>  
> These immune response cells then, in over abundance, are looking in
> every little corner for something amiss, something to attack.  So they
> end up attacking things which they feel are foreign, but are not
> necessarily foreign to us.  This sometimes leads to the condition
> called mastocytosis, where our bodies make too many mast cells.  (It
> has been suspected for a number of years that I might have this, but I
> have resisted going there because, basically, from a medical point of
> view, there is no cure for this and it is usually a cancer sentence,
> which I am not willing to embrace.  I also suspect that it can be
> treated by the new celiac pill which is why I might go for the tests
> when I see the doc to prescribe me the pill.) 
>  
> So.....  I am saying here that you probably have some underlying
> problem, like me, which is not allowing your immune system to shut
> off.  Now that said, I am NOT saying you have the same underlying
> problem I have, only that you might have it.  I am sure there are
> various problems which can lead to similar immune dysfunction.  I only
> have one of these.  You MIGHT have one of these, but not necessarily
> the same one I have. 
>  
> I, too, have mineral problems, but not with all minerals.  For
> instance, iron bothers me.  I react even to iron deposits in the
> ground (tho I suspect this is because of greater concentration
> of magnetic frequencies there).  I had life threatening anaphylaxis to
> IV iron when I was severely anemic.  And I couldn't take regular iron
> supplements at all.  The only supplementation I could take was iron as
> a component in Buffalo Liver supplements.  (Not an effective iron
> supply, but enough to get by on.  Basically, docs  decided to give me
> blood transfusions every 3 months until I was dxed for celiac
> disease.  That dx addressed all my myriad nutrient deficiencies. )
>  
> I do get burning and stinging next to aluminum siding, but only when
> aluminum siding is exposed to emfs.  I don't react to using aluminum
> foil, for instance.  Tho I suspose I could react to it if I were in a
> high emf atmosphere, because I can get bounce-back from alum foil
> which I use to shield on my car visor, if a cell tower is behind me. 
> On one aluminum sided house we wanted to buy, I reacted to bounce-back
> of emfs, outside, only in particular places which were exposed to emfs
> (I could see a cell tower in the distance, a mile or so away).  The
> other parts of the house were shielded from emfs by large pine trees
> and I did not react there.  But I cannot say whether or not I would
> have been ok in this house, ultimately.  One building biologist
> thought it could be grounded but I ended up not going there.  When
> looking at houses for us, I reacted to refrigerators,  ceiling fans,
> satellite dishes, particular appliances and computer hook-ups,
> one house had scads of unused wiring all over the basement, and I
> found that intolerable (???)....  I also reacted to molds, pesticides,
> particular plants, and on and on.   I have intolerance to glutens and
> asparagus, and have slight lactose intolerance,  pertaining foods.  I
> was previously extremely food intolerant-- could eat only 5 foods
> then.  I went on a supplement program addressing that (quercitin and
> Bs, molybdenum, and various other supplements that address liver detox
> pathway function) and overgrowth of bad gut flora.  After about 6-8
> months on these programs I was able to reintroduce most foods back. 
> Then there are the "modern day" reactors I react to--out-gassing,
> chemicals of all sorts, diesel and petroleum fumes, all the new
> antifungals and antibacterials which are added increasingly to
> everything, etc....  I never know from shopping trip to shopping trip
> what might be out there that I will react to.  Penney's store recently
> added something of an electronic nature to their catalog department
> which made it intolerable for me to enter.  BonTon and the local video
> place put off pesticides and I had anaphylaxis within feet of their
> doors, necessitating  leaving as fast as I could.  I now react to most
> towels in department stores, making it difficult for me to find towels
> now which I do not react to (no idea why).  Socks are getting hard to
> find for my hubby--most work socks now have antimicrobials.  And the
> list goes on.
>  
> I have recently heard that some MCSers who are ES might have been
> poisoned by carbon monoxide unknowingly.  You might research that.  I
> believe they called the condition "MUSES".  I think I mentioned "TILT"
> to you earlier.  Dr. Rae indicated that I had this (without calling it
> that at the time).  The TILT term is recently adopted but I know that
> certain public service segments are pushing recognition for this
> term because they feel this might get people as a whole behind
> addressing particular toxins, such as public transportation diesel
> fumes (did you all know there are filters for this which govt doesn't
> mandate using???)  I am banking my problems on the peptide,
> personally.  Of course, we will know when the pill comes out whether
> that works for me or not.  When I read about what the pill addressed,
> tho, it did give me some hope.
>  
> I hope this helps some in understanding what you might be facing and
> validates to some degree what you have been experiencing. 
>  
> Diane
>
> --- On Mon, 12/22/08, laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com> wrote:
>
> From: laurel canyon <laurelarc@yahoo. com>
> Subject: [eSens] Cannot tolerate minerals of any kind? What to DO?
> To: eSens@yahoogroups. com
> Date: Monday, December 22, 2008, 2:36 PM
>
> I have been unable to tolerate minerals of any kind since the EMF
> sensitivity began about one year ago. If I take a mineral, it seems to
> draw the EMF right into my body. I burn and sting terribly.. and
> depending upon where I am, it can be quite torturous. I recently
> bought a magnesium chloride liquid. The directions call for approx. 10
> drops. All I can do is one drop and still, I can feel increased
> stinging and burning.
>  
> This increased stinging and burning, after taking a mineral, also
> happens even from certain people's energies. Someone told me they read
> an article that stated how people's brains and hearts give off more
> EMF than devices(I am not sure about that, but I do know that some
> people's energy/thoughts/ emotions have caused me the same type of
> symptoms at times as that of some electronic devices).
>  
> I feel at a loss because I have become so sensitive.. in a chemical
> sensitive type of manner that I also am not tolerating vitamins and
> foods, etc. However, the issue with minerals is different than a
> chemical sensitivity reaction. I have never had anything like this
> before. I also seem to be unable to tolerate being in a house with
> aluminum siding. I went to look at a small house for sale. At the
> time, there were very little electrical appliances running(no furnace,
> but perhaps a refrigerator) . While I stood and listened to the man
> explain a few things about the house, I stung incredibly.. which was
> the first time a long time since last being in a house with aluminum
> siding. I do have to say, that the reaction to this house and another
> house with aluminum siding varied. I am sure there are many variables
> I am unaware. That particular house was very close to another house.
> Perhaps there was WIFI next door or some other aspect undetectable to
> m.. I have
> no idea.
>  
> I have noticed that if I am reacting to something else(ie food,
> chemical, etc), the stinging also increases. I had spoken to a doctor
> one day over the phone who told me she had quite a few clients who had
> the same issues, who were incredibly sensitive to energy, EMF,
> chemicals, etc. She believed that those people were riddled with holes
> in their auras.. causing them to be more susceptible to EMF. I have a
> friend who has a device that video tapes the aura in real time and
> shows the changes to the aura when exposed to certain items. I do not
> live near him so I am unable to check this out for myself.
>  
> The issue of not being able to tolerate minerals of any kind has me a
> bit baffled as to what to do. I am also not absorbing nutrients from
> my food. I had my tongue read(taught in Chinese medicine) by an
> acupuncturist and an iridologist, which showed a deep crack down the
> center of my tongue in which I was told was indicative of poor
> assimilation and digestion of food. I used to be able to tolerate
> enzymes. All I tolerate for now is papaya which helps with the protein
> digestion. I have watched my health deteriorate this past year due to
> the lack of nutrition. I know the minerals are important. I have even
> tried Clark's colloidal minerals, yet  just one drop was more than my
> body could tolerate.
>  
> Does anyone else have any of these issues?? Perhaps some are
> intolerant of minerals also, but have not noticed the correlation,
> especially if they have been taking the minerals all along. I do
> tolerate flax seed oil, Vit. D3 and CoQ10. I have been trying
> MMS(Miracle Mineral Supplement, but I have not noticed any benefit yet
> from that. MMS is suppose to oxidize heavy metals from the body, as
> well as kill many pathogens).
>  
> Thanks for "listening". It is distressing to say the least. Life has
> become a nightmare of such proportions that it does not even sink in.
> It has been much too much to assimilate.. loss of home and property
> and no where safe to live nor able to afford.
>  
> My, how life can suddenly change.
>  
>  
> Laurel
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